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Thursday, June 21, 2018

Mailvox: dealing with Gammas

A pair of readers were wondering about Gammas and whether it is worth putting up with them:
You've worked with a lot of people. Gammas can be bright in tech, for example, but they're so toxic and annoying. Are they ever worth keeping on or like SJWs, keep them away?
The problem is that Gammas often make themselves subject matter experts, or at least succeed in presenting themselves as such. They can be utilized successfully so long as you are VERY careful to keep them focused on their areas of actual expertise as opposed to the areas where they only have delusions of expertise. The challenge is that Gammas are very good at doing intense research in a short period of time, but they will only do so in order to support their preconceived position, and they absolutely refuse to recognize any genuine authority on matters where they erroneously believe they have educated themselves sufficiently.

It is not at all beyond Gamma capabilities for an overweight, unathletic man who has never played football to loftily explain to an NFL quarterback how he should be throwing the ball.  That's a fictitious example, but I have personally witnessed situations every bit as ridiculous. Even worse, it is entirely possible that if his advice is rejected out of hand, the Gamma will feel betrayed and furiously devote himself to sabotaging the individual or the organization he was previously seeking to help.

As a general rule, then, it is best to bring in Gammas as short-term consultants when necessary, if their particular skills happen to be required. But they should never be given authority over others or any control over mission-critical materials or decisions. Gammas consider the threat of blackmail and the withholding of necessary information and material to be perfectly legitimate negotiating tactics.

Another reader was genuinely bothered by the way in which I dealt with a Gamma:
This thread bothered me immensely. You give the most amazing impression of being a man with limitless energy, mental and physical. I’m only  a few years older than you, and I know that’s fucking not true. (That said,  I have no idea what chemical adjuncts you may or may not employ; my guess is none but if it’s otherwise, please share.)

Straight to the point:  you should not waste precious time or energy on these dickheads because what you’re doing is too important. Seriously. I very much think you should limit comments to trusted commenters, because that will reduce the energy given to moderation.

By all means, start broad and then whittle the list. My preference (for what it’s worth) is to not see you ever waste time or energy on dissecting a posturing idiot like this again.
My energy is far from limitless, but since I tend to feed on negativity and opposition, I find the constant attempts to belittle, discredit, and discount me to be motivating. This may or may not be psychologically healthy in the long term, but it certainly helps one achieve one's objectives.

Granted, it does get tedious dealing with the same sort of posturing nonsense over and over again, but I think our new moderating system with seven VFM handling the resonsibilities instead of me has the situation well under control.

People around me do say that I work all the time, but the fact is that I enjoy my work more than I enjoy most things that people consider recreational. I literally can't work out or play soccer any more than I do - my occasional injuries almost inevitably reflect overtraining - and I tend to enjoy designing games more than playing them now.

That being said, if I could get away with it, I would happily burn every loose piece of paper in my office and in my files and never even think of doing any paperwork again. Forget immigration and women's liberation, if they really wanted to take the chains off the economy and return to the glory days of strong economic growth, the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses.

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Blogger Ken Prescott June 21, 2018 9:28 AM  

"Forget immigration and women's liberation, if they really wanted to take the chains off the economy and return to the glory days of strong economic growth, the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses."

Paperwork is the bane of actual work. Some is necessary--if you don't write it down, it didn't happen--but all too often it becomes an end in itself.

Back in 1991, the US military message network--called AUTODIN (AUTOmatic DIgital Network)--collapsed on Day One of Desert Storm. It stopped being able to send traffic within the expected timelines for delivery.

So, the Joint Chiefs of Staff imposed a worldwide MINIMIZE. Stop transmitting unnecessary message traffic! They actually mandated a YUGE reduction in traffic volume. The problem was that it had to go out to the world by . . . message. So just getting the traffic from the Pentagon to the rest of the world was . . . interesting. (I received the message by having it read to me over the phone.)

I looked at the daily reports I was expected to send to higher HQ, and sighed--all of them were marked "MINIMIZE CONSIDERED," i.e., they were supposed to be sent during MINIMIZE . . . but I had to cut my traffic total.

