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Saturday, June 23, 2018

A glorious cultural heritage

That's what I tell SJWs before they make their architectural contributions to my abode. I like to think that it helps them feel a part of something bigger than themselves:
Some conquistadors wrote about the tzompantli and its towers, estimating that the rack alone contained 130,000 skulls. But historians and archaeologists knew the conquistadors were prone to exaggerating the horrors of human sacrifice to demonize the Mexica culture. As the centuries passed, scholars began to wonder whether the tzompantli had ever existed.

Archaeologists at the National Institute of Anthropology and History (INAH) here can now say with certainty that it did. Beginning in 2015, they discovered and excavated the remains of the skull rack and one of the towers underneath a colonial period house on the street that runs behind Mexico City's cathedral. (The other tower, they suspect, lies under the cathedral's back courtyard.) The scale of the rack and tower suggests they held thousands of skulls, testimony to an industry of human sacrifice unlike any other in the world. Now, archaeologists are beginning to study the skulls in detail, hoping to learn more about Mexica rituals and the postmortem treatment of the bodies of the sacrificed. The researchers also wonder who the victims were, where they lived, and what their lives were like before they ended up marked for a brutal death at the Templo Mayor.

"This is a world of information," says archaeologist Raùl Barrera Rodríguez, director of INAH's Urban Archaeology Program and leader of the team that found the tzompantli. "It's an amazing thing, and just the kind of discovery many of us had hoped for," agrees John Verano, a bioarchaeologist at Tulane University in New Orleans, Louisiana, who studies human sacrifice. He and other researchers hope the skulls will clarify the role of large-scale human sacrifice in Mexica religion and culture—and whether, as scholars suspect, it played a key part in building their empire.
It's always good to know that one is maintaining a long-standing historical tradition. It also tends to put a new spin on the Mexican reverence for La Señora de la Santa Muerte.

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Blogger Harry Spitz June 23, 2018 9:27 AM  

The Aztecs were a warlike, human sacrificing, cannibalistic empire.
Destroying it was a definite plus for the Conquistadors.

Blogger Jamie-R June 23, 2018 9:38 AM  

Mexico's a glorious culture impeded by European colonialism, and no the anti-colonialists aren't a long bitter minority of Europe with wealth & influence. In fact, did you know how Europeans ruined the great Aboriginal culture of Australia? Take our in-group preference now with this Vogue & Vanity Fair article by a writer out of an Ivy League school whose degree was not due to out-sized specific ethnic demographic acceptance percentages, which are trade secrets! And look who donated a wing of the library that's lovely! They do a lot of philanthropy! Look at the model on the cover of the magazine, the clothes the style the look, you want all this acceptance. Come with us. Don't walk with him in the garden, he will soon be dead. An artifact of a white culture that has committed many injustices.

Blogger Fenris Wulf June 23, 2018 9:51 AM  

LiveLeak has a video of cartel members flaying the son of a police chief and ripping out his still-beating heart and showing it to him. Two things I thought I would never see.

Blogger Phillip George June 23, 2018 10:01 AM  

So long as human sacrifice is practiced in a respectful and inclusive and diverse setting that is ecologically friendly and sustainable I don't see the problem here. It is apart of our rich cultural heritage.

Blogger Phillip George June 23, 2018 10:10 AM  

Or, who are we to judge cannibalism between consenting adults. [DNC talking points. Melania's jacket is rayciss]

Blogger Azimus June 23, 2018 10:14 AM  

The Aztecs did not have diplomatic relations with any of their neighbors - all were servile vassal states, which the Aztecs manipulated taxes and grain quotas to intentionally to provoke them to war. When the neighbor inevitably revolted because they could no longer tolerate watching their children starve, the Aztec army marched in and crushed the rebellion ruthlessly, bringing thousands of prisoners back to the Mexica for sacrifice to their bloodthirsty demonic gods. Then the army was off to another vassal to gather more prisoners, and the Aztecs relaxed the taxes until the next generation of victims could be harvested. I have never come across a more evil system in post-Roman times in all my readings. It was no coincidence that Cortez signed up as many as 200,000 allied natives to his banner for his campaign on the Aztec capital.

