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Wednesday, May 16, 2018

Speaking of charlatans

The Weekly Standard attempts to redefine the term "protest":
They’re not protests. They’re suicide-riots.

On Monday President Donald Trump fulfilled his campaign promise to move the United States embassy in Israel to the country's capital, Jerusalem. As usual, the American and European media’s coverage interpreted the event in the worst possible light for the nation of Israel. One learns very little from our mainstream news sources about what the move may mean for the nations primarily concerned—Israel and the United States—but a great deal about the Palestinian “protests” happening along Israel’s southern border with Gaza: Headlines in the New York Times and Washington Post proclaimed (misleadingly) “Israel Kills Dozens and Wounds 1700 at Gaza Border” and “Over 50 Killed in Gaza Protests as U.S. Opens Embassy in Jerusalem.”

We put the word “protests” in quotation marks advisedly. In ordinary English usage, a protest is a collective action or gesture meant to bring pressure on a government or corporate entity. The Gaza “protests” are meant to bring pressure on Israel, but they’re intended mainly to kill and maim both Israelis and the Palestinian “protesters” themselves.

These demonstrations would be better described as suicide-riots. For nearly two months, Hamas and other militant factions have been encouraging young Palestinian men to storm the fence separating Gaza from Israel. The rioters cut holes in the fence, charge Israeli guards with crude weapons like axes, and lob fire bombs over the wall in attempts to set Israeli fields on fire. Hamas has pledged to massacre those on the other side of the fence, and these riots are expressions of that intention. Israeli defense forces are obliged to respond with force. An axe-clutching Palestinian insanely charging into Israeli territory isn’t a “protester” but a combatant and a terrorist. The fact that he doesn’t expect to prevail against the might of the Israel Defense Forces—he is in essence on a suicide mission—doesn’t somehow oblige Israeli soldiers not to use force to stop him. The Israelis have no choice but to fire back, and they do, often with deadly results.
If the Gaza protests are intended mainly to kill and maim Israelis, they are making an incredibly ineffective job of it, given the lack of Israeli casualties. On the other hand, these "suicide-riots" are proving to be very effective at bringing political pressure on the Israeli government from a broad global spectrum.

The Turks have expelled the Israeli ambassador. China has expressed serious concern. Russia has condemned the "indiscriminate" nature of the thousands of shootings. The UK government has urged restraint. These protests may be suicidal, but they are absolutely and without question protests, and to the extent their objective is to put international pressure on the Israeli government, they are successful.

Prime Minister Netanyahu clearly needs to read more Martin van Creveld than he has.

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Blogger Nate May 16, 2018 8:07 AM  

To hell with the make believe palestinians. To hell with the fake country Gaza.

This whole conflict is bullshit. Israel should simply bulldoze the whole place. The only reason this conflict exists at all is because of idiots in other governments pressuring them into that stupid agreement in 1994. There is no Gaza. Gaza is Israel. The West Bank is Israel.

This is no different than a bunch of mexicans claiming that LA is mexicana... and calling it their own country.

Which of course.. is going to happen in the next 20 years.

Blogger Blume May 16, 2018 8:13 AM  

Right, and so we should learn from Israel how not to do that.

Blogger MickDundee May 16, 2018 8:14 AM  

I stand with Nate and out bestest buddies Israel! Kill all those Mudslimes! Only a Demonrat would disagree!

Blogger Long Live The West May 16, 2018 8:16 AM  

There is no peaceful resolution. Not here, and not in Israel.

When you mass at a border, calling for the death of all those across the fence, it shouldn't come as a shock that you're forcing the defendants to use lethal force to stop you. Also screw the UK. Their pedos don't show any restraint now do they?

You always say this is a war.

People use bullets in wars.

Blogger Duh-ave May 16, 2018 8:18 AM  

When has there not been international pressure on Israel? As long as they have enough bullets and enough of our money they will not care. Maybe they would pay more attention to God's will if we cut them loose. Internationally speaking the only opinion that matters is Washington's.

Blogger Nate May 16, 2018 8:22 AM  

"There is no peaceful resolution. Not here, and not in Israel."

Well... its peaceful in the long term. You kill them all... and then its peaceful.

I mean not to offend our beloved host here... but when was the last redskinned indian raid on an american town?

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 8:28 AM  

Wounded Knee, February 27, 1973. I was there.

God bless

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 16, 2018 8:32 AM  

The relevant question is, do Israelis support what happened?

Blogger PCA May 16, 2018 8:32 AM  

Is this what "the Alt-right is inevitable" means around here? The zionisation of nationalism in the west? If so, I'm off this train.

Israel doesn't magically solve the JQ. On the contrary, it shows up Judaism in its most flagrantly genocidal and war-mongering aspect. This is no exemplar for Christians.

Further, those who accept the Zionist lie that "there is no such thing as a Palestinian people" would do well to meditate on its similarity to the solvent that diaspora jewry injects into the veins of its host nations.

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 8:34 AM  

I'm no biblical scholar, but couldnt this kind of bullshit be one of the main reasons that the Hebrew God always commanded his armies to kill absolutely everyone in Canaan that was not Hebrew?

Blogger Nate May 16, 2018 8:37 AM  

"I'm no biblical scholar, but couldnt this kind of bullshit be one of the main reasons that the Hebrew God always commanded his armies to kill absolutely everyone in Canaan that was not Hebrew?"

even their animals.

Blogger Long Live The West May 16, 2018 8:39 AM  

PCA wrote:Is this what "the Alt-right is inevitable" means around here? The zionisation of nationalism in the west? If so, I'm off this train.

Israel doesn't magically solve the JQ. On the contrary, it shows up Judaism in its most flagrantly genocidal and war-mongering aspect. This is no exemplar for Christians.

Further, those who accept the Zionist lie that "there is no such thing as a Palestinian people" would do well to meditate on its similarity to the solvent that diaspora jewry injects into the veins of its host nations.


You can't have nationalism if you don't have nations. You can't have nations if you don't defend your borders. Israel has the right to defend their border just like anybody else.

Please explain to me how this is war-mongering, since it seems to me like the arabs are the ones trying to break down the fence.

Blogger Nate May 16, 2018 8:40 AM  

"Further, those who accept the Zionist lie that "there is no such thing as a Palestinian people" would do well to meditate on its similarity to the solvent that diaspora jewry injects into the veins of its host nations. "

Shut your whore mouth.

