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Sunday, June 17, 2018

Stripe cuts off Freestartr and Bitchute

So much for Stripe as a Paypal alternative.
I thought I might share a few thoughts with you on what I regard as the biggest issue of our time: tech apartheid.

Silicon Valley wants you to believe that it is a force for good but the evidence of its bias and fraudulent dealings couldn’t be more obvious even to a fair, impartial observer.

Most recently this duplicity concerns payment processing, namely the fraudulent company Stripe which canceled FreeStartr’s account despite record low chargebacks. FreeStartr wasn’t alone. All of those companies who had their accounts suspended — Bitchute (a YouTube competitor), MakerSupport (a Patreon competitor), and FreeStartr.com (a Patreon, Kickstarter competitor)– were created by Trump supporters.

This canceling of our business was done for political reasons by Edwin Wee, a Democratic political operative turned Stripe employee, and it exposes the libertarian lie that one can simply just go and create a competitor if one dislikes Silicon Valley ventures. You can’t. We need to get over that canard.

I’ll delve into the parochial issues concerning FreeStartr’s banning from Stripe later, but I am thoroughly convinced that if action isn’t taken in the very near future, our politics will be permanently titled to the far left for the foreseeable future. Ask your congressmen, your friends, to speak out on this issue and take necessary corrections.

We’ve had other discussions about the censorship and Google, Facebook, and Twitter, and yes, those trends are extremely worrisome. But what I’m talking about here as concerns Stripe and PayPal is far more dangerous both for politics and for our society writ large.

Every regime has scapegoats, and ours is no different. Whether you’ve participated in a Twitter mob and/or been its target, you know its power. Ours is a herd based species, and it is quite disturbing the speed with which mores can shift. What was once commonplace — big game hunting, smoking, corporal punishment, etc., — become frowned upon, then the province of cranks, and ultimately unthinkable. There is increasingly good social science evidence for how this process unfolds — where a small minority changes the standards of behavior in a population. Sometimes these changes are so abrupt as to be jarring and yes, even violent. Twitter mobs force you off of their platforms and begin the practice of targeting your employment, your spouse’s employment, etc. until you are ruined. There is no due process here.
One has to wonder what the people at Stripe are thinking. If they're just going to be another arm of SJW enforcement, there is simply no need for their services. One might as well not use Paypal as not use Stripe, after all....

Voxiversity supporters, I think the smart move is to wait and see how Freestartr handles this before we come up with any alternative plans in order to keep the video offensive going.

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113 Comments:

Blogger eyeslevel June 17, 2018 12:50 PM  

Even at the height of Jim Crow, no one tried to stop a black person from setting up a business to cater to blacks. Racial loyalists can tolerate other races as long as there is separation. But wordists, like people who follow the Religion of Political Correctness, cannot tolerate any heresy on planet earth. Their motto is “coexist -or else!” They enforce an ideological inquisition. Wordists are far more intolerant than racial nationalists.

Blogger L' Aristokrato June 17, 2018 12:52 PM  

"Ours is a herd based species..."

Tut-tut; Don't you know about the superiority of absolute individualism? Why, I bet you don't even listen to Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, and you haven't even read Loki.

Blogger Jon D. June 17, 2018 12:53 PM  

This is about the most disconcerting thing I’ve seen. I wonder what the legal options are.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 17, 2018 1:03 PM  

Civil Rights Class Action lawsuits.
With HUGE punitive damages (the point of punitive damages is to make the lawsuit so expensive that they won't even think of trying it again).

Make them live by their own "inclusivity" rules. And get a fortune every time they refuse.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 17, 2018 1:05 PM  

And of course, name not only Stripe, but Edwin Wee, and jointly and seperately responsible for payment.

When Stripe has to pay $millions for his goof-up, he'll be kicked out the door so hard he'll land back in China where he belongs.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 17, 2018 1:13 PM  

... as* jointly ...

Blogger Daniel Bendele June 17, 2018 1:28 PM  

This is where the war is moving. This is why we need control of the courts. They'll take away your right to receive payments, your right to have a bank account. Your right to have a credit card etc. and hide behind the defense that "muh private businesses can do whatever they want".

Blogger Matthew June 17, 2018 1:33 PM  

Jon D. wrote:This is about the most disconcerting thing I’ve seen. I wonder what the legal options are.

I wonder when the extralegal options start getting employed.

SJWs would be wise to start checking whether people they intend to hurt this way live anywhere near them. Then let cowardice be their guide.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 17, 2018 1:55 PM  

Simple: mandate in federal law that any financial clearing house must make the cake--er, process any transaction for goods and services except when that transaction is specifically prohibited by federal or state statute.

Violation shall result in joint and several liability by the company, its officers, investors, and employees, with any indebtedness (a) not being dischargeable in bankruptcy and (b) attaching to any new investors' funds. Interest charges on any such debt shall be treated as an unsecured loan with interest compounding at 6% monthly.

If the clearing house alleges a violation of federal or state statute, they must swear out a criminal complaint in the relevant jurisdiction. Said complaint must be upheld in all particulars by a jury and appellate courts. If the local prosecutor declines to prosecute, if there is a plea bargain, if a judge throws the charges out, if the jury says no way, if the appellate court throws a BS flag . . . it's a violation as described above.

Blogger SidVic June 17, 2018 2:04 PM  

The banks refusing to deal with the deplorables was a huge red pill for me.
Cash should have been protected in the bill of rights. Guess the founders weren't so prescient after all :).

