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Thursday, June 28, 2018

Mailvox: the jeers of the ignorant

A Castalia House reader writes:
A very good friend of mine is involved with a girl whose gay dad died of AIDS a few months back. This, and the subsequent revelation that the grandparents who raised this girl were involved in a sex cult, prompted me to recommend The Last Closet to my friend. I told him there was almost certainly more to it and that this girl may have hidden trauma.

Fast forward to now and many, many more horrible truths have been uncovered about the family and the girl is in trauma therapy trying to deal with it all. I’m optimistic for her recovery, and it’s in part thanks to you and Ms. Greyland that her recovery is even possible. Thank you both.

I don’t want to share too many details as I don’t explicitly have her permission to do so, but I did want to mention one thing people might find shocking: one of the parties involved is an attorney for the state, and his arrest for child porn possession was not covered by any media as far as my friend has seen. No wonder these stories end up buried and those who see some odd or kinky stuff and suspect there’s a very deep, very dark rabbit hole beneath it are scoffed at.

Thanks for bringing this stuff to light without regard for the jeers of the ignorant.
It's all too easy for the predators to stalk their prey amidst the ignorance of the unwary. Consider the following picture of Walter Breen, the infamous father of Moira Greyland, on the prowl at Westercon 36 in 1983. Four adults, possibly including the boy's mother, are right there, and they appear to have no idea what is happening right in front of them.


The Last Closet is not a pleasant read. Not at even remotely. But it is a very important one neverthelesss, particularly for parents, because it will eradicate any illusions you might have about the innocence of those freaks and geeks in science fiction circles and classrooms and church youth groups who "just love children" and are "practically a child themselves." If you would like to support Moira Greyland, you can also buy her book in print.

And as Q has been repeatedly pointing out, one of the primary hunting grounds for the predators are the non-governmental organizations that are supposedly established to help the most vulnerable children who lack parental protection, but are actually utilized to exploit them.
Joe Davis, chairman of the International Campaign to Stop Rape and Gender Violence in Conflict, has been arrested in New York. He faces charges of enticement of a minor to engage in sexual activity, attempted sexual exploitation of a minor, possession of child pornography and receipt and distribution of child pornography.
Davis was also involved with Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, worked with Angelina Jolie, and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. At the age of nineteen....

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105 Comments:

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 28, 2018 6:11 AM  

Something just struck me. The media was quick to report on the pedophilia in the Catholic clergy, and they were right to do this. However, I don't see the same zeal and vigor in reporting on pedophilia that is being uncovered in quarters that have no relation to Christian institutions.

My wording is not the best, I haven't had my coffee yet.

Blogger Shane Sullivan June 28, 2018 6:29 AM  

@1 The implications behind your comment ring loud and clear. Can you just imagine how much worse the abuse of minors is in secular elite circles!

Blogger Rick June 28, 2018 6:29 AM  

Al, it is because they want us to think it is the religion that is the problem, rather than the lack of it.

Blogger Lazarus June 28, 2018 6:30 AM  

It's all too easy for the predators to stalk their prey amidst the ignorance of the unwary.

More hiding in plain sight. ZH headline:

Head Of Charity Against Sexual Violence Charged For Attempting To Arrange Rape Of Children

Blogger Zach June 28, 2018 6:33 AM  

@1 Exactly. If reporting on pedophiles doesn't conform to the narrative of "evil sexually repressed Christians" then they have no interest in it.

It's not real moral outrage against pedophilia, just a club they can pick up to beat their enemies with, then put down again if it involves friends or allies.

Blogger Michael Maier June 28, 2018 6:44 AM  

They also don't report that the church pedos were nearly all men, preying on boys. I wonder how far back THAT Catholic tradition goes?

I remember being shocked by G. Gordon Liddy on his talk show, telling a pedo priest joke and cackling afterwards.

Maybe there is something to his son's kiddie porn charges. That seems to have disappeared too.

Blogger Shane Sullivan June 28, 2018 6:49 AM  

@6 Isn't it automatically to be assumed that a pedophile scandal involving Catholic Priests would only implicate men?

Blogger EasyCompany June 28, 2018 6:54 AM  

@6
Like your Protestants minsters are so clean.

Blogger ZhukovG June 28, 2018 6:54 AM  

That picture. Well, I wasn't that interested in breakfast anyway.

@Al From Bay Shore: The Roman Catholic Church(RCC), despite its many faults, had been an obstacle to the Globalist Progressive project. Particularly, under Pope John Paul II, the RCC had grown quite powerful. I suspect the Church's hand in undermining the moral underpinnings of the Warsaw Pact angered the Globalists sufficiently that they pulled out all the stops to bring the RCC down.

Certainly, the RCC should not be excused its crimes. However, the pedo priests should be viewed as cannon fodder. Globalist Progressive soldiers, sacrificed in the War on the West.

Blogger VD June 28, 2018 6:57 AM  

Like your Protestants minsters are so clean.

Trying to change the subject doesn't fool anyone, Papist. Do that again and you'll be spammed. Pedophile priests, bishops, and cardinals are a well-known, very serious evil in the Roman Catholic Church.

Shut the fuck up about other groups and fix your house.

Blogger VD June 28, 2018 7:00 AM  

The interesting thing about Liddy's arrest is not that he is G. Gordon Liddy's son, but that he was A CALIFORNIA DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL.

A deputy attorney general in California who is the son of a notorious Watergate figure has been charged with possession of child pornography. Raymond Liddy pleaded not guilty after being charged in San Diego federal court and was placed on administrative leave by the attorney general's office, according to the Union-Tribune.

Blogger SouthRon June 28, 2018 7:00 AM  

Some years ago, I turned down a very well paying job offer as a computer forensics researcher at a crime lab. Why? I was warned by a LEO friend that most of the work involved sifting through systems filled with with child porn. Most of the job? And yet how few are ever heard of? Some of that's to protect the victims. Some of that is also because the public doesn't want to know or know how deeply the rot runs.