Israel exists and has a right to exist. Gaza is fiction. It has never been a seperate nation ruled by its own people. Its been ruled by Rome.. The ottomans... England... Egypt... and not israel. Calling it a nation is historical retardery.

I realize you hate the jews. I suggest you put on some depends and join the adults.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 16, 2018 8:40 AM  

What the fuck is Israel supposed to do?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2018 8:41 AM  

Nate wrote:"I'm no biblical scholar, but couldnt this kind of bullshit be one of the main reasons that the Hebrew God always commanded his armies to kill absolutely everyone in Canaan that was not Hebrew?"

even their animals.


He knew what those Semites do with goats.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 16, 2018 8:41 AM  

7. rockcreekmillandheritagefarm May 16, 2018 8:28 AM
Wounded Knee, February 27, 1973. I was there.


Indian Reservations are, for most purposes, considered separate nations from the United States.

that's why they can all have casinos and not remit taxes to the State in which they reside.

Blogger pyrrhus May 16, 2018 8:42 AM  

Killing demonstrators en masse is a proven method for losing control of the narrative...But the Israelis think they control the media. We'll see how that turns out.

Blogger Peter Gent May 16, 2018 8:45 AM  

Long Live The West wrote:You always say this is a war.

People use bullets in wars.

Some do. Sometimes protests are enough to turn the tide, as it did in Vietnam. Vietnamese general Vo Nguyen Giap's memoirs stated they were ready to surrender but where encourage to hold out by the American protesters. America didn't lose Vietnam because of bullets, they lost it because of the protests back home gave aid and comfort to the enemy long enough for Nixon through Kissinger to cave.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 8:46 AM  

It's nice to say that they're all protesters or all suicide rioters, but in reality they're a mix of both.

People legitimately protesting don't deserve to get shot.

People lobbing molotov cocktails and slinging rocks deserve to get shot.

Apparently the ratio of riotous combatants isn't a terribly high proportion of the whole, but that doesn't mean that it does not exist and does not need to be dealt with.

Blogger Nathan Bissonette May 16, 2018 8:47 AM  

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 8:48 AM  

Personally I favor tear gassing them, but I'm not exactly boots on the ground, so that may be a bad or ineffective idea.

Blogger John Raptis May 16, 2018 8:49 AM  

>People legitimately protesting don't deserve to get shot.
>People lobbing molotov cocktails and slinging rocks deserve to get shot.

I find that in any moral quandary, turning to Aesop clarifies things:
https://www.istoryahan.com/2016/03/02/the-farmer-and-the-stork-aesops-fable/

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2018 8:49 AM  

Nate wrote:This whole conflict is bullshit. Israel should simply bulldoze the whole place.

In another thread I mentioned that the Turks and the Hutu found genocide remarkably effective at dealing with unwanted minorities, with minimal long-term consequences.

I realize that those situations were different than Israel's: during the Armenian genocide, there were no TV cameras. The Hutu were Africans killing Africans, who liberals don't care about, so any TV cameras that survived didn't matter.

The Israelis could bite the bullet, kill all the Palestinians and the news crews that try to cover the event, and twenty years later, no one would remember or care.

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 16, 2018 8:50 AM  

Even after Bloody Sunday, Northern Ireland is still in the United Kingdom.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 8:51 AM  

"He will be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone and everyone's against him, and he will live in hostility to all his brothers."

What do?

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 16, 2018 8:54 AM  

Any border comes with historical disputes and counterclaims. Note the grief over the Wall. These can be nearly impossible to sort out with moral clarity, so in practical terms, nations hold the territory they can defend. When did shooting invaders become immoral? I would like America to defend its borders with similar zeal.

The discussion should be tactical. Is there a way to repel invasion without offending the global media and political class?

Blogger Nathan Bissonette May 16, 2018 8:54 AM  

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 8:55 AM  

The only solutions I can see involve either cucking under for a year (maybe) of peace, or going in during the night and just completely erasing the people there from the face of the Earth and pretending like nothing happened afterward.

If I'm missing some pertinent information, I'd love to know...

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2018 8:56 AM  

Off topic: Alt*Hero backers should be checking their email. :)

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 16, 2018 8:56 AM  

Is there a way to repel invasion without offending the global media and political class?

Rope, timber, some assembly required.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2018 8:57 AM  

Peter Gent wrote:Vietnamese general Vo Nguyen Giap's memoirs stated they were ready to surrender but where encourage to hold out by the American protesters. America didn't lose Vietnam because of bullets, they lost it because of the protests back home gave aid and comfort to the enemy long enough for Nixon through Kissinger to cave.

If killing people doesn't work, you aren't killing enough people. The Fifth column in the US would have been ineffective if the US had killed enough people in the North, fast enough, that Giap couldn't hold out.

The US government played at war for a decade, careful never to win, until the American people got so sick of perpetual war for nothing that they were ready to listen to the Fifth Column.

At the same time the US was shipping millions of tons of wheat to Russia, Russia was shipping millions of dollars of war materials into North Viet Nam. We funded both sides of that war.

All this 4G warfare stuff seems to rely upon a weak, indecisive enemy who is unwilling to actually win, and cares about being seen as nice. Kill one enemy, recruit three to his cause? That's not going to happen if the three are dead, too.

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 8:58 AM  

16, Bob. They came to Custer to protest first, tried to burn the courthouse, Molotov cocktails and guns. Fun time. I was at work a few blocks away and things got pretty bad fast.
Yes, the Rez is a nation of it's own, and that's where most of the protest played out.

Blogger tz May 16, 2018 8:58 AM  

We need to do a swap between our border patrol and the IDF. The marching migrants would be stopped at the border, but I wonder if the neocon NeverTrumnpers would approve of us doing to those trying to cross from Mexico what the IDF is doing to those trying to cross from Gaza.

The problem with the old right is their minds are compartmentalized - I noticed this over a decade ago - they would say super-gluing a lock on an Abortion clinic was horribly over the top and too provocative and evil while in the next breath endorsing torturing random Afghanis, Pakastanis, and Iraqis to death, whether they got any info or not "to protect innocent life".

Israeli ethno-nationalistic brutality is applauded, American nationalism of any form and any thing but letting illegals run free through the USA is condemned.

Blogger Johnny May 16, 2018 8:59 AM  

Nate wrote:"I'm no biblical scholar, but couldnt this kind of bullshit be one of the main reasons that the Hebrew God always commanded his armies to kill absolutely everyone in Canaan that was not Hebrew?"

even their animals.