Blogger Howard Stone June 17, 2018 2:05 PM  

Revelation 13:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey June 17, 2018 2:08 PM  

Great, Charles Johnson says that Stripe and PayPal are now working with the Southern Poverty Law Center. A few weeks ago Facebook announced they were working with SPLC, too. These guys at SPLC are the worst. They even put Ben Carson on their hate watchlist as an extremist. Ben Carson. Extremist! Even Gentle Ben is too much for them. And these guys are very active activists and very hate-filled, yet the media always portrays them as serial do-gooders entirely motivated by love. They are going to be making trouble for a lot more people, I suspect.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 17, 2018 2:16 PM  

There's already all kinds of banking regulations for this kind of thing that used to be used to force banks to open branches in 'underserved communities'. AKA communities full of deadbeats so there's any bank there is a money-losing proposition. It's part of what stirred the 'mini-bank' thing with bank counters open in grocery stores and such so the banks could fulfill their requirements with minimum expenditure without being forced to lay down a footprint.

No new laws would have to be passed, just a willingness to enforce banking laws and regs on these new companies.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 17, 2018 2:18 PM  

Here's a handy guide to everything JBS, SPLC, FBI and Fucking Communists.

https://archive.org/stream/foia_JBS_Report--combined/JBS_Report--combined_djvu.txt

Blogger DonReynolds June 17, 2018 2:56 PM  

The article is correct about the aside regarding Libertarians. They are the biggest losers on this issue. There has never been a Libertarian society in history, so the argument has never been about history, only a Libertarian theoretical construct.

I used to enjoy the company of Libertarians and in my college years, I was even considered one, myself. I liked them because they were interested in talking about capitalism, without getting angry or calling me ugly names. I shared with them a common affection for individual liberty but I always found them to be wide-eyed deniers about human beings. They expected people to behave, cooperate, treat each other decently, and follow the rules. No doubt there are some who would, the few saints in this world, but they would be a tiny minority....and ultimately martyred in stew-pots by the cannibals.

Now even Conservatives are caught on the horns of the same dilemma and they are not liking the feeling of confusion. They cheered when the Supreme Court reversed years of nonsense about the Christian baker who refused to be involved in a gay wedding cake. It turns out the Christian bakers had no obligation to bake the cake. Now we have the tech giants targeting everything to the Right of Jimmy Carter and all the sputtering arguments about private enterprise being able to refuse to bake the cake are coming back home to roost over our pies.

(Pssst....the Supreme Court did not render the decision in favor of the few Christian cake bakers in this country and they certainly do not have any animus toward homosexuals. They were signaling all the internet {and other} powers that they too could exclude people they did not agree with from their businesses. Yes, now they are.)

Blogger The Kurgan June 17, 2018 2:58 PM  

This. Absolutely this.

Blogger Johnny June 17, 2018 2:59 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:AKA communities full of deadbeats so there's any bank there is a money-losing proposition. It's part of what stirred the 'mini-bank' thing with bank counters open in grocery stores and such so the banks could fulfill their requirements with minimum expenditure without being forced to lay down a footprint.

I don't know about the mini bank stuff. Could be true or could just be marketing. The big cost to banks is race norming loans, and it turns up mainly in housing. The bank ends up with a loan portfolio that is fundamentally unsound. Any time there is a stress to the system too many of the loans go bad for the bank to adsorb, and next in steps the taxpayer to bail them out.

The other thing that comes to mind is that once the banker knows a certain number of his loans are weak, the temptation is to simply make loans more carelessly all around because sound banking isn't an option, and easier lending produces better profits. That is, until some of them go bad.

Blogger wahr01 June 17, 2018 3:03 PM  

I think you're a bit optimistic on this one.

It's been 2 months and MakerSupport has failed to find an alternative. It is, for all intents and purposes, dead.

I agree with @13 that lawfare is the way to go here. Fredrick Brennan of 8chan supposedly killed off gratipay by reporting them for operating a public-facing payment processor without complying with banking regulations.

As for developing an alternative:


I'm sure the major banks/credit companies provide an API that can be used. It's a question of finding someone with the information security expertise to create a friendly front-end that necessarily passes pen-tests as stringently as WikiLeaks.

A daunting task, but one that's not impossible. I'm sure Elon Musk and others who are bucking the hive-mind of Silicon Valley know the necessary people, and they certainly have the money to seed such an endeavor.

Blogger pyrrhus June 17, 2018 3:06 PM  

Are there any startup tech companies that are actually in business to make money? Asking for a friend who owns Tesla....

Blogger Steb June 17, 2018 3:06 PM  

Even if Freestartr find a way to fix it, have you thought about registering your YouTube channels (along with Infogalactic) for BAT payments via Brave?
It's possible to set up a fixed monthly payment so could work as an alternative for some.

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 17, 2018 3:08 PM  

For those of you who think that the courts can or will force the left to 'bake the cake' you've got a revolution between what you want and what you'll get.

The courts have held that conservatives must obey not anyone else and not for other reasons. The only small win was because the SCOTUS said you could not be overtly biased against Christians NOT that you couldn't discriminate against Christians for the right reasons, ie anything they decide is the right reason. You just can't be biased about it.

Blogger pyrrhus June 17, 2018 3:13 PM  

@15 All SCOTUS said in the Christian baker case was that his religious rights under the 1st amendment needed to be respectfully considered by the Oregon board that ruled against him, and weren't.
The Fed and/or FDIC could dispose of all this nonsense with a couple of regulations requiring non-discrimination, and there would be nothing the SJWs could do about it.