These cases are almost always hidden by the media, by law enforcement, etc. When they are made public it is either political or to support the an agenda.

On the other side of it, I was called for jury duty on a child rape case. It never hit the press or television and by the grace of God I was not empaneled. One look at the man and his attorney and I had no doubts that he did it and possibly the attorney was involved as well. Trial? There's a reason the OT gave victims families a crack at murders and such before they could flee to the sanctuary cities. No one should have to endure going through the ordeal of a trial after living through that.

Then there is the guy I know whose father was convicted on kiddie porn charges. In spite of being an ordained minister, it affects him to this day. Like Moira's story some days are better than other, but he will never, can never, be normal.

Thank you Moira and thank you gentlemen for getting this into print.

#PedophiliaKills

Blogger The Kurgan June 28, 2018 7:01 AM  

Personally I can’t wait for full civilizational collapse. It will be ugly and brutal, but at least there will not be any hint of pedophiles anywhere in my fiefdom. Which shall be vast, and have large fields of impaled perverts to mark the ever expanding borders.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 28, 2018 7:03 AM  

" Pedophile priests, bishops, and cardinals are a well-known, very serious evil in the Roman Catholic Church."

Amen brother. I try to keep my eye on my own priest and bishop as best I can. If I had information that was actionable I would take it to the police and not the church itself.

If only all church members would keep an eye on the leadership. All churches.

Blogger SouthRon June 28, 2018 7:05 AM  

I should have said...because of the perception that the public...

Blogger Peter Gent June 28, 2018 7:10 AM  

VD wrote:Like your Protestants minsters are so clean.

Trying to change the subject doesn't fool anyone, Papist. Do that again and you'll be spammed. Pedophile priests, bishops, and cardinals are a well-known, very serious evil in the Roman Catholic Church.

Shut the fuck up about other groups and fix your house.

Deflection is as old as mankind. Eve blamed the serpent and Adam blamed Eve. Both deflected instead of accepting responsibility for their actions. Maybe the first step is something analogous to cleaning your room since it means accepting responsibility for yourself and your personal space or as Jesus said, take the log out of your own eye before addressing the splinter in your neighbor's eye. Deal with your own sin before demanding others do so.

Blogger Durandel June 28, 2018 7:11 AM  

@EasyCompany - the fact that Protestant sects have issues does not negate the homosexual and Marxist takeover of the clergy in the Catholic Church that was started in the early 20th century and is now a full blown crisis today. And if you are a Catholic, what’s worse for the world: Protestant sects preaching the world rather than the Word or the Clergy of the Catholic Church trying to destroy Christ’s Church for the sake of their real father the devil and their psychological issues?

@Al - actually Al, I’m concerned that after the scandals in Massachusetts, we don’t hear much in the mainstream media about the scandles revealed since then. Even in Catholic media, many have been quiet as more sex abuse and homo-pedo rings are exposed in the Church here in America. It looks like the USCCB sold themselves to the Democrat machine. The Catholic prelates will now say climate change and nationalism are sins, unlimited immigration and sodemy are virtues in exchange for media silence on one scandle after another.

Church Militant and OnePeterFive will cover the scandles, along with some trad Catholic blogs, but that’s about it. $4 billion in payouts to abuse victims so far in the USA. And recently in Chile, the entire conference of bishops offered to step down to save the face of Pontifex Marxifix Francis because of the long history of sex abuse uncovered there tied to a Cardinal that Francis publicly backed.

Blogger Rick June 28, 2018 7:26 AM  

Anyone who thinks their particular brand of Christianity (or any kind of group, really) is immune, is setting themselves up for disappointment. It is the access to children that attracts the perps.
And if I put on my Anonymous Conservative thinking cap on, the cabal is no less attracted to these groups, recruits the pedos, and places them into the groups.

Blogger widlast washere June 28, 2018 7:32 AM  

The is a gay faction within the house of Cardinals that has been very difficult to root out. There needs to be a purge.
In my opinion, the chaos within the church leadership was why Pope John Paul II stuck around as long as he did, and why pope Bennie abdicated. Sadly, I greatly doubt that Pope Francis has the cojones (or the desire) to do what needs to be done.

Blogger widlast washere June 28, 2018 7:32 AM  

There*

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 28, 2018 7:35 AM  

@17 You made me think about three things: 1) American Catholics supporting Obamacare, 2) American Catholic Bishops criticizing the repeal of Obamacare, and 3) the Marxist Pope (the dude who changed the Lord's Prayer).

I'm not a religious type in any way, shape, or form but I do remember some of the scriptures pointing out the phenomenon of sacred institutions becoming corrupt as a result of embracing "the world".

Blogger ZhukovG June 28, 2018 7:41 AM  

A company that brings in H1B visa workers often finds itself turned into an Indian company based in the USA.

I wonder to what extent pedophiles have taken over the Globalist Progressive project?

Originally, the Globalist Progressive project was all about 'Workers of the World Unite!'(hums a few bars of The Internationale). Bringing in people, with secret crimes, are easy to control, at first.

Pedophiles have networked for centuries, at least. I wonder if the shift in focus away from 'The Proletariat' represents increasing influence of pedophiles, promoting pedophilia, in Globalist organizations.

Just a thought.

Blogger Cloudbuster June 28, 2018 7:41 AM  

@Shane Sullivan: "Isn't it automatically to be assumed that a pedophile scandal involving Catholic Priests would only implicate men?"

You are focusing on the wrong part of the sentence. It's the "preying on boys" part that is notable. These weren't Christian men, they were satanic, gay pedophiles who had infiltrated and corrupted the church.