Blogger S1AL June 23, 2018 10:17 AM  

Troll level: Supreme Dark Lord

Blogger Looking Glass June 23, 2018 10:27 AM  

From a practical standpoint, the local Elites were quite happy with the sacrifices, while the sacrifices were none to happy about the current environment. For the Elites, the economy was good, food was plentiful and the Aztec News Network was making puff pieces about their brilliant management of pleasing the gods.

Then a bunch of upstarts from this place called "Europe" showed up and found a very willing set of allies. Turns out forced labor people can deal with, but the constant killing doesn't make many friends.

Much of even current Mexican political dynamics come back to the power structures established after the fall of the Aztec Empire. And, a funny little thing, but there's a lot of Mexicans that wouldn't be against removing their currently corrupt leadership. Leadership is all about the Feedback Loop, otherwise you eventually get a different loop around your neck.

Blogger Looking Glass June 23, 2018 10:30 AM  

Really, there is nothing new under the Sun. Flipping an entire power structure on the Elites only takes them being overbearing and doing fairly specific things that constantly piss off the locals.

Blogger The Lab Manager June 23, 2018 10:32 AM  

I finished 'Undaunted Courage' earlier this year and now going 'Empire of the Summer Moon' about the Comanche menace on the Texas Frontier. The fact of the matter is that stronger tribes oppressed their neighbors, committed genocide, rape, torture and yet we have to listen to this 'Noble Savage' BS. Yes, Great Father should have done a better of treaties with the Eastern tribes I guess, but the point in they were not these nice peaceful people.

Blogger cheddarman June 23, 2018 10:36 AM  

maybe the Aztecs had ans sjw problem and dealt with it in a culturally appropriate way as witnessed by the mountain of Skulls. May the Dark Lord raise his throne to the heavens upon a mountain of SJW skulls

Blogger cheddarman June 23, 2018 10:37 AM  

maybe the Aztecs had ans sjw problem and dealt with it in a culturally appropriate way as witnessed by the mountain of Skulls. May the Dark Lord raise his throne to the heavens upon a mountain of SJW skulls

Blogger wreckage June 23, 2018 10:41 AM  

We have much to learn from Vox' noble and ancient culture. Thank you for sharing this.

Blogger Phillip George June 23, 2018 10:42 AM  

Anthony Wiener is calling these episodes the Pre-European history of pizza.

Blogger Amos Bellomy June 23, 2018 10:44 AM  

I feel like saying that you *hoped* to find proof an ancient civilization practiced human sacrifice on a far larger scale than originally known before might be just a bit of a tone deaf thing to say, archaeologist guy.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 23, 2018 10:50 AM  

Years back, I started reading a book called Aztecs by Gary Jennings. It was the story of an orphaned Aztec boy who made his way up through the Aztec society.

It was a very well written and compelling novel. But I ultimately could not finish reading it. Couldn't stomach the frequent casual descriptions of human sacrifice both mass and organized and casual and happenstance. Sacrifice of children in horrific ways. It turned my stomach.

Blogger Looking Glass June 23, 2018 10:55 AM  

cheddarman wrote:maybe the Aztecs had ans sjw problem and dealt with it in a culturally appropriate way as witnessed by the mountain of Skulls. May the Dark Lord raise his throne to the heavens upon a mountain of SJW skulls

The Aztecs had a target selection problem.

Blogger Ledford Ledford June 23, 2018 11:18 AM  

Helps explain why Mexican boxing is so much fun to watch. "Hold still while we bash each other's skulls!"

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2018 11:23 AM  

> Flipping an entire power structure on the Elites only takes them being overbearing and doing fairly specific things that constantly piss off the locals.

Well, that and competent leadership. But that's only a matter of time.

> ...but the point in they were not these nice peaceful people.

There's a reason the phrase "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." exists.

