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Tuesday, June 26, 2018

Darkstream: Alt-Hero #2


From the transcript:

I like to keep things believable even if we're dealing with superpowers, even if we're dealing with things that are beyond the ordinary. I think that stories are much more interesting when they have some connection to the real world as we experience it. You know, the world of Alt-Hero is not our world but there are similarities because people are people and comics are a really good way of exploring some of those issues in an interesting and innovative fashion. So for those who were expecting political preaching, you're not going to find it. For those who are expecting the right-wing equivalent of SJW lecturing, you're not going to find it.

It was interesting because some people are commenting that they found it difficult to tell exactly who are supposed to be the good guys and who are supposed to be the bad guys. Well, if you know my perspective, then you know who I think the good guys are, but what I always try to do in my novels, and what I'm trying to do in the comics, is I want both the heroes and the villains to be true to their perspectives. You know, I'm not interested in writing bad guys who are just cardboard characters.

Now you might think that those those antifa thugs are just cardboard characters, and maybe they'll turn out to be that way, maybe they won't, but the point is is that within the context of that particular scene, their behavior is consistent with the way that real people in those situations tend to behave.

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15 Comments:

Blogger ar10308 June 26, 2018 11:14 AM  

I enjoyed #2 quite a bit. The story and characters are by far my favorite parts. The art has improved as well.

The other thing I really like about the construction of the story is that I think it will age really well. You are still using a story framework that is timeless and not completely dependent on the specific politics of the time. Timelessness is an element that current Marvel and DC Comics are completely lacking, because they are so dependent on ideology.

My favorite comics are Watchmen and Frank Miller's Batman because they are so timeless, despite their political messages being less relevant to our time.

Keep up the good work!

Blogger Durandel June 26, 2018 11:22 AM  

Vox, your character and behavior studies born from your writing have probably made you a better expert on human behavior than a 1000 Crazy Christ’s reading the Cliff Notes editions of Jung and Heidegger.

I like this kind of true character complexity over the bs “grey morality” that is done to feign depth and introspection.

Blogger Dire Badger June 26, 2018 11:23 AM  

Heroes are defined by their enemies and their flaws, not their superpowers.

Superman would suck without lex luthor. Spiderman without his rogue's gallery and secret identity neurosis would be colorless. And Deadpool? Well, considering his villain is himself, it works out well.

A good, understandable nemesis you can empathize with just enough to really hate is the best thing you can do to a hero.

Blogger Dire Badger June 26, 2018 11:28 AM  

The thing I really love about Martel is the same thing I loved about Rorshach. His clinging to a fundamental morality despite it's unpopularity... He has made himself a great hero because his enemy is ultimately both understandable and intimately villainous... because it is the same evil we are confronted with every day... simply more immediate, public opinion.

Blogger Dire Badger June 26, 2018 11:30 AM  

umm...does anyone want to start an alt-hero universe wiki?

Blogger Killua June 26, 2018 11:34 AM  

It was interesting because some people are commenting that they found it difficult to tell exactly who are supposed to be the good guys and who are supposed to be the bad guys.

This makes comics even more interesting. When instead of black and white good guys vs bad guys stuff, is more about different characters with conflicting motivations.

Blogger Peaceful Poster June 26, 2018 12:51 PM  

Ryu and Rebel are gonna Make Cosplay Great Again!

Halloween, too.

Blogger Fe2O3 June 26, 2018 12:59 PM  

Vox, one thing that clearly stands out in your work is the ability to portray characters from their point of view in a real and interesting way. I would rate that aspect of your writing in the same league as Tolstoy and Tolkien. You may not sympathize with all the characters, but you understand them. Keep up the good work.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums June 26, 2018 1:16 PM  

Killua wrote:This makes comics even more interesting. When instead of black and white good guys vs bad guys stuff, is more about different characters with conflicting motivations.

It just occurred to me one flaw of Alt*Hero has. It's seen as a right-wing comic by the public. Therefore people reading it will know who the good guys and bad guys are at least from the author's perspective. It would have been interesting to see a leftist read it and think Cpt. Europa is the good guy for instance without him realizing he's not being pitched that way at all. I'm hoping some day I'll read an enthusiastic review by an SJW who rates it 4/5 only because he's confused as to why the bad guys are usually put front and center.

The thought came to me after I read your name and remembered how Hunter x Hunter treated its villains.

The best example is how liberals describe Al Swearengen (one of the main characters from Deadwood) as a charismatic villain who ruled over everyone through corruption and violence. Whereas conservatives describe him as a stalwart libertarian who would do anything to protect his business, and the wisdom of which other characters freely sought after and followed.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 26, 2018 1:39 PM  

"You want BAMA" "You got BAMA" Really enjoying it, left a review, a KU reader so not verified I believe.

Finch explained Swearengen well in the extras at the end of the series.

Blogger Zwiebel June 26, 2018 2:11 PM  

Haven't read the comic, yet, but there's one thing that makes Antifa difficult to write about, either way: what the f do they actually want? From what I heard from leavers, who are always lower echolon, most of them don't really know, either. Something communism anarchy something. They seem more like a cult than a political group.

Blogger Pierre Truc June 26, 2018 2:24 PM  

Related:

SJW attacks Ethan Van Sciver, SJW gets fired from his job. Looks like the mood is changing! EVS made a
Hilarious very short and hilarious video about it.

"I have faith that this will pass and those that danced on the grave of my career will eat the biggest pieces of crow when I rise from the ashes. You can't stop me. You can only hope to contain me."

REEEEEEE

And the crowd kicks him while he's down! LOL

Blogger Dave June 26, 2018 3:06 PM  

It'll be a blast watching and reading as the Alt Hero story and stories within the story unfold. I mean, c'mon, Vox writes 900 page fantasy novels as a hobby.

Now compare and contrast that to the dude doing the frog comic. Yes, he's a comicartistpro but what has he written? His strong suit is obviously the art, whereas Vox's is the story. Does incredible art make up for a subpar story?

Certainly the frog story could be just as strong as the art, but no one really will know for another 4? months. The Alt Hero art is only going to continue to improve, meanwhile the story is already attracting favorable reviews.

Blogger The Observer June 26, 2018 3:58 PM  

@5: A separate wiki shouldn't be necessary, there will be one attached to the official site.

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I don't quite remember - did the two US storylines get combined into one arc when Avalon got introduced? I vaguely remember such, but I think I'm probably wrong. Are we staying in the US for #3, or returning to Europe?

Blogger doctrev June 26, 2018 5:06 PM  

Does morality matter? Is it a matter of identity instead of objective truths laid down in religion and (righteous) law? I know what I think, but those questions are the ones in my head as I read Alt-Hero.

I don't think the Immotus group is immoral even by the old standards of comic book heroes: Martel in particular might even be too soft (!!), if he releases illegals into the arms of ICE under someone like Obama or Clinton. But that is just an impression. I'll wait for the end of this story before trying to engage with Alt-Hero philosophically.

I'm vastly amused by the idea that the "hatefic" of Vox Day and Tom Kratman accord antifa thuglets and Muslim invaders humanity and the possibility of complexity that the dregs of MS-13 and Rotherham do not actually merit in real life. Your sense of fair play is admirable.

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