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Friday, June 22, 2018

Hey, as long as it's LEGAL

It should be interesting to see what all the conservative morons who have been mindlessly chanting "it's not the IMMIGRATION, it's the ILLEGALITY that is the problem" since the 1980s make of this:
Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Thursday, declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans. “And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”
Hey, if you're born American in Nicaragua or Honduras, then obviously you're entitled to live in the USA and collect welfare. Borders are just arbitrary lines on a map, after all, and there is just one race, the human race. And ALL men are created equal, so obviously no one is created a Peruvian or an American, therefore everyone on Earth should be given U.S. citizenship.

Right?

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 22, 2018 4:15 PM  

This helps us. No one can claim the current argument any more
Thanks AMLO.

Although I'm sure the cuckiest will proclaim that AMLO isn't a good source of information .

Blogger Crew June 22, 2018 4:17 PM  

It seems clear that certain forces want to push this to a conclusion.

Blogger S1AL June 22, 2018 4:18 PM  

You know how they say that the easiest way to predict the behavior of aa bureaucratic organization is to assume it's controlled by a cabal of its enemies?

It's nice to see that hurt the other side for once.

Blogger Al K. Annossow June 22, 2018 4:22 PM  

"Right?"

Si.

Blogger Matthew Taylor June 22, 2018 4:22 PM  

They Have to go Back.

Blogger L' Aristokrato June 22, 2018 4:23 PM  

Mexico needs to be nuked.

Blogger tz June 22, 2018 4:23 PM  

Remeber the Alamo.
And when, just before the war of Northern aggression a lot of US citizens migrated with their horses and guns into Mexico.

From the Halls of Montezuma...

We did it before and we can do it again!..

I may understand Hemp Control because a bullet is faster and more certan.

Blogger tz June 22, 2018 4:24 PM  

Now the SJWs are attacking Microsoft and Amazon because they help ICE.

OTOH, Amazon knows how to implement a return policy.

Blogger Ledford Ledford June 22, 2018 4:25 PM  

Wow. AMLO joins the Committee to Re-Elect the President. I mentioned this earlier, I'll say it again. All they had to do was run out the clock. But they're throwing it up the middle. Double Down.

Convergence is a b*tch. Seems to be affecting even their conspiracies.

Blogger Crew June 22, 2018 4:26 PM  

@9: Maybe they know the storm is coming and they think they need a diversion or a reason to impeach.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 22, 2018 4:31 PM  

Trump should send AMLO an autographed MAGA HAT. Along with a thank you note. A yuuge note, like the one he got from Kim.

Blogger Doug Cranmer June 22, 2018 4:33 PM  

It's really going to come to war.

It's one thing to know it intellectually.
It's another to see it actually happening.

Blogger Crew June 22, 2018 4:34 PM  

If Mexico sends in troops it will become obvious to most Americans that Mexicans here support Mexican troops. They will then all demand that the Mexicans be sent back!

Blogger John June 22, 2018 4:34 PM  

Excellent. We will have just cause to annex and the Baja Peninsula and repeal/replace its entire population.

Blogger Azimus June 22, 2018 4:37 PM  

Its my human right, and the human right of all North Americans, to vacation in the Presidential palace...

Blogger Dire Badger June 22, 2018 4:39 PM  

That's always the excuse that evil people use to make themselves feel less guilty for their vicious indulgences.

"It's legal, so it must be good."

Blogger Salt June 22, 2018 4:39 PM  

"we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States because Mexico sucks balls.”

There. Fixed it.

Blogger Longtime Lurker June 22, 2018 4:40 PM  

AMLO is a two-fer: He's going to ruin Mexico and the U.S. Democratic Party simultaneously.

Blogger August June 22, 2018 4:44 PM  

Can we just declare war now?

Blogger Nate June 22, 2018 4:44 PM  

we're all americans right? so Russia meddling in our election is fine right? Because they are americans to

Blogger VD June 22, 2018 4:46 PM  

Putin was born American in Moscow. PUTIN 2024!

Blogger Garuna June 22, 2018 4:46 PM  

This is very good news for Trump. AMLO is going to be the Mexican president for the rest of Trump's presidency. And his explicitly globohomo anti-borders rhetoric will fuel support for Trump's wall and immigration cuts.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 22, 2018 4:47 PM  

1. Well, the Zerg rush plan worked for Europe -- for a few years, anyway.

2. If borders don't matter, and anyone can be an American, then they can be perfectly good Americans... back in Guetemala. QED

3. The Left only cares about the law when they can use it as a stick to beat us with -- i.e. not at all. Rule 4 -- they look on it as "our book of rules." It doesn't apply to them.

