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Sunday, June 03, 2018

Mailvox: the irrelevance of psychology

A reader emails to write of his reflections on the way in which the psychological approach is entirely unsuited to handle genuine evil.

On a serious note, the JBP discussion brought up something I wrote out and saved.  You saved me the same few hours of reading, to reach similar conclusions.  I’m disturbed by the dreams and unmoored personality, and disturbed similarly by the “Clean your room.  Take your meds.  Be Nice”  set of commands.

Normally, suicide prevention is one of those mandatory training things that you nod through and then forget immediately.  We had the unexpected benefit of having parents come in to “share their story” about how their son suicided at age 21, after years of drug issues.  The emotional testimonial is one that I loathe, so I was busy tuning them out.  It was crisis acting in action, complete with the special choreographed music for the slide show.  But in the middle of mom’s opening speech about her dead son, she mentioned reading Gene Wolfe stories and going to conventions hosted by the local Science Fiction Society.  Oh, now you got my focus.

The father was distant and not really involved with his family, and mom was associated with the SF scene in some way.  I had read the Castalia House blog posts and The Last Closet, so at this point I tuned out the mom and soundtrack and paid attention to the boy’s pictures.  What really got my attention were the activities the pictures came from: Scouts, swim team, boys’ choir, lead role in the school musical.... 

Oh, ye cats indeed.

The pictures were random and not in time sequence. Starting at about age 9-10 the boy’s stance, facial expressions, and attitude began changing in the pictures.  It became overacting and getting outrageous in pictures shown to the public.  The behavior changes did not look normal for the age. It was about age 15-16 where his drug use went into heavy opiate addiction, according to parents, and the pictures shown were of a ravaged young man with some serious ghosts in his eyes.

Short of adding peer counselor or gymnastics to the above list, it’s hard to consider a worse combination of potential exposure to pedophiles or homosexual groomers.  After ten minutes, I wondered if drugs were used as part of the grooming, or if he turned to hard opiates to try forgetting.  Moira Greyland’s words came back to haunt me for the next couple days.Were the parents blind to this possibility?

I thought I had this out of my system, but then came the issues concerning Jordan Peterson.  I listened to about one and a half of his videos, and tuned out.  Your analysis, including the diabolical influence, was on target.  My thoughts came out of background.  Peterson advocated therapeutic measures to mitigate the pain, and nothing to stop it, defend the youth, and counterattack.  Then there were his writing about the cannibalistic and incestuous dreams.  This does NOTHING to help young men.  &*^% that, there are souls at risk.

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68 Comments:

Blogger Robert What? June 03, 2018 6:54 PM  

Are parents even permitted to tell their young sons to refuse the advances of homosexuals? Wouldn't that be, like, homophobic? Don't homosexual rights outweigh children's health and well being? I thought they did

Blogger Mark Stoval June 03, 2018 7:10 PM  

"What really got my attention were the activities the pictures came from: Scouts, swim team, boys’ choir, lead role in the school musical...."

Oh my God. This made me realize in a blinding flash that our kids in this country are at great risk. I mean I knew there was risk, but that risk is much greater than I have admitted to myself. Damn.

In the early 60s in the deep south, I doubt I could have found a pedo if I had been looking for one. Now they seem to be everywhere.

What the hell happened????

Blogger CynicalMan June 03, 2018 7:19 PM  

"What the hell happened????"

Deviant behaviors were normalized.

Blogger Gritón del Desierto June 03, 2018 7:24 PM  

Jordan Peterson's ideology is just a "placebo",a feel-good drug and nothing else.Ignorant people think it's the cure.Peterson and his fans reminds me a lot to Joel Osteen,Benny Hinn and all their followers.They put their " annoited one" on a pedestal and attack any criticism of them as of it were something the devil said.

Blogger Kelly June 03, 2018 7:31 PM  

"I’m disturbed by the dreams and unmoored personality" ...I am curious if it is the content of the dreams that was found to be disturbing or if it is Jordan Peterson's excessive focus on them?

Blogger Avalanche June 03, 2018 7:33 PM  

Did you never notice (no, of course you didn't -- you're normal!!) that "models" began to look more and more like children? Pouty children. Prepubescent children. Children in sexual poses with sexual clothing?

(I remember pointing out to a girl that for a while it was hiphuggers -- how LOW toward your pubes can your pants go to draw attention just where? Then came the thong -- 'bare flesh' in the rear view. Then pants went to normal(-ish) height, and the bare midriff was all the rage. Then shorts so tight/short that your butt cheeks are visible. Right now, it's these shirts with the shoulders cut out. Teaching younger and younger girls that their bodies are MEANT for sexual display.