Just to clarify things a little. I don't think it is never directly stated, but the idea seems to be that when God helps you win a war, the war is not to be for material gain. That rules out looting and pillage type stuff. Killing everybody and everything is a way of limiting material gain. Plus they were reluctant to have outsiders brought into the tribe.

Blogger Lazarus May 16, 2018 9:00 AM  

It's nice to say that they're all protesters or all suicide rioters, but in reality they're a mix of both.

Hamas has publicly acknowledged members of its military wing who were killed during fence-breaching attempts. Once again, just a military operation using human shields. (banned by Geneva convention)

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 9:01 AM  

"Is there a way to repel invasion without offending the global media and political class?"

One of the problems is that a fair amount of those are in the boat that is determined that Israel has no right to exist. While it's possible to get around some of the media and other politics, in many cases as long as Israel still exists the boat will continue rocking.

Blogger MickDundee May 16, 2018 9:02 AM  

Nate, come clean, do you have a Star of David flag at home? How often do you wave it? At Tea Party rallies?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 9:03 AM  

I don't disagree, Lazarus.

"The problem with the old right is their minds are compartmentalized - I noticed this over a decade ago - they would say super-gluing a lock on an Abortion clinic was horribly over the top and too provocative and evil"

I don't think anything over the top can possibly happen to an abortion clinic.

Blogger Shimshon May 16, 2018 9:03 AM  

This is just an invasion. Whatever happened to "sink the damned boats"?

Blogger The Deuce May 16, 2018 9:03 AM  

Not sure what Israel's options here are at the point where Palestinians are trying to storm the fence. It would be irresponsible to let them through just to prove for certain that they'll kill people if they can. I suppose they could shoot to cripple instead of kill, depriving Palestinians of their fatality counts to wave around in the media, and sticking them with invalids that they must then use their resources to keep alive. And it would be a fate worse than death for the would-be martyrs.

Alternatively, as Nate says, they could just bulldoze Gaza, and annihilate any Palestinians too stupid or slow to relocate to Jordan. They're going to have to do that eventually anyhow, so might as well get it over with and face the whining of the "international community" just one time before having lasting peace, rather than getting blamed over and over each time they're forced to respond to Palestinians' media stunts.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 16, 2018 9:03 AM  

@14 Realize it's a police action, not a military action. Use tear gas, slime cannon, water cannon. Film everything. Set it to Yakity Sax to make the enemy look foolish. Arrest every one of them, fine them, destroy their houses in Gaza. Assassinate Hamas leadership elsewhere on the sly while you're at it.

But don't let them become martyrs. That's their goal, the moral equivalent of war. Stupid leftist Israeli Jews don't want to think of their army as hurting people, gosh. They need a fig leaf of acceptability so they can support their country.

The objective of the suicide rioters is to destroy the legitimacy of the Israeli government. "How can they be legitimate if they have to kill and hurt so many people?!?"
Yeah, it's dumb, and everyone reading here can see through it, but half of everyone is below average, and those people vote too.

Just like President Trump pitches his speech to the fourth grade level so 95% of everyone can clearly understand his message, the message in a situation like this has to be of greater clarity than the enemy.

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2018 9:04 AM  

> Israel should simply bulldoze the whole place.

Pretty much, yes. Take them all to the closest border. They can either cross or be shot. Anyone caught coming back is summarily executed.

> Further, those who accept the Zionist lie that "there is no such thing as a Palestinian people"

There isn't. They're Jordanians.

> What the fuck is Israel supposed to do?

Kill or remove them all. If they want peace that's the only way to get it.

> Is there a way to repel invasion without offending the global media and political class?

No, since they're the ones enabling the invasion.

Blogger Nate May 16, 2018 9:05 AM  

" I don't think it is never directly stated,"

you're inadvertant double-negative here actually saves you.

You're correct. it is not never stated. it is overtly stated.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 16, 2018 9:07 AM  

If you're Israel, and you want to win, take a page from Lind. Be willing to take a few casualties. Arm the border guards with batons and shields, and let them get it on. You want to be really ruthless, send all women. It's not as if any Gazans that get through will be able to claim asylum, etc. Israel is not the US or Britain.

It's telling that Israel is not even clearly winning the propaganda war on this most nationalistic of comment sections.

Blogger Nate May 16, 2018 9:07 AM  

"Nate, come clean, do you have a Star of David flag at home? How often do you wave it? At Tea Party rallies?"

no moron. The only flags I fly with stars on them are Battle flags and The Bonnie Blue.

I'm not some idiot that thinks Left Behind Novels are theology. we can pick a number of nations where similar things have happened and I would say the same thing.

Blogger tz May 16, 2018 9:10 AM  

Pity Netanyahu doesn't have a bunch of Sarin gas so he can deal with the whole lot at one time. It's not like he's Assad.
He will just deny food and medicine and insure they have contaminated water so they die of cholera or typhus or something else.

As to the "castle walls", Gaza is the world's largest open air prison. It isn't as if the Gazans have any freedom of movement across the borders, or that any goods including humanitarian aid, much less turning it into even a small growing economy isn't allowed by Israel.

They should have thought about it before they purges the Jews from Gaza and creating one big lock-up where they prevent the flow of goods and trade.

Blogger Johnny May 16, 2018 9:12 AM  

I don't actually want to further the sucess of tyrany, but it does seem like most governments should have a better way of dealing with protesters. The key is to make what they are doing irritating for them and ineffective, but not so cruel that the protesters win symathy.

Lets see, what could you do?

I don't know, mass incarceration in tents. Just hold them all somewhere with gruel for food and a slow processing method that involves a lot of waiting in line.

They use smoke screening in the military. Release so much smoke that nobody can see much of anything.

Have false flag protesters mix in that act in a way that is not sympathetic. Have them be available to talk to the press people.

Find a way to get your own news feed people on the scene. Detailing stuff very often lowers sympathy because if will usually eliminate the more pure and simple good against evil model.

When it is protesting because of outside funding, cover the outside funder a lot. If it is Soros or whoever, talk a lot about the flow of money, the backers and so on. Why governments don't have better information on this I don't know.

The whole thing about dealing with these riots and protesters seems like just another area were governments are ineffective.