4. Regardless of the current law (which is not enforced, of course) there is an urgent need for patriotic immigration reform. It's in the best interests of the American people. Anyone who opposes this clearly hates America -- just as AMLO does.

Blogger Robert Divinity June 22, 2018 4:50 PM  

It seems clear that certain forces want to push this to a conclusion.

"They were at war with us but we weren't at war with them."--Said No Cuck or Communist Ever about Mexico's War on the United States

Blogger Looking Glass June 22, 2018 4:52 PM  

He plans to full-on Chavez Mexico, and he's going to win going away here really soon.

At the same time, the MIC should be happy about this. Gun sales are going to skyrocket, further, and we get to invade Mexico. MIC gets to get back at the CIA for running all of the drugs into the country and screwing up arms sales for years.

Blogger Andrew Brown June 22, 2018 4:53 PM  

Forgot to cite the current year.

Blogger Al K. Annossow June 22, 2018 4:54 PM  

August wrote:Can we just declare war now?

L' Aristokrato wrote:Mexico needs to be nuked.

No. Declare them to be terrorists. We're too good to our defeated enemies.

Blogger Looking Glass June 22, 2018 4:55 PM  

It should probably be noted that while Mexico has been leftwing since the 1920s, the really bad state of the country has a lot to do with the Deep State murdering their economy several times. And control of the Cartels is always a fun discussion.

Blogger Garuna June 22, 2018 4:56 PM  

Trump ramping up his anti-immigration rhetoric with Angel Families.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLsxnCtxAYc&t=20m

I'm really in awe of Trump's rhetorical prowess. I can't imagine a single other right-wing politician surviving the kids in cages fake news from the past few days. But Trump punches back and it looks like he'll ultimately win.

Blogger artensoll June 22, 2018 5:08 PM  

@21 "PUTIN 2024!"

Back of the queue, mate. We've got him pencilled in for when the Queen pops her clogs.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 22, 2018 5:11 PM  



Saying: 'I don't care if my country is destroyed, as long as it's destroyed LEGALLY' is not a solution, its a justification.

Legal/illegal is not the issue.

The issue is, "You are not us, this country is for us.


Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone IS White Genocide.

Some basic truths: Access to White people is not a human right

https://i.imgur.com/wXKT2t5.png

Blogger Zwiebel June 22, 2018 5:11 PM  

OK, I know almost nothing about Mexico, it's far away and all, but... Did this politician just say: "We suck, vote for me, and it's not going to get any better"?

Seems a rather odd message to send to potential voters.

Blogger Christian Schulzke June 22, 2018 5:15 PM  

It's one thing to know it intellectually.
It's another to see it actually happening.

Absolutely right! I have been thinking that a lot lately. It was ok when it was all in the abstract. Now that shit is getting real....

Blogger Cetera June 22, 2018 5:15 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:It's really going to come to war.

It's one thing to know it intellectually.

It's another to see it actually happening.


Is an invasion of non-uniformed enemy combatants directed by a hostile nation considered an act of war? Asking for a friend...

Are they covered by the Geneva convention, or are they just fair game for, oh, say, whatever?

Blogger Mocheirge June 22, 2018 5:15 PM  

#ManifestDestinySouth

#MakeMexicoPorfirianAgain

Blogger Garuna June 22, 2018 5:16 PM  

The media made a big mistake pivoting to immigration. Like Parkland, it benefited Democrats for a few days but then it just energized Republicans to protect their guns/border.

I think if the midterm elections were held in December 2017, there would've been a blue wave. Democrats would've swept the House and Senate. And then they would've impeached Trump. Total disaster for us. But since then, in just a few short months, everything has changed. Democrats blew all their momentum like idiots and Trump overperformed as President.

With the current trajectory, I think in November Republicans will lose a few seats in the House but retain it. And they will gain a few seats in the Senate. A Republican win.

Trump will dub this the "Red Wave". The media/Democrats will fixate on the few seats gained in the House and yet again refuse to reform, thus handing Trump and the Republicans another win in 2020.

Blogger Desillusionerad June 22, 2018 5:17 PM  

Putin was born American in Moscow. PUTIN 2024!

