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Wednesday, May 09, 2018

Neoconnery 2.0

Ron Unz reacts to The New York Times's announcement of its list of approved Fake Opposition members. He is, to put it mildly, unimpressed.
Ha, ha, ha… Offhand it looks like something from this week’s forthcoming NYT Magazine, which I always prefer to read in hard-copy. But I glanced over it, and found it very, very amusing.

I was at least somewhat familiar with most of the names, and basically all the “Renegade Intellectuals of the Dark Web” described seem like semi-establishment Neocons. It’s a little like portraying Marco Rubio as a populist-insurgent Republican.

The author, Bari Weiss, is some WSJ Neocon who recently moved over to the NYT, and she’s presumably trying to rebrand some of her fellow Neocons as radical-rightists, thus giving them more appeal to the Daily Stormer crowd. Also, that way future conservative debates can include everyone from Neocon A to Neocon Z.

As an example, one of the most prominent figures is some YouTube psychology celebrity named Jordan Peterson, who first came to my attention when David Brooks described him as perhaps the most important intellectual in America or something like that. I guess that makes Brooks a “renegade intellectual” himself.

I think their “darkest” belief is that there might possibly exist *some* biological differences between men and women. Horrors! And although he’s some sort of psych professor, Peterson is so remarkably ignorant of IQ issues that his recent thing is explaining that the reason Jews control Wall Street, Hollywood, and the US government is because of their astonishing brilliance. I recently needed to jump into a very long comment-thread to set some facts straight.

Here’s the way to think about it. Neocon Robert Kagan was a leading foreign policy figure in the George W. Bush Administration. Then when Obama swept in to totally reverse all Bush’s failed policies, a leading figure ended up being Neocon Victoria Nuland…Kagan’s *wife*

Back in the 1990s, I was quite friendly with the Neocons, and worked closely with them. I remember that Christina Hoff Summers was a leading Neocon feminist-critic back then, speaking at their conferences, and writing for their publications, and she seems to have kept that same role in the quarter century since.

But characterizing her as some member of a new “radical right,” locked out of the existing media landscape is just totally ridiculous.

Maybe the next step is to re-brand Heritage and AEI as the central organs of the rising anti-Establishment Right…
The eyes, they roll. Even Jonah Goldberg, a card-carrying member of both NeverTrump and the previous Fake Opposition set, sees that this is nothing more than rehashed neoconnery:
Having read the essay twice, it seems to me this IDW thing isn’t actually an intellectual movement. It’s just a coalition of thinkers and journalists who happen to share a disdain for the keepers of the liberal orthodoxy. Weiss recounts a bunch of conversion tales where once-respected and iconoclastic liberal types run head-on into the groupthink or party line of the liberal establishment. They suddenly have a revelation about the enforced orthodoxy of their own side, and as they pull on these intellectual threads, they face blowback and reinforcement from unexpected places.

Where have we heard that before? Well, it’s the story of successive waves of neoconservatives in the 1960s and 1970s. It’s the story of former Communists — Burnham, Meyer, Eastman, et al. — who joined the founding generation of National Review. It’s the story Whittaker Chambers tells in Witness. It’s also the story of many of the progressive intellectuals who were disillusioned by the First World War. Are they exact parallels? Of course not — in part because these are different times. Irving Kristol famously said, “a neoconservative is a liberal who’s been mugged by reality.” New realities may create different muggings, but the pattern is awfully familiar. 

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65 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 09, 2018 11:05 AM  

Kristol said "a neoconservative"? Was he riffing off of the classic line about a liberal being mugged and becoming a conservative?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 09, 2018 11:12 AM  

Unz review link goes to a different item.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 09, 2018 11:12 AM  

The Dark Webbers are auditioning for the part of the robot team in the remake of "The Harlem Globetrotters on Gilligan's Island"

https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Harlem_Globetrotters_on_Gilligan%27s_Island

Blogger pyrrhus May 09, 2018 11:13 AM  

Ron Unz, as is his wont, is being too kind...What we have here is just the usual (((racketerrs))) trying to take over a new racket.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 09, 2018 11:14 AM  

Irving Kristol famously said, “a neoconservative is a liberal who’s been mugged by reality.”

A liberal who has been mugged by reality is a liberal still.

Blogger Johnny May 09, 2018 11:16 AM  

"It’s just a coalition of thinkers and journalists who happen to share a disdain for the keepers of the liberal orthodoxy."

Background is that the current orthodoxy isn't selling, thus Trump, thus the thrashing around for a new doctrine that will sell better. Plus the more I pay attention to Peterson the more I come to suspect he is a fake. Not just a guy who tells a lie now and then, but somebody who is almost always fibbing.