A Master Chief at Atsugi came to my rescue. "Easy, son, don't send ANY traffic for three days. Wait until someone complains. Then send them a backdated message and blame the whole thing on the AUTODIN backlog."

Ended up cutting my traffic load by 60%, freeing up time to do an audit on flight hours flown versus flight hours in the logbooks, and generally making my last seven months in the Marine Corps a LOT less hectic.

Blogger Keyser Soze June 21, 2018 9:28 AM  

I once read that the 1st governor of Hong Kong (Pottinger?) decided he wasn't going to waste any money on "measuring" the economy - unemployment, GDP, population, regulations, etc.,,,. It was as a consequence a "hands off" government style, thus allowing money and investments to go where the best return was at within the city. Seemed to work out rather well....

Blogger artensoll June 21, 2018 9:28 AM  

"My preference (for what it’s worth) is to not see you ever waste time or energy on dissecting a posturing idiot like this again."

I see Vox as a teacher. When he dissects a posturing idiot, I learn. When he talks about Gammas. I learn. When he talks about wine, I learn.

It's all good IMVHO.

Blogger Peaceful Poster June 21, 2018 9:32 AM  

the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses.

The GE is on it.

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 21, 2018 9:35 AM  

All the stinking promises of how computers would eliminate paperwork. They missed the boat on that one.

The machine lives for records and more records. It's growing still. My ancestors used to hunt down miscreants who committed vile acts like creating paperwork and display their heads as trophies. I'm a toothless poodle descended from dire wolves.

Blogger RC June 21, 2018 9:39 AM  

"Forget immigration and women's liberation, if they really wanted to take the chains off the economy and return to the glory days of strong economic growth, the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses."

Amen and amen. The good news for Americans is that we finally have a courageous president who really and truly understands the governmental burden thrown on the backs of entrepreneurs by their supposed overlords. Let swift judgment begin! Remove the fetters and let the world watch with amazement.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville June 21, 2018 9:45 AM  

the challenge is that Gammas are very good at doing intense research in a short period of time, but they will only do so in order to support their preconceived position,

This kind of SME can't think or analyze outside the box, so their conclusions are just as often wrong as they are right. If I know they are like that in advance then I wouldn't use them.


My tried and true is a huge inbox. I scan it, and if no immediate action is necessary but I think it might later, it goes into the inbox. Once or twice a year I go through the inbox and usually trash most of it. I only occasionally have to rifle through it to find something.

Blogger Silly but True June 21, 2018 9:51 AM  

@VD:
You’re entitled to some of that SPLC money. Make them pay.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/3.4-million-defamation-win-inspires-60-groups-to-consider-suing-anti-christ

Blogger Johnny June 21, 2018 9:54 AM  

"I once read that the 1st governor of Hong Kong (Pottinger?) decided he wasn't going to waste any money on "measuring" the economy..."

My memory could be faulty here, but I think the book Eat the Rich: A Treatise on Economics goes into this in some detail. An easy reading book, not challenging. An easy case can be made that government interventions are almost wholly damaging. For a modern society (not tribal), Hong Kong has a history of being one of the least regulated places on earth, and they have prospered considerably.

Blogger Nathan Bissonette June 21, 2018 9:58 AM  

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Blogger Shimshon June 21, 2018 10:00 AM  

My experience as an experienced developer has opened my eyes to this. There are more than a few coders who fancy themselves team leaders, managers, even CTOs.

I had a boss at a job not too long ago of a small startup. With a PhD from a top-notch CS program. Called himself a CTO. Had some interesting ideas, but programmed like it was 1999. Decided that in addition to CTO, was also the team leader (he proceeded to hire a large team instead of just two hired guns). Hired me to help steer him straight (so he said), but bristled at even the tiniest decisions. After a few bristles, just decided to phone it in until the eventual demise, which was not long in coming.

Made many stupid, some seriously fatal, mistakes. Facepalm after facepalm.

My conclusion early on: gamma.

I had another boss who was more technically adept and not just book smart, but also a terrible manager. Did not know how to manager. Never reviewed code (my coworker's sloppy code was all over the place, for example). He fired me, even though I had not done anything fireable, then complained to me after doing so that he had so much extra work to do since I was no longer around to do it. Not tone deaf at all.