Blogger DonReynolds June 17, 2018 3:14 PM  

Simple Simon met a pieman,
Going to the fair;
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
Let me taste your ware.
Says the pieman to Simple Simon,
Show me first your penny;
Says Simple Simon to the pieman,
Indeed I have not any.
Simple Simon went a-fishing,
For to catch a whale;
All the water he had got,
Was in his mother's pail.
Simple Simon went to look
If plums grew on a thistle;
He pricked his fingers very much,
Which made poor Simon whistle.[1]
He went for water in a sieve
But soon it all fell through
And now poor Simple Simon
Bids you all adieu.

Blogger pyrrhus June 17, 2018 3:16 PM  

So control of the Fed and banking system is more important than anything else, as a certain Baron Rothschild observed 200 years ago...Trump needs to stop messing around with foreign countries and start focusing on the domestic front, or he will fail.

Blogger tz June 17, 2018 3:24 PM  

It took longer than I thought it would.
The alt-white and fake right sites are the canaries and they all died a while ago. The only one that managed to find a payment processor (apparently based out of the USA) is Christopher Cantwell, and he recounts that even the high risk porn site processors wouldn't touch him.

The problem is there are many Trump and beyond supporting financial institutions, but they talk libertarian, because "they haven't come for them, yet".

Blogger Anno Ruse June 17, 2018 3:28 PM  

> Trump needs to stop messing around with foreign countries and start focusing on the domestic front, or he will fail.

Foreign trade policy is a domestic issue. How will the factories come back to America if we don't rewrite the terms with foreign countries? Also, while you're waiting for a payment processor to shut your business down, it'd be nice to not get nuked by North Korea.

Blogger wahr01 June 17, 2018 3:30 PM  

@25

Which processor did Cantwell use and who do we contact to get that information into the hands of these companies?

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 17, 2018 3:34 PM  

Matthew wrote:I wonder when the extralegal options start getting employed.

Yep. They're going to continue to alienate and radicalize more and more young white men who have nothing to lose. And then they'll wonder how the civil war got started.

Blogger Jack Ward June 17, 2018 3:57 PM  

So, the only recourse, as I see it and correct me, someone, if I'm wrong; after all, I'm here for the education, is for an organization that was using stripe or paypal, or whomever, is to require a check or money order sent. Sure, that will hurt business but some business is better than no business. Right? Or, I suppose your internet business could get into credit card numbers and try to not take too many bad numbers. Ship only after the money has cleared? I have no real idea....

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel June 17, 2018 4:01 PM  

Any thoughts on this puff piece on Peterson?

https://www.sott.net/article/388398-An-Extraordinary-Thing-Happened-At-Jordan-Petersons-Indianapolis-Performance

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 4:01 PM  

I think you're a bit optimistic on this one.

That's nice. There are dozens of payment processors, including many outside the USA that don't care about all the SJW nonsense. The problem is that because Paypal and Stripe are easy to use, no one bothers to do anything until they are directly affected by the problem.

Blogger Bradford Walker June 17, 2018 4:02 PM  

Alt-Banking. We need it NOW.

Blogger Crew June 17, 2018 4:07 PM  

Is it possible that, given the success of the Alt*Hero campaign, that this is a preemptive move to stop further such campaigns, or is that just too paranoid?

Blogger Jack Ward June 17, 2018 4:10 PM  

I suppose one personal speculation is whether Vox will unleash his personal regiment of Wardogs on that prime mover at stripe? Be kinda fun, popcorn and all, should it happen.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel June 17, 2018 4:11 PM  

Money is the water of the economy, and this is outrageous.

Denying free expression of money is like denying free expression of speech.

Our System says there is freedom of theory but no freedom of practice. Without money, there can be no practice. Imagine a system that says you can dream of buying things but you can NOT actually buy things.

Currency-Censorship or Currensorship is as ominous as Censorship.
Without money to organize and build, ideas cannot go from theory to practice.

And I don't accept this 'Hate' nonsense. Look at US Media. It is HATE News that tells Americans to hate Russia, Syria, Iran, Palestinians, and white patriots of Europe. It is nothing but hate and more hate. Zionists who hate Palestinians and Syrians can spend and raise as much money as they want.
Sheldon Adelson, the hateful Zionist who called for nuking of Iran, can rake in billions. Madeline Albright who boasted of killing 500,000 Iraqi kids gets million dollar publishing contracts. Rappers who spew hatred against whites and women can get million dollar contracts from Zionist music moguls.

The Empire of Judea(EOJ) has a lock hold on finance. Since they lost the monopoly of information due to rise of the internet, Currensorship is censorship by other means.
EOJ figures, "If we cannot suppress speech/theory itself, we will suppress the practice of speech/theory by using our ethno-financial monopoly to deny funds and exchange of funds among the people."

In the past, civil liberties were about Free Speech or Free Exchange of Ideas.
Now, the new civil liberties must be about Free Spending or Free Exchange of Currency.
Zionist ethno-monopolists who deny the right of Free Spending and Free Exchange of Funds are like the Zionists in Israel who cut off free flow of water to Palestinians. Zionist ethno-monopoly is enforcing SANCTIONS on patriotic White Americans. This cannot stand!

Blogger wahr01 June 17, 2018 4:19 PM  

@31 VD


It's of course possible MakerSupport and the like are run by incompetents who don't know how to dig up these alternatives.

It's also possible these alternatives are quietly turning them down behind closed doors due to "hate speech" laws in their countries, or simply a general distaste for the attention and public smearing from "activists" and the costs to them from other converged orgs who do care.

I'd love to see a comms dump between a targeted org and these companies.

Blogger Pierre Truc June 17, 2018 4:27 PM  

About 10 years ago I did a few e-commerce websites, and we used payment plugins from the bank. Every bank has an offer, and then some. There are quite a few paypal-lookalikes. I won't make suggestions because they won't be up to date, but the one we used back in the day is still in business. You have to spend an afternoon learning the API... big deal...