Also, where women model USED to be grown women, models have been getting younger and younger (and also more and more androgynous -- in a girlish way). This has led to setting men's 'pickers' to younger and younger girls (or to boys!). There is a 'critical window' where a growing boy's 'sexual picker' settles ("step up boy, spin the wheel, and what you see around you is what you will be sexually attracted for the rest of your life!" cue the carnival music!)

It's why men are WAY more likely to be fetishists: they get 'set' at a specific time by the arousal of sexual (or even just confusing) feelings: mom stomping a mouse or bug, the smell of latex, a furry toy or pet, a Las Vegas showgirl... or sexual feelings being aroused by sexual 'action' which may be voluntary or forced.

This is also why gays go after prepubescent boys: if they can 'catch' the boys and forcibly set their picker to males, the boys will grow up to be 'set' on men. (This is ALSO why it's possible that (anti-gay) "conversion" may be sometimes successful. The human mind is more malleable that we realize; and it may be, that for some males, the 'picker' can be -- if not unmoored, at least added to!

Blogger tz June 03, 2018 7:43 PM  

I would be less suspicious if JBP asked a young boy "Do you like Gladiator movies?" (Peter Graves, from Airplane!).

So, you've been raped. Stand up straight and clean your room. But don't tell.

Blogger tz June 03, 2018 7:45 PM  

Jordan Peterson is frozen jello. Moral Relativism that has a few things solid and unmoving enough to pretend to be morality. Superficial pragmatic things to do but beneath everything is rot.

Blogger Phillip George June 03, 2018 7:49 PM  

Ron Coleman has done more for suicide prevention than anyone I know of.
As a patient he 'beat' the psychiatric professional at their game by treating the voices as real entities.
Just say bugger of, just say no, return fire to commanding/ accusing/ attacking spirits/ voices/ disembodied non human entities you have the misfortune to be hearing.....

Voila. Evil is real. Spirits are real. Demons are real..

A fool restricts reality to the materialistic world view. Inductive evidence points beyond materialism. Quo Vadis.

Blogger Phillip George June 03, 2018 7:52 PM  

https://www.workingtorecovery.co.uk/products/our-dvds-and-cds/talking-with-voices-an-introduction-to-voice-dialo.aspx

drugs do not "deliver" you from evil. There is no chemical escape.

Blogger Kat June 03, 2018 7:55 PM  

OT, but a group of US vets appear to have uncovered a child sex trafficking site in Arizona. They need help since the police aren't responding to their calls to help secure and search the area and have actually blocked off access to the site and arrested a couple of the group.

https://www.facebook.com/VOP-Alpha-Co-Team-Pulaski-1415347948612114/?hc_ref=ARTcXkY_Hn4f-mlhDX-qJ_oX9xYjuLS_2Jp6KNKoalDAetGAFP07zcHgcRj0glh97Ig

Blogger tz June 03, 2018 7:57 PM  

Kurt Koch (Occult ABC) notes there is often a distinct difference between someone who needs a psychologist and one who needs an exorcist. Some need both.

Many SJWs and perhaps Peterson is posessessed, and don't doubt me in this. Don't expect their heads to spin while they emit radiator fluid that rises to the ceiling while saying "your mother sucks cocks in hell" It won't be that be dramatic. But it will be far more serious.

We are up against an eternal enemy, the original evil.

The thing is he has little if any power in this world. That is the joke of the SJWs. They have no power over you in any meaningful way. Oh, they can have their SJW cronies at your employer fire you. And often make things inconvenient. But real witchcraft - curses, diseases, etc. are rare and hrd.

St. Thresea of Avila once woke at night to see this horrible monster above her bed which was the devil. She exclaimed "oh, it's only you", turned over and went back to sleep.

In revelation, what is translated "the Dragon" which is greek for some horrible big monster is defeated by a little lamb.

Even when not posessessed, we are like Theoden listening to Wormtounge and under Saruman's spell.

But Christendom, although a mere embassy in the city of Man, is still a magnificent and powerful, shining embassy.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey June 03, 2018 7:58 PM  

I'm a suicide attempt survivor. Twice over. That was a long, long time ago. I'm not proud of that at all.

I had lots of counseling and attention by psychological professionals.

The very day I walked out of that situation and reclaimed my life is the same day I concluded that they were all full of shit.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) June 03, 2018 8:06 PM  

my mother LURVED Liberace and The Waltons. she watched them on tv every chance she got. and she pretends to be Christian.

i couldn't stand them, although i had no idea what was wrong with them when i was < 10.