Blogger The Kurgan June 28, 2018 7:42 AM  

I got baptised Catholic a year ago. And it is (as was then) my absolute certainty that every cleric “pope” or otherwise, involved with Vatican II is and was, actively working to promote the satanic crap that goes on now.
The Vatican and every cleric that supports Vatican II is if not a direct pedophile at least an indirect supporter of them.
What most people assume is the “Catholic” church may as well be a wirche’s coven of pedophelia and buttsechs.
Bergoglio and all his kind need cleansing by fire.

Blogger Cloudbuster June 28, 2018 7:50 AM  

@widlast: "Sadly, I greatly doubt that Pope Francis has the cojones (or the desire) to do what needs to be done."

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Francis has had his dick in a few altar boys or fellow priests.

Blogger Skyler the Weird June 28, 2018 7:50 AM  

Instead of Pope Francisco, the Roman Catholic Church needs Pope Francisco Franco.

Blogger Careless Whisper June 28, 2018 8:06 AM  

Apologies for being O/T, but Disney had a very bad day yesterday and it is slipping by under the radar

Animation Workers Set To Receive $170 Million Payout From Wage-Theft Lawsuit

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/animation-workers-set-to-receive-170-million-payout-from-wage-theft-lawsuit-161482.html

$100 million from Disney Pixar because their sitting president conspired with other big animation houses to avoid giving animators raises to keep their labor costs artificially low industry wide.
As the article notes, the guy has not even been reprimanded.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 28, 2018 8:37 AM  

Off topic, but the ilk may appreciate it. Apparently some have not gotten the message that the title God Emperor Trump is supposed to be something of a good-natured joke.

https://www.facebook.com/Ruptly/videos/2258310350851318/

Blogger Uncle John's Band June 28, 2018 9:06 AM  

It would be nice to know the actual prevalence of pedophilia in different groups. What data there is seems more interested in hiding or normalizing rather than informing, and the study pool is not exactly forthcoming. Anecdotally, it always seemed (or was presented as) beyond the pale ("inexplicable, incomprehensible acts that have us in shock today..."), but it appears that they are ubiquitous. I would love to know the rough size of the necessary purge.

Blogger Uncle John's Band June 28, 2018 9:08 AM  

@ 28. Zaklog the Great

Thank you for this. You've brightened the rest of my day.

Blogger Red Bane June 28, 2018 9:19 AM  

Has anyone ever read David Bannon's book, Race Against Evil ? It is a fascinating account of a team of international child rescuers working for Interpol, if memory serves. I remember after reading it, that subsequent accusations came to light that Bannon and his story was fashioned from whole-cloth. I was saddened, it was a gripping read, if somewhat over the top in places. However, recent events such as the one covered here have had me thinking about Bannon and his book. Was his name muddied to hide these very real goings-on? Just a thought.

In any case. This story would make for a great movie.

Blogger Red Bane June 28, 2018 9:21 AM  

I meant Bannon's book would make for a great movie, not the news story in question.

Blogger Dire Badger June 28, 2018 9:23 AM  

Shane Sullivan wrote:@6 Isn't it automatically to be assumed that a pedophile scandal involving Catholic Priests would only implicate men?

Mostly because the scandals involving sexual abuse by nuns were hushed up vastly more efficiently. One study I read a few years ago strongly suggested that sexual encounters between nuns and both boys and girls in 'catholic schools' and missions happened at least ten times as often as priests molesting their assistants/congregation members.

But, of course, who wants to ever allow there to be the slightest sniff that women could be more abusive than men? No one wants to believe it, so no one will believe it...right OR left wing.

Blogger haus frau June 28, 2018 9:30 AM  

"Davis was also involved with Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, worked with Angelina Jolie, and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. At the age of nineteen..."

I have often wondered about Angie and Brad with their oldest bio child being encouraged to go tranny. Her persona screams deep involvement in witchcraft.

Blogger Bobiojimbo June 28, 2018 9:32 AM  

@3 You're exactly right. It's all part of The Long March.

Be encouraged. They've been at this for a long time, yet we still stand.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 28, 2018 9:39 AM  

Gay dad dead of AIDS.
Grandparents in sex cult.
You see now why dystopic Sci fi sucks now? It is like how real world brutal dictatorships made Frankenstein and Dracula look like harmless fairy tales

Blogger haus frau June 28, 2018 9:40 AM  

@23 "You are focusing on the wrong part of the sentence. It's the "preying on boys" part that is notable. These weren't Christian men, they were satanic, gay pedophiles who had infiltrated and corrupted the church."

You would think that would be obvious, at least to the devoted believers. I had a conversation with my dad a while ago about allowing non-active men of homosexual inclination to become priests. My dad attends mass several times a week and yet, he was all for it, arguing the priesthood was a good influence and haven for the vulnerable who might otherwise fall into active homosexual sin. Oh, and if they vow not to act on it then they are as good as any other sinner who becomes a priest. It's like the molestation scandal never happened.....or like the New Testament isn't quite clear on requiring the church leadership to be exemplary Christians. Yeah, he's also a boomer.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 28, 2018 9:44 AM  

That picture of Breen is revolting.

I have said this once before but I will say it again:

One of the reasons that I appreciate Vox and continue to read him (and push him on others like a drug) was the stance he took against Marion Zimmer Bradley and Samuel Delany and their fans and apologists.

I was a victim of sexual abuse and it screwed me up pretty bad, for a very long time. I'm still broken in some ways, but I am much better today: I have a beautiful wife and children. An excellent home life.

But it took me a long time to get there. I think I was what Vox calls an Omega for the bulk of my childhood and into my 20's. I think that made me easy pickings for a certain relative. Not sure where I am anymore on the Socio-sexual Hierarchy (I'm probably, if I am being honest still very Omega) but life is good now, better than I thought it could be when I was 10 years old.

Keep up the fight Vox. Your voice is orders of magnitude louder than mine.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2018 9:47 AM  

widlast washere wrote:Sadly, I greatly doubt that Pope Francis has the cojones (or the desire) to do what needs to be done.