Blogger Peter Gent May 09, 2018 11:17 AM  

One consistent issue with the classic observation of “a neoconservative is a liberal who’s been mugged by reality” is the failure to deal with the mugging part of the equation and how that distorts everything that comes after, a sort of intellectual PTSD if you will. As a result, they never become fully formed conservatives because their lives go forward governed by irrational fears and unwillingness or an inability to really cross the boundaries into understanding the reality that confronted them in the first place. They got burned so they shrink back from the fire and take solace in a caricature of their new position. In effect, they inhabit a new bubble replacing the old bubble, but this one is much stronger and resistant to being popped.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 09, 2018 11:21 AM  

Pompeo is on his way bad to USA USA with the three Americans who were held as NK captives. Pretty amazing that Un's desire is strong enough to release the captives. One of them was a missionary.

Blogger VD May 09, 2018 11:32 AM  

Unz review link goes to a different item.

The quoted text is a comment on the previously linked post, but I have changed the link for the benefit of those of you who could not figure that out.

I am kind.

Blogger VD May 09, 2018 11:34 AM  

the more I pay attention to Peterson the more I come to suspect he is a fake. Not just a guy who tells a lie now and then, but somebody who is almost always fibbing.

(nods) It's truly astonishing how he is always just considering whether he believes in God or the resurrection of Jesus Christ for the very first time. Perhaps he has medium-term memory issues.

Blogger Al May 09, 2018 11:34 AM  

Even SJWs might come to approve these windbags eventually.

Speaking of these shattered souls, see:

SJW Journals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I28LEna98I

Truly pitiful.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 09, 2018 11:35 AM  

If Bari Weiss
Saved your life
Got you back with your ex-wife
Sing Bari Weiss
Bari Weiss
It’s alt-Riiiiiiiiiiiight...

with apologies to Fun Lovin’ Criminals.

Blogger Al May 09, 2018 11:39 AM  

@8

Yes, three "Americans" are on their way back from NK. As political correctness is a war on noticing, we're not supposed to notice that they're not actually Americans. Mere citizenship is a neccessary but INSUFFICIENT criterion of being an actual American or anything else.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 09, 2018 11:40 AM  

Dilly! Dilly!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 09, 2018 11:41 AM  

Dilly! Dilly!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein May 09, 2018 11:41 AM  

Dilly! Dilly!

Blogger lowercaseb May 09, 2018 11:42 AM  

How long before Egg McMuffin declares himself a totally cool "Dark Web Intellectual"

Blogger S'mon May 09, 2018 11:43 AM  

Unz does great work, as I'm sure most here know. He quotes himself:

"Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109. But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ."

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 09, 2018 11:50 AM  

Al,

Yes, I'm aware they are paper Americans. The optics of the success are undeniable, however. I don't want to detract from the success of The God Emperor by pointing out what we all know. Securing the release of Communist prisoners is an achievement no matter what.

Blogger Nate73 May 09, 2018 11:50 AM  

Eerie confirmation of VD's recent posts about Jordan Peterson being the new Approved Opposition(TM).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 09, 2018 11:51 AM  

VD wrote:but I have changed the link for the benefit of those of you who could not figure that out.


Thank you. You are indeed kind.

Blogger YIH May 09, 2018 12:23 PM  

As someone else noted the use of the term ''dark web'' is (intentionally IMHO) misleading. The term has already been defined as .onion sites, often featuring illegal content.

Blogger Anno Ruse May 09, 2018 12:36 PM  

"The quoted text is a comment on the previously linked post, but I have changed the link for the benefit of those of you who could not figure that out.

I am kind."

You're an asshole. Why do you feel the need to treat your readers like shit even when they're trying their best to agree with you? Your shit behavior is enough to encourage me to move from part-time troll to full-time troll. Let's see how well your "ban and spam" technique works against actual Agents of Evil.

Blogger CM May 09, 2018 12:37 PM  

After looking at the site, it was interesting who was missing - no Christians (as I could see or recognize) and those who would seem to fit or part of the ecosystem (Prager and C. Owens).

They are still adding, so I'm curious who all this will include.

I wouldn't have thought them neo-cons. They are Democrats who have been disenfranchised - like the old neocons and fake-right.

Blogger select star May 09, 2018 12:41 PM  

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Blogger Peter Gent May 09, 2018 12:42 PM  

I think the true “Renegade Intellectuals of the Dark Web” would be the posters on /pol/ or on this site. ;-)

Blogger select star May 09, 2018 12:43 PM  

If you can't beat em set up Fake Opposition/strawman.

Blogger Eli May 09, 2018 12:44 PM  

I apologize for going off topic, but it fits the cuckservative theme. Has anyone seen the National Review article mentioned here? www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/transgenderism-compromise-necessary-to-preserve-social-order/ I only post because it proves Vox right once again. Conservatives conserve nothing.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 09, 2018 12:46 PM  

Anno Ruse,

Do you whine this much on every blog you infest?