Blogger OGRE June 03, 2018 8:25 PM  

@6 Avalanche

that's very insightful

Blogger Tino June 03, 2018 8:29 PM  

Well, I am on the front-line of this since my wife and I run an ambulatory mental health clinic. I get 5 teens per month in distress. Two words: brain damage. Part of our practice involves taking baseline EEGs. They are fundamentally abnormal in the vast majority of youth we see with anxiety and depression. In the absence of a very large double-blind to confirm, I am stuck with the suspicion that these kids have been brain-damaged in a multiple, overlapping way. If I had to guess it's a combo of heavy metals, poor diet, no excersize, extraordinarily poor sleep, too much device and screen time and parental neglect. That's just the day-to-day patho-physiology level. Given the idiot-level ideas most express, distortions of perception and body image, I have been coming around more and more to the idea that this has been done deliberately. And that drives the inevitable conclusion -- if it is done deliberately then someone chose evil. The only question then is evil or Evil, and your mileage varies with your Faith.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 03, 2018 8:38 PM  

@16 Tino

Don't forget about "treating" little boys' "ADD" with ritalin, which is a form of methamphetamines. You think a decade or so of that don't have significant effects on a young man's brain function? I'm glad I'm not a decade or so younger or I'd almost certainly have gotten them myself.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) June 03, 2018 8:39 PM  

and in one final instance of the irrelevance of Danica Patrick, Aric Almirola ( 6 ) is on the verge of matching Danica's total number of top ten finishes ( 7 ).

in her entire career.

in a half season ( three more races to go until the mid-season Daytona race ).

using her old car ( and car number ) and crew.

Aric is no better than a middling fair driver. he does a good job of not screwing other drivers over. and that's not nothing, it's certainly not something you could have said about Danica. but he's not who you put in a car when you want wins and point championships.

Blogger Slagenthor June 03, 2018 8:46 PM  

Surprisingly good article from Yahoo on a psychiatrist talking about demonic possession in the here and now.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-demonic-possession-real-victims-081531844.html

Blogger Al K. Annossow June 03, 2018 8:47 PM  

But ... but ... without psychologists, who can we turn to to decode the Maps of Meaning hidden for centuries within the bible? How convenient that now we not only have the interpreter, Peterson, but he also redefines truth in a way that he can interpret.

I'm starting to outline a new book: '12 Rules to Reduce Chaos in Society.' So far I have Rule 1: Clean out the heretics and psychologists. I'm still working on the others.

@Avalanche
I agree about the 'picker.' And even thinking about sex is pleasurable and instinctual, so anything that starts a groove in our thoughts leading to inappropriate sex partners is dangerous. Sexualizing children digs that misdirected groove for both the adult and the child. Undoing the direction of that groove is possible, but usually unsuccessful.

Blogger Tino June 03, 2018 8:48 PM  

@17

Yes, there is also an over-medication component. The clinic uses drugs sparingly. We use non-invasive and non-pharmacologic methods to great effect. Sleep restoration is foundational. Good outcomes, about 8 in 10.

Blogger James June 03, 2018 8:48 PM  

Psychology is not entirely irrelevant. It is irrelevant for understanding the human mind, which is what it purports to study. The branch of Psychology that is not irrelevant is Behaviorism, but it is relevant only in that it works. It measures responses in quantifiable units and, as such, is very useful to totalitarian entities in controlling human behavior. And so much of Psychology is like so much of the Medical Profession. Insurance companies and incorporated entities like government will pay for its services. This is nowhere more evident than in drug addiction counseling. The truth is that the only the development of will power or a personal spiritual experience are successful in treating addiction. The counselor is limited in applying spiritual wisdom to the problem because of, well, we might as well say “church and state”. Twelve step programs are a major source of insurance company payouts. And there is an inherent religious component in twelve step programs, due to the historical success of Alcoholics Anonymous. But, how successful has it been? Admittedly, many people have benefited from it, we just have no idea what percentage that has been. Why is that? Because it is Anonymous and you can’t keep data on the successes and failures. And the failures are legion. Even people that consider their stories successes fall off the wagon multiple times. Is that a success? No, but alcohol and drug addiction are considered a crisis so we have to throw money at those that can’t quit on their own. And many people get into drug counseling because they are required by court ordered diversionary programs or conditions of parole. Most of those people just want to get it over with and will parrot phrases to make it look like they’re “trying”. Herein lies the delusion that drug counseling works. Those that choose painful sobriety over pleasurable addiction are taught to call their condition a “disease” that they have no control over. This is just leftist propaganda that no one is responsible for their own problems, merely victims of the universe. Whereas 60 years ago this problem would have been called sin or a character flaw, now you can get help financed by the taxpayer if you just pretend to believe you have a disease.