Blogger State Estimation June 17, 2018 4:34 PM  

Cloudfare, payment processors...hell you can't open an air bnb account without pledging to advance the SJW agenda.

The last year or so has been pretty educational. Difficult to build anything when your supply lines run through enemy territory.

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 4:39 PM  

Is it possible that, given the success of the Alt*Hero campaign, that this is a preemptive move to stop further such campaigns, or is that just too paranoid?

Too paranoid. Others are using Indie-go-go without trouble and other sites were shut down too.

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 4:41 PM  

It's also possible these alternatives are quietly turning them down behind closed doors due to "hate speech" laws in their countries, or simply a general distaste for the attention and public smearing from "activists" and the costs to them from other converged orgs who do care.

Based on my experience, none of these guys lift a finger to work outside the box. The fact that they all got cut off and didn't have a backup plan already up and running is sufficient evidence to indicate that it's amateur hour.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 17, 2018 4:45 PM  

OT:
Leftists have always been about pan-sexuality. and they mean it.

https://2m2l2d2d.blogspot.com/2018/06/communists-have-always-been-about.html

Blogger Pierre Truc June 17, 2018 4:51 PM  

VD wrote:The fact that they all got cut off and didn't have a backup plan already up and running is sufficient evidence to indicate that it's amateur hour.


Yes! We implemented several payment processors, I mean like 3 different ones...

...and we were selling dildos, FFS!

Maximum, a day's work each, depending how retarded the APIs were (some banks know how to code, some really go out of their way to demonstrate how much they suck). But it is not complicated.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 17, 2018 5:18 PM  

"Alt-Banking. We need it NOW."

Can't, it's been regulated out the wazoo since even before 1900. You have to dismantle the entire system the "Federal" "Reserve" uses before you can even get to the wires to maybe jump start a different type of bank.

What'll likely happen instead is black market transactions and banking.

Blogger TheMaleRei June 17, 2018 5:34 PM  

Sorry for the OT, but Sargon of Akkad, in the latest "This Week in Stupid" June 17, 2018, has joined UKIP, along with Count Dankula.

The Alt-Right is inevitable.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 17, 2018 5:38 PM  

@pyrrhus

So control of the Fed and banking system is more important than anything else, as a certain Baron Rothschild observed 200 years ago..

Bngo. Beat me to it. Claiming that this is ideologically-based, or happening because they consulted the SOLC, is missing the point. Every payment processor needs to deal with banks. They're like donors in politics. If the banks say "Hey, we can't continue to deal with you if you continue to process payments for these particular people/ companies," you have to listen. That's what they're thinking:

One has to wonder what the people at Stripe are thinking. If they're just going to be another arm of SJW enforcement, there is simply no need for their services. One might as well not use Paypal as not use Stripe, after all....

It all comes down to control of the financial system, media, and education -- and the willingness to use this control in a coordinated fashion. Though it helps to have control of intelligence agencies too, of course.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira June 17, 2018 5:41 PM  

The stripe must be yellow in colour, located on the belly.

Blogger Looking Glass June 17, 2018 5:44 PM  

@42 Pierre Truc

You barely avoided owing me a keyboard there.


One noticeable thing with a lot of the "alt-activist" side of things is they haven't actually taken the Red-Pill on what is going on, and thus don't understand the situation they find themselves in. Too many of them, at heart, are the Techno-Libertarian type, who seem very ill-suited for building alternatives that aren't on the old Silicon Valley model.

When you're in a war, it's best to actually act like it. It's also best to have counter-attack plans, as quite a lot of this stuff has already well crossed over into Anti-Discrimination territory, yet none of them are prepared to deal with it in the regard. The entire set need less Tumblr and more Ivan Throne.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 17, 2018 5:44 PM  

30. Andrea Daley Utronebel June 17, 2018 4:01 PM
Any thoughts on this puff piece on Peterson?


she purports to be a "Chick On The Right", https://www.chicksonright.com

okay, so what does this Chick of the Right value?

"I saw many gay, male couples. I saw tatted-up biker-like folks. I saw spectacle-wearing, book-carrying student-types. It was as diverse a crowd as I could have imagined. And I loved that. "

Cuckservative credentials? IMPECCABLE!

Blogger DonReynolds June 17, 2018 5:46 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"Alt-Banking. We need it NOW."

Can't, it's been regulated out the wazoo since even before 1900. You have to dismantle the entire system the "Federal" "Reserve" uses before you can even get to the wires to maybe jump start a different type of bank.

What'll likely happen instead is black market transactions and banking.


Ed Potter started a new bank in the back of his father's drug store in Nashville with $200, just in time for WWI. He pioneered branch banking in the 1920s, before it was regulated. The bank he started was first called the German-American Bank. How do we know it today? Regions Bank.

It is still possible to get into banking with very little money. You can even start a new bank. The simple and easiest way is to start a state credit union. If you do not want your books examined, you can go start a pawn shop...fundamentally the same thing as a bank, without the nice lobby and pretty girls.

Blogger Bogey June 17, 2018 5:51 PM  

Simple question, what is the difficulty level involved with creating a payment system? Is it something that FreeStartr can just do?

Blogger Jack Amok June 17, 2018 6:07 PM  

I suppose your internet business could get into credit card numbers and try to not take too many bad numbers. Ship only after the money has cleared? I have no real idea....

As Vox said, there's lots, you just have to integrate. It's not hard, it's usually just some HTTP APIs.

