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Sunday, June 17, 2018

EVS reviews Alt-Hero #1


Ethan Van Sciver live-reviewed Alt-Hero #1: Crackdown, on his ComicArtistPro Secrets YouTube channel with his father on Father's Day. He gave it a C+, unsurprisingly preferring the story to the artwork. Also, you should probably note that the actual review doesn't begin until about the 38th minute.

If the reaction of most of his viewers is any guide, it will take a little while to win them over. They seem to think that blindly mimicking the way things are done in a rapidly collapsing industry, only excising the social justice, is the path to success. But that's fine. We have gotten further, and we are making headway faster, than I ever imagined possible when we launched the initial campaign.

Anyhow, I very much appreciate EVS keeping his word and bringing this to the attention of his subscribers. I suspect AH #2 is going to be a big surprise to him and a lot of people.

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77 Comments:

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas June 17, 2018 7:58 PM  

Review starts at 38 minutes, if anyone's wondering.

Blogger Lovekraft June 17, 2018 7:59 PM  

I think the first issue is what one would expect from a grass-roots production team. Solid story. The artwork does need to work on a few areas, but that will come in time.

My main complaint is the size. Perhaps it's a cost/shipping issue, but the standard comic book size is what this collector prefers.

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 8:03 PM  

Perhaps it's a cost/shipping issue, but the standard comic book size is what this collector prefers.

That's why ours costs $2.99 and theirs costs an average of $4.14. Going royal octavo allows us to keep the price down.

Blogger lowercaseb June 17, 2018 8:10 PM  

I think his review matched a lot of what you initially said. The story is solid, there is room for improvement for the art, but it gets better as it goes along. Even his "roasts" are good natured...I think it's the start of a good healthy competition between all the new comic companies.

This is the start of great new era in comics.

Blogger Rickey Johnson June 17, 2018 8:20 PM  

The problem I see with this comic is #2 isn't out yet :)

Blogger Amos Bellomy June 17, 2018 8:30 PM  

I pimped this on Corey McCleery and my Whippersnappers livestream. I think I gave it a B+?

The art is the weak point but compare it to Marvel's recent output and tell me it isn't better.

If you're being honest, you can't.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2018 8:31 PM  

> But that's fine. We have gotten further, and we are making headway faster, than I ever imagined possible when we launched the initial campaign.

I tried to tell you there would be artists and writers beating down your door, Vox. And the process has barely started. Within two years pretty much everyone who's any good will want to be working with you.

Blogger Rantor June 17, 2018 8:33 PM  

Good review, but confused when at one point he says he likes the story, but in reviewing the comic he says he doesn’t understand what’s going on when the heroes are sent to Berlin.

Personally I really like this he size and quality of the print edition. Looking forward to number two

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2018 8:34 PM  

> The art is the weak point but compare it to Marvel's recent output and tell me it isn't better. ... If you're being honest, you can't.

Exactly. People don't seem to realize how much the artwork has slipped at Marvel over the past two decades. It had already dropped dramatically when I stopped reading in the 90's and it's continued since them.

Blogger S1AL June 17, 2018 8:37 PM  

Vox, care to make a prediction for his review of Dixon's first release with you?

Blogger Nate June 17, 2018 8:38 PM  

I mean he keeps saying he read the book... but nothing he says indicates that he read the book.

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 8:38 PM  

I also think that people are comparing it to the very best stuff that Marvel and DC are still doing, artwise, and ignoring the vast majority of the stuff they are cranking out. As far as the writing goes... please.

They complain that we don't have enough action, while DC is featuring Batgirl letting her tranny friend cry on her shoulder after telling her about an experience being misgendered.

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 8:39 PM  

Vox, care to make a prediction for his review of Dixon's first release with you?

No, I don't have any idea what he'll do. Maybe he loves Frank Fosco. Maybe he hates him.

Blogger Lance E June 17, 2018 8:40 PM  

Speaking of print editions, when do the hardcovers go out for those backers?

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 8:42 PM  

Speaking of print editions, when do the hardcovers go out for those backers?