Blogger Ingot9455 May 16, 2018 9:18 AM  

@42 While true, Jordan doesn't want and won't take them. Last time Jordan let in some 'Palestinians' the Black September tried to take over the place. Jordan and Israel have a lot of low-level connections and communications and help each other against terrorism so what Jordan will be willing to do in the era of the God-Emperor and his upcoming initiative remains to be seen. Everything is up in the air.... but if Jordan takes some amount of the Palestinians back I expect a good number to go straight into the gentle arms of a Jordanian prison.

Blogger Allen Skeens May 16, 2018 9:21 AM  

James Dixon, jordan has already expelled the palis. Nobody wants those creeps.

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 9:22 AM  

Jordan doesn't want and won't take them

With good reason.
Israel doesn't want them either.
Nor does Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi...

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 16, 2018 9:25 AM  

@ 36. Azure Amaranthine

"a fair amount of those are in the boat that is determined that Israel has no right to exist."

I'd be surprised if some of those political-media voices squawking loudest about the brutality weren't actively funding the "protests."

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 9:28 AM  

Are we simply glossing over the fact that, in contemporary English usage, a "protest" or a "protest rally" is generally understood to signify a "non-violent protest rally"?

I don't think anyone would dispute the fact that the Arab gatherings in Gaza were, in fact, violent and unruly. These were not solemn gatherings at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial where people could come listen to the hallowed words of, I dunno, the Most Very Reverend and Sainted Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., PhD (TM).

A violent protest rally that gets a bit too violent for anyone's good could fairly be termed as a kind of "riot," so I don't find myself particularly annoyed with the Weekly Standard over this.

Apart from setting up minefields, machine gun nests and sniper positions to defend a frontier against people who could cross it for purposes of mischief, Israel's only other major direct lever is essentially to wage war on Hamas, to bring pressure on them to use their own authority to keep people away from the border on their side of the fence.

Israel has already shown itself to be incapable or unwilling to defeat Hamas decisively using military means. An inability or unwillingness to endure the bad press that would result from bombing the main hospital in Gaza to get at the Hamas bunker underneath is likely part of the calculus, even if a fair reading of the Geneva Conventions would permit such a bombing. So minefields, machine gun nests and sniper positions it is.

Israel's indirect lever seems to be to get Egypt to put pressure on Hamas to put pressure on individual Gazans not to show up and riot at the border fence. That seems to be what has finally happened, but clearly it took time and effort to bring that about.

The Israeli leadership has taken the decision -- most likely the best decision under the circumstances -- that they can endure the present degree of international opprobrium more easily than they can endure the domestic opprobrium that would result from standing down the troops and enduring another episode where Hamas operatives manage to take advantage of a breach in the border fence to kidnap or kill Israeli citizens. Especially since it was a short-lived and temporary period of heavy shooting at Arabs who rioted too close to the fence, until Israel could enlist Egypt's help to get Hamas to reign things in.

The U.S. has been frankly supportive and the European response has been, in my view, actually quite balanced and muted for Europe, so my read is that the Extremely Stable Genius in charge of Israel -- Netanyahu -- probably played this hand about as well as it could have been played.

If only the United States would control its southern border with the same degree of vigor!

Blogger English Tom May 16, 2018 9:29 AM  

Internationally speaking the only opinion that matters is Washington's.

And ZOG has the complete lock on Washington.

Blogger August May 16, 2018 9:34 AM  

This could have been handled in a better manner, but I suspect BN knows what he can get away with. He is probably most worried with the attitude of Israelis. The action against Catalan looked bad too, but it doesn't look like the Spanish government has suffered much from it.

I'd prefer Pinochet style disappearances- not to mention a high profile Kirschner aliyah. No doubt the political winds will change again, and people will become troubled by these heavy handed tactics again. Need an alt-right PR agency.

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 16, 2018 9:39 AM  

The Weekly Standard seems to want to reserve protest for the anointed "resistance" efforts of '60's civil rights LARPers.

Trying to keep both the rootless parasitic cosmopolitanism of the diaspora and a Biblical homeland in Israel is self-contradictory, as we see here. Are borders defensible or not? We know what Turkey, China and the EU think. At least the EU is consistent in its rejection of the right of national sovereignty. The others are opportunistic hypocrites and, like the diaspora, enemies of the West.

Blogger Alphaeus May 16, 2018 9:44 AM  

"The Turks have expelled the Israeli ambassador. China has expressed serious concern. Russia has condemned the "indiscriminate" nature of the thousands of shootings. The UK government has urged restraint"

Reading van Creveld is good advice. Being criticized by Turkey, China, Russia, and the UK is devastating. Heaven knows how kind and gentle they all are towards their indigenous peoples, the Armenians, the Kurds, the Uighurs, the Chechens, and all the British subjects who are actually English. Well, even so, van Creveld should be studied carefully, all sarcasm aside.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia May 16, 2018 9:50 AM  

VD wrote
The Turks have expelled the Israeli ambassador. China has expressed serious concern. Russia has condemned the "indiscriminate" nature of the thousands of shootings. The UK government has urged restraint. These protests may be suicidal, but they are absolutely and without question protests, and to the extent their objective is to put international pressure on the Israeli government, they are successful.

The Turks? Erdogan probably longs for the days when the Ottoman Empire controlled the Levant-he probably thinks going back to is a really good idea, thought he'd probably be a worse alternative for his co-religionists.

China? They'll still sell shit to Israel, and continue to steal Israeli IP.

Russia? Condemning Israel? A country that has no problem mowing down Chechnyans? Now THAT'S rich.

UK? Urging restraint? Just what you would you expect from a pussified nation whose modus operandi is "strong letter to follow?"

Sure the optics look bad, and Israel ALWAYS loses the media battle. But like the Intifadas of the past, these events will fade. Israel is going to stay right where it is, and continue on more or less as it has been, and Hamas/Palestinians/Gaza residents will stay where they are, more less as it has been.

Game changer or a blip? I vote blip.

Blogger Lazarus May 16, 2018 9:54 AM  

Jordan doesn't want and won't take them

Search Jordan Option and Mudar Zahran. All that might change, and in a short time.

Blogger Nate May 16, 2018 9:57 AM  

another fact being ignored here.. these "protests" were in fact planned months ago by Hamas. And these "protests" include live fire and acts of violence against the IDF at the fence.

It isn't a protest. They are protestors. They are invaders attacking. It is war and it should be fought as war.


Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 16, 2018 9:58 AM  

"Damned Palis impaled themselves on our bullets!"