They all take their vig, of course, but so does everyone.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 17, 2018 6:12 PM  

Name one. I'm sure "Alt-retards," Andrew Anglin & Richard Spencer would *LOVE* to know who they are, since they've searched outside of the US for a couple of yrs now.
I'd love for this to be the case, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case.
Coinbase banned Gab's acct yesterday, ffs. I mean a freaking crypto wallet, of all things.
I think we're about to see mass pain/panic coming from the left- they know they're already losing the battle for 2018 elections, and as it has begun to dawn on them, they are going to lash out even harder than they did post-2016 election.
It's coming...and things are going to get ugly, online & off, IMO.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 17, 2018 6:14 PM  

"If you do not want your books examined"

Books examined is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about being roped into the whole BS FDIC rodeo, and noose-tied to the "Federal" "Reserve".

That being said, yes, pawn shops have some similar mechanisms, but that couldn't save them from fiat manipulation if they were to get too powerful in that vein.

This is why I said black market. If people really think we can topple the FedRes, let's go for it, but it must be outflanked regardless of the means/legality.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 17, 2018 6:16 PM  

At the very least we need to start trading items of actual value. If any sort of mechanism like that actually gains traction though, expect it to be immediately outlawed. Hence, black markets.

Blogger Jack Amok June 17, 2018 6:21 PM  

Simple question, what is the difficulty level involved with creating a payment system?

Not very hard for one example. A day or two if you accept the default look, a week if you want to customize it for your site. You pay maybe $0.25 + 2% per transaction (depends on the exact card used).

Blogger VD June 17, 2018 6:28 PM  

Name one. I'm sure "Alt-retards," Andrew Anglin & Richard Spencer would *LOVE* to know who they are, since they've searched outside of the US for a couple of yrs now.

I don't think you understand how totally incompetent they are.

Blogger Jesse Gilbert June 17, 2018 6:55 PM  

actually there needs to be a separate currency system that is combo precious metals / electronic funds with a publicly posted trade rate. The metals can be mined in north africa. I am doing this but it is damn hard. Bitcoin was a good start but even that lacks the component of the Gold standaard. Actual value is still floating now because no one really knows what is in the Federal Reserve and what the actual dollar is worth relative to other global currencies.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2018 6:55 PM  

> The stripe must be yellow in colour, located on the belly.

More likely white and down the back.

> Name one. I'm sure "Alt-retards," Andrew Anglin & Richard Spencer would *LOVE* to know who they are, since they've searched outside of the US for a couple of yrs now.

Haven't you learned yet that when Vox makes a statement of fact rather than opinion, he *always* makes sure he knows what he's talking about?

Jack Amok just gave you a pointer to a nice list to start checking on.

Square seems to be a very good processor for small businesses (less than $20K/year or so), but they're fairly pricey from what I've seen. They even have an app for use with your Android or older iPhone to take credit card payments, though it's not chip compatible. I have no idea if they're converged or not though. The matter has never come up.

Blogger Steampunk Koala June 17, 2018 7:09 PM  

Zeroh Tollrants wrote:Name one. I'm sure "Alt-retards," Andrew Anglin & Richard Spencer would *LOVE* to know who they are, since they've searched outside of the US for a couple of yrs now.


I didn't know there were more than the big two until Vox said something. It took a grand total of 30 seconds on DuckDuckGo to come up with a couple lists of them. There is no way they looked for 'years'.

Blogger Dire Badger June 17, 2018 7:37 PM  

You know, I am starting to think that alt-right haters are moving too openly. They have no fear of what will happen when they allow their name to be associated with bigotry on this level.

The muslims have the right idea (despite being idiots). Go after the ones who publicly move against them. The virtue-signallers who have lost all terror of someone coming into their house at night and stepping on their neck in response to their dishonorable actions.

Not that I am advocating such activity, of course, but when cowards think they are powerful and untouchable, they become the worst sorts of evil. A back alley beat down is just about the right size for people to start fearing the lives they casually destroy.

Blogger Pierre Truc June 17, 2018 7:51 PM  

> I didn't know there were more than the big two until Vox said something.

I guess Paypal has been pretty good at brainwashing people into thinking they're the only option.

When me and a few buddies made these e-commerce websites around 2002 there was no such thing as paypal. Still, every bank offered credit card APIs, and they still do. Many e-commerce websites don't use paypal, instead they use a bank API. It isnt rocket science. I'm sure aliexpress has one too, probably called alipay or something...

I am baffled that freestartr and others don't know this.

Blogger Looking Glass June 17, 2018 7:55 PM  

@60 Dire Badger

The Muslims are always tools of other forces, so they actually tend to keep to themselves. They do low-level conquest approaches because that's all they understand. If they actually had to fight something out, they'd get annihilated fairly quickly.

As for the SJWs, Leftists always do that. They're driving by the virtue signaling because they have no virtue. They always go overboard. And, from a strategic perspective, it's valuable, though it does mean they're going to do a lot of damage in the process. The SJWs always become their own agent provocateur if you let them. That's why the Fake Right exists to do the "softly, softly" stuff, otherwise no one would clean up the mess.

The destruction of the professional "conservative" movement will usher in the Left going "over-board" simply due to no one spotting them. People really should pay more attention to when Vox is saying things will happen.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 17, 2018 7:55 PM  

Revilo Oliver is a good source on the Birchers and Welch.

Blogger Jack Amok June 17, 2018 7:57 PM  

Square seems to be a very good processor for small businesses (less than $20K/year or so), but they're fairly pricey from what I've seen. They even have an app for use with your Android or older iPhone to take credit card payments,

Square, aka The Way You Pay For Lunch From a Food Truck.

Blogger Looking Glass June 17, 2018 8:02 PM  

@61 Pierre Truc

Per Chuck's post on it, the CEO straight up told him it wouldn't be an issue, which leads to the maxim "never believe anyone that works in Silicon Valley".