Not for a long time. Look, this isn't that hard. A hardcover consists of SIX issues. We just released the first one. As soon as we have six, we'll put the first one together and send it out to everyone.

Blogger Nate June 17, 2018 8:44 PM  

i thought the comments about the art improving as the book went were interesting. I have no idea if the book was drawn in chronological order or not but it really struck me as interesting.

Blogger Nate June 17, 2018 8:50 PM  

i'm watching the review of it... and he's like "There is almost something sinister about this Captain Europa guy..."

YA THINK???

Also... that's not how girls respond to being kissed by other girls in America Vox. DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT. YOU SHOULD REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU'RE WRITING COMICS SET IN EUROPE

Blogger Dave June 17, 2018 8:54 PM  

That's a pretty fair rating from Uncle Ethan and as you allude to he will always be a tougher critic of the art because, well, he _is_ the ComicArtistPro.

His Totally Honest Portfolio Reviews can be fascinating vids where he dissects wannabe comic artist's work. He can literally go on and on about such things as line thickness and crosshatching and it will make sense as he talks it through while he draws it on paper. Here's one I particularly enjoyed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Heaxd1XbbQ&t=12s

He's one of the top artists in the field but even he admits he's come a long way from the first Cyberfrog back in the late 90's to where he is now. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the same steady, incremental improvement for Alt Hero and Arkhaven.

Blogger Dave June 17, 2018 9:01 PM  

I mean he keeps saying he read the book... but nothing he says indicates that he read the book.

If you're talking about Crackdown, sometimes I wonder if Uncle Ethan is so taken with the art he glosses over the story. I mean, how does he miss the setup for the Berlin raids?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 17, 2018 9:08 PM  

His review was reasonably fair, although I think he should have given extra points for the first issue being in color.

Most indies have to start in black and white, like (as a massive for instance) Cyberfrog.

The coloring should have gotten a mention.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 17, 2018 9:17 PM  

His missing the setting was perhaps parochial but understandable from an American professional comic artist's viewpoint.

A quick look at Justice League Europe reveals a bunch of B-Team American heroes transferred to the EU.

Also there was no little box saying where this was taking place. Yes, all the other details made it clear but still there was no little black and white box.

And yeah, he didn't actually read it. He didn't appear to realize that Doctor Nano was impersonating Dymanique and therefore "her" appearance was meant to be unsettling and off.

Blogger SmockMan June 17, 2018 9:29 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:The coloring should have gotten a mention.



He did mention really liking the coloring.


RE: Vox saying they will be doing things differently than Marvel/DC in the dark stream

This is why I like Alterna Comics. Even though they print on newsprintz($1.50 per comic), and their art doesn't come close to Marvel/DC, they are telling character-driven, escapist stories.



Blogger ar10308 June 17, 2018 9:47 PM  

Ethan's review is fair and pretty thorough.

I give the comic a B after reading it in Kindle form. I was a little less impressed with the small format and non-glossy hard copy, but I fully understand the economics of that decision.

I'm a Backer at the Hardcover level, so I am really looking forward to seeing it in the larger, glossy format.

I'll echo most in saying that the plot and characters are very compelling. I'm really looking forward to seeing where it is going. The art has room for improvement, but I'm optimistic and excited to see what advancements are made in the coming issues.

Blogger doctrev June 17, 2018 9:48 PM  

I originally thought that the EU biodynamics would definitely see themselves as the heroes of this issue acting against shadowy fascist trolls. Listen for Ethan's critique that the huge guy with a logo of twelve gold stars against a deep blue suit may represent... the UN?!

Between that and his complaints about Dynamique's low salary (of course it's low, she's basically been taken hostage and can't really refuse), maybe the setup actually has to be dumbed down for a parochial American audience. For myself, I wouldn't change a thing story-wise.

Blogger Dave June 17, 2018 9:48 PM  

His review was reasonably fair, although I think he should have given extra points for the first issue being in color.

