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Tuesday, June 05, 2018

The next religion

Is going to be a false globalist one with the trappings of Christianity. And Jordan Peterson is its UN-anointed prophet.
Leftism is the religion that says that Activists are called to save the victims of the world by politics. That is to say, by force.

I say it is a false religion.

But nothing is going to change until we come up with something better that would persuade the hearts and minds of Good Little Liberal Boys and Good Little Liberal Girls to take down their #WeBelieve yard signs. We need a new religion that will lead to Jonah’s new “moral consensus”...

So we need a new religion for the People of the Creative Self, one that celebrates creativity without declaring war on the deplorable middle class. The best thing would be to celebrate both creativity and responsibility while still caring for the traditionally marginalized and exploited.

Did you know that there is a chap out there who wrote a book about this, that the highest and best human was the sacrificial, creative hero exploring courageously on the border between order and chaos, bringing the dangerous unknown world into the known world? As opposed to the lefty creative activist and his gospel of force. And this guy has also written a best-seller about getting responsible and cleaning up your room.

What is interesting about this man is that he risked his life, his fortune, and his sacred honor -- or as we say now: his career, his pension, and his reputation -- as a sacrificial hero opposing the Canadian C-16 law about transgender pronouns.

To the left, Jordan Peterson is obviously the anti-activist. But alt-righter Vox Day calls him a charlatan. That’s the thing about prophets. They are all charlatans until they aren’t.

So what’s going to happen? Solway’s revolution, Vox Day’s reactive nationalism, or Jonah’s new “moral consensus?” My guess is all of the above.

The key is the moral consensus.
My take is that a fake religion constructed by a suicidal charlatan and a false moral non-consensus have absolutely no hope of surviving against a resurgent nationalism supported by a return to unabashed Scripturally-sound Christianity. Because the truth lasts while falsehood has to constantly mutate just to remain credible.

I care nothing for consensus. To quote Captain America when he actually was the real Captain America:

When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world, “No, YOU move.” 

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99 Comments:

Blogger S1AL June 05, 2018 11:08 AM  

Civil War Cap is best Cap.

Blogger DJ | AMDG June 05, 2018 11:09 AM  

I loved everything I ever read by Straczynski.

Blogger S1AL June 05, 2018 11:15 AM  

I am, once again, unclear on whether this is satire.

Blogger Almodavar June 05, 2018 11:16 AM  

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls
But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
Indeed you're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsHtfg7E3lA

Blogger Joseph Maroney June 05, 2018 11:21 AM  

"What is interesting about this man is that he risked his life, his fortune, and his sacred honor -- or as we say now: his career, his pension, and his reputation -- as a sacrificial hero opposing the Canadian C-16 law about transgender pronouns."

An enemy operative needs to be allowed to establish his street cred.

Blogger eyeslevel June 05, 2018 11:23 AM  

I see a proliferation of false prophets. Jordan Peterson. Patrick Little. Tommy Robinson. Donald Trump.

By their fruits shall ye know them.

Blogger eyeslevel June 05, 2018 11:27 AM  

The established religion of Anglosphere and Western Europe is the Religion of Political Correctness. Professors are it's priest indoctrinating our youth in the seminaries known as colleges and universities. We have an inquisition to root out and crush heresy ie "hate speech."

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 05, 2018 11:32 AM  

"The key is the moral consensus."

That settles that then. No need for God anymore. The Concensus has spoken.

Blogger FUBARwest June 05, 2018 11:32 AM  

They aren't even trying to hide their game plan anymore, this is ridiculously transparent AND the person who wrote this is aware of Vox and all of his complaints.

How are these people in charge? Or is this man simply an incredibly useful idiot? Amazing.

Blogger F X June 05, 2018 11:34 AM  

This is starting to catch on. The 'Daily Caller' recently put out an anti Jordan Peterson article.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/03/jordan-peterson-anti-christian-vision/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Blogger wrf3 June 05, 2018 11:35 AM  

I can just see the Arkhaven comic featuring Captain America vs. Martin Luther.

Luther: "Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders".
Cap: "No, you move."

Blogger Isaac Miller June 05, 2018 11:38 AM  

It won't be Francis since even he is too orthodox for the globalist crowd (which is why I think they're getting ready to force his retirement or oust him), but you can bet they would love to get "James Martin, SJ" type in the chair of St Peter and finish off the schism between the traditionalists and the progressive radicals in the Catholic church, unite with the liberal Protestants, and claim the mantle of Christ himself using liberation theology, social gospel, etc tenets to draw the entire left in.