Fairly sure you mean he was born in Petersburg, federal district.
Just as american as Petersburg, virginia.

Blogger MickDundee June 22, 2018 5:20 PM  

I wish I could say our “patriots” will defend our border if it comes down to it. Mexico could invade Texas with their army and your average conservadad boomer gun-owner will be too busy whacking off to Sean Hanity and (((Mark Levin))) to bother grabbing his AR-15.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar June 22, 2018 5:26 PM  

I think that I have mentioned this here before, and I often post this in the wild: Mexico has shirked its sovereign duties by not controlling its borders and territories. The US is justified in building facilities along the border on occupied Mexican soil. MAGA.

Blogger Al K. Annossow June 22, 2018 5:28 PM  

Source of drugs. Outlawed groups fighting their dysfunctional government using weapons we provided. Age of consent at 12 or 14. Mexico is sounding like Afghanistan. Tis about time for the opportunistic cuckservatives to declare an ineffectual version of a "War on Immigration." They can make their money off it by sending military equipment across the border and drone striking pretty much anything that moves. But of course, we'll still have to accept the refugees from this War on Immigration. It's only fair.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton June 22, 2018 5:28 PM  

Naive? I grew up with the idea that entry into another country than one's own is a privilege, not a right. My heresy is to believe that any privilege carries with it a corresponding and countervailing (suite of) responsibility(ies). In the case of an immigrant settler, the suite of responsibilities include loyalty to the new home, and adjoinment to its culture.

For whatever my opinion may be worth, I say cut immigration off, flat, for a few years, to give us time to sort it out fine. (Possible exception? Foreigners who, in their own countries, give blood service to the United States at potential cost of life.) 'Tis questionable whether we need immigration at all.

And these businessmen who lucubrate over the joys of cheap labor? My preferred treatment for such is the steel-capped butt of a World War Two main battle rifle, swung into their teeth with manful full force.

Blogger Dire Badger June 22, 2018 5:29 PM  

"Cetera wrote:Are they covered by the Geneva convention, or are they just fair game for, oh, say, whatever?"

No, they are considered 'illegal combatants', and they are fair game.

Although in reality we should dump the Geneva convention. It's only affect has been to make war, and the horrors of war, last indefinitely longer.

Blogger Steve June 22, 2018 5:32 PM  

Speaking of morons, remember former popular VP lolcow "Pedo" Phil Sandifer? Morbidly obese SJW goon who Vox slapped around in a debate a couple of years back?

This is him now.

Incidentally, he's going nuts about the Cholocaust, is now writing creepy murderfic about the President:

Elizabeth Sandifer
@ElSandifer

That story was always a bit "are you sure you're the person to write a story about a trans woman murdering billionaires" but actually yes, it turns out a I am 100% the person to write that story.

6:37 AM · Jun 21, 2018


Blogger Anchorman June 22, 2018 5:32 PM  

This in-kind contribution to Trump 2020 has been brought to you by the letter "emme."

Blogger Manuel June 22, 2018 5:34 PM  

I don't think Mexicans are capable of immigrating legally. The vast vast majority of those who are here are illegals or children of illegals or part of a chain migration going back to the amnesty.

Blogger Garuna June 22, 2018 5:39 PM  

I wish I could say our “patriots” will defend our border if it comes down to it. Mexico could invade Texas with their army and your average conservadad boomer gun-owner will be too busy whacking off to Sean Hanity and (((Mark Levin))) to bother grabbing his AR-15.

No, that will work in our favor. The globohomos were winning on immigration when they were subtle about it. Even Clinton, Bush, and Obama gave lip-service to protecting the border. It kept the Americans anesthetized.

Trump would've had no chance of winning in the 90s and 00s. Americans had too much faith in the swamp back then to take a chance on such a wild candidate. But in 2016 the globohomos became completely shameless: anti-borders, Muslim importation, blatant corruption in the Clinton e-mail investigation, anti-guns, anti-free speech, anti-capitalism, tranny agenda, cuck agenda, pedo agenda. So the people said "fuck this" and went for the wild candidate.

In the past two years, the conservative trust in the swamp, the media, and even academia has completely collapsed. Nobody even trusts the FBI anymore. These are huge developments. The conservatives are moving much farther right.