Francis is rather obviously an active homosexual, and I have little doubt he has raped his share of altar boys.

Blogger Dire Badger June 28, 2018 9:48 AM  

Still hunting for that article on Abusive nuns. Damn. why don't I save this stuff? It looks like it's been memory holed.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 28, 2018 9:48 AM  

@34 haus frau

The other day, that story came up on Instapundit and a couple of the cucks came out of the woodwork with their panties in a bunch because Angelina Jolie was named in the story.

As if, any on the right wouldn't be expected to explain any association of any kind with a monster like that. But for some reason she should get a pass?

Blogger Red Bane June 28, 2018 9:48 AM  

@37

Michael Rose wrote about the destruction of the Catholic priest-hood and the disintegration of the seminaries. They used to vigorously weed out anyone even suspected of homo-inclinations. Then the Jewish coup of Vatican 2 happened and attitudes were turned upside down.
It has reached the point were the Lavender Mafia now run most of the seminaries and weed out orthodox, normal men in order to keep the whole carnival going without censure or interuption

Rose's book is called 'Goodbye Good Men'

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2018 9:54 AM  

haus frau wrote:Oh, and if they vow not to act on it then they are as good as any other sinner who becomes a priest.
He has bought the lie that homosexuals tall about themselves, that they are normal. Tell him that virtually all homosexuals were molested as children, and that molested boys often turn out to be child molesters themselves. Perhaps ask him how many little boys he's willing to sacrifice on the altar of equality in allowing "gay" priests.
Ask him how many local churches he's willing to destroy in the name of equality. I know a local parish where the diocese sent two homosexuals to hide them from the consequence of their crimes. Both went to prison, one is now dead. The parish has not recovered almost 40 years later.

Blogger doug whiddon June 28, 2018 9:55 AM  

in other news...kiddy porn on Netflix..

https://pjmedia.com/trending/netflixs-desire-streams-disturbing-scenes-of-child-pornography/

Blogger Red Bane June 28, 2018 9:58 AM  

@44

Turns out the director of that movie is a 'rootless cosmopolitan' named Kaplan

Blogger Bubba June 28, 2018 10:17 AM  

Regarding NGOs, the Boy Scouts have been fighting a half-century-long battle against homosexual infiltration of their organization. They still are, I am sure.

Yet they make no public pronouncements about pervert-infiltration. They hoist no battle flags.

And they do this for obvious reasons: publicly announcing that there is a war between kiddly-diddlers and healthy folks would cause parents to immediately pull their kids out and the organization would collapse.

When your organization have been targeted by homosexuals and other perverts, at what point does carrying on the fight privately and not alerting the public become complicity? It is a tough call.

The longer everyone keeps silent and deals with cases individually and quietly, the more the infestation spreads.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 28, 2018 10:21 AM  

BSA has lost the fight. Get your kids out now.

Blogger Red Bane June 28, 2018 10:23 AM  

There is no war in the Scouts. They have capitulated and been infiltrated, just like many other organizations. This is the curse of the age. This is Tikkun Olam at work in the West.

Blogger haus frau June 28, 2018 10:26 AM  

"When your organization have been targeted by homosexuals and other perverts, at what point does carrying on the fight privately and not alerting the public become complicity? It is a tough call."

No it really isnt. Each and every instance of abuse should be turned over to the justice system with a formal police complaint no matter the consequence to the organisation. This has the added advantage of showing potential abusers that your instition is not going to be easy prey for perverts. Once the organisation takes precedence over the individual child the perverts arrive in mass.

Blogger RB June 28, 2018 10:33 AM  

I worked at a Catholic run medical center. I knew the top chaplain/priest and even sat through several of his services. It hit the newspapers that he was 'involved' with a school boy where he was an official earlier in his career. He was retired and sent somewhere, not prosecuted. My frightening take away, though not Catholic myself, was that I truly believed he was a decent, dedicated, kind and caring minister. It's disgusting to me that I could be duped like that. You know there had to be more than just one person impacted by him.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2018 10:39 AM  

There have been priests molesting children all the way back. Read some primary sources. Pederasty is an ancient practice, going back at least 6000 years. The only thing modern about the current crisis is in how it's dealt with. Once you believe the lie that pederasts, excuse me, homosexuals, are normal, the rest naturally follows.

Blogger Cetera June 28, 2018 10:41 AM  

There is more than that going on with Netflix. They have a superhero cartoon aimed at kids where all the heros are trans.

Also in that article you linked is this link, about animated child porn on Netflix:

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/hollywoods-obsession-pedophilia-display-netflix-cartoon-aimed-teens/

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 28, 2018 10:42 AM  

I guess we found the Gamma.

Blogger Nostromo June 28, 2018 10:58 AM  

My family and I had a pretty big argument over Borgoglio. As soon as I saw him my gaydar went off big time. His subsequent actions are starting to get the notice of nominal Catholics(like my family). But they got a long way to go before they're red pilled. I have a cousin who is really close to getting there. She posted a video of a big pedo ring busted in Florida a few days ago, one I hadn't seen.

Blogger Jack Morrow June 28, 2018 11:05 AM  

The Lords of Bakersfield briefly made the news 15 years ago; here's someone who claims to be one of their victims:

http://www.rgmistriel.com

Blogger S. Misanthrope June 28, 2018 11:21 AM  

Facebook spends a significant chunk of resources combatting child porn, but who would take that job? We already had an H1B CEO caught raping his own kids (ages 3 and 1 IIRC, a girl and a boy). How entrenched are pedos in Silicon Valley already?

As for elsewhere, we already know twice as much child abuse takes place in public schools, and yet no one talks about that.

Years ago, I disagreed with my husband over the question of public executions. Now I realize he was right. We lost something when we outsourced our justice. A society that doesn’t string up pedos in the public square loses its soul.

Blogger RA June 28, 2018 11:55 AM  

@42,
Active homosexuals in the priesthood was quite common before Vatican II ... in fact, looonnnnng before Vatican II.

