Thursday, May 17, 2018

It doesn't take two to tango

In which I address Larry Correia's disinvitation to Origins in light of my own banning from ConSimWorld over an argument with a proto-SJW demanding the elimination of black SS counters from wargames about 15 years ago in a Darkstream.

The thing is that nothing has changed, it's only gotten worse, things are only getting worse because nobody is fighting back. I mean even someone like Larry Correia, whom I admire, whom I respect, and who in creating Sad Puppies launched what until recently was the only effective response to the SJWs, now even he just wants to be left alone. And that is the fundamental flaw of the Right; you cannot win a war that you refuse to fight, you cannot win a war by being left alone, and the SJWs have made it very very clear that they will never ever leave us alone.

The woman who complained about Correia to Origins and managed to get him disinvited was bitter at him over a takedown that he had done of her boyfriend back in 2014, four years ago! So these people do not forget and they are going to continue to come after you. They would continue to come after me if they could, you know, if they didn't know that I am always ready for it, I'm always anticipating it, and they also know damn well that I'm going to go after them harder than they come at me every single time, and so they tend to go, "you know what, maybe we'll go after easier targets." I mean it's not like there aren't a plethora of them out there.

And so what what you need to understand is that there is no telling them "that's enough", there is no warning them, the point is that you keep reading these articles, you keep seeing these comments, you know, now they've gone too far, now it's too much, and that's not going to achieve anything. There is a standard boilerplate conservative column that I could probably write in my sleep, I've been reading that same column for 30 years now and I call it the conservative dire warning column. If the Left doesn't watch out, they're not gonna like what happens! Well, guess what? Nothing's gonna happen. You're not going to do anything! You know, and they already know, that you're not going to do anything. They already know that John Ringo is not going to do anything, they already know that Larry's not going to do anything.

I mean, these guys are successful. These guys are successful and it's not worth it to them. I understand that. I'm not unsympathetic. You know the problem is, that is the response of everybody: well, you know, it's not that big a deal. Well, it's not that big a deal to you, but it is a big deal collectively to everyone else that is now affected by it. Now I'm not condemning or criticizing anyone who just wants to wash their hands and walk away from that. I don't go to conventions, it's not my thing. I don't want to be around a bunch of people, so if someone says "hey, you know what, I'm just not gonna go" hey, that makes perfect sense to me.

But here's the problem. Every time you do that, you're conceding space, you're providing moral comfort to the enemy, and you are encouraging them to continue doing it. And eventually they're going to push into spaces where it actually affects you. For example, you know someone like John Ringo doesn't really care about getting disinvited from a convention, right? But he's going to care a whole lot if he ends up getting dumped by Baen for his political views. Now you might say, oh, that's ridiculous, he's very successful, why would they ever do that? Well, because SJWs are not rational people. They don't look at the situation and say "gee this guy is one of our best-selling authors, we shouldn't get rid of him", they're just going to look and say this is a bad person and we're going to go after them now.

If Disney was willing to throw away a billion dollars in order to turn Star Wars into an SJW fest, do you really think that a publisher is going to be unwilling to give up some book sales? They are not primarily motivated by money so you cannot anticipate their behavior on the basis of whether it's in their economic self-interest or not.

UPDATE: Neither Bridget Correia nor John C. Wright appear inclined to take this lying down.
The SJWs have already ruined STAR WARS, STAR TREK, DR WHO, Marvel Comics, the Hugo Awards, the News media, the Anglican Church, and the Boy Scouts.

They ruin the fun for everyone.

They nag, they lie, they play holier-than-thou, and at the same time promote moral depravity that makes your stomach turn. These are the same people, allegedly so afraid of Larry Correia, who defended and continue to defend Marion Zimmer Bradley and her homosexual husband running a pedophile ring at conventions.

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Blogger Raging Papist May 17, 2018 5:05 AM  

I've had it with conservatives and libertarians. They are moral cowards. They aren't on our side anymore, if they were there to begin with. What more evidence could they possibly need to desire to fight the Left? How much more personal of an interest do they need? Its depressing to think about how willing they are to accept a watered down/heretical form of Christianity, like the nonsense Jordan Peterson preaches, when they already have the real thing. If people won't form alliances or build infrastructure together to combat SJWs out of vanity and greed, then the only thing we can do is work individually; which continues the problem. It's all very disheartening.