At this rate, if a truly extreme right-wing candidate were to run after Trump, I think he could actually win. That was impossible as recently as 2014. So I would say I am optimistic. If Mexico were to pull some caravan-type stunts, conservatives would mobilize to turn the seeming Republican victory in November into a proper Red Wave.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 22, 2018 5:39 PM  

AKSHUALLY Putin was born in Hawaii. He even has a real birth certificate and anyone who says otherwise is one of those crazy conspiracy theorists.

Blogger Salt June 22, 2018 5:40 PM  

Given the trajectory, come 2020 the Left will decry The Red Scare or The Red Menace. Should be entertaining.

Blogger Man of The West June 22, 2018 5:41 PM  

The US has gone to war with Mexico more times than it has gone to war with Germany. There shouldn’t be a border. There should be a Korean-style DMZ between the two countries.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 22, 2018 5:44 PM  

@29 Trump's ability to stay focused, keep up his own morale, and pivot at key moments is truly inspiring.

Blogger SciVo June 22, 2018 5:44 PM  

Cecil Henry wrote:Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone IS White Genocide.

That rhetoric sucks donkey balls.

Access to White people is not a human right

Now that's a winner! Factually, we can help more refugees for less in their home countries. And if someone actually tries to argue the counterpoint, well then forced school integration isn't benefiting anyone now, because we're running out of white kids to surround the minorities with -- just another way that open borders hurts our heritage blacks, by diluting their access to white people. Haven't they suffered enough, with the legacy of slavery? Why you gotta take away their only benefit!

Blogger Looking Glass June 22, 2018 5:45 PM  

Zwiebel wrote:OK, I know almost nothing about Mexico, it's far away and all, but... Did this politician just say: "We suck, vote for me, and it's not going to get any better"?

Seems a rather odd message to send to potential voters.


Mexico, like most Central/South American countries has a 3-tier class system. The top are normally as white as most Nordics, being of direct family descent. Some of the families have controlled the countries for hundreds of years. The middle which is much more mixed blood. The low class tends to be the "losers in the war that broke out when the Spainish showed up". Variations in each country for a lot of local reasons (like the Japanese elites in Peru, no joke), but that's the general idea.

Socialist/Marxist appeals to the low class pretty regularly. It's the reason why the "middle" are most of the illegals. No one likes to pay for when the Elites screw up.

Blogger dienw June 22, 2018 5:45 PM  

John wrote:Excellent. We will have just cause to annex and the Baja Peninsula and repeal/replace its entire population.

We have treaty rights to Mexican lands one hundred miles below the Rio Grand as part of the peace treaty that ended the Mexican-American war; let us take them.

Blogger Looking Glass June 22, 2018 5:49 PM  

As a reminder, Mexico has a lot of Oil. I'm sure we can get Max Boot on-board with an invasion. Where's Bill Krystal?

Blogger Cetera June 22, 2018 5:49 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:"Cetera wrote:Are they covered by the Geneva convention, or are they just fair game for, oh, say, whatever?"

No, they are considered 'illegal combatants', and they are fair game.


Hey, there's nothing *illegal* about being human! And your white privilege is showing, expecting some Mexican leader to learn all about laws set in place by a bunch of old, dead, white, heteronormative, cisgendered men! After all, it's the *current year*!

Blogger Matthew McDaniel June 22, 2018 5:53 PM  

From your lips to God’s ears, tovarish.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel June 22, 2018 5:55 PM  

I thought he was born in an Alaskan village.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel June 22, 2018 5:55 PM  

Filled with skulls- like in Terminator 2.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel June 22, 2018 5:57 PM  

Someone tell the neocons that Mexico plans to invade Israel. Mexico will be toast by tomorrow afternoon.

Blogger FP June 22, 2018 6:00 PM  

"declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans. “And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said"

Good ol' we are the world nonsense from a typical mexican socialist. There is a phenomenon among latin americans that they are Americans too (except during say the world cup). How dare the yanquis call themselves Americans because we're all in the Americas, North, Central and South. It seems the most pervasive among Brazilians I've come across online over the past twenty years.

Blogger Hammerli280 June 22, 2018 6:01 PM  

If this guy wins, the Marines can pencil in that return engagement at the Halls of Montezuma. And I agree about Baja California - we need to shorten the border and make it more readily defended.

Blogger Long Live The West June 22, 2018 6:06 PM  

That's always the excuse that evil people use to make themselves feel less guilty for their vicious indulgences.

"It's legal, so it must be good."

All good things are legal.

Let's see... Abortion, gay marriage, divorce, sterilizing ten year olds with puberty blockers....... and immigration!