The truth is, an alcoholic or a drug addict has a choice between life and death. If you want to live, you will stop. If you don’t, you will die. And since everybody dies eventually, if you don’t care if you live or die, you will relapse. It is a spiritual crisis and Psychology doesn’t admit the existence of a Spirit. As such, it is useless for anything except the redistribution of wealth, something that our (((masters))) are very concerned with.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) June 03, 2018 8:48 PM  

16. Tino June 03, 2018 8:29 PM
I have been coming around more and more to the idea that this has been done deliberately. And that drives the inevitable conclusion -- if it is done deliberately then someone chose evil. The only question then is evil or Evil



the hold of the Lusitania is ( still to this day ) chock full of munitions.

which means the Germans were perfectly right to sink it.

which means that the US and Great Britain ( the governments of whom would both certainly have had to known that major shipments of war materials were being conducted under the colors of a nominally Neutral flag ) KNEW that using that sinking was a vast propaganda Lie.

Woodrow Wilson murdered over a hundred thousand Americans. and crippled and injured another 300,000 with mustard gas and the other horrors of the trenches.

and he willfully and with full knowledge CHOSE to do it.

Blogger Nobody of Consequence June 03, 2018 8:53 PM  

Psychologists - Bah! Humbug! Not a single one is "normal". Everyone I've met or studied about was psycho.

Psychology is not a science and is closer to voodoo than anything else.

The use of "drugs" to "poison" metabolic processes is DANGEROUS. Not a single treatment corrects anything but merely suppresses what is happening biochemically in the individual. "Poison" is the term applied by chemists to anything that disrupts a chemical reaction and "poison" is what every psychotropic drug does. These charlatans do nothing to correct our issues. They merely cover up the issues by screwing up metabolic pathways.

Got troubles. Get God and His 10 rules for life, 11 if you add in Christ's command to love they neighbor.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) June 03, 2018 8:53 PM  

22. James June 03, 2018 8:48 PM
The branch of Psychology that is not irrelevant is Behaviorism



also the Descriptives.

it's the Freudians and other purportedly "Therapeutic" psychologists who are a major problem.

why would a parasite ( Freud, Mesmer, et al ) teach you how to recognize and avoid parasitic behavior? his life depends upon making YOU dependent upon the very tactics he's employing against you. ie - he's grooming you.

this applies to Banking and Economics as much as it does Psychology.

Blogger Lovekraft June 03, 2018 9:04 PM  

Good sermon talking about this subject from a down-to-earth Pastor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpHmOaJzCPI

Blogger Lucas Evans June 03, 2018 9:13 PM  

Liberalism is mostly just a mask terrible people use to hide their wicked intentions. Liberal coaches, liberal priests, liberal scout leaders, etc.

Blogger James Pyrich June 03, 2018 9:16 PM  

When unquestionably evil acts are given the cover of cultural ignorance by the highest authorities in the land, you've got gangrene in your cultural bones.

Blogger Unknown June 03, 2018 9:34 PM  

Psychology is total BULLSHIT. It is all guesses and theories and has zero scientific method evidence to prove any of it.

Anyone who actually believes in things that are actually scientific would realize that psychology is such a joke and nothing but a scam. They give people mind altering drugs like candy that have been NEVER PROVEN to be any more effective than placebos whenever they have been used in actual scientific trials.

Modern psychology have gone so far off the edge that you can find something for everyone to be labeled with in their book of guesses.

Blogger weka June 03, 2018 10:10 PM  

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Blogger Joseph Maroney June 03, 2018 10:19 PM  

"drugs do not "deliver" you from evil. There is no chemical escape."

Indeed, they make things far worse. They turn off our brain's natural, God-given "fire wall" to block out spiritual entities.

Blogger Nostromo June 03, 2018 10:25 PM  

I was into Scouts, Science fiction, and was a choirboy. I guess I was too ugly because i was never molested, not once. Well, except for the one time as a child on a local tv show, the host said i had "kissy lips". Never lived that down. That being said, I have encountered evil. Not just spiritually, but physically, and psychically. Evil exists, separate from human consciousness, and a faith in God is a needed to recognize and combat it. The great failure of the Progressive Western world is to deny the existence of the spiritual.

Blogger bw June 03, 2018 10:35 PM  

"just the few layers of the onion .. that's it"
YMMV

Blogger Dire Badger June 03, 2018 10:36 PM  

Mark Stoval wrote:"What really got my attention were the activities the pictures came from: Scouts, swim team, boys’ choir, lead role in the school musical...."