Blogger Looking Glass June 17, 2018 8:05 PM  

@64 Jack Amok

"Square" who shares a CEO named Jack with Twitter. Another Public SV company that doesn't make a profit.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 17, 2018 8:09 PM  

@Stg58/Animal Mother

The Reuther memorandum, 1961 -- JFK administration's view of the "Radical Right" is also interesting. From (((moldbug))):

https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/08/reuther-memorandum-1961.html

Blogger Jack Amok June 17, 2018 8:20 PM  

"Square" who shares a CEO named Jack with Twitter. Another Public SV company that doesn't make a profit.

Yeah, but they make it easy enough that even some new-age ditz selling beads at a farmer's market can use it. So we'll need to be smarter than a bead weaver.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2018 8:22 PM  

> Square, aka The Way You Pay For Lunch From a Food Truck.

Exactly.

> "Square" who shares a CEO named Jack with Twitter. Another Public SV company that doesn't make a profit.

Believe me, Square turns a profit on every transaction. They may well use creative accounting and absurd management pay to pretend they don't. Though I hadn't realized their CEO was Dorsey. Yeah, they're thoroughly converged then. You're only safe with them if you stay below their radar.

Blogger Bogey June 17, 2018 8:33 PM  

@55 Thanks Jack, just started watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ1FFP2iVlQ there's obvious road bumps to do this beyond the technical aspect. Sounds like it could be one hell of a headache in the making.

Blogger Bogey June 17, 2018 8:35 PM  

Freestartr should have had a backup ready to go.

Blogger Looking Glass June 17, 2018 8:54 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> Square, aka The Way You Pay For Lunch From a Food Truck.

Exactly.

> "Square" who shares a CEO named Jack with Twitter. Another Public SV company that doesn't make a profit.

Believe me, Square turns a profit on every transaction. They may well use creative accounting and absurd management pay to pretend they don't. Though I hadn't realized their CEO was Dorsey. Yeah, they're thoroughly converged then. You're only safe with them if you stay below their radar.


Twitter CEO is the job no one in SV wanted, and it's pretty clear why. The platform is a government-controlled PsyOp, so being involved means you're answering questions to the people that have no problem making you quite dead. Taking the job is literally cucking yourself publicly. Dorsey is the co-founder of Square.

As for Square, in theory they're making money on their transactions, but this is still a SV company that's blending Net Income. Normally it means they're trying to buy off all of the early investors, but you never quite know unless you have pretty solid inside information. SV model doesn't make anything productive, which is always the problem with it.

Blogger Nate73 June 17, 2018 9:43 PM  

@2: Have *you* read Loki? I haven't!

Blogger Drew June 17, 2018 10:06 PM  

eyeslevel wrote:Even at the height of Jim Crow, no one tried to stop a black person from setting up a business to cater to blacks. Racial loyalists can tolerate other races as long as there is separation. But wordists, like people who follow the Religion of Political Correctness, cannot tolerate any heresy on planet earth. Their motto is “coexist -or else!” They enforce an ideological inquisition. Wordists are far more intolerant than racial nationalists.
Social injustice anywhere is a threat to Social Justice everywhere.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 17, 2018 10:12 PM  

A bit late in the day, but happy White Privilege Day, everyone!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 17, 2018 10:31 PM  

@75: thank you, Z. Yay for us!

Blogger nswhorse June 17, 2018 11:14 PM  

For someone who is currently reading The Last Closet, the parallels reading that story were eerie and disturbing. The big question I now have is just how many people on the left and the establishment right are involved in this evil?

Blogger Darwinite June 17, 2018 11:59 PM  

Who mediates the boycotts, gives them effect by inflicting the punishment? Who controls the revenue streams that fund Google, Facebook, cable, broadcast, radio, whoever? The advertising industry controls the flow of money. Chalk it up to Bernays, or Anna Freud, or (((whoever))), it’s not alt-games, alt-movies, or alt-comics we need in the end, it’s alt-eyeballs. That said, I’m very happy with the current and coming disruption our SDL is bringing to the table.

Blogger wreckage June 18, 2018 12:13 AM  

Go straight around Paypal via bank services is going to be the shortest route. You'll probably pay less for the privilege too. Paypal is really risking its entire, precarious, market with this nonsense.

Blogger jdgalt June 18, 2018 2:47 AM  

We've needed PayPal alternatives for some time, not only to prevent SJW cutoffs like this but also other cutoffs of politically disfavored vendors (such as Indian tribes selling cigarettes).

The big problem is the "money laundering" regulations, which seem to criminalize any potential workaround unless you register as a payment processor and jump through hoops that include some of the exclusions. In effect this is what Operation Choke Point has turned into.

The only thing that will solve it, in my view, is a lawsuit to permanently restrain either the government or the banks from denying banking access to anybody at all, except maybe convicted terrorists. But how to win such a suit, I haven't any idea.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 3:30 AM  

@12

The sooner the SPLC is burned to the ground, the better. Preferably during the middle of business hours, with the doors chained shut so nobody can escape.

Blogger The Aardvark June 18, 2018 4:09 AM  

If only there was a funding alternative, friendly to the likes of us....

Blogger Iamblichus June 18, 2018 6:49 AM  

Vox, maybe its time to become a cryptocurrency advocate. Even if people don't believe in holding cryptocurrencies, they can certainly be used as a payment conduit.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 7:07 AM  

@43

"What'll likely happen instead is black market transactions and banking."

What do you think Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are, other than the facilitation of electronic transactions for black-market actors.