Good point, Cataline, perhaps would've put him around a B-

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2018 10:19 PM  

> Also... that's not how girls respond to being kissed by other girls in America Vox. DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT. YOU SHOULD REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU'RE WRITING COMICS SET IN EUROPE

Actually, it reminded me exactly of a young child being kissed by an overly affectionate Aunt at a family reunion. I'd say it captured the expression perfectly.

> Between that and his complaints about Dynamique's low salary...

I almost laughed. In what universe is 250K (notice no currency is refereced) a low salary. And that's on top of her current career. May everyone Ethan knows makes that much, but most people would kill for that kind of income.

Also, I think his perspective complaint on the last page is overstated. We don't know how far we are from Redshift.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 17, 2018 10:25 PM  

I think Arkhaven is going to succeed brilliantly as long as there are still a sizable number of people who want to read comic books.

Blogger The Deuce June 17, 2018 10:44 PM  

The review was okay, but as Nate points out, it doesn't look like Ethan really read the story. Several comments throughout seem to suggest that he thinks the story is taking place in America (eg. the assumption that she's being paid in dollars or the bit about how girls respond to being kissed by other girls in America).

Blogger doctrev June 17, 2018 10:49 PM  

> In what universe is 250K (notice no currency is refereced) a low salary. And that's on top of her current career. May everyone Ethan knows makes that much, but most people would kill for that kind of income.

That's 100% true from the perspective of the non-elite, but in terms of being a superhuman member of Europe's federal police I'd still expect more money. I wouldn't be surprised if Dynamique's modelling career pays at least that well.

And now I'm getting into Internet conversations about how much 250K Euros is worth to a superhuman. Unreasonable pedantry like mine is probably a major step into making a comic part of nerd culture.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 17, 2018 11:19 PM  

Ethan has an amazing talent for missing the point with regard to the plot so I'm surprised at how he rated this, but I do think his comments about the artwork are mostly fair. In my amateur opinion the artwork did improve noticeably as the story progressed.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2018 11:22 PM  

> I wouldn't be surprised if Dynamique's modelling career pays at least that well.

I'd be surprised if it weren't at least double that amount. But not everyone is going to have that kind of outside income.

Blogger Rhys June 18, 2018 12:01 AM  

Seems to be a pretty fair review by EVS. The comments in the live chat are insufferable though. I'm pretty bored of this internet culture wherein every anonymous retard is an expert and everything is completely garbage in their opinion.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums June 18, 2018 12:22 AM  

After watching a bunch of his Star Wars vids I now know EVS does have a troll-like sense of humor where he expects people to know when he's joking or when he's telling the truth without him flat out saying it. In this video for example he went on and on saying how much of a Rose Tico fan he is.

Him saying he has no idea what the story is about then later on saying he read the comic previously should be taken with a grain of salt. In his defense, reviewing the artwork and the story leaves absolutely nothing to discover for those who might be thinking about buying the comic.

Blogger wreckage June 18, 2018 12:34 AM  

@29, $250K plus what Ozzies call "fringe benefits". She gets a Parisian apartment. She gets a clothing budget. She probably gets expenses-paid travel and meals, and in the penultimate echelon of a European public service job, they will be at the high end of business class - juuuusssst far enough off outright penthouse luxury to not be gaudy, but with the best of everything nonetheless.

She would likely also get a car, a driver, at least secretary and possibly a personal staff in her official capacity, and bodyguards; she'd get substantial social clout amounting to free stuff and high level access to people and places that, as a model, only her manager or screwing the right guy would unlock. The step up in social status would be immense.

Blogger wreckage June 18, 2018 12:38 AM  

And she'd get influence. If she's high-IQ she'll enjoy having real influence, instead of always by proxy, and even her access to influence by proxy (not to say pussy) will be greatly expanded. If she's smart and ambitious, being under the command of her intellectual inferior is a habit she's accustomed to and no real problem, she's worked with that her whole professional life, but the access to REAL power, and to men with REAL power, will be getting her seriously high right now.

The job, in short, will have "swept her off her feet."

