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Monday, May 28, 2018

The fork in the road

Bruce Charlton has an epiphany while reviewing a book:
There is a lesson to be learned here. Lachman's previous stance was broadly 'agnostic' - at least, that was the perspective from which his books were written. He seems like a decent kind of man, worked hard, wrote clearly, did useful stuff...

Yet it was always clear that Lachman shared the mainstream 'anything but Christianity' kind of reflexive leftist/ progressive/ pro-sexual revolution perspective... which is all-but universal among those active in the perennialist, spiritual, esoteric, neo-pagan, self-help, personal development world.

Here and now, this agnostic stance of suspended judgement is non-viable: things have come to a point; because of the pervasive domination of New Left/ Political Correctness in all major social institutions everyone is incrementally being brought to a fork in the path, a decision yes or no.

I see this all around me. We live in a world of spiritual warfare. It cannot be hidden from, choice cannot be evaded. We cannot 'keep our heads down' because everyone is located and they must stand-up and raise their hands (and voices) to endorse and promote the current, evolving Leftist totalitarian narrative in all its respects - or else...
This is why I pay very little attention to atheists, agnostics, and pagans who believe they are opposed to globalism. Their belief is sincere, but they simply don't understand the true nature of the war that presently engulfs Man. Despite their intentions, I expect that many, not most of them, will ultimately gravitate to the other side when push comes to shove.

Because, at the end of the day, you must either bend the knee to Jesus Christ or to the Prince of this World. You will be forced to choose a side and there will be a price. Standing proudly on your own is an illusion and it was never an option.

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

One is always well-served by paying attention to Mr. Charlton's observations. He correctly saw through Jordan Peterson as well.
It is all very well for me to call Jordan Peterson an antichrist, and to warn people off taking seriously someone who is a merely a psychotherapist, left-libertarian, atheist... but the rejoinder is that 'who else' is there in the modern world getting mainstream coverage that is talking as much common sense?

And the answer is: nobody. Nobody else who has comparable fame and impact is any better than Jordan Peterson  - and yet Jordan Peterson is qualitatively inadequate for the needs of this time: he is a waste of time, a blind alley, a red herring; thus, in our state-of-emergency - he does more harm than good...

For people to regard JP as a significant thinker is evidence that they have no idea of the severity of the situation here and now.  They have no idea of the pervasiveness and depth of corruption in a society that officially advocates and enforces moral and aesthetic inversion; which punishes truth and systematically generates an interlocking structure of lies. We are in a very bad way indeed - advanced en route to self-chosen damnation on a mass scale.

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Blogger Lyon May 28, 2018 1:04 PM  

This is a very timely message to get out. Thank you!

Blogger Looking Glass May 28, 2018 1:26 PM  

"Truth bombs for midwits" is something the "Conservatives" have so prevented from being established that it's pretty clear that is one of the ways they operate as controlled opposition.

Blogger Cecil Henry May 28, 2018 1:32 PM  

Peterson has been silent on the Tommy Robinson imprisonment.

Very disappointing. Unless you're a globalist I guess.

Blogger Lyon May 28, 2018 1:33 PM  

The Bruce Charlton article, in its entirety, should be required reading, for our kind at any rate.

And to be transparently clear, our kind being those aligning with Logos, God, the Trinity. John 1:1

https://infogalactic.com/info/Logos_(Christianity)

Blogger Mark Stoval May 28, 2018 1:34 PM  

For people to regard JP as a significant thinker is evidence that they have no idea of the severity of the situation here and now. They have no idea of the pervasiveness and depth of corruption in a society that officially advocates and enforces moral and aesthetic inversion; which punishes truth and systematically generates an interlocking structure of lies. We are in a very bad way indeed - advanced en route to self-chosen damnation on a mass scale.

It has been the most disappointing thing in my life to learn that people did NOT want to hear the truth. They just want to hear want makes them feel good. I guess it is just that the father of lies rules this world right now.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 28, 2018 1:48 PM  

That's a very pertinent article. Thanks, SDL.

He also touches on a point that might relate further to JBP, as well, when he mentions the previously smart, hard-working, rigorous worker-in-his-field who suddenly becomes sloppy and vague, casting about endlessly for murky prevarications where once was penetrating insight.