Blogger wreckage May 09, 2018 12:50 PM  

@20 Every time Vox overstates his case and I think "nope, not this time Vox, that's just nutty", something like this happens and I remember that, crass overstatement aside, Vox is almost invariably onto SOMETHING.

It's both hilarious and educational. Well, Vox said grudging respect is the best kind...

Blogger CM May 09, 2018 12:53 PM  

www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/transgenderism-compromise-necessary-to-preserve-social-order/ I only post because it proves Vox right once again. Conservatives conserve nothing.

That author isn't on the right, either. None of his articles are good.

Blogger YIH May 09, 2018 12:57 PM  

The author, Bari Weiss, is some WSJ Neocon who recently moved over to the NYT, and she’s presumably trying to rebrand some of her fellow Neocons as radical-rightists, thus giving them more appeal to the Daily Stormer crowd.
Top Kek.
DS and Daily Shoah like thwacking Little Benny about as much as we do.

Blogger Weouro May 09, 2018 1:01 PM  

I would think eventually they're going to have to explicitly credit Vox Day one of these days. I doubt any of these would have been written without the Petersen takedown. You can literally hear Vox's voice through all of these.

Blogger SDaly May 09, 2018 1:02 PM  

The comments to the NR piece are fascinating. Their readership must have really gone down/completely altered because it the very recent past, this would have received substantially more pushback.

Blogger VD May 09, 2018 1:06 PM  

I would think eventually they're going to have to explicitly credit Vox Day one of these days.

Don't hold your breath. That won't happen even if Peterson is eventually convicted of being a devil-worshipping cannibal pedo who ate his cousin.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 09, 2018 1:20 PM  

If YouTube has never demonetized you...You might not be Dark Web.

If your reader isn't considering the wisdom of taking a hammer to his hard drive after reading your stuff...You might not be Dark Web.

If you publicly declare that you believe Stormy Daniels when she says she has never done anal...You might not be Dark Web.

If you have never used the term God-Emperor...You might not be Dark Web.

If you think Ben Shapiro is, "well, I just can't even,"...You might not be Dark Web.

If you have ever thought about wearing your hair a man-bun...You might not be Dark Web.

If you didn't think A Handmaid's Tale was a comedy...You might not be Dark Web.

If you have no idea who Vox Day is...You might not be Dark Web

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 09, 2018 1:37 PM  

YIH wrote:DS and Daily Shoah like thwacking Little Benny about as much as we do.
It should be the national pastime.

Blogger Chris McCullough May 09, 2018 1:39 PM  

The Trumpformers, more than center right
The Trumpformers, for once put up a fight
Alter-Right wage their battle to destroy
The evil forces of... the poser Neo-cons

Blogger Were-Puppy May 09, 2018 1:43 PM  

"The author, Bari Weiss, is some WSJ Neocon who recently moved over to the NYT,"

WSJ
SJW
JWS

Every.Single.Time.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia May 09, 2018 1:45 PM  


VD says,
"Don't hold your breath. [Explicitly crediting Vox Day] won't happen even if Peterson is eventually convicted of being a devil-worshipping cannibal pedo who ate his cousin."

THAT'S why I come to this site. For the realism.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 09, 2018 1:47 PM  

VD wrote:I would think eventually they're going to have to explicitly credit Vox Day one of these days.

Don't hold your breath. That won't happen even if Peterson is eventually convicted of being a devil-worshipping cannibal pedo who ate his cousin.


Is that actually illegal in Canada?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 09, 2018 1:51 PM  

Ledford Ledford wrote:VD wrote:I would think eventually they're going to have to explicitly credit Vox Day one of these days.

Don't hold your breath. That won't happen even if Peterson is eventually convicted of being a devil-worshipping cannibal pedo who ate his cousin.


Is that actually illegal in Canada?


Only if the Satanic cannabalism is done in self defense. Self defense is always illegal in Canada.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 09, 2018 2:03 PM  

Or if you're White. Aboriginals and Moslems are more Canadian than Canadians, so they can be trusted with cousin-rape and cannibalism.

Blogger haus frau May 09, 2018 2:07 PM  

These Dark Web personalities are like a baby boomer crashing a frat party and thinking they fit right in and no one will notice the wrinkles and dorky attempts cool conversation because they shop at Forever 21 or something.

Blogger Avalanche May 09, 2018 2:22 PM  

@10 VD: "Perhaps he has medium-term memory issues."

Well, he IS taking psychotropic drugs...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 09, 2018 2:33 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Or if you're White. Aboriginals and Moslems are more Canadian than Canadians, so they can be trusted with cousin-rape and cannibalism.

When Whites do cousin-rape and cannibalism, it's cultural appropriation.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 09, 2018 3:10 PM  

"When Whites do cousin-rape and cannibalism, it's cultural appropriation."