Blogger Anno Ruse May 17, 2018 6:00 AM  

The question is, what is Teddy Bearle willing to give up to keep publishing as a Native American living in Europe? How often does Teddy speak in defense of his own papa? Why does Teddy get so angry when you bring up anything other than his most recent blog post?

Blogger Lovekraft May 17, 2018 6:09 AM  

Although it hasn't been measured, I am certain that in the past ten years with the internet bringing ideas out that were previously controlled by legacy media, there has been a significant shift away from the gatekeeping narrative of the marxists and globalists.

To not get disheartened, one must remember this and not focus on the apparent monolithic power of the leftists. Plod along, observe and chip away. There will come a time when, as Vox says, our work will be justified and embraced.

Blogger Jew613 May 17, 2018 6:10 AM  

Ringo & Larry dont need the conventions, but I'm sure there are other authors who do.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 17, 2018 6:18 AM  

We're not at it yet, but it's coming.

Based-Stick-Man is only a precursor.

A few more incidences of SJW violence, and more will start going out armed. And eventually, it's going to turn into a larger battle rather than a 1-vs-1 in the middle of some large demonstration/counter-demonstration.

And the new "going-out-armed" aren't going to be the extreme rational-circumspect types who get concealed carry papers now. A lot will be the "i'm sick of seeing people get beat up for no reasonable cause" types, some will snap, and lash out physically.

The SJWs, who feel that ANY resistance is illegitimate, will go absolutely BER-freaking-ZERK.

And that's how the Civil War will start.

The first Civil War was preceeded by years of "Bleeding Kansas"

Blogger Nathan Housley May 17, 2018 6:19 AM  

It's Ringo who's looking to scorch some earth right now. Con contracts with penalties and costs (airfare, hotel, etc.) that the con would lose if they disinvite an author. Permanent blacklisting of any con who pulls this stunt. GG-style contacting of vendors and sponsors, and more.

Blogger Brett baker May 17, 2018 6:20 AM  

@Jew613: Arguably you don't. Mad Genius Club has argued the days when you had to go to conventions to meet publishers in order to get your book out are over. Sarah Hoyt had another post about it yesterday.

Anonymous Anonymous May 17, 2018 6:32 AM  

The state's interference in marriage, education, hiring practices, vote buying via the welfare state, and all the rest has brought us this SJW infestation. As Dirk pointed out, this road leads to civil war.

I see no other way, since the left keeps changing the meanings of words to the point that even honest conversations about objective reality becomes impossible.

The only way to stop a blood bath of epic proportions is to break up the union into 50 independent states (as a start) and let each one then expel those who need to go.

There would be states for the SJW to screw up, states for the dindus to screw up, and states for right thinking folks to live and work in. (and to build)

The sooner the better. I really would like to see it start next week.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 17, 2018 6:40 AM  

Larry had no problem going after me when I spoke up in defense of Ivan Throne on his Facebook page. He had all his fanbois there to egg him on.

Oh well. I don't understand the refusal to fight.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 17, 2018 6:43 AM  

For all his attributes, Larry's a squish.

Blogger Anno Ruse May 17, 2018 6:44 AM  

Vox, you stupid motherfucker, can't you get Infogalatic to at least list the same shit as Wikipedia? Motherfucker I have the Chrome addon that redirects me and half the time it sends me to a blank page. What the fuck? I thought you were the wave of the future. Get it together, Pancho.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 17, 2018 6:44 AM  

He really is.

Blogger Man of the Atom May 17, 2018 6:48 AM  

Brett baker wrote:@Jew613: Arguably you don't. Mad Genius Club has argued the days when you had to go to conventions to meet publishers in order to get your book out are over. Sarah Hoyt had another post about it yesterday.

Arguably nothing. This isn't about sales. This is about people with an interest in an author not given the opportunity to attend a panel, talk with a creator, get an autograph or whatnot because of a lie. Because a lie was taken at face value with no credible investigation or consideration of evidence. Five minutes of honest investigation would prove the accuser to be a lying swine of an SJW.