Yes, a decision has been made and the clear-minded see its effects very clearly even as it blinds the errant decision-maker.

Blogger Lyon May 28, 2018 1:49 PM  

@5 Mark Stoval, your quote from the article is solid and your comments on it I can appreciate at a profound level.

Blogger OGRE May 28, 2018 1:49 PM  

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1 John 4:1-3

Blogger Nathan May 28, 2018 1:52 PM  

As G.K. Chesterton prophetically wrote, Christianity is the religion of man at the crossroads, as shown by the symbol of the Cross.

The choice is now.

Blogger Al K. Annossow May 28, 2018 1:52 PM  

'anything but Christianity'

Aside from being based on revelation from God, Christianity's teachings about living a virtuous life with others have much depth spanning centuries to explain why there is much wisdom contained within its commandments. The truth is accessible at all levels of interest and ability to understand.

With morals based on the recent news and academic narratives, going back even just a decade gives you a conflicting set of 'wisdom.' A new thought leader needs to be created for each new commandment generated by Progressives. That frequent change is why they need kids in more years of school and why the media has to propagate the continually changing 'wisdom.' Stay home. Watch TV. Your living room is the new re-education camp.

I don't know how, but I want to find ways to rebuild 'Social Capital' which gets people involved with others, in person, and which has greatly declined. Church is an obvious part of social capital, but other activities, interests, and clubs also help.

Blogger mostly dead May 28, 2018 2:00 PM  

It doesn't surprise me that Lachman's books is so poor, given that it was obviously written to cash in on the Left's ongoing hysteria. These anti-Trump books are a genre on themselves, and they sell like hotcakes. Heck, see how publisher jump onto them and invest good bucks into marketing and audiobooks no matter how obscure the author is or how our there his particular angle on anti-Trumpism.

As for Lachman himself, "anything but Christianity" nails him perfectly. An exemplar of all that is wrong with the current esoteric/underground spirituality schoolars. Not that he knows really anything of Christianity other than a phantom strawman made by its opponents on his side.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 28, 2018 2:01 PM  

The wonderful and terrible thing is that no one is irredeemable, even after selling his soul. Have recently read Marlowe's Faustus. Faustus at the very end knows that even now he can repent and be saved, yet chooses damnation. He had to be himself.

Pride will be the downfall of many. A temptation beyond even the lures of this world.

Blogger LP999-16 May 28, 2018 2:01 PM  

8 And the Lord said many will come...

Meaning its just another self help figure passing thru as there were many before some good some bad, few of Christ.

Blogger mostly dead May 28, 2018 2:05 PM  

BTW, go on this book's Amazon page and keep scrolling trough "also bought", Maps on Meaning is right up there. Just something I thought would amuse you.

Blogger RobertT May 28, 2018 2:11 PM  

Had Trump not come along, the game would already be over. They would be rounding us up and shipping us to the Gulag. I hate to say it, but if Q isn't right, we are all in for a very though ride.

Blogger RobertT May 28, 2018 2:12 PM  

"tough ride"

Blogger 357Delta May 28, 2018 2:14 PM  

I highly recommend The Other Worldview: Exposing Christianity's Greatest Threat by Peter Jones on this topic. He makes a very good case that it's not just Jesus or something else, but rather there are only two views which are Jesus or some sort of oneness belief, whether materialism or pantheism.

In addition you can see path from Jung to Peterson (Peterson is not mentioned but you can see where his beliefs come from) and most of postmodern thought has been shaped by Jung and his occult spiritualism.

If you scratch a secularist you'll find an occult spiritualist underneath every single time.

Blogger pyrrhus May 28, 2018 2:17 PM  

Some day, people will understand that Jesus (but not the Churchian imitators) was the ultimate anti-Globalist.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box May 28, 2018 2:46 PM  

PSEUDAEO-Christianity (gynocentric spiritualism i.e: the Roman CULT & its dispensational, pseudoprotestant pantheon) is N0t Biblical, therefore cannot be of Christ...lest we forget.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box May 28, 2018 2:47 PM  

Amen, brother...PREACH!