Conclusion: gamma.

Blogger OneWingedShark June 21, 2018 10:24 AM  

Nathan Bissonette wrote:Reduce paperwork? As the man says: insufficient opportunities for graft.
This is perhaps more true than you know; at the very least it reduces the number of petty bureaucrats who can arbitrarily interpret the regulations one way or the other, and that is unacceptable to those in power.

VD wrote:That being said, if I could get away with it, I would happily burn every loose piece of paper in my office and in my files and never even think of doing any paperwork again. Forget immigration and women's liberation, if they really wanted to take the chains off the economy and return to the glory days of strong economic growth, the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses.

There's a petition to congress with some proposed Constitutional amendments which would do some of this.
* Tax reform: placing a hard limit on the maximum rate for income tax, forbidding varying rates, eliminating withholdings, stripping all fines, fees, and tax from the regulatory agencies and placing them squarely in Congress's lap; and explicitly mandating for Jury trials for tax courts.
* Fiscal Responsibility: Returns to the gold standard, places limits on debt, and forbids "unfunded liabilities".

Blogger DJ | AMDG June 21, 2018 10:31 AM  

So funny and so true. I started selling print distribution and paper reduction software in the early 90s. We made boat loads of money selling software that automated what people themselves could just choose to do if they wanted. I know guys to this day still making half mg a year still selling the same crap. Of course now it’s called Content Management SaaS. Things change....and don’t.

Blogger R Webfoot June 21, 2018 10:46 AM  

I was very amused at the scene in Sea Of Skulls with the elf wargaming expert. Definitely an example of truth-in-fiction that one doesn't often see in the mainstream.

Blogger Crush Limbraw June 21, 2018 10:46 AM  

"My energy is far from limitless, but since I tend to feed on negativity and opposition, I find the constant attempts to belittle, discredit, and discount me to be motivating. This may or may not be psychologically healthy in the long term, but it certainly helps one achieve one's objectives." -

Works for me as well on Disqus where I do most of my commenting, usually with a healthy dose of referring to a Vox article or another heavyweight opinionist.

Blogger Ledford Ledford June 21, 2018 10:50 AM  

Gammas are very good at doing intense research in a short period of time

I'm a bit in awe of Gamma energy and output. I could never respond to a perceived insult with a wall of bitter text. I'd gas out after a paragraph.

My energy is far from limitless, but since I tend to feed on negativity and opposition, I find the constant attempts to belittle, discredit, and discount me to be motivating.

As a fundamentally lazy man, I think I need more and better enemies.

Blogger Jack Amok June 21, 2018 10:52 AM  

but programmed like it was 1999

I wouldn't say that's automatically a bad thing. Too many people who program like it's 2018 are nothing but a bunch of dirty monkeypatchers, stringing together crap they found on Stack Overflow without really understanding anything. And following stupid trends - here's where the Gamma really comes in, chasing fads that let them claim they're super smart and ahead of everyone else.

So flatmap your reactive programming and zipwith that functional crap too. Changes that would have taken a hour to make in 1999 fill up a two week sprint today because the modern gamma coding patterns are so bad.

Blogger justaguy June 21, 2018 11:02 AM  

The real problem is that Gammas infest many organizations just like SJWs. Since many jobs are in these organization and not everyone can just become anti-fragile very easily -- many of us have had to work in those organizations with both SJW and gammas. "SJWs always Lie" was a great guide to avoiding/ not being killed by SJWs. Gamma are another issue. Until one is in management one can avoid gamma anger simply be keeping one's mouth shut about the absurdity the gamma is spouting-- or if not about work, agreeing/nodding/uh-huh the conversation.

Other strategies for no running afoul of gamma in an SJW world/office?

Blogger Shimshon June 21, 2018 11:08 AM  

@17 Jack Amok, I see your case. By 1999, I mean a time where the concept of front end development didn't even exist. It was as if there was no such thing as even jQuery. And Javascript was just this huge black box to him.