Strictly anecdotal: I heard a few stories about this stuff going on in the seminaries in the 1950's. In those stories they weren't talking about isolated occurrences, they were talking sizable cliques. Which would then lead to the abuse stories from the 1960's on.

But if you really want to know how far back this goes, try at least 1000 years. There is a famous open letter written around the year 1050 by St Peter Damian to Pope Leo IX in which Peter Damian details the vices of the clergy, including sexual abuse of boys among other topics. He also mentioned coverups of said vices. So nothing new here.

Satan has special enmity for the Church and has always sought to corrupt it, always sought to set that corruption front and center to the point it doesn't matter what happens elsewhere so long as the Church is destroyed from within. The Church has paid the price and will continue to pay more price for this.

I am a Catholic and my take on this is that because the Church was given the mission to be the foundation on which the gates of hell would break, so Satan has centered his attention on breaking the Church instead of being broken by it. So that we would be discouraged and no longer believe in God and Jesus if the institution that gave us a framework for that belief was itself found to be corrupt. I say to all that while messengers are almost always imperfect, the Message itself is perfect, just needs us to realize that. That belief is a critical leg of western civilization and we need to retain it, retain our faith and not be discouraged by it.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 28, 2018 12:00 PM  

Socialism was founded by a sex cult: The Oneida Community. They didn't keep paper money: the medium of exchange was sex. Young teenagers were most valuable.

Everyone who is Christian should be praying for the health of the other branches of the Church: Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Pentecostal, and whatever else branches one knows of.

The church in Europe began and flourished because it was against sexual enslavement of any form. Westerners had sky-guy religions. Why on earth would they choose a foreign god? For one, Zeus was busy raping Ganymede, Hercules had time as a cross-dresser youth and age as a pederast. The other tribal gods had unholy appetites, and slavery businesses. The only odd one out was Christianity.

Blogger Red Bane June 28, 2018 12:02 PM  

@52

Vatican 2 represented an existential and world flipping shift in attitudes, officially speaking, toward homos in the priest-hood. It has been a slow drip of upward ratcheting to the point no where we have active priests openly advocating for the queer life and agenda. Big difference.
Yes,pedos have always been with us. Even Jesus said they needed to be hurled into the ocean

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 28, 2018 12:06 PM  

May I post a question: I have the book. I've read it. Moira Greyland said that she became Christian, but she doesn't detail how, or what. Anne Lamott became Christian when Jesus visited her in her descent into darkness.It was not the work of human hands, at first. She reached out to a priest after that.

How can we help?

Blogger Madame Ringading June 28, 2018 12:12 PM  

@59

Early middle-eastern Christians had this cynical saying... "With wine and boys around, the monks have no need of the Devil to tempt them"

I'm also nostalgic for the days of public executions.

Blogger Jack Amok June 28, 2018 12:22 PM  

And they do this for obvious reasons: publicly announcing that there is a war between kiddly-diddlers and healthy folks would cause parents to immediately pull their kids out and the organization would collapse.

No, that's not the reason why. BSA was actually very up-front about the importance of keeping molesters out, and that because it is a youth organization, predators will try to get access to kids.

What they can't do in today's climate is publicly make the connection between gays and pedos. That's the third rail that makes all the funding dry up. BSAs problem isn't that they've been infiltrated by SJWs, but that their major donors have been, and BSA National has been something of a racket for a while. Overpaid executives who need corporate dollars coming in, and those dollars don't come in if you don't fly the rainbow flag. They're converged in a different way.

BSA has lost the fight. Get your kids out now.

1 ) your kids, sons at least, should be some sort of scouting program, BSA or otherwise.

2 ) The predators won't leave a group alone just because it isn't BSA. TrailLife or any of the other alternatives are targets too, and always will be as long as they have kids.

3 ) So whatever organization you choose, you need to be involved so you can judge the character of the other adults. Besides, it's a good way to make new friends.



Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 28, 2018 12:24 PM  

I suspect that the pedo infiltration of our churches can be traced all the way back to the requirement for clerical celibacy. This situation is perfect cover for the very worst deviants.

Blogger Gospace June 28, 2018 12:43 PM  

@62 Completely agree. BSA does not stand for Baby Sitters of America. If your own kids are in a youth group, any kind, church, sports, Scots, you need to be involved at least enough to know all the adults in the local program.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2018 12:50 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:I suspect that the pedo infiltration of our churches can be traced all the way back to the requirement for clerical celibacy. This situation is perfect cover for the very worst deviants.
Then you're both historically and practically ignorant. Orthodxy has it's share of molesters. Judaism has a HUGE problem with pedo Rabbis. Both the Protestant ministry and the public school teachers have more pedos per person than the Catholic priesthood.

Blogger MendoScot June 28, 2018 1:05 PM  

Clicking through some of the links I came across this video, purportedly of Jolie Talking about her induction into a sex cult at an early age.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 28, 2018 1:09 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Orthodxy has it's share of molesters. Judaism has a HUGE problem with pedo Rabbis. Both the Protestant ministry and the public school teachers have more pedos per person than the Catholic priesthood.

The huge problem is that predators go where the prey is found. Requiring a celibate lifestyle might make camouflage a little bit easier, but it isn't causing anything.

A normal man who is required to be celibate isn't going to substitute kiddy-diddling for normal sex. A pervert is going to be perverse, and will pervert others, ``celibate lifestyle'' or not.

Blogger MattyIce June 28, 2018 1:16 PM  

Warning: Do not read the Joe Davis arrest link unless you have a VERY strong stomach, it is beyond comprehension what this guy said he wanted to do to kids, and obviously had done to them in the past. Talk about seeing the face of evil.

Blogger Cloom Glue June 28, 2018 1:22 PM  

Homosexuals have to go back. Into the closet.