Blogger Iamblichus June 18, 2018 7:21 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@43

"What'll likely happen instead is black market transactions and banking."

What do you think Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are, other than the facilitation of electronic transactions for black-market actors.



Correct alt-banking starting in 2009 with bitcoin. Like it or hate cryptocurrencies, they work. If you can't handle the volatility, cash them in right away.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 7:29 AM  

@54

"At the very least we need to start trading items of actual value."

Won't happen unless a law is passed that fiat currency is no longer "legal for all debts, public and private"

There's a fundamental rule of economies: bad (i.e. debased, and worthless fiat) money drives out the good.

For example, in ancient times, new kings used to occasionally change the coinage -- either dropping the weight of the standard unit of pricing, or lowering the percentage of gold or silver in the coins.

What would happen, as fast as replacement coinage became available, is the older, more valuable coins, would be hoarded.

Sometimes, the king would get away with this sort of monetary inflation. Other not-so-lucky kings paid the price in being assassinated.


If you are American, and come across pre-1965 silver coinage (dime / quarter / half-dollar / dollar), what do you do?

You seperate it out immediately, and keep it, because it's worth MUCH MORE than any post-1965 coin of the same denomination.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 7:35 AM  

@60

"You know, I am starting to think that alt-right haters are moving too openly. They have no fear of what will happen when they allow their name to be associated with bigotry on this level."

Despite being cowards, lack of fear is precisely what allows a leftist to pursue his goals beyond the "passing fancy" stage in the first place.

Who other than a completely fearless moron does everything he can to start, and perpetuate the overrunning of his state, city, and sometimes even neighborhoods with barbarians who are violent and, if they even understand the concept of law (beyond retaliation), have absolute contempt for it.

Only a person completely lacking in fear does any such thing.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 7:53 AM  

@77

"For someone who is currently reading The Last Closet, the parallels reading that story were eerie and disturbing. The big question I now have is just how many people on the left and the establishment right are involved in this evil?"

Enough that they control the FBI.
Enough that they control the DC police department.
Enough that in most big cities, the senior detective for such crimes is put in that place for the purpose of COVERING UP these crimes unless it's by a nobody who isn't in the network.

See the Crazy Days and Nights blind drop and comments about the song Dirty Laundry

(search with site:crazydaysandnights.net as a search term, you'll find it).

The drop contains the clue that the LAPD's "Golden Boy" wasn't assigned to the pedophlia case to investigate and build a case for charges to be filed, but instead, to sweep the whole affair under the rug.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 7:55 AM  

@78

"Who mediates the boycotts, gives them effect by inflicting the punishment? Who controls the revenue streams that fund Google, Facebook, cable, broadcast, radio, whoever? The advertising industry controls the flow of money. Chalk it up to Bernays, or Anna Freud, or (((whoever))), it’s not alt-games, alt-movies, or alt-comics we need in the end, it’s alt-eyeballs. That said, I’m very happy with the current and coming disruption our SDL is bringing to the table."

(((Advertising Industry))).
That's why EVERY DAMNED AD has a white woman romantically involved to a black man, or is cleaning up after a white man does something catastrophically stupid (whereas "catastrophic" is on the female scale -- spilt milk -- not the male scale (house burned down, thousands dead, etc.).

Blogger Pierre Truc June 18, 2018 8:21 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Only a person completely lacking in fear does any such thing.

AC has something on this.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 18, 2018 8:33 AM  

"What do you think Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are, other than the facilitation of electronic transactions for black-market actors."

Isn't there a permanent, crypto-signed record of every transaction, which completely eliminates anonymous transactions? Anything based on blockchains is bad news for black markets, if so. Cryptocurrencies are no good as a long-term store of value, and extremely vulnerable as currency.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 8:52 AM  

Bitcoin is an ANONYMOUS transaction.
You can create a new purse for each transaction, and when you cash out, destroy your purse.
That makes it completely untrackable at that point, because the purse doesn't even exist any more.

Blogger James Dixon June 18, 2018 9:33 AM  

> The only thing that will solve it, in my view, is a lawsuit to permanently restrain either the government or the banks from denying banking access to anybody at all, except maybe convicted terrorists.

Social Security benefits are now electronic only (direct deposit or debit card only). See https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10073.pdf for the details. That gives anyone who wants a to file a lawsuit against a bank which denies service a fairly easy class action route. The payment processors are a bit harder.

Blogger ZaijiaN June 18, 2018 10:18 AM  

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Blogger ZaijiaN June 18, 2018 10:19 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Isn't there a permanent, crypto-signed record of every transaction, which completely eliminates anonymous transactions? Anything based on blockchains is bad news for black markets, if so. Cryptocurrencies are no good as a long-term store of value, and extremely vulnerable as currency.

Various levels of anonymity can be had, depending on the coin. A public ledger does not always imply a lack of anonymity.

Bitcoin is nominally "anonymous" but if you're not careful with the way you use addresses, your transactions can eventually be traced back to you.

There are more than a few alt-coins with true anonymity as a key feature, that are designed so that the transaction process itself enforces anonymity, Monero (XMR) probably being the most popular at the moment.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 18, 2018 10:31 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Bitcoin is an ANONYMOUS transaction.

You can create a new purse for each transaction, and when you cash out, destroy your purse.

That makes it completely untrackable at that point, because the purse doesn't even exist any more.

No. That's the promise. It's a lie. You have to interface to the coin system at some point. Those interface points are vulnerable, and regularly compromised by the Federal government.

Crypto is 75% hype, 10% tech, 10% fraud, and 5% lies.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 18, 2018 10:45 AM  

@96

Burner phone with tethering.