But his coding defects were hardly the worst problem. His priority was making an internal dashboard. I nudged him that the customer dashboard, for the single customer they managed to land, and could make or break the company, was far more important. We lost the customer. Their two complaints. A startup (okay, can't do anything about that), and PRIMITIVE CUSTOMER DASHBOARD. Did I call it? Facepalm.

He also made bad technical design decisions that ended up being fatal in terms of even being able to do what they set out to do. His decision to go with a NoSQL instead of MySQL for structured logging data killed our ability to analyze or collate it in needed ways. It was also a low rent NoSQL solution, making querying large data sets impossible.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 21, 2018 11:12 AM  

"His decision to go with a NoSQL instead of MySQL..."

SQL is so unfashionable

Blogger electricsheeple June 21, 2018 11:21 AM  

I was discussing strategies for a cutting diet (keto, intermittent fasting etc) with a friend. A gamma friend who I've known for a very long time, was telling us how wrong all of us were and presented himself as an expert.

The gamma is about 5'3 probably 250-300 pounds (I'm bad at guessing weight but he's very short and fat).


He still presented himself, shamelessly, as an expert on weight loss.


Me and my other friend lift weights reguarly and prob both need to drop only about 15 pounds to get really cut, but the fat gamma felt himself as the expert among the 3 of us. The gamma is also a full blown alcoholic and drug addict which probably makes his delusions worse.

Blogger Eduardo June 21, 2018 11:22 AM  

Vox Mental Breakdown in: 5, 4, 3, 2... ops apparently your belief that Vox would have a mental breakdown has given him extra energy.

Vox Mental Breakdown in: 100, 99, 98, 97...

Blogger electricsheeple June 21, 2018 11:28 AM  

I had another Gamma roommate in law school years ago. He constantly tried to shame me for studying too much (despite the fact that I was crushing pussy and bringing hotter chicks back to the apartment as well).

He went as far as to play a "joke" on me by messing with my study outline (200 page outline on microsoft word) by using "find" and "replace" functions to change words up in the outline to "funny words"


After I got top 10% in my class in the first year, which was posted by the lawschool publicly, and he did not, he would never stop talking about how lucky I was because I got the easy professors.


I got a new roommate.

Blogger Dave June 21, 2018 11:36 AM  

but since I tend to feed on negativity and opposition, I find the constant attempts to belittle, discredit, and discount me to be motivating.

That has me slightly concerned where you will continue to find your motivation. The SJWs don't even bother trying to attack you on Amazon anymore. FFS the reviews for Crackdown are all positive; and that's your first attempt at writing (not adapting) a comic. How will you resist the temptation to set the cruise control and coast the rest of the way? Not that I think you would do that, but mere mortals might be tempted.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman June 21, 2018 11:43 AM  

"I'm a bit in awe of Gamma energy and output. I could never respond to a perceived insult with a wall of bitter text. I'd gas out after a paragraph."

Its rather impressive, to say the least. The level of vitriol over some perceived slight makes one realize there is an element of mental illness involved.

"the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses."

Couldn't agree more. Personally owning two businesses has really driven this home. In most instances, you are legally obligated to keep this junk for at least 10 years. In this litigious society, it probably makes sense to keep most of it for life.
Which segues into another issue. The push for everything to become technologically advanced, under the guise of making things more efficient. Ive seen this with heavy equipment. It's gotten so bad that what used to be minor issues, are now major ones that involve dealership tech support...costing major downtime and mechanic expense. Essentially they are creating a walled "electronic" garden from which you cant escape.


Blogger Man of The West June 21, 2018 11:44 AM  

My firsthand experience with paperwork in my work place. The product developers in my division had to complete this series of digital recordings and paperwork to submit program concepts to the digital design team. The process wasted hours just to allow us to submit files/jobs down to a division that knew little to nothing about them, and screwed up 50% of the resulting designs, causing days of delay and communication to rectify them.

So we just stopped doing it. I noticed we could access the final design servers and place files in them, so I completed the designs myself and loaded them directly to the servers that the designers were supposed to. The practice became the norm within the entire developer wing of the division. Path of least resistance I suppose.

When my supervisor caught wind of it months later, him being the biggest proponent of following the antiquated process that was established in the days of type setting and oil paints, he called a meeting with me and the design division heads. I guess he wanted to prove to me that the process was a necessity by having the design heads lay into me on why my shortcut was wrong.