The left's core problem is they've never had some religious or transcendental framework to galvanize all their various competing factions that hate each other. That sort of religious framework would do the trick.

Blogger kurt9 June 05, 2018 11:41 AM  

Much of alt-right worldview is based on what could be called biological realism. A central reality of bio-realism is that traits such as cognitive ability and executive function (which essentially covers all of the traits we call "good behavior") are largely determined by innate biology rather than environmental influences (schools, family, etc). If you accept this premise, would it not be reasonable that advanced bio-engineering, rather than religion and what not, would be key to improving human performance and behavior into the future?

Blogger Nolan Dodge June 05, 2018 11:45 AM  

Vox, what are some of the key tenets of Scriptural Christianity? Is there any movement to resurrect historical Christianity?

Blogger The Kurgan June 05, 2018 11:49 AM  

I for one am betting on actual Catholics with the spirit of the Crusaders and a deep hatred of the apostate scum currently infesting the entire Vatican and most of what people consider “Catholicism”.
They are still not bloodthirsty enough....
but I plan to see if I can change that a bit.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2018 11:58 AM  

The Kurgan wrote:I for one am betting on actual Catholics with the spirit of the Crusaders and a deep hatred of the apostate scum currently infesting the entire Vatican and most of what people consider “Catholicism”.
I'm betting on Francis actually instituting a schism. If he survives a couple of more years, I think it's inevitable.

Blogger The Kurgan June 05, 2018 12:00 PM  

I don’t disagree. In the few Catholic blogs I frequent the feeling is one where they’re about to cheer if Muslims blow up Saint Peter as long as Bergoglio is in it when it happens.

Blogger VD June 05, 2018 12:02 PM  

If you accept this premise, would it not be reasonable that advanced bio-engineering, rather than religion and what not, would be key to improving human performance and behavior into the future?

No. You're confusing mechanism with motivation.

Blogger bw June 05, 2018 12:06 PM  

to save the victims of the world

Which is to say, themselves.
Self-Salvation by the Saviors, from a Lying authority.

Blogger Rabbi B June 05, 2018 12:06 PM  

@3 S1AL

I am, once again, unclear on whether this is satire.

The sign of our times.


Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!

Blogger tkatchev June 05, 2018 12:14 PM  

Is going to be a false globalist one with the trappings of Christianity.

No, it will be Islamic.

Blogger pyrrhus June 05, 2018 12:15 PM  

Chantrill is pretty much your standard cuck...I had forgotten all about AT after they kicked me off for daring to criticize plucky little Israel's use of America as an indentured servant, but they do have some decent articles at times. This wasn't one.

Blogger pyrrhus June 05, 2018 12:17 PM  

Is going to be a false globalist one with the trappings of Christianity.

No, it will be Islamic.

I don't think so, moslems are simply too stupid as a group to run anything. And I don't think the elites plan to give up plumbing...

Blogger Chesapean June 05, 2018 12:18 PM  

A lot depends on one's concept of religion.

My concept is that religion is a type of scientific knowledge. It is knowledge in the sense that religion serves as a repository of tested -- and proved -- human experience. It is science in the sense that valid religious practice removes assumptions, manages expectations, and liberates human experience from mere attention-based behavior.

Most important, religion only operates effectively where capable teachers and students come together in a "school" where the conditions of people, place and time are favorable to the specific teaching to be transmitted. The question of favorable conditions is key, because fake "schools" or just non-vital, irrelevant ones are a naturally occurring problem.

I believe this technical concept of religion is useful as an antidote to magical thinking on the topic.

Blogger Chiva June 05, 2018 12:22 PM  

The key is the moral consensus.

But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” - 2 Peter 2:22

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2018 12:26 PM  

Chesapean wrote:My concept is that religion is a type of scientific knowledge.
You have it exactly backwards.
Science, as we understand it, is simply a division of Philosophy, what Aquinas would have called Natural Philosophy. Religion, or more properly Theology, of which Religion is the practicum, is the object of all true Philosophy.
Science of which we are all very proud, that many think is the only form of knowledge, is in reality a very small and minor aspect of Theology.

Anonymous Anonymous June 05, 2018 12:30 PM  

"Is going to be a false globalist one with the trappings of Christianity.