Blogger Johnny June 23, 2018 11:23 AM  

People are sufficiently given to mixed or false motives that you can’t trust the reasons they give you. I suspect along with genuinely wanting to please the gods, when the human sacrifices were very numerous, it is likely there was an ulterior motive. You would have to know the social circumstance to know what it was.

With regard to the Aztecs, numerous male sacrifices could easily have been a desire to keep down the number of men in the oppressed tribal groups. A crude from of sexual selection, or a direct killing of the warriors themselves. The Spartans did the same thing among their helot population by going to war against them. I don’t think we have a body count, but it may well have been numerous murders committed for the sake of disposing of the least expedient portion of the population. Along of course with a certain level of training in ruthlessness.

Among Eskimos and the more impoverished Chinese, the tendency was to kill female babies. Instead of doing it (apparently) covertly, they could have alleged a religious motive and done it to please the gods.

Also, the killing of babies has a long history and is way more common than most people suspect. Abortion is just a nicer way of going about it. With our modern technology we don’t have to wait for the kid to be born.

Blogger MendoScot June 23, 2018 11:30 AM  

Ledford Ledford wrote:Helps explain why Mexican boxing is so much fun to watch. "Hold still while we bash each other's skulls!"

The underlying principle of pelota.

Blogger Ledford Ledford June 23, 2018 11:33 AM  

MendoScot wrote:Ledford Ledford wrote:Helps explain why Mexican boxing is so much fun to watch. "Hold still while we bash each other's skulls!"

The underlying principle of pelota.


I think we have the germ of a "Make Mexico Great Again!" program.

Blogger MendoScot June 23, 2018 11:34 AM  

Emmett Fitz-Hume wrote:Years back, I started reading a book called Aztecs by Gary Jennings.



I remember him from decades ago. I just looked him up on amazon and it appears that he succeeded in turning his "adult" historical books into a Debbie Does Dallas franchise.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 23, 2018 11:48 AM  

15. Amos Bellomy June 23, 2018 10:44 AM
might be just a bit of a tone deaf thing to say, archaeologist guy.



when you spend all your time fantasizing about murdering people, it's kind of difficult to properly assess what a NormieFag would consider acceptable or not.


you want to take any bets on the odds of John Verano personally identifying as some form of Marxist?

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 23, 2018 11:51 AM  

@23

That makes sense about Jennings. I remember the scene that broke the camel's back had quite a bit of sexual violence in it.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 23, 2018 11:59 AM  

23. MendoScot June 23, 2018 11:34 AM
I just looked him up on amazon


i just looked up a bit of his bibliography:
For young adults
The Teenager's Realistic Guide to Astrology (1971)
Black Magic, White Magic (1975)

Novels
Aztec (1980) : A story of the Aztec empire just before and during the arrival of the Spanish.
The Lively Lives of Crispin Mobey (by 'Gabriel Quyth') (1988) : "A novel of the hilarious chronicle of the exploits of an all-too-zealous missionary." Mostly assembled from a series of short stories published under Jennings's real name in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction 1972-1979.
Raptor (1992) : Thorn, a hermaphrodite, and his/her adventures in a post-Roman world.
March of the Demons (1977)


couple his choice of subject matter with his travel habits:
"Jennings' novels are well-researched: he lived for 12 years in Mexico to research the Aztec novels, traveled the Balkans while researching Raptor, and joined nine circus troupes during the writing of Spangle. He also produced a number of novels for younger readers, such as A Rope in the Jungle and a history of the occult Black Magic, White Magic."

and you've got a pretty good candidate for a mid-century pedophile / Satanist.

Blogger insight June 23, 2018 11:59 AM  

"But there's a lot of Mexicans that wouldn't be against removing their currently corrupt leadership. Leadership is all about the Feedback Loop, otherwise you eventually get a different loop around your neck."

If they are like their ancestors that would explain ALOT of things.

"I have never come across a more evil system in post-Roman times in all my readings."

I submit there was no human society as wicked ever. They made the thugge cult look mild.

"From a practical standpoint, the local Elites were quite happy with the sacrifices, while the sacrifices were none to happy about the current environment. For the Elites, the economy was good, food was plentiful and the Aztec News Network was making puff pieces about their brilliant management of pleasing the gods."