Some claim abstinence from sex is not possible and somehow abstinence makes homo-child-diddlers. That is wrong. Many homoists admit they got raped as children and thus got afflicted. Sexual restraint is a virtue, like not becoming a drug addict, and more reasons. Thinking otherwise is an aspect of animalism which is called rational in this fallen culture, which thinks we have no spirit, like animals have no spirit. Maybe the philosophy of animalism is related, but I have not read that philosophy. Those r/K theories are animal in nature. Stefan Molyneux's root idea of animal is in all his thinking. Hearste is often animalism, no?

These researchers think reduction of us to animal-thinking makes us more tolerant of foreigner immigration:

... researchers ... wondered if reading about human-animal similarities might make the subjects more sympathetic toward fellow humans. And, as it turns out, it did. After reading the articles, all subjects completed a survey to determine their attitudes toward immigrants, agreeing or disagreeing with assertions like “immigrants are getting too demanding in their push for equal rights.” Those who read the article emphasizing that humans are like other animals were less prejudiced, as measured by this test, toward immigrants. From the paper: “As anticipated, out-group dehumanization appears rooted in the perception that humans are different from and superior to animals.”

Realizing that humans are animals may make us more tolerant and, in a sense, more human. Plus it just happens to be true, as a certain plucky 8-year-old will gladly inform you.


https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/humans-are-animals-8-year-old-vs-misinformed-teacher/32709

The teacher was right in a spiritual way that was probably left out of the article.

Blogger Jack Amok June 28, 2018 1:26 PM  

Requiring a celibate lifestyle might make camouflage a little bit easier, but it isn't causing anything.

Oh, the camouflage part is big. Normal men have, or at least pursue, sexual relationships with women. Any man not actively pursuing sexual relations with at least one woman (preferably his wife) is automatically not normal. Now, maybe he's gay not normal, or maybe he's straight not normal, but either way, he's not normal, and now you have to figure out in what way.

I'm not Catholic and I'm not going to throw stones, but if y'all are going to insist on celibate priests, you need to ramp up the filtering process.

Blogger MendoScot June 28, 2018 1:36 PM  

I just saw this tho' it's a week old>.

Hillary Clinton presidential campaign donor Clare Bronfman, heiress to the Seagrams fortune, “expects to be indicted by late July” in the NXIVM sex cult case.

The article hints at paedophilia, but explicitly describes experiments on children that left them traumatized.

Blogger ZhukovG June 28, 2018 1:56 PM  

I believe it was St Paul, the Apostle, who recommended celibacy in general. But allowed that marriage was preferable to sin.

John Paul II with help from then Cardinal Ratzinger tried to clean things up. But, JPII coming from behind the 'iron curtain' probably had no idea how big the problem was. He ordered seminaries to quite accepting homosexuals, but had no real way of enforcing it.

Besides, JPII was distracted by his project to show 'Stalin's ghost' exactly how many divisions the Pope really had.

At this point the RCC will have to collapse before it can be rebuilt. Pope Benedict/Cardinal Ratzinger, predicted this:

"From the crisis of today the Church of tomorrow will emerge — a Church that has lost much. She will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning. She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built in prosperity. As the number of her adherents diminishes, so it will lose many of her social privileges...


...And so it seems certain to me that the Church is facing very hard times. The real crisis has scarcely begun. We will have to count on terrific upheavals. But I am equally certain about what will remain at the end: not the Church of the political cult, which is dead already, but the Church of faith. It may well no longer be the dominant social power to the extent that she was until recently; but it will enjoy a fresh blossoming and be seen as man’s home, where he will find life and hope beyond death."

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 28, 2018 2:11 PM  

I'm not suggesting that celibacy causes a normal man to become either gay or a pedophile, but I am arguing that a celibacy requirement prevents many good men from even considering becoming clergy. Is there a coherent argument to be made that a celibacy requirement actually LOWERS child molestation rates?

Finger pointing at Jews and Muslims is counterproductive if the goal is to protect our own children from harm.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 28, 2018 2:26 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:... I am arguing that a celibacy requirement prevents many good men from even considering becoming clergy.

Hard to argue with that!

Blogger ZhukovG June 28, 2018 2:28 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener: That's why you want a good Irish Alcoholic for your parish priest. His vices will be more comical than frightening.

Look, I'm all for the RCC allowing married priests. But, here's the rub. The Globalist faction, that now has the upper hand in the RCC won't allow it. That is, they won't allow it until active homosexuals can be priests.

So as I said, the RCC is going to have to collapse in order to be reformed. Sort of like the USA.

Blogger Matthew June 28, 2018 2:44 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:May I post a question: I have the book. I've read it. Moira Greyland said that she became Christian, but she doesn't detail how, or what.

Moira is having trouble getting Blogger to take her comment in response to this. Here's what she asked me to relay:

"My conversion is in my book. It is a very brief account in Chapter 24. No fireworks, no drama. Just a little girl hearing Jesus."

Here is the passage:

---

I had quietly become a Christian a few years before. When Jesus came to me speaking in a small, still voice, He told me that I was His and He would take care of me. I couldn’t tell anyone, of course. I certainly couldn’t go to church, let alone stop going to my mother’s “rituals.” One thing I do remember very distinctly is that I would get sick every single time I attended one of the rituals.

Blogger VoodooJock June 28, 2018 2:54 PM  

I don't see any reason why a group of solid men in the church couldn't run a youth outdoors group based upon the original tenets of Robert Baden Powell. All it'd take is a few copies of pre-1970 BSA manuals and merit badge pamphlets to base the curriculum upon. Make up your own ceremonies, uniforms, traditions, and rituals to guide young men into manhood.

You'd get the old-style BSA experience without being beholden to a national organization that will attempt to force you to conform to their ideal. A core group of men would be better able to police the ranks to keep the SJW's, perverts, and women out.