No, it will be Islamic."

(((Wrong)))

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2018 12:32 PM  

What a loaf of psychobabble! It is inreadable.

Inrelated. Zero Hedge is reporting that Miss America beauty peagant will not judge on body and, therefore, no more swimsuits. Thar she blows.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2018 12:39 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:...therefore, no more swimsuits.
Feminists and women upset by fat shaming are not the target audience. Who do they think will be impressed by this. Say goodbye to a large part of whatever audience they have left.
Next will be the adoption of the chador and veil. So we can judge them only on their mind. Then only their male relatives will be allowed to speak in public, to protect them from voice shaming, lest the shrieking harridans be at a disadvantage.
This is true feminism.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2018 12:46 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:I don't think so, moslems are simply too stupid as a group to run anything. And I don't think the elites plan to give up plumbing...

The elites don't plan to give up anything they have, but they plan to give up everything you have. Plumbing for mee but not for thee, say the elites.

Blogger Chesapean June 05, 2018 12:52 PM  

@26. Snidely Whiplash

RE: "Religion, or more properly Theology, of which Religion is the practicum, is the object of all true Philosophy."

Yes, that is the very concept I oppose because it emphasizes the supernatural at the expense of the mundane.

That's not to say that wonderment at the disposition of the cosmos isn't appropriate from time to time.

Blogger dvdivx June 05, 2018 12:52 PM  

Its just yet another attempt to peel away white Christians from their faith. There will be no movement from Hindus, Muslims, or Buddhists. There will be no influx from Mexican or African Christians either. Its just another attempt to mislead the sheep.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2018 1:00 PM  

Chesapean wrote:Yes, that is the very concept I oppose because it emphasizes the supernatural at the expense of the mundane.
The supernatural is more real than the mundane.
Honestly, why buy in to the materialist mindset? This is one of those stupid compromises that Atheists try all the time. "Well, let's ignore the more important question so that we can focus on the things we all agree on." followed immediately by "All that theology (and nowadays Philosophy) is not necessary."
Without Theology, the mundane makes no sense and has no purpose. It yields nothing but despair, as your Pagan ancestors would have told you, if you bothered to listen to them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2018 1:01 PM  

Chesapean wrote:That's not to say that wonderment at the disposition of the cosmos isn't appropriate from time to time.
Wonderment at the disposition of the Cosmos is not a feature or an effect of theology. The rudest tree-worshipping animist can feel that wonderment, or even an Atheist.

Blogger CarpeOro June 05, 2018 1:02 PM  

How does the old saying go? Thesis+anti-thesis=consensus?

The idea of Islam as the cohesive force misses a key part of the nature of Islam: there always needs to be prey. It doesn't support innovation or growth, so it relies on loot. If everyone is in the House of Peace there is no one to prey upon. Followers of Islam are a two edge sword the globalist try to utilize, but aren't the only one because it is recognized how imperfect a tool they are.

Anonymous Anonymous June 05, 2018 1:05 PM  

The globalhomo religion will be led by a Jew who appears to have super powers. He'll rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. Just about every cucked churchian (i.e. 95% of all Christians) will bow to him. It's possible we'll also see a mass conversion of Muslims into real Christians (possibly in Iran... and possibly via visions of Christ via dreams)... if this happens, expect (((Are Greatest Ally))) to start firing off nukes. Of course, churchians will cheer this too because somehow Genesis 12:3 applies to devil-worshiping mongrel Italians.

Blogger Patria June 05, 2018 1:11 PM  

The New religion is Homomania.

Homo agenda was sold as secular 'gay rights' but turned into Gay Rites, the sanctification of Homos as saints. Notice homos are placing homo symbols in churches. Homomania or Queertianity is meant to replace Christianity.

Blogger Nostromo June 05, 2018 1:20 PM  

Walk into a public restroom frequented by minorities, and then tell me that.

Blogger Crush Limbraw June 05, 2018 1:21 PM  

Vox wrote: "Because the truth lasts while falsehood has to constantly mutate just to remain credible."
That seems to have and continues to play out in my life. Augustine wrote:"Faith comes by hearing, understanding from knowledge and knowledge by sight."
Someone wrote a comment recently that I read "I don't believe in God - I know!"
It continues to be a process, the evidence of which I see all around me - given eyes to see by the grace of God.