Spot on comparison. So they had their "elites" and SJWs who worshipped them back then too. LefTARDism is genetic and resides in the shallow end of the gene pool, on the left side of the Bell curve.

Blogger insight June 23, 2018 12:05 PM  

"Maybe the Aztecs had ans sjw problem and dealt with it in a culturally appropriate way as witnessed by the mountain of Skulls."

No, Aztec society is what you get when SJWs/lefTARDism is allowed to run amok for centuries...

"LiveLeak has a video of cartel members flaying the son of a police chief and ripping out his still-beating heart and showing it to him."

… Exhibit A

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma June 23, 2018 12:17 PM  

This is how to deal with traitors, invaders, degenerates, and self-haters.
Society is improved, and the gods are pleased.

This reminds us that Christians, closer to the original religion, were far from the tolerant cucks giving charity to the enemy like we have today. They conquered continents and tore down holy sites to build their own temples on top, from European pagans to the Americas. After all, as far as we know Jesus never came to the Americas; He didn't even speak English.


Mark 3
27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

Blogger insight June 23, 2018 12:19 PM  

"It's an amazing thing, and just the kind of discovery many of us had hoped for," agrees John Verano, a bioarchaeologist at Tulane University in New Orleans, Louisiana, who studies human sacrifice."

Yeah real amazing *rolls eyes*, he could always go down to the local Planned Barrenhood for a modern day "discovery".

Blogger insight June 23, 2018 12:25 PM  

"This is how to deal with traitors, invaders, degenerates, and self-haters."

Its logical and proactive, you either get them first before they get you. Nobody in their right mind allows dangerous predators or poisonous reptiles to multiply on their property and around their family.

Blogger Anna Bouler June 23, 2018 12:38 PM  

I'm convinced that God used us to stop the practice and teach them a better way. We were kinder than the Israelites, which is why their children are still around, going about how we're evil because we taught them not to be evil, human sacrificing, cannibals. Seriously, no guilt.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton June 23, 2018 12:41 PM  

For whatever my opinion may be worth, I have always believed that the very nadir of race treason is human ingestion of human flesh.

Blogger Looking Glass June 23, 2018 12:42 PM  

@27 insight

While I'm sure the ANN didn't exist as quite the professional scene, what do you think the Priest class' job is in most societies? To extol the virtues of the Elite. It's how they keep themselves feed.

"And the band played on" is far less of a dark meme than people realize. There's an entire class of people, in nearly every society, that fill those roles. Just enough skill to be useful, but not enough to determine their own lives. In ancient Aztec society, you can sort of guess what their job was?

Oh, and when Cortes was away, the guy he put in charge massacred the local Aztec elites. This guy. https://infogalactic.com/info/Pedro_de_Alvarado He seems "kind" for what's coming.

Blogger philippa June 23, 2018 12:50 PM  

L. Neil Smith wrote an excellent alternative history novel called "The Crystal Empire" on this topic. Europe & Christianity were wiped out by the Black Plague and so never invaded North America or freed the non-Aztec natives, who continued their barbaric practices into modern times with modern flair & Chinese tech. Really good book.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton June 23, 2018 12:51 PM  

Since we are SF readers talking about the Aztecs, think of the Aztecs as Kanamit, from To Serve Man. What I would have liked to see, is a story of Mankind catching wise to the Kanamit, fighting back; then, simply for the safety of Mankind, exterminating the Kanamit to the last female and infant.

Blogger Jack Amok June 23, 2018 1:57 PM  

And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

The near term future of California Democrat Party politics.

Blogger MendoScot June 23, 2018 2:10 PM  

bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) wrote:23. MendoScot June 23, 2018 11:34 AM

I just looked him up on amazon


i just looked up a bit of his bibliography:

"Jennings' novels are well-researched: he lived for 12 years in Mexico to research the Aztec novels, traveled the Balkans while researching Raptor, and joined nine circus troupes during the writing of Spangle. He also produced a number of novels for younger readers, such as A Rope in the Jungle and a history of the occult Black Magic, White Magic."

and you've got a pretty good candidate for a mid-century pedophile / Satanist.