On the whole, "Lie" wins this round over "Truth".

The SJWs will continue to promote the Culture of the Lie and the barbarism that goes with it unless we stand up and fight it where we are able.

Do we stand for the Lie or for the Truth?

Anonymous Anonymous May 17, 2018 6:58 AM  


Great comment. Amen brother.

Anonymous Anonymous May 17, 2018 6:59 AM  

Cultural Marxists/Globalists are engaged in 'Total War'. They will not stop until the last vestige of Western Civilization is wiped from the face of the earth.

If they destroy a company that once provided space for 'Men of the West', no worries. The 'Red Network' will provide them a new position. The ultimate goal of Marxist global domination is all that matters.

There is no crime, no perversion, that they will not use as a weapon in their campaign.

No matter how rational, how reasonable, how fair you try to be; they coming for you. They will destroy your institutions, they destroy you. Even now, they are taking your children and, like Tolkien's Elves tortured into Orcs, transforming them into creatures like themselves.

The polite coexistence of the 1950s is never coming back.

The Alt-Right is inevitable. The Alt-Right will crush the Globalists. The sooner the Alt-Lite recognize this and join us the better it will be. The more damage will be mitigated.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Imperator Trump!


Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 17, 2018 7:15 AM  


I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand, but then I do. Projection is not just for SJW's. It's for libertarians too.

People, just think of the Terminator. It will not stop, will not quit until you and everyone you love are dead. The only way to stop it is to crush those met mother fuckers until they are scrap metal.

Blogger McChuck May 17, 2018 7:18 AM  

Fun fact: The big publishers don't make much money on novels. Most of that money is from romance novels.

They make their money on textbook sales. Textbooks assigned by college professors. Textbooks which are altered slightly every three or four years so they can mandate a new version, reducing used book sales. Their new trick is to have a one-time use code for online content.

SJW college professors drive the majority of the profit margins for the biggest book publishers with incestuous deals. They don't care about us not buying their novels.

Blogger Skyler the Weird May 17, 2018 7:19 AM  

The Peaceful coexistence of the fifties was possible because many of the SJW elites had been to Spain in the thirties and remembered what awaited them if they pulled that crap here.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 17, 2018 7:28 AM  


What has happened before, can happen again. Don't forget St. Augusto in the 1970's.

Blogger Gordon Scott May 17, 2018 7:48 AM  

They don't care about us not buying their novels.

Yeah, they do care. Sure, romance and textbooks are profit centers, but so are plain old books. They have a lot of competition, but I haven't seen Macmillian abandon the field to the interlopers so they can concentrate on Introduction to Macroeconomics XXXV edition.

But as Vox has pointed out, the editors are all 20- and 30-something single women now.

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 17, 2018 8:08 AM  

There are still far too many nominally on the right who want to "reform" legacy marques. This is why beating the build your own platforms drum never stops being important. It's eye-opening how many people still fail to understand the open fact that these organs are agenda and not profit driven. I suppose accepting that their whole prestige hierarchy is a propaganda network is too much cognitive dissonance to swallow.

To reiterate, establishment media isn't profit driven. Traditional measures of economic success (sales) are irrelevant. The struggle is not within one "model" but between two different ones. Building your own platforms is basic grassroots economics. It is a true popular alternative because your success is predicated on your appeal. Establishment media can't be fixed, but it can potentially be marginalized by organic platforms delivering legitimately popular entertainment. But for that to happen the "moderates" need to accept reality.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 17, 2018 8:11 AM  

The problem with not fighting the culture war while you can is that, while it may not affect you as much in your walking away, it metastasizes, cranking up the pressure on everybody.

Blogger JohnK May 17, 2018 8:13 AM  

Guys? The groundwork on the lawsuits is being done. You should probably ask them first before stating "they ain't gonna do nothing"

And it's not just about cons, either.

Granted, there have been announcements on Facebook .... but Facebook hides all the fun stuff.

But honestly, ask. Jon del Arroz isn't the only one with a lawyer.