Blogger Ingot9455 May 16, 2018 9:59 AM  

@58 After a websearch - this Mudar Zahran, how many divisions does he have? (And/or, does he have the ear of the God-Emperor or his Grand Vizier?)

Blogger VD May 16, 2018 10:02 AM  

This is just an invasion. Whatever happened to "sink the damned boats"?

Don't be silly. This is political theater. The protesters are not trying to settle in Israel.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 16, 2018 10:04 AM  

Nate wrote:"I'm no biblical scholar, but couldnt this kind of bullshit be one of the main reasons that the Hebrew God always commanded his armies to kill absolutely everyone in Canaan that was not Hebrew?"

even their animals.

Just to clarify things a little. I don't think it is never directly stated, but the idea seems to be that when God helps you win a war, the war is not to be for material gain. That rules out looting and pillage type stuff. Killing everybody and everything is a way of limiting material gain. Plus they were reluctant to have outsiders brought into the tribe

One of the reasons was to prevent the spread of diseases.
The Amorites and Amalakites, etc, were degenerates who engaged in nearly every vulgar action .
Killing them down to a child was in part, though not exclusively, to cull the diseased and inbred from the population .

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia May 16, 2018 10:04 AM  

@benkurtzblog

Well said.

Blogger Frank Brady May 16, 2018 10:06 AM  

The orony of the enthusiasm with which Israel's most zealous supporters here favor a "Final Solution" for the "Palestinean problem" is both delicious and hilarious. "Israel" is a parasitic gang of thugs that manipulated the U.S. into eliminating one of its fiercest adversaries (Saddam Hussein) with lies about Iraq's mythical WMD capability and is now repeating its routine with Iran. Very entertaining.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 16, 2018 10:18 AM  

VD wrote:This is just an invasion. Whatever happened to "sink the damned boats"?

Don't be silly. This is political theater. The protesters are not trying to settle in Israel.


Exactly. There is zero chance a single Gazan will claim his stake in Israel. Israel is not Sweden. Given that, what is winning and what is losing? Victory points are awarded by counting martyrs. Palestinians are winning a marginal victory. I don't think the IDF even bothered to read the rulebook, and they're paying for it.

I would award the Palestinians a major victory, but they allowed the protests to center on the "Right of Return" instead of "End the Blockade," thus lowering their media multiplier.

To pull of a marginal victory at this point, the IDF needs to roll a 12 and have a lady IDFer kidnapped by Hamas.

Blogger Frank Brady May 16, 2018 10:19 AM  

It would appear that many of Israel's supporters are indicting Hitler for inefficiency.

Blogger VD May 16, 2018 10:23 AM  

The Amorites and Amalakites, etc, were degenerates who engaged in nearly every vulgar action. Killing them down to a child was in part, though not exclusively, to cull the diseased and inbred from the population.

(facepalm) Do you truly not understand how that logic could be used to justify Holocaust 2.0?

Blogger dienw May 16, 2018 10:27 AM  

Pity Netanyahu doesn't have a bunch of Sarin gas so he can deal with the whole lot at one time.

No, no, you mean Zyklon B.

Blogger Meimou May 16, 2018 10:28 AM  

Hamas was created by Israel and is most likely stilp run by them.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 16, 2018 10:36 AM  

(facepalm) Do you truly not understand how that logic could be used to justify Holocaust 2.0?
We don't even have the Right Wing Death Squads up and running yet
Despite what I've been repeatedly promised .
So I'm feeling pessimistic about Holocaust 2.0 "This Time it's for Real"
/Sarc

Blogger Hezekiah Garrett May 16, 2018 10:54 AM  

The Mexicans aren't taking over Lower Alabama in the next 20 yrs.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 16, 2018 11:02 AM  

The Turks have expelled the Israeli ambassador. China has expressed serious concern. Russia has condemned the "indiscriminate" nature of the thousands of shootings. The UK government has urged restraint. These protests may be suicidal, but they are absolutely and without question protests, and to the extent their objective is to put international pressure on the Israeli government, they are successful.

Sounds like business as usual then.

Blogger tz May 16, 2018 11:08 AM  

Meanwhile, don't say anything bad about Israel in South Carolina, at least not a university.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 11:08 AM  

"Do you truly not understand how that logic could be used to justify Holocaust 2.0?"

Are you talking about the actual murders, or the massive propaganda campaign to follow?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 16, 2018 11:11 AM  

If you think I'm not aware, I'm actually writing a fictional account that has several characters in an organization devoted to just that sort of thing, and they aren't the good guys.

Blogger Bubba May 16, 2018 11:17 AM  

@27: "You're a war-gamer, Vox. You understand this stuff. If Bibi called you today and asked what to do, what would you tell him?"

I would tell him, "Why are you asking ME, you chump? Grow a pair. Ask your Tribe. Ask G-d. Talk to the Sanhedrin. Whatever. Do what you have to do. Don't be a gutless worm and ask foreigners like me what we think. You are not the 51st state of the Union."

Blogger Robert Divinity May 16, 2018 11:21 AM  

use force

There was a modifier, "deadly," dropped before "force." TWS really needs better copy editors.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 16, 2018 11:22 AM  

Israel should just buy the New York Times when it goes up for sale again.

Blogger flyingtiger May 16, 2018 11:41 AM  

Hamas says to attack and they do. These are a poorly made attacks by relics of the past. This "Palestinian" fantasy has been proven to be false. Who cares if a few embassys close.
Moslems riot. yawn.

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 11:55 AM  

Israel cant even let the truth about real anti semite attacks be known.

Philly nig shot Israeli flag with paint gun, Israel news no pictures or name of black wearing moslem garb & they faked the photo of the flag which looks like it had grape drank poured (I shit you not) on it instead of blood

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/man-arrested-after-israeli-flag-on-the-parkway-vandalized-20180515.html

vs

https://www.timesofisrael.com/man-accused-of-firing-red-paint-at-israeli-flag-in-philadelphia/

Blogger VD May 16, 2018 12:16 PM  

"You're a war-gamer, Vox. You understand this stuff. If Bibi called you today and asked what to do, what would you tell him?"

You can't expect to successfully play carrot-and-stick without a bigger carrot and a bigger stick. In the meantime, stop screwing around and ruining the IDF by using it as a crowd-controlling police force. The IDF is in poor shape compared to what it was 25 years ago and it will not have air supremacy in the future.