Blogger Hammerli280 June 22, 2018 6:09 PM  

I'll point out that a declaration of war solves a whole lot of problems. In a war, all enemy nationals in your country can be removed, immediately. And anyone helping them stay gets to enjoy the joys of a Federal prison.

Blogger Long Live The West June 22, 2018 6:12 PM  

Nate wrote:we're all americans right? so Russia meddling in our election is fine right? Because they are americans to

I don't think you understand.

Russians are so... white.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 22, 2018 6:15 PM  

@43 Looks like Philizabeth is calling for armed revolution too. Good times.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 22, 2018 6:18 PM  

MickDundee wrote:Mexico could invade Texas with their army and your average conservadad boomer

Since "boomers" are in their 50's, 60's, and 70's they are not really the optimal age for combat operations.
Maybe try to get a few millennial punks to lay down their cell phones.

Blogger Ingemar June 22, 2018 6:18 PM  

After we build and place garrisons on the wall, we ought to lob a few score of Tomahawk missiles in Mexico City and demand a yearly tribute of fifty thousand boys under the age of thirteen as sacrifices to the Blood God.

Blogger tuberman June 22, 2018 6:22 PM  

Cry Havox, and release the Bulls of Snark!!

Blogger Jim Marotta June 22, 2018 6:46 PM  

Vox, I heard one time a few years back that we were actually a few votes short in the Senate for annexing all of mexico after the mex-American war. Along with this, the Army was prepping to road march the locals...all of them as a Trail of Tears II, to the border of Guatemala. It might have been just trash talk in the Pentagon when I was there in my Army days. I can't find anything on this. What sayest thou?

Blogger Unknown June 22, 2018 6:52 PM  

I was born American in another life, I'm sure. Have tried to be an ex-pat since. Hard to divest. Americanism permeates everything, like the smell of napalm in the morning.

Blogger Steve June 22, 2018 6:54 PM  

Looks like Philizabeth is calling for armed revolution too. Good times.

The CIA should look at building an all-trans crack wet ops team including Trannifer, Alexandra Erin, Brianna Wu, and that guy from Tor.com who looks like Andy Dick.

Call it SUICIDE SQUAD.

Blogger DeeJay June 22, 2018 7:17 PM  

Heh. Those guys working on the Calexit military-SF anthology must be cursing right now. It's one thing if a future Mexican government is playing dumb, and another entirely if it's openly demanding invasion and Aztlan... in possibly the worst imitation of Trump-style populism ever conceived.

At least all those unused Korean land mines will come in handy...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 22, 2018 7:21 PM  

This makes it so much easier on so many levels

Blogger OneWingedShark June 22, 2018 7:21 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:It's really going to come to war.
It's one thing to know it intellectually.
It's another to see it actually happening.

Indeed. I knew it years ago; that the border problem, left unchecked, would mean war. / It's just demoralizing to know that the government was on their side for all those years.

Cetera wrote:Is an invasion of non-uniformed enemy combatants directed by a hostile nation considered an act of war? Asking for a friend...
Are they covered by the Geneva convention, or are they just fair game for, oh, say, whatever?

Unlawful combatants are not afforded any protections under Geneva and Hague, IIRC. (Well, except for 'human rights'.)

Blogger The Smoking Man #3424 June 22, 2018 7:25 PM  

Long Live The West wrote:Nate wrote:we're all americans right? so Russia meddling in our election is fine right? Because they are americans to

I don't think you understand.

Russians are so... white.


The correct nomenclature is "People of Light"

Blogger tuberman June 22, 2018 7:59 PM  

@69


Must admit, Guatemala makes an easy border to guard. It is small.

Blogger Lazarus June 22, 2018 8:05 PM  

@69 I heard one time a few years back that we were actually a few votes short in the Senate for annexing all of mexico ....

Should have done it. Then build THE WALL at the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, which is only 200 km (124 mi) across.

Think of the money that would have been saved.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 22, 2018 8:09 PM  

They'd have figured out another way to screw us.

Blogger tublecane June 22, 2018 8:28 PM  

Is there anything more conservative than letting people who will destroy the country settle here because Declaration/New Colossus?

Blogger traderdoc June 22, 2018 8:46 PM  

The Irish sisters of the Sorcha Faal convent addressed this today.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2592.htm

Blogger Al Du Clur June 22, 2018 9:13 PM  

The commentators here don't seem to realize that AMLO's viewpoint will be the winning one because it is the same as the Jew's plans just differing in the final objective. He wants Mexicans to be in charge of the US, Jews want Jews.