The SJWs won't stop until we own everything they possess, or they're in jail. I look forward to JDA liquidating World Con

Blogger JohnK May 17, 2018 8:16 AM  

PS: there's already backlash from Michael Z Williamson. You two should talk, you might get along. He also has a "burn it down" attitude, only you may not have his flame thrower.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 17, 2018 8:18 AM  


That's fine, but JDA is not Larry Correia. Larry has said "meh" publicly and retreated to his mountain.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 17, 2018 8:19 AM  

"Projection is not just for SJW's. It's for libertarians too."

Let's be honest, it's for absolutely everyone as an instinctive baseline. The most fundamental tool in the toolkit of understanding others it to try to find their similarities to yourself, even if such similarities do not exist.

Learning to reign it in is simply something that SJWs in particular never do.

Blogger VD May 17, 2018 8:22 AM  

Guys? The groundwork on the lawsuits is being done. You should probably ask them first before stating "they ain't gonna do nothing"

I read Larry's initial response. It was essentially "meh, I don't care". As was Ringo's. Now, perhaps he has changed his mind and is taking action, but that doesn't change the perception of their initial "whatever, bye" responses.

Blogger VD May 17, 2018 8:24 AM  

PS: there's already backlash from Michael Z Williamson. You two should talk, you might get along.

Mike is not a fan of mine, but we get along fine. I'm not surprised he's up for gutting the parties responsible; he is a fighter.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2018 8:41 AM  

> Nothing's gonna happen. You're not going to do anything! You know, and they already know, that you're not going to do anything.

And that's what needs to change. The left says the political is the personal and vice versa.

Do we want this to stop? If so, this "lady" who went after Correia needs to come out some morning and find four letter descriptive words spray painted all over her car, the tires slashed and he windshield broken. She needs pictures of her kids (yeah, assuming a lot, I know) playing in the playground at school emailed to her from an anonymous account. She needs child protective services paying a visit to her house due to "anonymous reports". She needs be find herself being investigated by the DEA for possible marijuana growing on her property. They need to get back what they're giving. When things like this start happening to everyone who pulls this type of thing, it will stop. Not before and not until.

They break the law going after figures on the right every day and nothing ever happens to them. We can't count on the same lax treatment, but the tables need to be turned.

Blogger Grumpy Guy May 17, 2018 9:34 AM  

"You wanna know how to get the SJWs? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. They send one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue."

Blogger pyrrhus May 17, 2018 9:38 AM  

It would certainly be encouraging if John C. Wright showed some inclination to fight, given his past weak civic nationalism proclivities.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 17, 2018 9:40 AM  

Most writers are not fighters, just saying. Thats why they are writers. Manage your expectations, you must.

Blogger Keith Glass May 17, 2018 9:47 AM  

That's the problem of being on the Right. Because of "civility", when you DO try to fight. . . you get to experience the same thing that happens to escaping crabs in a crab-bucket. . .

Blogger Abigail May 17, 2018 9:48 AM  

The thing about conservatives is that they love penning those Dire Warning columns but any time it looks like the chickens are about to come home to roost, the conservatives JOIN THE LIBERALS in trying to negate the dire consequences!

Blogger Dire Badger May 17, 2018 10:14 AM  

Except, of course, that the supreme court unanimously declared that Hate speech IS, in fact, Free speech.

Blogger Isaac Miller May 17, 2018 10:55 AM  

Just finished "SJWs always double down," and in that vein, I love this part so damn much:

"There is a standard boilerplate conservative column that I could probably write in my sleep, I've been reading that same column for 30 years now and I call it the conservative dire warning column. If the Left doesn't watch out, they're not gonna like what happens!"

I've seen like 50 tweets along this line given the left's recent campaign to defend poor beleaguered MS-13 from dehumanization.

Anonymous Anonymous May 17, 2018 11:04 AM  

In somewhat related news, Scott Adams proves himself to be an enemy in the culture war:

"Statues are public decorations, not history. History is in the history books where it belongs. Decorations that offend half of the viewers are not good decorations."

Blogger Durandel May 17, 2018 11:21 AM  

Larry is a Libertarian. Says it all.

Blogger Crew May 17, 2018 11:40 AM  

@VD, when you referred to a generation that is largely 'post literate' did you mean illiterate?