It should be reforming, not throwing its regional weight around in Iraq and Syria.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 16, 2018 12:30 PM  

Lousy theology Nate.
The Israel of the OT ceased to exist. Show me a bona fide prophet and I will change my mind. Of course, that will put Christianity in a quandry.

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 12:30 PM  

I stand with Nate and out bestest buddies Israel! Kill all those Mudslimes!

You can kill an Israeli Knesset congress member & an arab rent boy with one bullet.

When has there not been international pressure on Israel?

That $8billion a year from US taxpayers is enough pressure to turn coalburners into diamonds.

People lobbing molotov cocktails and slinging rocks deserve to get shot.

"But what about me", I mean shaved head Philly jew dykes that stab cops horses?
http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/13/philadelphia-antifa-member-charged-with-trying-to-stab-a-police-horse-in-the-neck/

Please explain to me how this is war-mongering

The same jews who cheered as brown kids get shot in the back, were more than happy to jew Hazelton PA when they passed local ordinances against illegal alien crimes. All of international jewery threaten to keep suing until Hazelton was bankrupt, just like their plan to force trannies on Boy Scouts.

I don't think anything over the top can possibly happen to an abortion clinic. Azure Amaranthine

Gay youth meetings usually start meeting in the open spaces of abortion clinics, until they get locations of their own. One of those little odd (((coincidences))).

If Bibi called you today and asked what to do, what would you tell him?"

Bibi should tell all jews to move to Israel, & pester their host nations no more!

Blogger Dirk Manly May 16, 2018 1:23 PM  

@26

"The discussion should be tactical. Is there a way to repel invasion without offending the global media and political class?"


Gunfighter challenges Latigo to a duel
Latigo: You just go right on outside, and I'll be out in 10 seconds

[Gunfighter turns to leave the shop]
[Latigo hits gunfighter across the back of the head, knocking him unconscious]

Jug: You hit him from behind!

Latigo: Just as hard as I could.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2018 1:29 PM  

VD wrote:(facepalm) Do you truly not understand how that logic could be used to justify Holocaust 2.0?

C'est la vie.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 16, 2018 1:35 PM  

@49
"jordan has already expelled the palis. Nobody wants those creeps"

How can you spot Moloch worshipers?
They sacrifice their children by fire.

What do Palistinian mothers do when they receive word that one of their children has killed himself in an explosive deflagration?

Does she cry?
Does she mourn?

No. She runs around passing out candy, in the traditional gesture of celebration in the mideast.

NOBOODY wants Moloch worshippers living withing their borders.

Blogger Frank Brady May 16, 2018 1:36 PM  

This really does say it all: https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2018/05/15/a-veterans-gaza-stream-of-consciousness-just-whatve-i-been-fighting-for/

Blogger James Dixon May 16, 2018 1:39 PM  

> James Dixon, jordan has already expelled the palis. Nobody wants those creeps.

I never said they did. I said they're Jordanians. Both are true.

> The orony of the enthusiasm with which Israel's most zealous supporters here favor a "Final Solution" for the "Palestinean problem" is both delicious and hilarious.

I don't "favor" anything wrt Israel. I merely analyze the situation. If Israel wants peace they have to expel or kill the Palestinians. Whether they do so or not is not my concern.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 16, 2018 1:56 PM  

@88

"This really does say it all:
https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2018/05/15/a-veterans-gaza-stream-of-consciousness-just-whatve-i-been-fighting-for/"

Not sure if he's actually a Major in the US Army or not. It's been a LONG time since I've seen an officer with hair that long. I mean, pictures look like they're out of the 1980's/early 90's."

Not saying he's a fake, but this needs more investigation as to who this person actually is.

Why he's writing that he takes personal responsibility ("blood on my hands") for the what happened in Gaza is beyond weird. Even for a hippy pretending to be an army officer.

Anonymous Anonymous May 16, 2018 1:59 PM  

The goal of these protests is to get into paradise. Dying as a martyr is an instant ticket to your 70 virgins, no matter what else you may have done (with the exception of being in debt).

Blogger John May 16, 2018 2:00 PM  

@1 To hell with the make believe palestinians. To hell with the fake country Gaza.

This whole conflict is bullshit. Israel should simply bulldoze the whole place. The only reason this conflict exists at all is because of idiots in other governments pressuring them into that stupid agreement in 1994. There is no Gaza. Gaza is Israel. The West Bank is Israel. 

This is no different than a bunch of mexicans claiming that LA is mexicana... and calling it their own country. 

Which of course.. is going to happen in the next 20 years.

Yep. It would be silly to condemn the Israelis when we're going to the same thing here, except 100 times worse, in a few years.

Blogger Elijah May 16, 2018 2:03 PM  

Jordan and other middle east countries expelled their criminals and created the so called Palestinians. in the mid 1800's the only people in the area were jews already starting to create Israel and some shepherds. there were no Palestinians. they are a fiction to help destroy Israel.

Blogger Frank Brady May 16, 2018 2:06 PM  

The appetite for Israeli boot leather among true believers is insatiable, apparently.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2018 2:17 PM  

Frank Brady wrote:The orony of the enthusiasm with which Israel's most zealous supporters here favor a "Final Solution" for the "Palestinean problem" is both delicious and hilarious.

It is always right to kill mohammedans. If we can get Israel to kill mohammedans for us, that goes a long way to justify all the money we have sent them.

If the Israelis become genuine, literally-Hitler Nazis in the process, that adds entertainment value. It's good to do the right thing, and it's better to be amused by it.

The only downside to this would be that the surrounding Arabs will probably be happy to be rid of their turbulent cousins.

Blogger Austin Ballast May 16, 2018 2:35 PM  

Jaime,

The Israel of the OT ceased to exist. Show me a bona fide prophet and I will change my mind. Of course, that will put Christianity in a quandry.

You may want to read the Bible I believe you claim to follow a bit more. Was Gabriel confused when He told Mary that Jesus would sit on the throne of David, as well as all the OT stuff about God regathering the Jews at some future point?

Or do you just waive that away too?

Read Romans a bit too. God is not done with the Jewish people, they are just blind for while, for the most part. They are dry bones that have been knit together most likely now, but they still have a future role.

How does that put Christianity into a quandary? They must still accept Jesus as their Messiah, which they will do at some point.

Blogger Austin Ballast May 16, 2018 2:37 PM  

Vox is wrong here too. Look at how well playing to media optics worked for South Africa. Suicide for its population.