I wish Trump would tweet AMLO's comments and force democrats to say whether they agree. Alas, Trump isn't having a personal feud with him yet.

Blogger Lazarus June 22, 2018 9:35 PM  

Not really OT

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s speech at the inauguration of the Monument to the Victims of Soviet Occupation

Blogger Avalanche June 22, 2018 9:50 PM  

@74 "Unlawful combatants are not afforded any protections under Geneva and Hague, IIRC. (Well, except for 'human rights'.)"

You mean, human rights like free college and free medical care?

I prefer trebuchets at 1/4 mile, with a big beautiful wall to shoot OVER!

Blogger Lance E June 22, 2018 9:56 PM  

Conditions must be even more horrible in Mexico than I had imagined. Can you picture any American presidential candidate making emigration to China or Russia a central campaign plank? A Swedish candidate advocating for emigration to the UK?

How much of a shithole does a country have to be before that becomes a popular political platform?

Blogger Al K. Annossow June 22, 2018 10:17 PM  

Any socialist leader of Mexico would need more emigration. All those expatriates send back a lot of money.

Blogger Bobiojimbo June 22, 2018 10:38 PM  

Thanks for that, VD. I appreciate your dark humor.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim June 22, 2018 11:18 PM  

I think many here over-estimate the American woman's drive for self-perseverance. It's much easier to mother over other people's poor children than to put down the wine bottle and have your own. Black pill in high heels.

Blogger Gen. Kong June 22, 2018 11:21 PM  

The Smoking Man #3424 wrote:
Long Live The West wrote:
Nate wrote:
we're all americans right? so Russia meddling in our election is fine right? Because they are americans to

I don't think you understand.

Russians are so... white.


The correct nomenclature is "People of Light"


Vlad is paleface so Max Boot and La Raza do not approve. You must be the one trolling the CN hopium dens over at 8-chan ... the haze is very thick over there.

Blogger James Oakes June 22, 2018 11:29 PM  

Vox, this Daily Caller piece is the fakiest of fake news. AMLO is the closest thing Mexico has to a national populist and will most likely win the July 1st elections. His position on migration is quite different from that portrayed in the article.

1) Of course, he says he'll defend Mexicans living abroad. That's quite obvious and only to be expected. If he said otherwise, he'd never win and wouldn't deserve to. No self-respecting nation could possibly announce a different position. So of course he will "defend migrants".

2) However, AMLO is quite clear that immigration is a disaster... for Mexico. That snippet that people "must leave their towns and find a life in the United States" is quoted fully out of context. AMLO's shtick is that poor Mexicans are forced to leave by the rapacious and corrupt Mexican elite which denies them opportunities inside their country. Far from promoting their migration, as the DC piece makes it seem, AMLO's position is that, in a reformed Mexico, migration won't be necessary.

3) In order to achieve that, besides his full program which I will summarize by saying it is Trumpian (protectionist + state activism), he says he will propose to the U.S. a program modelled on JFK's Alliance for Progress, in which the U.S. will redirect part of the money it spends buying support from the corrupt elites to promote development in southern Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, which would stem economic migration from these regions. AMLO also says that improved economic conditions and the end of the war on the drug trafficking cartels (AMLO has said he will consider amnesty - and likely legalization - in exchange for peace -) will make it possible to stop migration.

Now, AMLO is a politician and you can easily see what parts of this program could go forward rather easily (U.S. funds for Central America, if Trump accepted the idea), and which wouldn't (migration actually stopping). But it's hard to think it would make the current situation WORSE, and it might have a shot at making it better.

Recall that the absolute number of Mexicans living in the U.S. has been stagnant at around 11 million for the last ten years. Of course Mexicans still cross the border, but about the same number comes back, every year. The real problem are the Central Americans - Guatemalans, Hondurans and Salvadoreans - whose number have been increasing exponentially. Mexico could help with that, given a decent deal on the economy.

TBH, I guess that is why Trump hasn't ditched NAFTA as was so widely expected. Just ending the agreement would throw Mexico into turmoil, and that can't be good the for the border. It would be better to renegotiate a better deal for the U.S. economy while leaving something for the Mexicans to live with. And we shouldn't forget that the vaunted U.S. deficit with Mexico focuses only on trade in goods - if you factor in services, the U.S. runs a surplus with Mexico. NAFTA is bad, but it could be worse. It would be better to have the factories in the U.S., but it surely is better to have them in Mexico, a weak country next door, than to have them in China.