Blogger Jack Amok May 17, 2018 11:50 AM  

Though it isn't a 100% accurate comparison, it's useful to think of SJWs like women. They throw out shit tests as a matter of course, and if you let the get away with it, their behavior will get more and more neurotic until they become completely batshit crazy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 17, 2018 12:22 PM  

Crew wrote:@VD, when you referred to a generation that is largely 'post literate' did you mean illiterate?
Post literate people are well able to read, but don't. They get what information they need from videos on youtube. Reading takes too much thought and concentration.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2018 12:45 PM  

> Bridget posted on my fan page something basically to the effect of **** Origins, Nuke It From Orbit.

Edited to match our hosts desires for less profanity on the site.

How hard would it be to completely shutdown traffic to the convention center where the convention is being held? 20-30 people willing to have their cars towed would probably be able to keep any traffic from getting to the hotels for quite a while. Make that a couple of hundred and I suspect the convention would be in serious trouble.

Blogger James Dixon May 17, 2018 12:59 PM  

In line with the above, protesters willing to simply stand in the roadways blocking the entryways to the convention center until arrested would be equally effective. It's the kind of thing the left loves to pull.

Blogger Lovekraft May 17, 2018 1:05 PM  

@ 4 Dirk Manly:

I'm interested in this 'Bleeding Kansas' you mentioned. What parallels can be drawn to this era, especially in terms of timing (in the sense that the Civil War happened at a stage in which the outcome was predetermined).

Blogger Dirk Manly May 17, 2018 1:21 PM  

John Brown's Raid -> Bleeding Kansas ->
Civil War.

Blogger August May 17, 2018 1:31 PM  

I've been thinking Trump needs Singapore libel laws to go after some of the media. Perhaps we need something similar. We won't be able to stop individuals from complaining, but we could put a major hurt on any corporate body that does this sort of public dis-invite.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 17, 2018 3:56 PM  

""Statues are public decorations, not history. History is in the history books where it belongs. Decorations that offend half of the viewers are not good decorations.""

So, where are you when every gay pride parade goes down, scottie boy?

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Blogger Steve Sky May 17, 2018 4:10 PM  

I just read the latest twist in shadow banning. Twitter Will Start Hiding Tweets That _Detract From the Conversation_. So where it was once an unofficial policy, now it has become apparently official.

QUOTE: The change will affect a very small fraction of users, explained Twitter's vice president of trust and safety, Del Harvey

Any bets on the "small group of affected users"?

Blogger tz May 17, 2018 6:33 PM  

I'm curious how the Wright stuff will play out. His son was ejected from the initially converged Boy Scouts, so he moved to another troop, but now the Boy Scouts have dropped "Boy"...

My soul aches but I expect Wright to not become the viking, crusader, or other knight who will take his sword and behead the enemy.

I'd rather expect another "you have gone to far" blogpost. At least if I expected the devil coming to dinner I would forge a very, very, long spoon.

There is a very large gap between:
"take this lying down"
and rising up and assaulting the enemy position (defense does no good as you have already been overrun by definition).

This is the root of my ethnonationalism v.s. the civic cucked version. I would switch to the latter if I could name EVEN ONE civic nationalist that was high-T.

Blogger Crew May 17, 2018 7:00 PM  

@39: I suspect you will find that a large swathe of certain minority groups are actually illiterate, but they also use youtube.

Blogger wreckage May 18, 2018 4:39 AM  

@49, I'm a civic nationalist and a libertarian by inclination. I just happen to see that you don't get to be either if you're overrun by a group that universally rejects those values, and acknowledge that Vox turns out to be right about 90% of the time.

The thing is, the cucks are selling out both my civic nation and my liberty with near 100% correlation to their selling out of the Posterity, their inherited Nations, and so on. And they are driving us toward a forced and violent re-alignment of State with Nation that should never have been necessary.

I hate them as much as you do. I might hate them more. To you they're infidel, to me, they're apostates. They defecate on my ideals every time they loudly declare their allegiance to them.... at the very moment they work as hard as they can to render them a meaningless and bloodstained relic of an extinct past.

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