Blogger tz June 05, 2018 1:35 PM  

Jordan Peterson is a larger version of what you might have encountered: a "facilitator".
Facilitators are supposed to help build consensus but what they really do is try to implement a globalist, SJW, or similar goal by carefully channeling the discussion.
I usually have fun with them by derailing their trains. e.g. "No, I don't want to do the supid exercise, it wastes time we could be using to solve the problem".

It is the same Nietzian nihilism but as a self-help book. It could be renamed the 12 rules to ignore the fact your spirit is dead. You will be a zombie that stands up straight and has a clean room. And the admonitions to "fix yourself before fixing the world" offers nothing because it still leaves you a zombie.

Blogger Jeshurun June 05, 2018 1:35 PM  

If you know what is meant in the scriptures when it says the Sun shall rise in the West then you know what the 'next' religion will be :). The Jordan Petersons of the world are devils that God has risen up to punish, just as He says.

I come here because I find you to be honest and even if we were to disagree it pleases me to find some sense out there amidst the madness of today when the vile of the earth exalt themselves and go about pointing the finger continually.

The difference between myself and most conservatives is I despise these vile liars and hold them in contempt. The proper course is to show them your back and not your face ie: have no compassion on them, separate yourself from their wickedness. Have faith in God to deliver you from the iron furnace) If God were truly with us then this is the course our leaders would take. But since God has rejected them they seek to appease and compromise in the name of peace just as God says,
"How could one have chased a thousand,
and two have put ten thousand to flight,
unless their Rock had sold them,
and the Lord had given them up?"

God has rejected those who call themselves after His name, this is why Trump is under siege and all those who do not accept their evil will be under siege too, until God has mercy but this can only happen when one repents which we don't see do we? When is the last time any leader in America truly repented of all the evils they do and make us culpable for? - Trump made a military deal with Saudi Arabi for who knows how much of the peoples money, do you think God glories in such acts? By no means! This is evil. "Youths oppress my people (David Hogg), women rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path."


(A devil is one who incites to violence and is always sowing the seed of corruption and wickedness via oppression - you're a racist or a white supremist etc. etc. etc. is oppression... and persecution (O'Reilly, Hannity etc. etc.) None of this would be if it wasn't God doing it...

Blogger freddie_mac June 05, 2018 1:48 PM  

@16 Snidely Whiplash
I'm betting on Francis actually instituting a schism. If he survives a couple of more years, I think it's inevitable.

Exactly. This time, however, I think the split will be between conservative and liberal Christians, running across denominations instead of just confined to the Catholic Church.

Blogger Crew June 05, 2018 1:59 PM  

I have been reading EO Wilson's "The Meaning of Human Existence" which I thing Vox mentioned a while ago.

He also seems to be a globalist and is peddling some sort of religion for the clever sillies.

One particularly egregious statement is:

Not to worry. By the time the process has set in, likely this century, the role of science and high technology will, as expected, be beneficent and far more pervasive than now. But--and this is the most important part--science and technology will be the same everywhere, for every civilized culture, subculture and person. Sweden, the United States, Bhutan, and Zimbabwe will share the same information.

He seems to be pushing the notion that humans everywhere are all the same.

Blogger Chesapean June 05, 2018 2:21 PM  

@33. Snidely Whiplash

RE: "The supernatural is more real than the mundane."

That may be, but direct experience or comprehension of the supernatural is not unalienable. In other words, most people must undergo a process -- part rote learning, part de-programming, plus other things -- for the supernatural to be revealed to them, even if it is present in itself all along.

Jesus himself exemplifies this reality.

The necessity of this process has two consequences: (1) it what gives charlatans like Jordan Peterson their opportunity to deceive others, and (2) it is why real teachers (and real religions) exist.

I am simply bringing attention to the idea that those who are attracted to magic (supernaturalism) may in fact be incapable of learning what a valid and vital religion has to teach.

Blogger Lovekraft June 05, 2018 2:25 PM  

Or Captain's great line from the Ultimates book (written by Mark Millar). When he's asked to surrender, he points to the A on his masks and says 'what does this stand for? France???'

I commented the other day that society, or the world even, is at a turning point. A period post-Obama in which man becomes entrenched in fear and banality, or unites (separately?) in healthy competition.

Of course, there are the ages-old groups that seem to serve one purpose, that I call 'shoepebbles.' Just annoying pests who contribute nothing except to perpetuate failed ideologies (yes, Islam and the tribe, talking to you two).