Blogger seeingsights June 18, 2018 12:41 AM  

This also gives lie to the view, recently expressed, that Vox Day can't take disagreement and just wants sycophants.

The critic in the video, who I take is sympathetic to Vox Day's politics, nevertheless gave the comic book a C+.

Second point: The critic's comments are useful and conducive to better future products.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 18, 2018 12:47 AM  

34. wreckage June 18, 2018 12:34 AM
and possibly a personal staff in her official capacity, and bodyguards


see, you took your analogy too far.

what's the point in hiring a super human to do physical violence if you also need to provide them with bodyguards?

why wouldn't you just send the bodyguards to do the job and dispense with the super altogether?

oh. right.

bureaucratic decision making as directed by the Human Resources bimbos.

Blogger Jon D. June 18, 2018 12:54 AM  

A pretty fair review from an art perspective. One thing I am curious about is he calls it unsubtle message fic at one point... but he doesn’t elaborate as to what he thinks the message is. I was looking for message so I saw a little subtle flavor just as an attitude thing but this didn’t have a political flavor that was overwhelming.

Blogger gnossoss June 18, 2018 1:02 AM  

@38

I agree, I was surprised at how subtle the political element was in issue #1. I could see some people completely missing it.

Even for me it felt like Captain Europa and his team were presented in a mostly sympathetic/positive light. This says good things about future stories in which various characters we like to some degree will have to make hard choices and oppose each other, which will help a lot with investment in the story.

Blogger wreckage June 18, 2018 1:47 AM  

@38 from what I can see he says earlier that he's not sure Captain Europa is really a hero, then later calls it unsubtle message fic.
yyyyyyeah... ok.

Meanwhile the art is really picking up.

Also I think he missed the value of the use of Captain Europa in the final panel; it's cheating on perspective to make the scrolling of the e-comic carry the drama.

I actually think that's a masterful bit of composition; it permits of more skill in the execution but it's a brilliant marriage of the electronic medium to the sequential art. Give the artist a high five just for that.

Blogger wreckage June 18, 2018 1:47 AM  

(Sorry, redshift in the final panel, brain fart).

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 18, 2018 1:56 AM  

I would have liked to see a transitioning or effects illustration of Nano's mimic effect. How does it work, is it a smooth melting into the new look, is it "bam!" and instant impersonation? Sounds, lights, action! I can tell you how Nightcrawler's teleportation looks and sounds (even smells) compared to Magik's

Blogger Starboard June 18, 2018 2:35 AM  

I do think that Dynamique's accepting the offer to join the Capt, was covered a little quickly.
The convincing would have made more sense if Capt. Europa had started with the positives (money, apartment, fame) and then dropped the hammer (chipping, tracking, and the details of directive 3024/003/EC) when she asked about turning them down.

with regard to Dynamique's salary and fringe benefits, they are in addition to any modeling work she does. 250k euros or 250k dollars is considered rich by most people. The carrot and the stick work together to bring her onboard.

The Capt's creepiness and the teams juvenile flippancy work for me. The flippancy fits with the unexamined opinion that they are the good guys. Captain Europa's creepiness has the #metoo vibe that drips off most PC champions. I loved the tell tale bits that these good guys may not in fact be good. I also appreciated the gear grinding dissonance of sending literal super heros to crackdown on computer jockeys The 4th generation moral ground was definitely lost.

I can't comment much on the art. I'm not an artist myself, and I don't read many comics or graphic novels. I guess I can see what EVS was criticizing, but the art never threw me out of the story. Some of it was good; some was odd. I loved the final panel with the moonlit night on the mountains.

Blogger The Observer June 18, 2018 2:41 AM  

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Blogger wreckage June 18, 2018 2:56 AM  

He gave it a lot of visibility and enthusiastically pimped "SJWs Always Lie", and spoke positively about Arkhaven. A big win, IMO, and he's a shoo-in to positively review Dixon etc when their lines kick off.