Instead we had a five minute meeting of the design heads singing my praises and explaining that they plan to introduce my process across all other divisions within the enterprise. Apparently they too found the old system to be a redundant mess. The meeting resulted in my recent promotion instead of being reprimanded for insubordination.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 21, 2018 11:45 AM  

"That being said, if I could get away with it, I would happily burn every loose piece of paper in my office and in my files and never even think of doing any paperwork again."

My man!

You have an excellent point too. Paperwork reflects bureaucratic reach, and less of that is virtually always better.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch June 21, 2018 11:53 AM  

VD: "People around me do say that I work all the time, but the fact is that I enjoy my work more than I enjoy most things that people consider recreational."

Vox, have you and yours gone on family camping trips? Here in the US? Italy?

I'd be curious to know what your experiences were like. I just did a Rushmore-Yellowstone circuit. It was mostly positive, though I had a few annoyances along the way.

Blogger Silent Draco June 21, 2018 11:56 AM  

I kept Gammas at bay by feeding them task pieces, so the felt important and almost constantly "needed." Worked fairly well. Just make sure there's a specific output you must have by a date, whether it's code, report, or data compilation or review. Kept the spikes handy for periodic cucifixion when things were late or not as directed.

The one time we didn't do this, a bright Gamma stopped before delivering code and manuals for a key project, chased something shiny and ignored paying customers. Still trying to recover on a next-gen major upgrade. He's now begging for project work or support, and getting ignored. Too bad, because he hasn't learned the base lesson.

Dave, I expect no cruise control. That grim throne is made of skulls, remember? Silvered or not, the organic matter will crumble over time. Periodic maintenance is a SDL's pretext for collecting more skulls.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 21, 2018 11:59 AM  

Bureaucracy naturally propagates, however a least 99 times/100 propagation is entirely uncalled for.

Blogger Nate73 June 21, 2018 12:03 PM  

@23: Sounds like the roommate from hell. It would be much better to recognize the traits of a gamma early on than to have to suffer through a semester like that.

Blogger Peter Gent June 21, 2018 12:11 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:Paperwork reflects bureaucratic reach, and less of that is virtually always better.
It is more than that; it is power and demand backed by penalties and often runs through the hands of gammas and sjws, who are just looking for an excuse to flex their "muscle".

Blogger electricsheeple June 21, 2018 12:14 PM  

If you could just have those TPS reports ready. . .

Blogger R Webfoot June 21, 2018 12:18 PM  

@25
"Its rather impressive, to say the least. The level of vitriol over some perceived slight makes one realize there is an element of mental illness involved."

Everything you see on the internet makes more sense when you can see it in person.
For instance, I saw the bitter wall of text in person when one gamma SJW heard a mention of a group of people he despises - in this case, the sort of hard-line culture-unplugging Christians who do not let their kids watch Pokémon. He burst into deranged laughter, physically doubling over, at their mere mention.

A very nice and meek young lady then presented the argument that some of them might be motivated by some desire to avoid something bad. It was like flipping a switch; his deranged laughter turned into an unhinged rant.

On the internet, all you can see is the words. But in person, I could see how his eyes glazed over from the emotional pain. It is said the eyes are the window to the soul; those eyes were a portal straight to Hell.

Blogger wreckage June 21, 2018 12:24 PM  

"Forget immigration and women's liberation, if they really wanted to take the chains off the economy and return to the glory days of strong economic growth, the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses."

Amen and hallelujah; from your lips to God's ears.
GEOTUS is apprently of a similar mind, may he live forever.

Blogger wreckage June 21, 2018 12:28 PM  

@34 as an autistic, I live sometimes with similar pain. The Gamma though has no moral compass, certainly none comprehensive and rigidly adhered to, to differentiate between a true slight, and his own irritability.

At least some Gammas then, are the product of a dysfunctional culture, and I suspect far more are the product of a dysfunctional family.