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 28, 2018 2:59 PM  

I think that sums up the Peterson phenom.
Entire generations were indoctrinated into the religion of Semitical Correctness and the Seven Deadly Sins. Many individuals sense it is wrong, but on top of most people being thoughtless conformists, they are afraid of being punished as heretics and terrified of aligning in any way with "far-right racist nazi Bible-thumbing fundamentalist Christian zealots" because all those are the embodiment of ultimate evil - Hitlerian Intolerance. So every degenerate perversion is celebrated, while hatred & discrimination against White Christian man is encouraged.

Now they have a new hero that gives a feeling of standing up against the insanity without being guilty of hatism.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 28, 2018 3:03 PM  

Galt-in-Da-Box wrote:the Roman CULT & its dispensational, pseudoprotestant pantheon
The drugs must be good over there.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma May 28, 2018 3:15 PM  

Ledford Ledford wrote:The wonderful and terrible thing is that no one is irredeemable, even after selling his soul.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 28, 2018 3:23 PM  

They pushed the priests with their robes out. Ushered in scientists with their lab coats and made a horror of the world.

Blogger Redpill Angel May 28, 2018 3:33 PM  

All occult writing ultimately boils down to hating Jesus. I still plan to read Lachman's book, but of course, Lachman was never one of the good guys. My hope was finding some corroboration of my intuitions about Trump and his mindset: as an acquaintance said, her voice filled with wonder, to a group of distraught, weeping women the day after the election, "Trump knows how to change reality."

Blogger Redpill Angel May 28, 2018 3:35 PM  

And she was directly referencing The Magician tarot card. I believe she mentioned the one arm up, one down pose as a stance she had observed Trump take.

Blogger artensoll May 28, 2018 3:42 PM  

Thank you for the introduction to Bruce Charlton. It is a struggle to find smart, Christian men writing truth in the UK.

Blogger Temet Nosce May 28, 2018 3:52 PM  

Could someone direct me to Vox's best arguments for the existence of the creator God, or Christ? I enjoyed his debate for the evidence of the existence of gods, but was disappointed to discover he has not yet published any books creating a case for Christ.

Blogger Azimus May 28, 2018 4:08 PM  

One of the most memorable parts of Lewis's "That Hideous Strength" for me, was the short, even passing dialogue with Merlin when he half lamented that the neutral ground was shrinking and he was being forced to take sides. The ultimate red pill/blue pill... your own individual thoughts on the state of the world are increasingly irrelevant: there is The King and the rebels - which side are you on boys?

Blogger Lyon May 28, 2018 4:10 PM  

@28

Aristotle said philosophy begins with wonder.

St. Augustine (Aurelius Augustinus) leaned heavy on Isaiah 7:9, "Unless you believe, you shall not understand."

If you start with wonder, its rather easy to find a proof for the existence of God.

From there, it comes to a belief that leads to understanding.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2018 4:23 PM  

@27- Read Charlton's book Thought Prison. I cannot recommend it often enough.

Blogger RA May 28, 2018 4:30 PM  

Ephesians 6:10-20, especially 6:12. Need to know who our real opponents are.

Blogger Unknown May 28, 2018 4:33 PM  

You're quoting Mt 10:34-36 AND trying to peddle worldly identity politics AND taking the moral high ground wrt JBP. That's quite a high wire act.

In the Mt10 speech, Jesus was commanding his disciples to go into their own people and divide their nation into those who follow him and those who don't. His identity politic was not race-based, color-based, IQ-based or SMV-based. It was, and is still faith-in-him-as-Savior-of-the-world-based.

Do not love the world or the things that belong to the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. For everything that belongs to the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of one’s life—is not from the Father, but is from the world.

All who identify with the worldly powers are on one side of the room. All the Christians are on the other. The Mt10 sword was for the protection of those who identify with him.

Might even separate the two class clowns, but we'll see in a minute...

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2018 4:50 PM  

We live in a strict who/whom world, and there's definitely a spiritual aspect to that. Even if there's no such thing as spirit, though I assume there is.

It's perfectly appropriate to consider as enemies not merely those opposed to Christianity but those undecided or lukewarm about it. Just as you might draw lines about the National Question or Race Realism or the Jewish Question.