I do agree that Israel needs to just eliminate those territories, absorb them and push the invaders out. Though none of the Arab nations wants them either, including Jordan. No such people existed, they are a recent modern fiction.

Blogger Quilp May 16, 2018 2:40 PM  

I just don't see "peaceful protest" benefitting both sides. How would I defend it, on free speech grounds? "peaceful protest", like everything else, has been corrupted by the left to mean their ability to gather in numbers (which they then tie to "our Democracy") to get their way- period.
What's to stop peaceful protesters from marching through the Vatican to put an end to its patriarchy, or Palestinians in the millions marching through Israel, or the gender fluid peaceful protesting in your daughter's middle school locker room.

This reminds me of immigration, so many people supposedly on the right start out framing the argument for the left by proclaiming they are FOR legal immigration, instead of just saying we don't need any more immigration period. Once you are for only legal immigration, then it becomes a matter of who you let in - discrimination, as far as the left is concerned.

If the left has totally taken over "protest" as a form of forcing government action when they can't do it winning elections, why should I automatically support that? If like many, I give it an almost mythical stature in our society, then all they need are very big numbers, and you can heap almighty "Democracy" on top of the sacred action of peaceful protest. Who needs elections when you can have direct action.

Blogger Quilp May 16, 2018 2:42 PM  

While I certainly don't agree with the cuck-world conclusion of this piece, the author does make some valid points about how the game is rigged. "Peaceful Protest is the Left's game - period

Blogger Quilp May 16, 2018 2:42 PM  

https://www.socialmatter.net/2016/04/05/right-wing-activism-always-fails/

Blogger synp May 16, 2018 2:46 PM  

International pressure on the Israeli government is just the icing on the cake. I don't believe that it is the purpose of these protests/riots/invasion. The purpose is to apply political pressure to the Arab regimes, especially Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

Those regimes share common goals with Israel, and are not terribly happy to have the Palestinian issue derail their efforts against Iran.

Just last month Mohammad bin Salman (Saudi crown prince) said the Palestinians should accept the peace proposal or just shut up. Egypt has kept its border with Gaza shut - all humanitarian aid comes through Israel as do water and electricity.

So with this, the Palestinians get to spread the narrative that the infidels are killing them, and this makes it politically difficult for Arab leaders to ally themselves with Israel. And this is working, too. The head of Hamas in Gaza has told Al Jazeera that they made a deal with Egypt to reduce the violence in the coming protests. He didn't specify what Egypt gives them in return, but a couple of hours later Egypt announced that relocating the embassy to Jerusalem may destabilize the region.

It's all part of the game - Iranian-aligned Hamas helping to destabilize the anti-Iran coalition.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 16, 2018 3:22 PM  

Elijah wrote:in the mid 1800's the only people in the area were jews already starting to create Israel and some shepherds. there were no Palestinians. they are a fiction to help destroy Israel.
This is a deliberate lie.

Blogger Frank Brady May 16, 2018 3:27 PM  

Elijah wrote:
in the mid 1800's the only people in the area were jews already starting to create Israel and some shepherds. there were no Palestinians. they are a fiction to help destroy Israel.

Totally false.

Blogger JohnG May 16, 2018 3:50 PM  

Considering there were villages within a couple kilometers of the fence, the IDF didn't have a lot of choice in the matter. Hamas set this up with express purpose of taking casualties. Jihadis use human shields because their effective for negative PR.

@48 Jordan has Palestinian refugee camps, they're no-go zones to US forces and guarded.

@80 The writer is full of crap. There's no such thing as "proportionality". Our doctrine is a 3 to 1 advantage when possible. We kill single individuals with 500lb bombs. There was a target (mid level insurgent leader, the high level guys never leave Pakistan) in Afghanistan when I was there the year before last who'd dodged being killed for 10 years. We caught him walking with a couple buddies in the foothills one day and sent a gun ship after them. The only thing that was left were warm chunks - all on full motion video.

Blogger Jew613 May 16, 2018 4:20 PM  

Vox, Bibi's response to the Zerg Rush is viewed positively by most Israelis, or as not strong enough. His government is in no danger of falling, its actually been strengthened. Yeah, there's international pressure, and water is wet. Giving in to international pressure always results in one thing, lots of dead Jews.

The AltRight wants their own ethnostates, I think you should have them. But you must also realize that when you do, or when you take the actions necessary to set up those states the entire world will be against you. All the media will be portraying you as villains, everyone will condemn you. If you want your people to live, none of that can matter. Its better to have an ethnostate hated by the whole world, then a graveyard that's loved by it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2018 4:31 PM  

Jew613 wrote:Its better to have an ethnostate hated by the whole world, then a graveyard that's loved by it.

Yes.

Look at the slow-motion genocide in South Africa and tell me that we should worry about international opinion.

Blogger Frank Lee May 16, 2018 4:32 PM  

"The Turks have expelled the Israeli ambassador. China has expressed serious concern. Russia has condemned the "indiscriminate" nature of the thousands of shootings. The UK government has urged restraint."

Basically, business as usual for the Israelis. How could there have not been protests, in fact, massive protests, given that the Arab world (and it's billion or so Muslim supporters) declared that if the US moved their embassy there would be huge protests? How could have not been protests in Gaza in particular. (Strangely, by all reports there has not been much from the West Bank.)

Presumably, your argument is that the Israelis should have been better prepared to deal with massive protests with non-violent techniques (water cannons?) that would have momentarily pushed them back without killing anyone. What good would that have done other than empower the protesters to come back and try again?

But what if the Israeli's had a different plan. To use the mass protests to kill off Hamas leaders who where hoping to lay back while others got shot. What if they targeted top Hamas officers during the chaos and killed them? It would kind of look a lot what happened. And long term, taking out Hamas leaders would be a more effective war strategy. (Like blowing the shit out of every Iranian position in Syria the minute the Irans try to send some rockets over to "protest" the end of their nuclear deal.)

And, I think Thomas Wictor might even be correct that the Israeli's had secret Arab support in taking out the Hamas teams. We shall see. If Wictor is right, the Iranian government is going to fall sometime soon.

Blogger Jew613 May 16, 2018 4:35 PM  

The Arabs need to be expelled, they are a cancer in our midst. I truly wish them well, elsewhere.

But on the Gaza Zerg Rush, Hamas has admitted that of the 62 killed, 50 were in Hamas, that's a pretty good combatant to human shield ratio. Truth on Gaza

Of course that's assuming the "dead" are truly dead. Dead martyr's nose itches.