Force multiplication.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 18, 2018 3:03 AM  

Which is preferable to Castalia & Arkhaven - a direct purchase through Castalia with positive commentary left on Amazon as a non-verified purchaser, or purchase through Amazon with positive commentary left as a verified purchaser?

Blogger The Observer June 18, 2018 3:08 AM  

@46: Agreed.

Blogger CoolHand June 18, 2018 3:59 AM  

The way he makes the villains into actual people with more than one (evil) dimension is one of the big reasons why I read everything that Vox writes.

I mean, in ASoS he's got me rooting for an orc for crap's sake.

I know they have to lose for good to win, but I kinda hope that Lugbol manages to survive the coming melee.

It's just such a refreshing change of pace for an author to care enough about the story to give even the villains not only back stories and relateable personalities, but believable motivations and reasoning for doing what they're doing.

Glad to see EVS starting to come around. The fanbois will follow with time, what of them that are worth having anyway.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 18, 2018 5:54 AM  

In an age of inflated ratings (and school grades) and people who largely can't take ANY criticism, a C+ rating can be jarring. Kudos to EVS for being honest (I'm assuming) and to Vox for taking criticism (contra to those who say he's thin-skinned, etc.).

Blogger VD June 18, 2018 6:03 AM  

Which is preferable to Castalia & Arkhaven - a direct purchase through Castalia with positive commentary left on Amazon as a non-verified purchaser, or purchase through Amazon with positive commentary left as a verified purchaser?

The former. And download a copy of the Kindle Select version if you're on KU either way....

Blogger Bogey June 18, 2018 6:26 AM  

@45 Pretty much agree. Alt-Hero was the first real salvo. I think Ethan can respect that. Watch Ethan's Comicsgate Live video. Mitch Breitweiser is a big talent the SJWs basically forced out. Fine, more for us to gain.

Blogger Junius Stone June 18, 2018 8:26 AM  

I've supported several conservative comics projects, Alt*Hero, Ethan's Cyberfrog, Chuck Dixon's stuff, Jawbreakers. This is how we take back the culture, y'all.

Blogger Peter Gent June 18, 2018 8:45 AM  

bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) wrote:34. wreckage June 18, 2018 12:34 AM

and possibly a personal staff in her official capacity, and bodyguards


see, you took your analogy too far.

what's the point in hiring a super human to do physical violence if you also need to provide them with bodyguards?

why wouldn't you just send the bodyguards to do the job and dispense with the super altogether?

oh. right.

bureaucratic decision making as directed by the Human Resources bimbos.

I think bodyguards would mostly keep the riff-Raff and celebrity seekers at bay and allow her to actually move without having to go through a crowd just to get out of the building.

Blogger VD June 18, 2018 9:02 AM  

I almost laughed. In what universe is 250K (notice no currency is refereced) a low salary. And that's on top of her current career. May everyone Ethan knows makes that much, but most people would kill for that kind of income.

EUR 250,000 tax-free is the equivalent of about $500k. Ethan doesn't make anywhere nearly that much, even if he gets paid at a $1250 page rate every single day of the year.

The point that everyone seems to be missing is that this is an important character-establishing moment. All these people are harrumphing about "well I would do this" or "I would do that" are totally missing the point. What this makes clear is that Dynamique is a self-centered mercenary who doesn't even hesitate to take a job. She's a model, after all, and models do not ever say no to a job until they reach Angel status. They take the job to get the check and worry about the consequences later.

Remember, she's just been offered 500k per year, and her primary concern is that she might not be permitted to show up for the Yamamay call.

Blogger VD June 18, 2018 9:03 AM  

notice no currency is refereced

They're in Brussels. She's talking to Captain Europa, who literally wears the EU flag on his chest. They're not talking about Swiss francs.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 18, 2018 9:24 AM  

The Kairos blog has a good writeup and analysis of EVS woes and mindset (hat tip Castalia House blog)

So will Dynamique have a lover referenced by the couple's code name "Chateau" for this Alpha cad who might or might not be a sequens?

Blogger James Dixon June 18, 2018 9:43 AM  

> They're not talking about Swiss francs.