It wasn't long ago, all things considered, that any form of unbelief kept you out of polite society.

Blogger weka May 28, 2018 4:54 PM  

@unkown. Thank you for your converged concern.

Consider this: when Christ comes, he will judge the nation's and rule with a rod of iron.

The faux unity of this time is the old heresy of Babylon. Christ called those who followed such in his day -- the Sadducees -- vipers.

I call you wormtounge. Piss off and peddle your poison elsewhere.

Blogger Tzizenorec May 28, 2018 4:56 PM  

Mostly true, but the dichotomy "Jesus Christ or the Prince of this World" is confusingly stated, because Jesus is an imitation of Prometheus that instead leads to Jehovah, and this world was historically ruled by Prometheus but has recently been ruled by Jehovah. So, while it is true that there is a dichotomy, this statement of that dichotomy makes it quite hard to tell which side is which!

This is arguably an example of framing a dichotomy so that both sides point back to the same source - which is a very old and frequently-used technique. I think republicans vs. democrats is the archetypical example in our time and culture.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 28, 2018 4:58 PM  

Unknown wrote:All who identify with the worldly powers are on one side of the room. All the Christians are on the other. The Mt10 sword was for the protection of those who identify with him.


A sword is not a defensive weapon.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2018 4:58 PM  

Tzizenoric,

You left out some consonants. And some brain cells.

Blogger SciVo May 28, 2018 5:14 PM  

It is all very well for me to call Jordan Peterson an antichrist, and to warn people off taking seriously someone who is a merely a psychotherapist, left-libertarian, atheist...

I had a seven-year sojourn as an agnostic civil libertarian, and one of the discoveries that I brought back from it is that left-libertarianism is a mortal impossibility. The power to help in our name is the power to coerce us -- aid without coercion is called "private charity" and needs no government -- and those who will receive that power are the absolute worst sorts to get it: humans.

Redpill Angel wrote:All occult writing ultimately boils down to hating Jesus.

My dad was an OG hippie and really into Eastern religions back in the day, and growing up he told me that they ultimately all boil down to one of two things: that Jesus was just a man, or that we are all gods. I noticed that heathens are ubiquitously the same that way -- not just Indian gurus -- and so it's the heuristic that I use to distinguish between a heresy and a doctrinal quibble. YMMV

Blogger R Webfoot May 28, 2018 5:55 PM  

"Peterson has been silent on the Tommy Robinson imprisonment.

Very disappointing. Unless you're a globalist I guess."

I am sure his council of advisors that watches everything he says and gives feedback would be very upset if he did.

Blogger tublecane May 28, 2018 6:01 PM  

About Jordan Peterson being an antichrist, his devotion to Holocaustianity has been well-discussed here. As someone who believes in the power of myths and other kinds of storytelling gto reveal and pass on truth, as well as to tap into the collective unconscious or whatever, his obsession with 20th-century real-life dystopia is odd. That is, considering the signal failure of the Holocaust to have inspired great art. Some good stuff, perhaps. But not very much.

Which can be blamed on the sorry state of high and popular art in the 20th century, as well as the generally trashy culture in which we live. But maybe it's the subject-matter itself. The banality of totalitarian evil, you might say. Good enough for some masterpieces like 1984,but nothing compared to the Greatest Story Ever Told.

The point I'm getting to is why would a guy like Peterson save his most powerful emotional punches for Nazicommie stuff when he knows the power of religious myth? Those stories are at ready to be exploited, and his acolytes still live in a culture based on Christianity, even if they're not aware of it.

For instance, he's always playing the "What would you do if you were an S.S. officer at a concentration camp?" game. The answer being you'd probably do what you're told. Why not ask, rather, what would you have done were you in the crowd that witnessed Jesus carrying the cross to Calvary? In the opera Parsifal, Wagner features a character who was cursed for having laughed at the suffering Christ. Would I have laughed or cheered the Romans on? That's a much more interesting question to me then whether I would have participated in the Holocaust.

That the Holocaust rather than the Passion is so dang meaningful to men like Peterson is a key to their personality.