There's also organizations like Civil Air Patrol that are more mission-focused and do a better job of keeping those people outside their ranks.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 28, 2018 3:05 PM  

If you look up Rabbis who've been caught doing the same thing, you realize just how quietly the media keeps this info.
I ran across a website that I've lost now, that had made lists of Jewish leaders/rabbis/teachers/community leaders/politicians, etc
Involved in pedophilia, and the list was outdated by a good 8-9 yrs, but it was long & detailed.
Funny how Jewish comedians never make jokes about Jewish pedos, or the 87% of Jewish #MeTooers, right?

Blogger MortemTyrannus June 28, 2018 3:07 PM  

Another confirmation of my rule. If you are involved in "children's" charities/programs, you are predator. Unfortunately, it seems this is more true than false.

For my fellow commenters, the Pope is definitely involved.

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/06/10/the-blood-on-bergoglios-head-argentinas-ghosts/

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 28, 2018 3:19 PM  

Vox, forgive me if you covered this and I've just forgotten, but the latest TEDX scandal, or as it's being called, the PEDX scandal-the TEDX talk about accepting pedos who haven't offended (YET)? TED got so much blowback they removed the video from YT & keep trying to snatch down the mirrored copies.
I downloaded a copy while it was still up, (they may have just given up at this point), and noticed this wasn't the first TED talk trying to normalize pedos. There was at least one more, in April of this year, and my guess is with a little digging, more, older videos are out there, from TED in the same vein.
Just wanted to point this out.
Sorry if you've covered & I missed it/have forgotten.

Blogger MortemTyrannus June 28, 2018 3:33 PM  

The cabal only elevates compromised individuals to a position of power. The more evil the easier to control.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 28, 2018 3:35 PM  

@58

"
The church in Europe began and flourished because it was against sexual enslavement of any form. Westerners had sky-guy religions. Why on earth would they choose a foreign god? For one, Zeus was busy raping Ganymede, Hercules had time as a cross-dresser youth and age as a pederast. The other tribal gods had unholy appetites, and slavery businesses. The only odd one out was Christianity."


Those ancient Greek gods (among others) were the Giants / Men of Renown (half human/half angel) who are mentioned in Genesis and also the very REASON for the Flood -- to destroy them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 28, 2018 3:35 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:if y'all are going to insist on celibate priests, you need to ramp up the filtering process.
Actually, in many places, we'd have to reverse the filtering process. I know two men who washed out of seminary because they were not open enough to homosexuality.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 28, 2018 3:36 PM  

@58

""Socialism was founded by a sex cult: The Oneida Community. They didn't keep paper money: the medium of exchange was sex. Young teenagers were most valuable."

The Oneida Community also produced TWO presidential assassins. Both were kicked out because nobody wanted to have sex with them.

Blogger MortemTyrannus June 28, 2018 3:38 PM  

@80

AC covered it on his blog.

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-06202018/

Blogger Dirk Manly June 28, 2018 3:40 PM  

@61

> Early middle-eastern Christians had this cynical saying... "With wine and boys around, the monks have no need of the Devil to tempt them"


Rasputin's daughter wrote a biography of her father. She says that he was a monk in a monastery, and found it to be overrun with homosexuals, so he left. He joined another monastery, and again, a lot of homosexuality, so he stopped looking for a monastery to be a part of.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 28, 2018 3:42 PM  

@63

"I suspect that the pedo infiltration of our churches can be traced all the way back to the requirement for clerical celibacy. This situation is perfect cover for the very worst deviants."

A requirement in direct contradiction to the New Testament statement that ALL clergy should have exactly one wife. No more, and no less than one.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 28, 2018 3:56 PM  

@78

"Funny how Jewish comedians never make jokes about Jewish pedos, or the 87% of Jewish #MeTooers, right? "

To his credit, Larry David did just that, on SNL. In fact, he even pointed out that everyone involved (at that point, both accusors and accused) were Jewish.

Blogger Avalanche June 28, 2018 4:49 PM  

@73 "Finger pointing at Jews and Muslims is counterproductive if the goal is to protect our own children from harm."

On the contrary -- pushing back by trying to SILENCE fingerpointing at Moslems and Jews for child-rape is part-and-parcel of how White Western civilization has been atomized and is being destroyed!

*IF* you (if one) can keep fingerpointing at Catholics, and saying "oooh aren't THEY bad, they must be focused on for their evil!" -- then you are covering for the child-rape that is ENDEMIC in the moslem peoples across the globe; and allows complete cover (well, is part of what allows complete cover) for ANYthing bad Jews do to OUR children and civilization!

Instead of narrowing and limiting and keeping the focus on Catholic priests -- and thus NOT broadening people's views to 1,400 and 1,100 young White (and few Sikh) girls being raped, sodomized, cut, burnt, tortured, doused in gasoline and threatened with matches, and forced to "have sex with Mohamed and all my friends" - then YOU are helping cover over what is really going on!

OUR civilization (alone) recoils in horror at such crimes (against both boys AND girls)! But our civilization has been diluted by "peoples" for whom such horror is normal. By going along with / supporting / speaking in defense of the intentional NARROWING of focus to only one small group of perpetrators (priests) and NOT keeping it loud and public about the protection of children and the clear identification of ALL perpetrators (especially moslems!), you are abetting the continuation of our destruction!

FREE TOMMY ROBINSON!

Blogger Looking Glass June 28, 2018 5:25 PM  

@75 ZhukovG

Reform for the RCC would shatter the Empire it's built. Roman will refuse, as always, to give up the Power. It's not been about the Faith since the Great Schism.

Blogger Looking Glass June 28, 2018 5:38 PM  

@58 Ariadne Umbrella

https://infogalactic.com/info/Oneida_Community

Wow. Even cutlery isn't safe from these demons.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 28, 2018 5:48 PM  

@89 On the contrary -- pushing back by trying to SILENCE fingerpointing at Moslems and Jews for child-rape is part-and-parcel of how White Western civilization has been atomized and is being destroyed!