Oh my God. This made me realize in a blinding flash that our kids in this country are at great risk. I mean I knew there was risk, but that risk is much greater than I have admitted to myself. Damn.

In the early 60s in the deep south, I doubt I could have found a pedo if I had been looking for one. Now they seem to be everywhere.

What the hell happened????



Once they decided that killing babies was Okay, the race was on to legalize raping them.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 03, 2018 10:50 PM  

"Modern psychology have gone so far off the edge that you can find something for everyone to be labeled with in their book of guesses."

Except for homosexuals, people who surgically mutilate themselves, people who are sexually attracted to children, animals, inanimate objects, etc. Those people are now considered perfectly sane by the profession of psychology.

Blogger Doug Cranmer June 03, 2018 11:02 PM  

And Q is back.

Also the child trafficking site found in Arizona.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CityofTwoRivers/status/1003437773410295808

There is evil in this world.

Blogger Brett baker June 03, 2018 11:08 PM  

People finally started talking about being molested, AND other people started believing them.
Michael Savage talked about his best friend being molested by the family dentist when he was in grade school. His parents thought he was making it up. The friend spent time in mental institutions, at first because the parents thought he was crazy, making up sick stories about the dentist.

Blogger One Deplorable DT June 03, 2018 11:34 PM  

@37 - I understand how that could happen in the past. Imagine an average middle class parent at any time up until the 80s (in some parts of America). No sexual inclination towards children. A normal moral compass that screams against the very thought of harming a child. And no real exposure to the fact that monsters who do harm children roam the Earth.

I can understand how that parent's first thought would be "no...no one would do that. My poor child must be crazy." Especially if said monster is a professional with a squeaky clean demeanor. A "family dentist."

There's no excuse for such naïveté today. But then we live in darker times.

Blogger Chesapean June 03, 2018 11:51 PM  

RE: "I’m disturbed by the dreams and unmoored personality, and disturbed similarly by the 'Clean your room. Take your meds. Be Nice' set of commands."

Jordan Peterson aside, how much mental illness is "normal" in society? That is, how and in what ways is it useful for society to accommodate its own mentally ill people?

I can see where "clean your room; take your meds; be nice" type rules might be effective in mitigating those risks to social productivity which "normal" rates of mental illness might require. That is, culture as an antidote to individual pathology may operate quite well within certain limits.

That's huge, if true.

Blogger Sim1776 June 04, 2018 12:21 AM  

@22 James

What twelve step program takes insurance money? The twelve traditions were developed to prevent things like that. Rehabs are not twelve step programs. They are drug treatment facilities.

You make many good points but miss what the twelve steps are about. The addict/alcoholic has to admit they are powerless over their "disorder" without a spiritual connection to God and then build that relationship and maintain it. Drugs only mask the pain or hide one's feelings. When the high wears off, the problems are still there.

Blogger pyrrhus June 04, 2018 12:25 AM  

"Psychologists - Bah! Humbug! Not a single one is "normal". Everyone I've met or studied about was psycho.

Psychology is not a science and is closer to voodoo than anything else."

One of the first things I remember my father, a nuclear physicist, telling me was that all psychiatrists, and probably their family members, were crazy. Then was severely bitten, at age 4, by a playmate who was the daughter of two psychiatrists....

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 04, 2018 12:25 AM  

"swim team, boys’ choir"

Oh come on, I resemble those remarks! Set phasers to pun! ...Oops.

"It was about age 15-16 where his drug use went into heavy opiate addiction"

What the hell? And they didn't pull him out of public school and ground him to the house for year(s)?

Wow, yeah, overall he was in bad company, and yes, like "groomers", JBP's main focus is on suppressing the "immune" system of something.

Blogger Ian Stein June 04, 2018 12:39 AM  

Even the thought of psychology makes my head hurt. Just give me the prescription without the rhetoric.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 04, 2018 12:48 AM  

""What the hell happened????"

"Deviant behaviors were normalized."


Yes, instead of ending up sleeping with the fishes or worms, deviants crawled into our mental beds, then our physical ones."

"(and also more and more androgynous -- in a girlish way)"

Funny, last I checked it was more of a boyish way...

"This is ALSO why it's possible that (anti-gay) "conversion" may be sometimes successful."

Oh, it's simple. If electroshock therapy doesn't work, it's either genetic or otherwise non-correctable, in which case either extermination or permanent sequestration are entirely necessary.

"I'm glad I'm not a decade or so younger or I'd almost certainly have gotten them myself."