Say what you will about the conflict, the Arab habit of over the top lying, getting caught, and continuing to lie is pretty funny. Not just against the Jews, think of the white hats in Syria and there repeated rescues of the same "victims". What's not funny is how the Western media goes along with what they know to be bs. I actually used to be in that business, and the foreign journalists are pretty open they know they are lying to advance one Arab cause or another, but if they refuse they wont be able to get coverage.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 16, 2018 4:47 PM  

Jew613 wrote:The Arabs need to be expelled, they are a cancer in our midst. I truly wish them well, elsewhere.

From your lips to God's ears. I hope you all are ready to help us by providing a place for a cancer in our midst ...

Blogger VD May 16, 2018 6:23 PM  

in the mid 1800's the only people in the area were jews already starting to create Israel and some shepherds. there were no Palestinians. they are a fiction to help destroy Israel.

That's a complete lie. There were 266,000 Arab Palestinians and about 5,000 Jews. There were eight times more Christians than Jews in the Holy Land then.

Don't ever try to lie about history here. Far too many people know the relevant facts.

Blogger VD May 16, 2018 6:29 PM  

Presumably, your argument is that the Israelis should have been better prepared to deal with massive protests with non-violent techniques (water cannons?) that would have momentarily pushed them back without killing anyone. What good would that have done other than empower the protesters to come back and try again?

You guys are completely missing the point because you have never read Martin van Creveld. Israel is degrading the IDF with these tactics. There is a direct connection between the IDF being used to quell the Intifada and the Golani Brigade being forced to retreat from Hezbollah in 2006.

Which is why I said Israel should develop a militarized police force that is not part of the IDF to deal with these things and leave the IDF out of it entirely. Use the military as cops long enough and they lose the proper military mindset.

Blogger Jew613 May 16, 2018 7:30 PM  

VD wrote:Presumably, your argument is that the Israelis should have been better prepared to deal with massive protests with non-violent techniques (water cannons?) that would have momentarily pushed them back without killing anyone. What good would that have done other than empower the protesters to come back and try again?

You guys are completely missing the point because you have never read Martin van Creveld. Israel is degrading the IDF with these tactics. There is a direct connection between the IDF being used to quell the Intifada and the Golani Brigade being forced to retreat from Hezbollah in 2006.

Which is why I said Israel should develop a militarized police force that is not part of the IDF to deal with these things and leave the IDF out of it entirely. Use the military as cops long enough and they lose the proper military mindset.


We have that, its the border police. Jerusalem used the IDF this time because of the scale of the event. Normally the Border Police would have been used, they are usually very effective at quelling issues with minimal death. The situation was too big for them this time.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira May 16, 2018 7:58 PM  

You'd think a guy like Netanyahu would know a little more about 4th gen warfare. Maybe he thinks this is excusable.

Blogger SirHamster May 16, 2018 9:20 PM  

VD wrote:Use the military as cops long enough and they lose the proper military mindset.

Military -> Close with and destroy the enemy; aggression
Police -> Keep order and protect property; preservation

Blogger Frank Lee May 16, 2018 9:21 PM  

"You guys are completely missing the point because you have never read Martin van Creveld. Israel is degrading the IDF with these tactics."

Maybe you should read William Tecumseh Sherman. "War is hell." It's pure speculation that more of a police action, rather than a military action, against the protest would have resulted in better PR. Little the Israel's do isn't criticized. (Remember, they pulled out of Gaza and got basically nothing in return but more attacks.)

At this point, it's also speculation that the bad PR from this event will have any long term effect on the Israel's already incredibly difficult place in the world. (Remember, it's already fighting boycotts and terrorist attacks and more than one country and organization demand it be wiped from the face of the Earth.)

However, getting rid of 50 Hamas terrorists in one quick action might have some long term effects on Hamas. And standing very tough against attempts to invade it might have a long term effect. And seeing the USA president ignore all the bad press and cries of injustice might make the Palestinian leadership realize that they can't win by simply throwing children out to be killed because it makes the Israelis look bad in the world press.

Let's not forget that North Korea went back to the negotiating table because it was clear that Trump was willing to risk nuclear war rather than back down.

Sherman advocated total war, destroying your enemies desire and ability to fight. Killing a bunch of Hamas leaders might be a good step in that direction.

I haven't read Crevaid but I do know he clearly didn't solve Israel's long term military problems with the Palestinians. Sherman did a pretty good job of wiping out the Confederacy. That might be the way to go with Hamas.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 16, 2018 9:33 PM  

Good grief!
The name. The name of current Israel's prophet is?

Blogger JohnDG May 16, 2018 11:03 PM  

@116
Perhaps this quote from Heinrich Heine would clarify that, "Money is the god of the jews and Rothschild is his prophet".

Blogger VD May 17, 2018 5:11 AM  

We have that, its the border police. Jerusalem used the IDF this time because of the scale of the event. Normally the Border Police would have been used, they are usually very effective at quelling issues with minimal death. The situation was too big for them this time.

Then you need a bigger border police force. The point is that the military should never be called into any situation where it is leashed. If driving the enemy permanently off the battlefield is not the objective, leave them out of it.

Blogger Yakov Merkin May 17, 2018 10:00 AM  

This I definitely agree with. That's been the problem with all of the recent "operations" in Gaza and I'd say the 2006 Lebanon War as well. The government's objective wasn't to completely defeat the enemy, and thus the military was unable to do what had to be done. We saw the result in 2006, and with the Gaza conflicts the army is just used to bloody Hamas, then leave. The problem is never being solved. Treating a short-term symptom by not excising the disease itself. It mainly comes down to poor leadership at the highest level, which is at least in part motivated by worry of what the world will say--though as we see, the world will attack us no matter what we do.

Blogger rudie May 17, 2018 5:15 PM  

This is what happens when Israel is not allowed to win in hope that even victories will eventually exhaust Jews. Hamas does not care about arabs and sacrifices them in hope that Jew-hating nations turn on Israel. Which of course they do. This passion of amalekites for human sacrifice is so old. It was practiced at the time of Canaan and it is the same now. "If you don't force out all the people there, they will be like splinters in your eyes and thorns in your back. They will always be trouble for you.." So much time passed but old wisdom is timeless. I'm afraid Trump will softened BN and senseless bloody peace process which is equivalent of final solution will be resumed again.

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