And China is the real issue in U.S.-Mexico relations, because even the Mexican surplus in trade in goods with the U.S. is not quite what it seems. It's easy to see that once you remember that Mexico actually runs a trade deficit even though it has this enormous surplus with the U.S. How is that possible? Simple: the Mexican surplus with the U.S. is more than compensated by the Mexican trade deficit with East Asia in general and China in particular. So the U.S. trade deficit with Mexico is not really "with Mexico"; it's just another account within the gigantic U.S. trade deficit with China. ]

To summarize, AMLO may become a partner. It would be best if it were so. We'll see.

Blogger Irene Sanborn June 22, 2018 11:45 PM  

"Hey, if you're born American in Nicaragua or Honduras, then obviously you're entitled to live in the USA and collect welfare. Borders are just arbitrary lines on a map, after all, and there is just one race, the human race. And ALL men are created equal, so obviously no one is created a Peruvian or an American, therefore everyone on Earth should be given U.S. citizenship." Isn't that feedoom of movement? Also immigrants ddon't collect welfare. https://www.clasp.org/press-room/news-clips/verify-are-most-immigrants-welfare
So yeah calling them parasites when they run from a violent president trump supports sounds like a douch move. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/central-america-s-violence-turmoil-keeps-driving-families-u-s-n884956

Blogger James Oakes June 22, 2018 11:48 PM  

@69

The complete annexation of Mexico was discussed but didn't go far, precisely because no one was quite willing to do a Trail of Tears with almost the entire Mexican population, and few were willing to enfranchise those mestizo Catholic Spanish-speakers. John C. Calhoun spearheaded the resistance to the idea.

What took longer to die was President Polk's desire to annex much more of Mexico than what he eventually did. The instructions of the American delegation in the peace talks with the Mexicans were to get all of the sparsely populated "north", actually coming quite close to the line Guadalajara-Mexico City. But that proved too much, for the Mexican government was so weak it would surely fall and a protracted guerrilla war would become likely. Polk wanted more land, but he also wanted a quick peace, so in the end he compromised. Even then, the Guadalupe-Hidalgo Treaty would have brought the Mexican government down if it weren't for the American "indemnity" money which made it possible for it to survive.

Blogger flyingtiger June 22, 2018 11:49 PM  

Screw this. I am going to one of these countries and stake out land. I have a "Human Right" to do this.

Blogger Jack Amok June 22, 2018 11:55 PM  

Hey, if you're born American in Nicaragua or Honduras...

Vox is just trolling the spergs with that line.

And I should know by now not to click on links from Steve. I need another whiskey to settle my stomach.

Well, all in all, this is more proof of Rule #2. Trump won on immigration, and they just can't stop doubling down on it.

Blogger wisdom wizard June 23, 2018 12:39 AM  

Bill Maher attacked Mike Cernovich on his show. Wonder what's happening recently that he would ever bother mentioning an alt media person?

Blogger DonReynolds June 23, 2018 12:44 AM  

AMLO thinks it is such a good idea for everyone to gatecrash into the USA, but he is not planning on doing it himself. He plans to live in Mexico City instead and cheer as his fellow country folk drift across the undefended US border. But AMLO is going to stay behind with the women and drink beer, while everyone else does the reconquista on the Anglos. Pay him no regard.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 23, 2018 12:47 AM  

43. Steve June 22, 2018 5:32 PM
This is him now.


and to think, Pedophil still wants to fuck children.

Blogger Frank Brady June 23, 2018 12:53 AM  

I may be old but I'm still awfully fucking good.

Blogger DonReynolds June 23, 2018 1:07 AM  

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Blogger DonReynolds June 23, 2018 1:10 AM  

Hammerli280 wrote:I'll point out that a declaration of war solves a whole lot of problems. In a war, all enemy nationals in your country can be removed, immediately. And anyone helping them stay gets to enjoy the joys of a Federal prison.
Uh no. Anyone who gives aid or comfort to the enemy during time of war is guilty of Treason. The reward for that is not a safe space cell with magazines. They get a blindfold and a cigarette, probably the next morning.

Make some examples and convince them you are serious and you are playing for keeps. Enemy aliens? They wish they could leave, but the answer is NO. They will spend the duration in a prison, if we are in a good mood. The war is over for them.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 23, 2018 2:58 AM  

In less cucked times this would be recognized as a declaration of war.