I'd 100% have been diagnosed with ADHD if I wasn't homeschooled. Only the HD part could have even been potentially correct, seeing as I could learn better than the other kids even while creating new origami patterns, drawing mazes, sketching random objects, and reading books.

"That is, how and in what ways is it useful for society to accommodate its own mentally ill people?"

Eccentric, non malevolent. And that's only because of "innocent until proven guilty". I say this with the full knowledge that I fall into that category for some people.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 04, 2018 12:51 AM  

Anything verging past "eccentric, non-malevolent" needs to be hammered to dust for a society to survive.

"Eccentric, non-malevolent" itself needs to be subjected to societal pressure to keep it from worsening.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 04, 2018 1:01 AM  

Last I checked, programs like AA and Teen Challenge were doing good work, and yes, they worked because they were scripturally founded. Always thought it was indicative that the things with the highest rate of success vs addictions (which are perfect analogues for sin, if you think about it) were completely ignored (at best) by the rest of the psychological community.

At worst they took the (((Marx))) route and tried to invent a program with the Christian tones stripped out, thinking it would work better. Of course it never does.

Blogger cyrus83 June 04, 2018 1:07 AM  

I figured psychology was bunk pretty early on when I read an article in Psych 101 that was going on about the importance of an R value of .3 - which I knew from statistics to be a weak value with which to make any kind of predictive inference.

While evil has been on the rise in recent times, don't forget the culture has done two things to make the job all the easier for pedos - it has normalized a lot of sexual deviancy that used to get people locked up or institutionalized, and it has also given them a lot more opportunities where the parents aren't around because they're either both working (daycare, schools, coaches) or the parents have split up and the child's home life is chaotic and offers opportunity.

Blogger Bobiojimbo June 04, 2018 1:13 AM  

@36 Makes my blood boil.... Doesn't help that Tucson is one of the blue cities in the state.

Blogger Sim1776 June 04, 2018 1:18 AM  

You are correct but the idea was to make the program work for any faith or culture.

Blogger tublecane June 04, 2018 1:20 AM  

@23- Germany gave advanced notice about their intentions, so I might blame passengers for choosing to go anyway.

Buuut, they might have expected armed escort. There's much historical debate over whether ships were pulled leaving the Lusitania vulnerable. A decision in which putative Hero of the Century Churchill might have been involved. As he was in the starvation blockade that compelled Germany toward unrestricted submarine warfare.

Blogger tublecane June 04, 2018 2:44 AM  

@6- I haven't noticed models looking prepubescent, but like children, yes. That's because the fashion industry is run by homos. In the past, either they didn't have as much power or they held themselves back. Now they go wild.

Homos are attracted to a variety of types (more than many others, probably), but for a good portion of them the adolescent look is ideal. Younger than 16 or so is a no-no in our society at least, so they go for as young as they can get.

Neither normal, mature male nor female bodies interest them, and mature females less than mature males. Which is why they go for young, ridiculously thin, tall, and lanky girls, who are likely to resemble adolescent boys longer than ones with T&A.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) June 04, 2018 2:56 AM  

50. tublecane June 04, 2018 1:20 AM
Buuut, they might have expected armed escort.


that doesn't matter.

the ship was flagged as non-military and, as such, was prohibited from carrying war materials. it was a flagrant violation of "International Law" for it to be doing so.

https://infogalactic.com/info/RMS_Lusitania#Aftermath
"Successive British governments have always maintained that there was no munitions on board the Lusitania (and that the Germans were therefore in the wrong to claim to the contrary as an excuse for sinking the ship) ... The facts are that there is a large amount of ammunition in the wreck, some of which is highly dangerous. The Treasury have decided that they must inform the salvage company of this fact in the interests of the safety of all concerned."



50. tublecane June 04, 2018 1:20 AM
A decision in which putative Hero of the Century Churchill might have been involved.


of course he was.

everyone in the upper echelons of the UK government with a "need to know", had to have known.

the difference is this;
Churchill was acting for the benefit of his Nation, the United Kingdom. as he should be expected to attempt to do.

Wilson was committing treason against his people. and Churchill's attempts to propagandize the US citizenry could never have succeeded without Wilson's avid cooperation and support.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira June 04, 2018 7:04 AM  

That slide show was emanating the reek of sulphur. Was this reader the only one who was nauseated?

Blogger CM June 04, 2018 7:19 AM  

Homos are attracted to a variety of types (more than many others, probably), but for a good portion of them the adolescent look is ideal. Younger than 16 or so is a no-no in our society at least, so they go for as young as they can get.