Blogger artensoll May 28, 2018 6:08 PM  

31. Tublecane "Read Charlton's book Thought Prison. I cannot recommend it often enough."

Thank you, I will.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 28, 2018 6:18 PM  

"The drugs must be good over there."

I think he's talking about the "Our Mother who art in heaven..." crowd, Snidely.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 28, 2018 6:35 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:I think he's talking about the "Our Mother who art in heaven..." crowd, Snidely.
I think he can get away with blatant falsehoods because so many protestants won't call him on them.

Blogger VD May 28, 2018 6:41 PM  

You're quoting Mt 10:34-36 AND trying to peddle worldly identity politics AND taking the moral high ground wrt JBP. That's quite a high wire act.

Not at all. You're conflating domains, just like the Churchians do.

Blogger James Dixon May 28, 2018 6:45 PM  

> In the Mt10 speech, Jesus was commanding his disciples to go into their own people and divide their nation into those who follow him and those who don't. His identity politic was not race-based, color-based, IQ-based or SMV-based. It was, and is still faith-in-him-as-Savior-of-the-world-based.

And yet he did command them to go unto their own people and not the world at large. And strangely enough he didn't command them to mix them all together when done.

Why one would almost think he considered the individual nations of men a good thing.

Blogger James Dixon May 28, 2018 6:52 PM  

The title of this post brings to mind one of the great English poems: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44272/the-road-not-taken

Blogger S1AL May 28, 2018 6:55 PM  

"And yet he did command them to go unto their own people and not the world at large."

Only if you ignore the rest of scripture.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 28, 2018 7:28 PM  

Nice dodge, set the sense of Scripture against the words of Scripture.

Blogger VD May 28, 2018 7:47 PM  

the dichotomy "Jesus Christ or the Prince of this World" is confusingly stated

Not even a little bit. Who do you think Jesus Christ meant when he said "now the Prince of this World is coming to kill me?"

They are very much not the same persona, figure, or entity.

Blogger James Dixon May 28, 2018 7:52 PM  

> Only if you ignore the rest of scripture.

That was a group command, not an individual one. He expected each individual to reach out to his own people first, and only then to branch out as needed.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 28, 2018 7:56 PM  

"I think he can get away with blatant falsehoods because so many protestants won't call him on them."

I couldn't parse the vomit as well as you, apparently.

Either that or my pimp hand is just weak.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 28, 2018 7:59 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:I couldn't parse the vomit as well as you, apparently.


Long, long practice. It's just a conflation of a dozen different insults based on an absolute ignorance of actual Catholic theology, combined with listening to hate-filled preachers similarly afflicted with combined ignorance and unjustified confidence in their own intellectual ability.

Blogger Starboard May 28, 2018 10:24 PM  

47. James Dixon

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim
Because it was grassy and wanted wear,
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I,
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference


The two roads in the wood were almost the same, and saying that he took the one less travelled was self aggrandizement. I also think his choice had more to do with career paths or vocations. The choice the leftists face is rather more stark and more vital.

29 Azimus. The neutral ground is shrinking indeed. Doesn't Screwtape talk about ages of apathy and ages of division. Can we get much more divided than this?

Blogger CM May 28, 2018 11:02 PM  

I have grown increasingly wary of atheist "conservatives" of late.

They set off alarm bells and are increasingly dictatorial to traditionalist Christians. I find my reaction triples if they are gay and atheist.

Blogger Robert May 28, 2018 11:03 PM  

These quotes by themselves are fine, but Charlton thinks Jesus was married twice, the King James version is inspired and that the Book of Mormon is inspired. This seems like how Vox quoted an LGBT apologist a few days ago because he criticized Peterson. Nothing wrong with criticizing Peterson, but why be so desperate for fellow critics you quote SJWs and heretics?

comment here for belief Book of Mormon: https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-king-james-bible-is-not-translation.html

here for belief in multiple marriages of Jesus: https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/05/resolving-apparent-inconsistencies.html

Blogger CM May 28, 2018 11:08 PM  

This is why I pay very little attention to atheists, agnostics, and pagans who believe they are opposed to globalism. Their belief is sincere, but they simply don't understand the true nature of the war that presently engulfs Man. Despite their intentions, I expect that many, not most of them, will ultimately gravitate to the other side when push comes to shove.