Done.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 18, 2018 10:55 AM  

Burner phones are not a useful way to sell comic books.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 18, 2018 11:45 AM  

"Won't happen unless a law is passed that fiat currency is no longer "legal for all debts, public and private"

There's a fundamental rule of economies: bad (i.e. debased, and worthless fiat) money drives out the good."


Only if it's legally enforced. People will use the worthless money for as long as other people (usually this is where the legal enforcement comes in) are accepting it. As soon as that stops working they stop using.

There are multiple methods to destroy cryptocurrencies. As soon as someone has some level of control over more than half of the nodes, they've got everyone. That would of course be accomplished by some indirect means like encouraging citizens to use a certain currency, and then requiring them to use your proprietary wallet, or some such. The system's weakness is that it's effectively democratic. Expect any means of purposefully deviating a system from reality to be used against it.

This type of hostile takeover is simple enough that analogous actions have been taken hundreds and probably even thousands of years ago.

Blogger OneWingedShark June 18, 2018 11:54 AM  

Daniel Bendele wrote:This is where the war is moving. This is why we need control of the courts. They'll take away your right to receive payments, your right to have a bank account. Your right to have a credit card etc. and hide behind the defense that "muh private businesses can do whatever they want".
This is exactly where the globalists want to take things:
Revelation 13:17 — “so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.”

Now is the time to pray, and pray hard.

Blogger Martin June 18, 2018 3:37 PM  

While this certainly hurts, there are many alternatives. The simplest option is to move to a different payment processor, like Braintree.

Beyond that, though it is more work, there is nothing preventing them from opening their own merchant account, and using a virtual terminal provider like Authorize.NET. Yes, it takes a lot more technical knowledge, but it's not terribly hard. I've done it on custom sites I built from scratch. And in the end, it may be cheaper, since you aren't paying points to an intermediary.

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 18, 2018 7:22 PM  

This situation, when looked at in toto, seems to me to be an awfully reminiscent of needing “the Number of the Beast” tattoo in order to conduct the business of living.

Oh, I know it's not there yet — but to me it really does seem to be moving in that direction. And, you just know it's going to snowball as the mass overcomes resistance and acquires inertia.

– BmG

Blogger Iamblichus June 18, 2018 8:56 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"Won't happen unless a law is passed that fiat currency is no longer "legal for all debts, public and private"

There's a fundamental rule of economies: bad (i.e. debased, and worthless fiat) money drives out the good."


Only if it's legally enforced. People will use the worthless money for as long as other people (usually this is where the legal enforcement comes in) are accepting it. As soon as that stops working they stop using.

There are multiple methods to destroy cryptocurrencies. As soon as someone has some level of control over more than half of the nodes, they've got everyone. That would of course be accomplished by some indirect means like encouraging citizens to use a certain currency, and then requiring them to use your proprietary wallet, or some such. The system's weakness is that it's effectively democratic. Expect any means of purposefully deviating a system from reality to be used against it.

This type of hostile takeover is simple enough that analogous actions have been taken hundreds and probably even thousands of years ago.




You are an idiot

Blogger James Dixon June 18, 2018 9:25 PM  

> You are an idiot

Wow, what an utter persuasive rebuttal. I'm sure Azure is simply devastated and will never show his face again.


Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 19, 2018 12:40 AM  

"You are an idiot"

Cool story bro.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 19, 2018 5:53 AM  

@106

"There's a fundamental rule of economies: bad (i.e. debased, and worthless fiat) money drives out the good."

Only if it's legally enforced. People will use the worthless money for as long as other people (usually this is where the legal enforcement comes in) are accepting it. As soon as that stops working they stop using."

As long as the law requires them to accept it (This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private), they will.

As soon as people are no longer REQUIRED to accept it, they will quickly demand something with actual value.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 19, 2018 11:41 AM  

You will note that fiat money is only required for payment of debt.
When the fiat loses its value, it destroys credit. As in, the entire rotten edifice of banking and credit creation. People simply refuse to continue lending when you can force them to accept worthless paper as payment.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 19, 2018 12:00 PM  

There are different levels of legal enforcement. Full fiat is as you say. It was common -- when we still recalled that it was illegal for the gov't to do anything with money other than mint precious metal coins -- to just say that the government would accept the tender for tax purposes for example.

People weren't forced to accept it, but it had some level of value (that could instantly collapse without much detriment to the average person).

I understand I relayed that concept poorly.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 19, 2018 2:45 PM  

Prior to Richard Nixon's presidency, the Federal Reserve Notes in circulation were Silver Certificates and Gold Certificates.

NONE of these had the "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private" notice on it, because they didn't need it. They didn't need the notice because these notes were redeemable for specie at any federally chartered bank (and most state banks, too).

Those notes were assets. Current notes are instruments of debt. HUGE difference.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 19, 2018 2:56 PM  

The US fiat currency has the treasury symbol stamped in green.

Silver certificates are easily identified because the treasury stamp is blue, and have a legend that the note is redeemable in silver, instead of the "legal tender" legend. Other than that, they look the same as the U.S. currency before the modern makeover with the oversize portraits (the oversized portraits are a marker to indicate that the note has modern anti-counterfeiting features, such as embedded security strips, and watermarks, which are difficult to duplicate properly with modern digital copying machines.

The gold certificates were originally stamped in red (often issued by local banks). Later they were stamped in yellow.

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 19, 2018 4:26 PM  

This is correct, but you have the timing off. The last US silver certificates were printed in 1964, and the face language was invalidated in 1968, when Congress decided that "This bill certifies that there is deposited in the Treasury of the United States Of America, X Dollar(s) payable in silver to the bearer on demand" actually meant "Will only be honored with federal reserve notes of the same denomination."

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