Neither normal, mature male nor female bodies interest them, and mature females less than mature males. Which is why they go for young, ridiculously thin, tall, and lanky girls, who are likely to resemble adolescent boys longer than ones with T&A.


How much of this deviancy is fed by the outright rejection of "be fruitful & multiply" (as a proxy for rejecting God)? We know abortion is a symptom of this in women, but is the sexual desire for infertile couplings also one?

It elevates selfish pleasure over productive, sacrificial, mutual pleasure (which is the trademark of a healthy marital sex-life).

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2018 8:24 AM  

Al K. Annossow wrote:I'm starting to outline a new book: '12 Rules to Reduce Chaos in Society.' So far I have Rule 1: Clean out the heretics and psychologists. I'm still working on the others.

If we do that, we may not need the other eleven.

Bobiojimbo wrote:@36 Makes my blood boil.... Doesn't help that Tucson is one of the blue cities in the state.

I'm sure it helps the pedos a great deal.

Blogger veryfunnyminion June 04, 2018 8:46 AM  

My father, who went to uni pre-Woodstock (barely, but still, BSc Chem), used to say that those he knew who studied psychology were the ones with the biggest problems. And not the brightest. He gave multiple examples.

How many of those psychologists whose work was used to "normalize" behaviour such as homosexuality, didn't turn out to be gay or whatever it was they explained away? Three guesses what anyone pushing fat acceptance looks like.

Psychology for the past several decades (at least) has been used by many people with abnormalities to make the abnormal acceptable in order to make themselves acceptable as they are, because for them that is actually easier than owning up to their issues and trying to deal with them. See alcoholics in denial for how powerful that can be.

I have met a few competent and useful professional psychologists. And about as many lawyers for whom the same is true. The profession as a whole is actively harmful, much like the lawyers.

I have a feeling that Shakespeare writing today would say First, kill all the lawyers and psychologists.

Blogger James June 04, 2018 9:52 AM  

Sim1776 wrote:@22 James

What twelve step program takes insurance money? The twelve traditions were developed to prevent things like that. Rehabs are not twelve step programs. They are drug treatment facilities.


My bad for not editing my post. No, 12-step programs don't get insurance payouts. They get municipal, county, even State funding. And I should have differentiated between old-school 12-step programs and the 12-step programs that have tried to strip-out the Christian component. I have sat in on a few group therapy sessions, ones that get taxpayer funds and charitable donations. The leaders are all ex- drug of choice users and all seem to have experienced a spiritual awakening that was central in how they structured their resulting sobriety. But, since they get paid to do the job, they are restricted in how much "religion" they can bring in. Once the therapy is over, they try to move their clients into private, Christian 12-step programs. Those programs are dependent on donations from their members and the religious charity they represent. They are essentially support networks that drink a lot of coffee and smoke a lot of cigarettes.

Blogger Peter Gent June 04, 2018 10:50 AM  

CynicalMan wrote:"What the hell happened????"

Deviant behaviors were normalized.


And God was removed from the public square...

Blogger Peter Gent June 04, 2018 11:09 AM  

tz wrote:Jordan Peterson is frozen jello. Moral Relativism that has a few things solid and unmoving enough to pretend to be morality. Superficial pragmatic things to do but beneath everything is rot.
To me he looks more like regular Jello with hard chunks in it. Nuggets of good sounding bits of basic advice, the hard chunks, suspended, but in an unorganized way, in soft mushy posturing that doesn't hold together under any stress or examination.

Blogger Kep Hartman June 04, 2018 11:13 AM  

Yeah, much of 21st century psychology is crap---justifications for moral relativism, ethnic equalism, gender rationalism, evil excusism.

But not all psychology is worthless and this throwing the baby out with the bathwater is pathetic mid-wittery.

All you who have jumped in with both feet for "psychology is worthless" demonstrate two well-documented phenomena cognitive bias for
(1) argument by authority, and
(2) bandwagon effect.

Really this behavior proves how worthwhile psychology is to understanding how people behave. Since most people are like sheep, they are gullible to follow whatever bullsh*t some authority figure leads them to.

Without psychology as a discipline, you are left with the mysterious, elusive "black box" to describe differences in motivation and action.

I know I'll get burned from all the half-wit thinkers who can't look at the truth. But the rest of you, stop this pathetic lack of critical thinking and binary reductionism. It does not help the cause of freedom.

Blogger Peter Gent June 04, 2018 2:55 PM  

Kep Hartman wrote:Yeah, much of 21st century psychology is crap---justifications for moral relativism, ethnic equalism, gender rationalism, evil excusism.

But not all psychology is worthless and this throwing the baby out with the bathwater is pathetic mid-wittery.