I assumed it was in Euros, but also assumed the lack of currency notation was deliberate as there's no reason for the characters to mention it. They both would know what currency was being used. Ethan obviously missed both of those points.

Blogger James Dixon June 18, 2018 9:45 AM  

> ...and her primary concern is that she might not be permitted to show up for the Yamamay call.

Yeah. Somehow I think they're trying to deny her that job is going to cause some problems. :)

Blogger Justin F June 18, 2018 10:38 AM  

Best of luck in Alt-Hero #2 -- only a week away!

Blogger FUBARwest June 18, 2018 11:04 AM  

I dont think the review was fair, not due to malice but due to him clearly not reading it before hand and wasn't actually reading it during the review.

Yes the art needs improving, but not being able to tell that Nano shapeshifted his face to turn into her, completely missed the point that she was threatened with being chipped and registered, and mostly can't tell the story is taking place in Europe. Assuming that EVS has an IQ of atleast 100 not picking up any of the story that wasnt directly shown in the pictures makes it hard to believe he bothered to read it.

Blogger wreckage June 18, 2018 11:05 AM  

@53, I'm saying she'd probably get them assigned to her at some point/s.
My point being that she's being offered a craptonne of money, secure work, and a slew of benefits. Bodyguards would be used for the same reason you use cops to control a riot, instead of an A-10, or because most super aren't invincible and could be taken out with a shiv in a crowd.

All immaterial, she gets whatever Vox conjures for her. Even just the wage would beat the hell out of freelance work. EVS "it should be a million trillion dollars" honestly just sounds stupid to me. The named price sounds fat enough for politics, but thin enough to be real.

Blogger electricsheeple June 18, 2018 11:11 AM  

It's stupid to give the comic a grade this early in the story arc. I think it's more prudent to way til the story has concluded or at least is closer to concluding before giving it a review.


I'm going to hold off on reviewing Alt Hero and Quantum Mortis until the first stories are complete.


I will say I'm a 33 year old who has been reading comics since the 1990's and the art is in line with Marvel/DC/Image comics.

Blogger R Webfoot June 18, 2018 11:54 AM  

"Assuming that EVS has an IQ of atleast 100 not picking up any of the story that wasnt directly shown in the pictures makes it hard to believe he bothered to read it. "

I assumed it was the same cogdis he showed when he talked to Vox about it. I don't remember exact quotes, but it went something like
EVS: Why would we want boring message fiction from the other side?
Vox: We don't. Out motto is "Stories, Not Social Justice." We want to piss off SJWs, but the story always comes first. We will not be writing boring message fiction.
EVS: But why wouldn't you, if your goal is to piss off SJWs?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 18, 2018 1:59 PM  

@60 FUBARwest

I dont think the review was fair, not due to malice but due to him clearly not reading it before hand and wasn't actually reading it during the review.
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I agree. I give his review a D because he clearly did not read it.

Comments about it being in America, dollars, UN, etc.

But his critiques of the art are acceptable since that was all he did, look at the art.

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Blogger Garuna June 18, 2018 2:17 PM  

"We don't want politics from either side" is such a dishonest and cowardly posture.

Comics have always had politics. There are endless examples, such as Captain America punching Hitler. That is even more explicitly political than either Alt-Hero or SJW comics. But that worked anyways because it was emotionally honest and so it resonated with people.

And therein lies the heart of the problem. Social justice is dishonest so it doesn't resonate. But cuckservatives like EVS and his fans can't point that out. After all, they'll be called "racist" and "sexist"! For the cucks, there is nothing worse than that. So they look for things on the right to attack to prove their neutrality and validate their posture.

They had their narrative set from the moment they saw Rebels' confederate costume. "See! You can tell I'm not racist or sexist! I'm actually just neutral!" Fucking pathetic.

Blogger tuberman June 18, 2018 2:29 PM  

54. VD

I doubt if they are aware that she is a French model, as per the idiot remarks about smoking from them.