... from Babylonians (i.e. Arabs).

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 09, 2018 3:44 PM  

@41 @45 @46

One thing is clear from our discussion: Jordan Peterson's dreams represent cultural appropriation.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 09, 2018 3:52 PM  

haus frau wrote:These Dark Web personalities are like a baby boomer crashing a frat party and thinking they fit right in and no one will notice the wrinkles and dorky attempts cool conversation because they shop at Forever 21 or something.

The "Hello Fellow Dark Web Residents" joke is not just right, it's alt-right!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 09, 2018 3:53 PM  

Dark Web Dad Joke Time!!

What does Dark Web Wooderson from Dazed and Confused say?

"Alt-Right, Alt-Right, Alt-Right!"

Blogger DonReynolds May 09, 2018 4:06 PM  

People are often funny.
How many times have we seen a man get serious with someone else's wife. Yes, of course, and those "homewrecking" women who steal away another woman's husband. They think it will be different with them. Yes, they are cheating on their spouse, but they would not do that if they were with me...because WE would have a special relationship.

I feel the same way about people who have been communists, or Leftists, or anarchists, or traitors....now suddenly they are Right Wing patriots. Now they are moss-backed reactionary conservatives.

Don't believe it. There are too many on the Left who have heard all about Judas and Sampson and think they acted heroically. Yes, they would be Judas and betray us all. Yes, they would pull down the building on all our heads.

Can people actually change? Sure they can. Some people change all the time, and that actually is the problem. They do change, and then they change again. Can we believe them or trust them or entrust them, just because they say so?

Lincoln was asked if the newspapers were reliable and he answered....absolutely! First they lie and then they re-lie, so that makes them re-lie-able.

OpenID bgkoranburner May 09, 2018 4:31 PM  

Controlled Opposition vs Wetback Dyke for Gov Of Texas

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2018/05/09/sheriff-valdez-could-make-lgbt-history-in-campaign-for-the-everyday-texan/

"Don't hold your breath. [Explicitly crediting Vox Day] won't happen even if Peterson is eventually convicted of being a devil-worshipping cannibal pedo who ate his cousin."

Snopes- Not true Jordon Peterson is convicted of being a demon-worshiping...

Blogger MickDundee May 09, 2018 4:32 PM  

(((Dark Web))) which is 90% Chosen Persons. More evidence of IQ inflation, or is in their interest to perpetuate anti-semitism?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 09, 2018 4:36 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:"When Whites do cousin-rape and cannibalism, it's cultural appropriation."

... from Babylonians (i.e. Arabs).


I was thinking of Canadian abos, but yours is probably closer to the truth.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 09, 2018 5:20 PM  

My dad joke was that bad, huh? I suppose we all have our own ways of inflicting cruelty upon others. In this case, I'd also say the suffering inflicted on everyone who read it was richly deserved, you bunch of RSHD evildoers!!

Blogger Lovekraft May 09, 2018 7:12 PM  

Another example of the alt-right sitting back observing developments while the progressives/globalist/neocon alliance scurry around making sure all their ducks are lined up neat.

The only real option for them is to develop truly verifiable standards, which is why regulation of this cabal is necessary.

Blogger Lazarus May 09, 2018 8:11 PM  

You're an asshole. Why do you feel the need to treat your readers like shit even when they're trying their best to agree with you? Your shit behavior is enough to encourage me to move from part-time troll to full-time troll. Let's see how well your "ban and spam" technique works against actual Agents of Evil.

Brilliant move Anno. Please elaborate.

Blogger Cicatrizatic May 09, 2018 10:09 PM  

The response by commenter "Lot" to Unz is a hilarious, neurotic meltdown.

Blogger Ian Stein May 09, 2018 10:33 PM  

NeoConJob. Trotskyite subversives and their global communism make me see red. Have to do something about them. Go after their money somehow.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 10, 2018 12:01 AM  

Exactly. Because you have wrongthink and wrongthinkers are never credited with being right, even if they cede in any manner to your way of thinking in the future.
You must always be punished for your initial "sin." You broke their required orthodoxy.

Blogger wreckage May 10, 2018 12:15 AM  

@57 Vox being abrasive is a personal slight. He's never like that with anyone else. I stand with Anal. Anno. Whoever.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 10, 2018 4:33 AM  

The Whittaker Chambers reference makes me wonder, is this actually a list of "conservatives" that secretly crave cock?

Blogger English Tom May 10, 2018 9:16 AM  

...someone who is always fibbing.

And someone who refuses to address the JQ except with lies.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion May 10, 2018 2:35 PM  

Why not hit with the ultimate punishment of utterly depriving him of your insights, wisdom, and valuable advice.
You should boycott this website, and refuse to return without a formal apology.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 11, 2018 12:14 AM  

Tad ain't smart enough to play the long game.

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