Which is exactly what it is.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2018 3:14 AM  

@85- It's not just interlopers sending money back. The plan I guess would be to gain decisive influence over local, regional, and perhaps even state politics in the Southwest (and beyond!), thus gaining all sorts if welfare and trade advantages.

Blogger Stephen Saintonge June 23, 2018 3:23 AM  

"And ALL men are created equal, so obviously no one is created a Peruvian or an American, therefore everyone on Earth should be given U.S. citizenship.

"Right?"

No, the theory of natural rights is about whether some people are naturally required to labor on behalf of their "betters." It has nothing whatsoever to say about nations and borders.

Blogger Paul M June 23, 2018 4:28 AM  

So, will the Mexican government send in the army to defend the rights of these people? Very much looking forward to the attempted Mexican military invasion of the USA. The middle east has gotten boring, *and* it will be a fine way to get the troops back home.

You know …

The *only* mechanism that the MIC has to withdraw from a war is to start another one. Eg: the Iraq war was engineered to get the troops out of Saudi Arabia (Bin Laden's main demand). Could this US/Mexico war be brewing in order to get the US out of some of its overseas foreign entanglements? I mean: if peace unfortunately breaks out on the Korean peninsula, what's the deep state going to do with all those boys and equipment? The sensible thing is to militarize your southern border.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 23, 2018 6:24 AM  

"Under U.S. law, teenagers and tots cannot be detained for more than 20 days and must be held in the least-restrictive facilities. But if the children cannot be separated from the parents as they await trial, both will have to be released to keep families together.

We are back to “catch and release.”

When that welcome news hits Central America, the migrant stream moving north will become a river that never ceases to flow."


Has the West the Will to Survive?

By Patrick J. Buchanan

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/06/patrick-j-buchanan/has-the-west-the-will-to-survive/

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2018 11:29 AM  

> We are back to “catch and release.”

Seriously? Have you learned nothing over the past 17 months? If the law says the children must be released, and the policy is the children must stay with the parents, then the entire family is immediately deported to comply with the law.

Blogger Ceerilan June 23, 2018 12:06 PM  

The left defines the immigration debate so thoroughly in the American cultural mindset that most people seem to confuse desire to protect cultural identity with racism. Look at the public's reaction to the English defense league. Look at Americas cuckservatives and churchianity. Liberalism told the west to avoid war we had to abandon our roots, now those roots are nowhere to be found when a wave of immigrants wants to replace us.

Blogger insight June 23, 2018 1:41 PM  

It doesn't matter if American whites simply packed up and moved to Canada and gave America to the Mexicants and other brown races, for within a few years to a couple of decades they would be illegally crossing the border into Canada as well. Tried explaining this to the idiots that want to give away the SW to La Raza.

Blogger wahr01 June 23, 2018 2:55 PM  

>"The left defines the immigration debate so thoroughly in the American cultural mindset that most people seem to confuse desire to protect cultural identity with racism."

Perhaps in Europe, not in America.
They started polling during the "controversy" last week, the results were damning to the DNC:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/june_2018/voters_blame_parents_not_feds_for_border_children_crisis

Blogger Mark Stoval June 23, 2018 3:03 PM  

@105

"Seriously? Have you learned nothing over the past 17 months?"

Those words were a quote from Patrick J. Buchanan who I have followed longer than most here have been alive. I understand VD's father was a supporter in the old days.

Time will tell, but Buchanan has been right far more times than wrong. He even predicted all this was coming long ago.

So, you believe what you want and I'll do the same.

Blogger wahr01 June 23, 2018 3:12 PM  

@109

For most of Buchanan's career the GOP has been run by cucks.

I see the following happening instead:

Open Borders groups challenge Trump EO on parental separation.

Cosmic injunction from HI or SDNY "resist" court.

Trump calls a press conference and says: Sorry, going to resume doing this because we must enforce our borders. Don't like it? Thank a Lefty

Blogger Tomislav Ostojich June 23, 2018 8:47 PM  

"And ALL men are created equal, so obviously no one is created a Peruvian or an American, therefore everyone on Earth should be given U.S. citizenship."

All men are created equal. If you want to design a society otherwise then you shouldn't complain when the Chinese (e.g.) designate you their inferior by your own silly design. Why do you presume that you'll be the subjugator instead of the one subjugated? ;)

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