Subtlety about story lines seems almost impossible for EVS, and his beta is not even in the awareness game period.

The second guy was a total moron, looking to virtue-signal and kiss-butt to EVS all throughout. Puke!

No, neither bothered to read the story or think about it before said "review." I give the review a D+. Just preconceived ideas with some slight moderation for reality from EVS, but not from the moron. The Moron gets not just an F, but a double zero for shear stupidity.

That said, in spite of the "damning with faint praise," he did introduce it to his audience. Yet, I think this type of review the absolute worst review he could give, the "faint praise" and the stupid side kick were on purpose, and meant to be worse than giving it a total F. I the Art World, everyone knows completely bad reviews attract opposition, but faint praise is the MOAB.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit June 18, 2018 2:30 PM  

If by "surprised by AH-2" Vox Day is referring to a quantum leap forward in the the production quality, that's only because they aren't paying attention.

Vive Arkhaven!

Bravo to everyone who steps up to "build up, build over, build around". As little as 7 years ago, someone (JCW possibly) described the need of every movie-maker to throw in a jarring scene of abasement to what we now know as the petty and violently jealous gods of SocJus. What possesses these stoytellers? we wondered?

Now that we know, every small press, every independent production company providing an out and proud platform for free men is a blessing.

Blogger tuberman June 18, 2018 2:38 PM  

The more I think about, although EVS is not likely controlled opposition, but until real controlled opposition comes around...he will do...he'll do.

Blogger Starboard June 18, 2018 3:17 PM  

67. Tuberman, the side kick was EVS's father. Of course he's on his son's side. It was his first broadcast, in honor of father's day, so there was plenty of cringeworthy content. I was less than impressed with the petty criticism, escpecially when it was obvious they hadn't actually read the comic.

Blogger tuberman June 18, 2018 4:17 PM  

Starboard wrote:67. Tuberman, the side kick was EVS's father. Of course he's on his son's side. It was his first broadcast, in honor of father's day, so there was plenty of cringeworthy content. I was less than impressed with the petty criticism, escpecially when it was obvious they hadn't actually read the comic.

Perhaps I should not have gone directly to the review mark at 38 minutes, but some of the review was so dumb that it was obvious. Example: The criticism of the last frame, and that ridicule of the "doll size" character tied up in the bottom to the pole. It was obviously the only way to get the story across in the single last frame, and the criticism was petty. I don't need the realism of a wide-angle lens of a camera, as I'm a decent photographer. What I do need is suspension of disbelief even in visual art, in favor of the story.

EVS should go to an Art Gallery, as his lack of subtle knowledge of story will not work for him well in long-term story-telling He might be able to create a single comic that excels from pure art, but he couldn't possibly even just scan this comic and miss so much (and be so petty), if he cared much about story-telling.

I still believe that he had several strong slights meant to look down upon the comic:

* To Not review it until 38 minute mark, as an afterthought, because he said he would.

* Including his father in the review.

* His various "faint praises" where he constantly pulls back to critic, sometimes fairly, but often petty, stupid crap that showed he did not understand. Everyone in the Art communities understand that faint praise" is the ultimate kiss of death.

Just my opinion, but I think EVS is a petty, egotistical person with mainly visual art talent, and not any story-telling subtlety. He will never create anything significant as an alternative to SJWs, and he will be envious of Arkhaven for doing what he cannot.



Blogger tuberman June 18, 2018 4:46 PM  

So, of course, this is all good, as Arkhaven's people will mine this for valid art criticism they can act upon to enhance their comics in any way, and will ignore the rest.

EVS will learn nothing as he's already the perfect comic artist.

Blogger R Webfoot June 18, 2018 5:56 PM  

h/t SmockMan; EVS had better things to say on a recent livestream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbjszs5Ohbw&feature=youtu.be&t=29m43s
Encouraged his readers to read it.

He said he didn't see anything too overly political, and that the politicization he was uncomfortable with was now limited to the title.

Blogger SirHamster June 18, 2018 6:35 PM  

Listened to the review starting at 38:00. Interesting that both he and his dad talks about wanting comic art that he can just look at and admire for a while, as a criticism of AH lacking such.