His book on Marco Polo was interesting, mostly for its brutal presentation of the Khan court's systematic use of torture as a political tool, and the Chinese' tolerance of the same. But the wild sex scenes were cool.

So I bought Aztec, which left me with a nasty taste, and finally Moghul, which was the end. Even as a horny teenager I could tell that there was something off about the stories and their focus on depraved sex.

Interesting that Moghul is not listed on Amazon or Wikipedia.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma June 23, 2018 2:11 PM  

We will facilitate + accelerate turning Satan & his minions against themselves.

Jack Amok June 23, 2018 1:57 PM
And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
The near term future of California Democrat Party politics.

Blogger Shimshon June 23, 2018 3:06 PM  

"But historians and archaeologists knew the conquistadors were prone to exaggerating the horrors of human sacrifice to demonize the Mexica culture."

Vox, given that this long-alleged exaggeration has now been itself swept aside, is there anything actually true in the above sentence? What horrors do they describe, and how inaccurate are their descriptions? It's got to be bad enough that the conquistadors didn't even bother destroying these things as they encountered them.

Blogger Eagle Elk June 23, 2018 4:33 PM  

Man, I wonder what the effect would be if northward heading invaders encountered racks and racks like this as they neared our border? Or have these racks hung, fully stocked with fresh goods on the south facing side of Walla Trumpia.... be almost as much fun as Vox's Throne Room.......

Blogger VD June 23, 2018 5:31 PM  

Vox, given that this long-alleged exaggeration has now been itself swept aside, is there anything actually true in the above sentence? What horrors do they describe, and how inaccurate are their descriptions?

No. You can read their accounts. Basically the stuff shown in the movies, the flaying, the beheading, and the mass sacrificing. I never doubted it for a minute; just look at modern Mexico and its death cults.

Blogger Daniel June 23, 2018 5:58 PM  

Link? Tire of estúpidos that cannot stop telling how bad the Spanish were to the poor peaceful aborigins

Blogger Paul M June 23, 2018 7:56 PM  

@20 "Also, the killing of babies has a long history and is way more common than most people suspect. Abortion is just a nicer way of going about it. With our modern technology we don’t have to wait for the kid to be born. "

It's telling that in the whole of the Pentatuech there isn't a law forbidding infanticide. Homosexuality and eating shellfish are forbidden, but disposing of inconvenient babies doesn't merit a mention.

Blogger Paul M June 23, 2018 9:36 PM  

@38 "So I bought Aztec, which left me with a nasty taste, and finally Moghul, which was the end. Even as a horny teenager I could tell that there was something off about the stories and their focus on depraved sex."

Much like reading Marion Zimmer Bradley, then. Buy it for King Arthur, bin it for its sympathetic treatment of incest and its sexual domination fantasies.

Blogger insight June 24, 2018 12:46 AM  

"It's telling that in the whole of the Pentatuech there isn't a law forbidding infanticide. Homosexuality and eating shellfish are forbidden, but disposing of inconvenient babies doesn't merit a mention."

Wrong its in the 10 commandments, #6. Leviticus 18:21 etc...

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 24, 2018 2:34 AM  

The Spaniards came and rightfully destroyed a civilization of evil.

Wonder what a spritual civilization that has its act together would think of ours?

Blogger great_o'rety June 24, 2018 4:43 AM  

Of course, there's no reference to it (I 'm talking mechanics not flavor) in any of the many Civilization game's iterations. Even though Aztec civ is a mainstay in all of them.

Blogger tublecane June 24, 2018 5:06 AM  

There's a pattern to how they write articles about the Old Wisdom being correct after all. It goes: the old guys were stupid and wrong, and the good guys tried to be better. But oops, I guess they weren't as right as they were righteous, and the old guys were onto something after all. But everything old is still wrong on a deeper level.

Why can't they just say the people who said 130,000 skulls were like maybe two skulls were blinded by prejudice and/or dumb?

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