It's interesting to see nationalism vs globalism presented as solely a theological problem - not politics, but theology.

As politics, there's room for disagreement without walking away from Christ. As theology, its choosing sides with God on one and Hell on the other.

I have tried to make this argument for why evangelicals like Trump... but the eschatology is so foreign to so many (even cultural christians) that they don't really know how to react.

It's hard to write about it without sounding insane, too.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2018 1:22 AM  

@57- It may sound insane, but of course lots of people reflexively categorize evangelicals as insane anyway.

Those people are weird about Israel, and right now Trump may be the most loved American in Israel. Simply recognizing Jerusalem as the capital has actual End Times significance for a lot of people.

Blogger Mocheirge May 29, 2018 9:46 AM  

tublecane wrote:considering the signal failure of the Holocaust to have inspired great art. Some good stuff, perhaps.

It produced a nifty statue of Nyarlathotep in Philadelphia: https://bluenosetraveler.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/img_0085.jpg

Blogger Peter Gent May 29, 2018 10:10 AM  

Starboard wrote:29 Azimus. The neutral ground is shrinking indeed. Doesn't Screwtape talk about ages of apathy and ages of division. Can we get much more divided than this?

C.S. Lewis argued in his space Trilogy (Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, The Hideous Strength) that as the end approached the gray (which in the past was the largest and most inhabited segment) would begin to disappear, eventually leaving only black and while, for or against as Jesus argued. It is in service to the coming judgement since as one stands before Jesus, there is no longer any gray, only black or white, yes or no.

That is one of the reasons why I always thought reincarnation to be stupid. When there is in the end only a binary choice, the odds never change no matter how many chances you get.

Blogger Redpill Angel May 29, 2018 11:54 AM  

Lachman's book is now on my Kindle, and just reading the preface I can clearly see where the author is going: Theosophist Gandhi was Left Wing (has he no knowledge of some of Gandhi's associates secret alignments during WWII?) and therefore Good, Chaos Magician Trump Right Wing and Bad. Ha. But I have also learned that Steve Bannon is a big fan of Julius Evola!! It is this kind of tidbit that makes Lachman fun to read. But coming here for the last year allows me to read with a lot more discernment. Thanks.

Blogger mostly dead May 29, 2018 1:23 PM  

"But I have also learned that Steve Bannon is a big fan of Julius Evola!! It is this kind of tidbit that makes Lachman fun to read."

"Big Fan" is stretching it, to put it lightly, and the fact that Lachman pushed that myth right int he opening kinda confirms Mr. Charlton's evaluation of his latest.
Counter-Currents touched on the alleged Evola-Bannon connection some time ago, there is surprisingly little to it:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/05/what-would-evola-do/

"I have to address this briefly, as it became the source of a lot of annoying rumors. As much as I would like to believe that the White House Chief of Staff is an Evolian, an objective look at the facts quickly dispels this idea. It’s true that Bannon mentioned Evola once in passing in a talk he gave to the Vatican in 2014 where he was speaking about “the global tea party movement,” but to read any significance into it is really making a mountain out of a molehill. Here is everything Bannon has ever said about Evola publicly:

When Vladimir Putin, when you really look at some of the underpinnings of some of his beliefs today, a lot of those come from what I call Eurasianism; he’s got an advisor [Alexander Dugin] who hearkens back to Julius Evola and different writers of the early twentieth century who are really the supporters of what’s called the traditionalist movement, which really eventually metastasized into Italian Fascism. A lot of people that are traditionalists are attracted to that.

All this proves is that Bannon has heard of Evola. It no more indicates that Bannon is a traditionalist than Obama referencing Mao in passing means that he is a Maoist. And it isn’t even an accurate statement, since it certainly can’t be said that traditionalism led to Fascism, as it didn’t even exist prior to the advent of Fascism in Italy in 1922, so clearly Bannon doesn’t even have a good understanding of it, nor is he speaking of it favorably.