That's not what I'm doing. Try to understand that offering "Jews and Muslims do it too!" deflection in response to legitimate criticism of the Catholic Church is completely retarded.

Blogger Cloom Glue June 28, 2018 6:00 PM  

@75 @73 I think women married to clergy caused women to be clergy, in the same way free trade caused free immigration. Women must not be pastors.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 28, 2018 6:03 PM  

I agree with Noah. He's not saying that Jews and Moslems don't do those things, he's saying that the conversation is focusing on ostensibly Catholic clergy right now. One topic at a time, keeps things from getting too confusing.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 28, 2018 6:05 PM  

"Women must not be pastors."

Yes, but women being married to clergy doesn't automatically make for women "clergy". That's like saying that rain makes for leaky houses. It's the weak men/roofs that are the problem that could stop the (inevitable) push by the women/rain before it ever becomes an issue.

Blogger Looking Glass June 28, 2018 7:00 PM  

Cloom Glue wrote:@75 @73 I think women married to clergy caused women to be clergy, in the same way free trade caused free immigration. Women must not be pastors.



They get themselves on the Deacon Board first. Once a church goes that way, it's gone. There is no saving it.

Blogger Avalanche June 28, 2018 10:32 PM  

@92 That's not what I'm doing. Try to understand that offering "Jews and Muslims do it too!" deflection in response to legitimate criticism of the Catholic Church is completely retarded.

@94 he's saying that the conversation is focusing on ostensibly Catholic clergy right now. One topic at a time, keeps things from getting too confusing.

So, "deflection" AWAY from the also-common moslem and jewish rape of children is preferable to *direction TOWARD* the children as victims, and the WAY larger pool of pedos / child rapists that actually needs addressing?

"One topic at a time" needs to be the topic of CHILD RAPE -- not narrowing the focus to one group out of several (if not many). Do (either of) you differentiate between "Catholic clergy do it" (so let's not discuss or pay attention to 2,000+ White children (both girls and boys) across England -- let's just focus on the Catholic Church?) -- and hundreds of moslems doing it both in their countries AND ours? What's confusing about addressing both?

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 28, 2018 11:10 PM  

VD
possibly including the boy's mother, are right there, and they appear to have no idea what is happening right in front of them.


the great thing about Narcissists is, they don't care about their own children. at all.

only about how they might look in the social situation.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 28, 2018 11:13 PM  

oh, and also, that great defender of pedophiles ( Breen in particular ), Harlan Ellison has died.

Blogger Jack Amok June 29, 2018 12:05 AM  

I don't see any reason why a group of solid men in the church couldn't run a youth outdoors group based upon the original tenets of Robert Baden Powell. All it'd take is...

online Youth Protection Training class. It's not bad, or at least wasn't the last time I took it. And that background check...

Might be worth using that as part of your program. I think you could swing it without officially being a BSA unit by insisting all your adult volunteers register with a local BSA district at Merit Badge Counselors, so they'll go through a background check. Why?

Maybe you've heard of the "secret list" that BSA has of sex offenders? A few years back it was made out as some sinister thing, like the RCC shuffling priests around whenever they got discovered. It was the opposite. Any time someone got kicked out of a Scout unit somewhere for sketchy behavior, they went on that list, regardless of whether any criminal charges ever got filed. A lot of behavior that got people kicked out was stuff no prosecutor could file charges for, but was also pretty clearly inappropriate and indicative of a predator who got caught before he could pounce.

They keep that list so the guy can't just shuffle on down the road and try to volunteer with a troop somewhere else where they don't know him. If you get kicked out of a troop in Ohio for doing things that mark you as a pedo and you move to Oregon and try to volunteer there, you'll get bounced. The Oregon troop will get a report back that you're ineligible to volunteer.

Blogger Jack Amok June 29, 2018 12:07 AM  

Wow, that post got half eaten....

If you want to start a scout-like program according to Baden-Powell ideas, try <a href="http://www.inquiry.net/>here</a>. The outdoor skills and patrol method are the most important parts.

Blogger Jack Amok June 29, 2018 12:08 AM  

Oh, for cryin' out loud I'll stop now, and have another Mai Tai.

Blogger dvdivx June 29, 2018 12:28 AM  

"A company that brings in H1B visa workers often finds itself turned into an Indian company based in the USA."

Just go to Seattle and you can see that describes Microsoft and Amazon. Cisco is also that way. They have to bring in contractors to fix the crap they are too incompetent to run. They are a race of locusts. While there is an enormous amount of rape and pedophilia in the Indian community I don't believe there is any conspiracy about it. Its just in their nature. Same with goldbricking, cheating, and credentialism. I just don't believe any real conspiracy is in the Indian community. The Chinese community maybe for stealing technology but not Indians. They just want the credit and their name at the top. They don't care about how it was made as they aren't capable of making it anyways.
I can't believe some lawyer hasn't sued these companies yet for their obvious discrimination in hiring. Its just the same caste hiring each other.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 29, 2018 11:09 AM  

"So, "deflection" AWAY from the also-common moslem and jewish rape of children is preferable to *direction TOWARD* the children as victims, and the WAY larger pool of pedos / child rapists that actually needs addressing?"

No one talks about only the biggest problem all times.

"Respect mah authoritah!" has a way of backfiring, including you using a version of it to try to tell someone off out of the blue.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 29, 2018 11:12 AM  

"Do (either of) you differentiate between "Catholic clergy do it" (so let's not discuss or pay attention to 2,000+ White children (both girls and boys) across England -- let's just focus on the Catholic Church?) -- and hundreds of moslems doing it both in their countries AND ours? What's confusing about addressing both?"

What's confusing about talking to Catholics about the Catholic problems and moslems about the Moslem problems? Well, I guess you'd best not bother talking to the moslems, but apart from that.

You don't come to a bunch of iron-specific smiths and start talking to them about how they need to work bronze.

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