Blogger SB Wright June 21, 2018 12:28 PM  

One of the gamma traits Vox talks about is the inability/refusal to forget an insult or a slight, and harbor a grudge for a ridiculous length of time. At some future point, the gamma returns and re-engages to revenge himself or show that he really won the encounter everyone else has forgotten about.

Trump is an alpha, but I have been told multiple times that he will not hesitate to humiliate a past opponent when he gets the chance. Off the top of my head I can think of the meeting with Romney just after the election where Trump dangled some high government position in front of Romney, while the world got to see Romney crawling to Trump as a supplicant. There have been other jabs at Obama, etc.

What is the principle difference from when Trump does this to a gamma's "never forget, never forgive" attitude? Is it the motivation behind it? That Trump isn't just belittling these people for his own ego's sake, but to make the point that Romney et al. are unprincipled power whores, etc.? Or is it that these people refused to either subordinate themselves to the new reality, or exit the stage with some grace, and instead tried to be part of the "resistance"?

Blogger rycamor June 21, 2018 12:43 PM  

wreckage wrote:"Forget immigration and women's liberation, if they really wanted to take the chains off the economy and return to the glory days of strong economic growth, the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses."

Amen and hallelujah; from your lips to God's ears.

GEOTUS is apprently of a similar mind, may he live forever.


WORD. People who have never run a small business have no idea. If you try to be fully conscientious and cross all your bureaucratic Ts and dot all the Is, you will be most likely unable to run a business at all. The constant struggle is to do just enough to get by. Do too little, and you will get noticed. Do too much, and you will often get noticed in ways that will make your life hell.

Blogger VD June 21, 2018 12:44 PM  

Trump is an alpha, but I have been told multiple times that he will not hesitate to humiliate a past opponent when he gets the chance. Off the top of my head I can think of the meeting with Romney just after the election where Trump dangled some high government position in front of Romney, while the world got to see Romney crawling to Trump as a supplicant. There have been other jabs at Obama, etc.

Romney and Obama are not "past opponents". That's the point you're missing there. They are both leaders of opposition groups actively working against him.

Blogger Cetera June 21, 2018 12:44 PM  

Are gammas "fixable?" Can they reform themselves into something that isn't a gamma? Or is it just a personality that is hard-wired and largely constant?

Blogger VD June 21, 2018 12:58 PM  

Are gammas "fixable?" Can they reform themselves into something that isn't a gamma?

Yes. Yes. But it takes relentless honesty, which tends to be a challenge for the Gamma.

Blogger Wrangler June 21, 2018 1:00 PM  

This observation is soooo dead on. I'm part of a big run group of probably 100 men/women that get together for runs and social events. Most all of the dudes are cool and friends, but there are 5 or 6 that prefer drama amongst the females than hanging with the dudes. They are all single 40s/50s guys or a couple PWs in sexless marriages. Total gammas.

Blogger R Webfoot June 21, 2018 1:04 PM  

@36
"The Gamma though has no moral compass, certainly none comprehensive and rigidly adhered to, to differentiate between a true slight, and his own irritability.

At least some Gammas then, are the product of a dysfunctional culture, and I suspect far more are the product of a dysfunctional family."

In this particular case, I believe he was aggressively propagandized with the white male guilt narrative, and that during the onset of Black Lives Matter, until it pushed him into some amount of suicidal ideation.

Blogger S1AL June 21, 2018 1:46 PM  

Paperwork is cancer. Even retail workers hate it more than any other aspect of their jobs.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel June 21, 2018 2:55 PM  

Vox, you keep wanting to get off of this topic but they keep pulling you back in. You need to just bite the bullet & write a book focusing on gammas.

Blogger Paul M June 21, 2018 3:07 PM  

> the politicians should focus like lasers on developing systems that eliminate reports, records, and regulatory compliance on the part of all small businesses.

Which, inevitably, produces yet more paperwork: every small business will have to justify why it qualifies as being "small" to get exemption from all the other paperwork.

Blogger Doug Cranmer June 21, 2018 4:07 PM  

"Yes. Yes. But it takes relentless honesty, which tends to be a challenge for the Gamma."

I'm older but have overcome some past traits that still make me cringe to remember.

The number one thing I had to learn was KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT.

It would have saved so much trouble for myself and others in my younger years.

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