Me, I've read tons and tons of comics and webomics, and that is not how I enjoy them. I devour quickly, mainly focusing on the text and glimpsing the image. The art is probably 20% or something of my enjoyment; the individual quality of pages/panels is helpful but not essential. Some of my favorite webcomics engaged me with utterly crappy art. (OotS, Sluggy)


Others in this thread have stated how they don't care for EVS's review, but in his defense, at the end he says he thinks his viewers should buy it if they want to, to support his friends who are part of Arkhaven.

"This is the beginning of something."


That's overall positive. Also gives a baseline to measure AH2 and AH3's improvement.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 19, 2018 3:09 AM  

"Perhaps I should not have gone directly to the review mark at 38 minutes, but some of the review was so dumb that it was obvious. Example: The criticism of the last frame, and that ridicule of the "doll size" character tied up in the bottom to the pole. It was obviously the only way to get the story across in the single last frame, and the criticism was petty. I don't need the realism of a wide-angle lens of a camera, as I'm a decent photographer."

As anyone who thinks about it knows, detail is far MORE significant in drawings and paintings than in photographs, for the simple reason that in the photograph, the various details might just happen to be there, but in drawings and paintings, the artist took time to actually put them there.

The other thing with drawings and paintings is that the point of view can be literally from anywhere.

In the case of the last frame that EVS says has the perspective all wrong...

Consider a photograph of this scene, taken from near the top of a 20-30 foot A-framed painter's ladder, with a wide angle lens. On a hill, with the crest visable farther up the street.

What you would get is EXACTLY the image drawn -- the car with the 2 normies getting away, at approximately eye-level..... and looking down... way down, we see the super-human collapsed at the base of the telephone pole.

To get it right, emotionally, it HAS to be drawn from that point of view -- the 2 guys getting away... are level with the viewer's eyes. The failed superhuman... we are LITERALLY looking down at him (our eyes are lowered to see him).

This is actually a BRILLIANT frame, but EVS can't grok it because he can't get out of his "my feet are on the ground" perspective.

Judging by this farce of a review, I'm willing to bet that EVS would totally pan this for not having proper perspective -- from a man who spent decades doing brilliant, fantastical studies of perspective, geometry, and optical illusions.

EVS needs to spend a lot of time studying M C Escher. And I mean months.

EVS would probably criticize THIS for being horrible perspective, too:

https://uploads6.wikiart.org/images/m-c-escher/balcony.jpg

even though the trick demonstrated would work PERFECTLY in comic books, much better than the "Over all view, with the close-up of a detail enclosed in a circle, like a magnifying class without a handle" technique.

My overall impression of this review: EVS is jealous. And he's jealous because he had a chance to get in on it, and he didn't. And now it's too big to ignore, so he had to say something.



Since links don't always copy/paste well, first link is: https://uploads2.wikiart.org/images/m-c-escher/high-and-low.jpg

Blogger Tars Tarkusz June 19, 2018 1:00 PM  

The "Alt" label has been severely tainted and has become closely associated with wannabe Nazi Larpers idolizing a dead ideology where antisemitism is the only thing that matters.

I though Ethan and his silly father had really dumb criticisms of the comic. They were both saying they don't like the style. That is not a real criticism. There were some true criticisms from a technical point of view and we hope the team can improve with time, but most of it was 'I don't like this style'

I'd love to see what the very first issue of the modern comics looks like.

Blogger James Dixon June 19, 2018 3:45 PM  

> Consider a photograph of this scene, taken from near the top of a 20-30 foot A-framed painter's ladder, with a wide angle lens. On a hill, with the crest visable farther up the street.

Exactly. As far as I could tell the perspective was fine. Ethan seems to be assuming the viewer is right outside the frame. There is no reason to ever assume that.

> My overall impression of this review: EVS is jealous.

I didn't get that impression. What I got was that he doesn't really understand any art but his own, and thinks it's the measure of all art.

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