All you who have jumped in with both feet for "psychology is worthless" demonstrate two well-documented phenomena cognitive bias for

(1) argument by authority, and

(2) bandwagon effect.

Really this behavior proves how worthwhile psychology is to understanding how people behave. Since most people are like sheep, they are gullible to follow whatever bullsh*t some authority figure leads them to.

Without psychology as a discipline, you are left with the mysterious, elusive "black box" to describe differences in motivation and action.

I know I'll get burned from all the half-wit thinkers who can't look at the truth. But the rest of you, stop this pathetic lack of critical thinking and binary reductionism. It does not help the cause of freedom.


I think the biggest problem is that psychology has taken over the public sphere and dictates to everything else what is and is not acceptable and given your first statement the reaction is to throw the baby out with the bathwater because the baby won't let go of the basin. Sometimes you have to clear the field or you can't get rid of the pervasive crabgrass.

Without psychology all the deviations now current in our society could not have gained their foothold or now overweening demands for acceptance. It is also the tool being used to continually move more and more deviancy into the mainstream.

Blogger Kep Hartman June 04, 2018 3:31 PM  

Without psychology all the deviations now current in our society could not have gained their foothold or now overweening demands for acceptance. It is also the tool being used to continually move more and more deviancy into the mainstream.

Mr. Gent,
Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

Was there not corruption and depravity in ancient Rome? Athens? Jerusalem? London? (The fallen human, and the depths to which his/her sin manifests, is not new.)

Truly, the fruits of *some* parts of psychology are twisted, just as some expressions of Christianity are twisted. Looking across the globe, there is no end to the twisted ways of man and his beliefs.

That said, I'm not interested in a defense of psychology per se, just the over-simplification of the causal factors and the mis-attribution of cause to a contemporary boogeyman. This crowd is smarter than that.

I posit that the flaws of our current cultural rot is not the fault of psychology, but the lack of practice of faith, gratitude, humility...caused by our success in conquering survival.

Psychology, like the internet, is just a tool. Can be used for good or evil.

Blogger VD June 04, 2018 5:03 PM  

Without psychology as a discipline, you are left with the mysterious, elusive "black box" to describe differences in motivation and action.

That's an improvement on the false understanding offered by psychology.

Blogger SirHamster June 04, 2018 7:02 PM  

Kep Hartman wrote:
But not all psychology is worthless and this throwing the baby out with the bathwater is pathetic mid-wittery.

All you who have jumped in with both feet for "psychology is worthless" demonstrate two well-documented phenomena cognitive bias for

(1) argument by authority, and

(2) bandwagon effect.


Is this your nomination for what's worthwhile from psychology? Labels for observable group behavior?


Without psychology as a discipline, you are left with the mysterious, elusive "black box" to describe differences in motivation and action.

Religion was handling this before psychology did. We are more than meat machines. Souls in the image of God chained by sin.

Does psychology even acknowledge the existence of malicious evil?

Blogger Ed Carter June 04, 2018 7:53 PM  

They are using suicide, or the threat of it, as a tool. In my region suicide prevention programs for men and boys are entirely focussed on the dictate that men must become more like women and discuss their feelings, along with elevating LGBBQs above everyone else. This, of course, will result in more suicides and therefore justify further enforcement of these programs and dictates, along with allowing external forces, the psychopaths and the pedophiles, to cause more harm.

As an ex-suicidal lefty, cured literally by an alt-right education, it is clear that pretty much all a man needs is a purposeful function in their community. With the kill all white men dominant vibe and the destruction of purposeful work it's no wonder men who subscribe to the leftist culture, or are predated by it or the predators that are spawned by leftism are only seeing despair and one option out.

For those who aren't in leftist circles - the suicide count of leftist men is massive, at least in the circles I have witnessed. The primary reason - they believe it is all their fault and there is nothing they can do about it. Psychologists and the suicide industry can fuck off - they cause more deaths than if they weren't involved.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 04, 2018 8:26 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:And Q is back.

He says BOOM.
BOOM.
BOOM.
BOOM.
A WEEK TO REMEMBER.
DARK TO LIGHT.
BLACKOUT NECESSARY.
Q


Last week didn't seem that memorable. Maybe I missed it. Maybe he meant this coming week.

Blogger SirHamster June 04, 2018 9:11 PM  

@66

Neon revolt has an interesting writeup. Check out the shape the text makes. (scroll down)

Blogger flyingtiger June 05, 2018 10:48 AM  

Keith Raniere and Allison Mack would disagree with you. Psychology has been very profitable for them, up to now.

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