Bannon went on to say:

One of the reasons is that they [the traditionalists] believe that at least Putin is standing up for traditional institutions, and he’s trying to do it in a form of nationalism – and I think that people, particularly in certain countries, want to see the sovereignty for their country, they want to see nationalism for their country. . . I’m not justifying Vladimir Putin and the kleptocracy that he represents, because he eventually is the state capitalist of kleptocracy. However, we, the Judeo-Christian West, really have to look at what he’s talking about as far as traditionalism goes – particularly the sense of where it supports the underpinnings of nationalism – and I happen to think that the individual sovereignty of a country is a good thing and a strong thing.

What he said is a bit confusing, since he’s equating Evola and traditionalism with Fascism, and then in turn with Putin, which is pretty ridiculous in itself, but it seems that what he means by “tradition” is “family values” and conservative canards of that sort which wax lyrical about the wonders of the 1950s or the nineteenth century (or I guess these days even the 1980s, which, as an American in his 40s who lived through Reagan’s America, is still baffling to me). What Evola meant by capital-T Tradition was something very different from the lower case-t traditions so beloved by conservatives, but I’ll get into that later.

So really, given that this is the sole reference to Evola that Bannon has ever made, while he is most likely the first major American political figure who has even heard of Evola, it’s nevertheless pretty clear that Evola doesn’t have any real significance for him, and still less for Trump. "

Blogger Redpill Angel May 29, 2018 1:57 PM  

mostly dead, thank you for the references. I should have known Lachman would exaggerate, and I might have made too much of it anyway. It's an interesting read, but obviously everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.

Blogger tublecane May 29, 2018 4:46 PM  

About Bannon and Evola, it's pretty much the same as Bannon mentioning Camp of the Saints. It doesn't matter if he's even e read either. Simply being aware of their existence is proof of Nazism in the Leftist mind.

There is such a thing as Forbidden Knowledge on the supposedly open-minded left. They're allowed to know things if they are academics, for instance, and have the proper credentials and clearances. But some journalist-cum-political advisor? What business has he name-dropping prohibited literature?

Blogger Peter Gent May 30, 2018 6:07 AM  

Redpill Angel wrote:mostly dead, thank you for the references. I should have known Lachman would exaggerate, and I might have made too much of it anyway. It's an interesting read, but obviously everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
How about a block of salt, double dosed?

Blogger dumnonia-watchman May 30, 2018 4:52 PM  

Hello Vox.

You almost certainly don't realise that Bruce Charlton is exactly as bad as Peterson. In fact he's worse, he's a Mormon, he's a fanboy of an older version of Peterson too, and he's leading many astray.

He runs a blog dedicated to Owen Barfield, a British nutjob philosopher, who used to write exactly the same sort of nonsense as Peterson, here's an example from his Infogalactic page:



'In our critical thinking as physicists or philosophers, we imagine ourselves set over against an objective world consisting of particles, in which we do not participate at all. In contrast, the phenomenal, or familiar, world is said to be riddled with our subjectivity. In our daily, uncritical thinking, on the other hand, we take for granted the solid, objective reality of the familiar world, assume an objective, lawful manifestation of its qualities such as color, sound, and solidity, and even write natural scientific treatises about the history of its phenomena—all while ignoring the human consciousness that (by our own, critical account) determines these phenomena from the inside in a continually changing way.[18]

The particle world of physics is independent of human thought, and only indirectly accessible to humans. The world we see and perceive directly is dependent on and alterable by human thought (this is not to say there aren't or are limits.) Both are 'real' or 'unreal' depending on the meaning of real; that this changes over time in human thought is exactly Barfield's point.'

These deceivers think our thoughts can change physical reality, very similar to Peterson's nonsense.

I wrote a blog post about is, as a warning to people not to be duped:

http://watchman-westandwales.blogspot.com/2018/05/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruits.html

Up to you if you want to highlight the lies and hypocrisy that surround us all, some of your readers have made approving comments over there (me included, before I realised what they were up to)and how satan uses his troops in-fighting to try to fool us.

Blogger kapy53 May 30, 2018 11:20 PM  

Peterson is, maybe unintentionally, leading people to Orthodox Christianity. Pray that he follows his follows into the arms of Christ.

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