Blogger Durandel June 05, 2018 2:27 PM  

Francis isn’t orthodox, he’s a Peronist Commie. That’s why he says yes to the orthodox and to the heterodox within one news cycle without suffering a cogdis breakdown.

The moderns have been working on destroying the Church several decades before Vat II. What’s one more additional Modernist-commie infiltrator as pope to secure the long march? They only want to oust Francis because he was supposed to boil the frog slowly, not roast it on the grill.

Blogger Robert June 05, 2018 2:28 PM  

Creativity? What an odd central notion. Next will come "creativity is in the eye of the Creator".

But creativity without moral vision goes nowhere. Vide: modern "art".

Blogger Durandel June 05, 2018 2:34 PM  

We should start lay formation orders for young men that look to the military order tradition. The next Crusade may require faithful laymen to March on the Vatican and take it back from Moderns/Commies.

Or maybe a clandestine order? How much of the sacrilege in Germany would end if all but the faithful 7 bishops of Germany were alive one morning? Or all the members of the St. Galen mafia suffered mysterious car accidents? Horrible to contemplate, but we’d be lying if we said death never solves a problem.

That’s why I do as that polish priest does: pray for their conversion or their death, and with all haste.

Blogger Durandel June 05, 2018 2:34 PM  

We are already in schism, it just isn’t official.

Blogger Durandel June 05, 2018 2:35 PM  

How shall the imperfect build the perfect?

Blogger Peter Gent June 05, 2018 2:48 PM  

I wonder, does anyone make an effort to separate the Ashkenazi from the biblical Hebrew descendants? They are literally different tribes and different religions (one Babylonian, one biblical). I always take ((( ))) to be Ashkenazi or the more common term Jew and not Hebrew.

Blogger Isaac Miller June 05, 2018 2:49 PM  

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Blogger Isaac Miller June 05, 2018 2:51 PM  

@49 : We are already in schism, it just isn’t official.

This is correct, and most in the upper reaches have known it. When it is made official, I wager it'll resemble the events of the Maccabean era, with the Hellenized Jews (read: Progressive Catholics) receiving the support of Rome.

Blogger Wanderer June 05, 2018 2:52 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:Or Captain's great line from the Ultimates book (written by Mark Millar). When he's asked to surrender, he points to the A on his masks and says 'what does this stand for? France???'

A stands for Amnesty. Worse than if it were France tbh.

Blogger Feather Blade June 05, 2018 3:02 PM  

Nolan Dodge wrote:Vox, what are some of the key tenets of Scriptural Christianity? Is there any movement to resurrect historical Christianity?

Since your fingers obviously aren't broken, DDG: "Apostle's Creed", "Nicene Creed", or any of the various Catcechisms that the Church has developed over the years.

Blogger Gritón del Desierto June 05, 2018 3:11 PM  

The new fake religion will be an expanded version of francmasonery:a religion in which "every man can agree", a relativist mess,but they'll have options:a " holistic" god for believers,a "metaphoric" god forma unbelievers and a set of "universal" principles,"do wathever You want as long as you don't harm anybody" and rules that sound like "You can clean your room if You want,but that is not an oppressive rule,don't do it of You don't want to,but it will be something positive of You do".And there would be drugs.Lots of drugs.Because,when You don't hace real experiences with God You create your own fake experience with drugs,like pagana used to do

Blogger Peter Gent June 05, 2018 3:12 PM  

Chesapean wrote:@26. Snidely Whiplash

RE: "Religion, or more properly Theology, of which Religion is the practicum, is the object of all true Philosophy."

Yes, that is the very concept I oppose because it emphasizes the supernatural at the expense of the mundane.

That's not to say that wonderment at the disposition of the cosmos isn't appropriate from time to time.

So you are fundamentally anti-Christian because the spiritual is at the foundation of Christianity for John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

I love how you dismiss all spirituality as "magical thinking" but slide a bit allowing wonderment or awe as a bone, trying to avoid dead materialism which is just that dead, dead, dead.

Blogger Peter Gent June 05, 2018 3:15 PM  

Feather Blade wrote:Nolan Dodge wrote:Vox, what are some of the key tenets of Scriptural Christianity? Is there any movement to resurrect historical Christianity?

Since your fingers obviously aren't broken, DDG: "Apostle's Creed", "Nicene Creed", or any of the various Catcechisms that the Church has developed over the years.

The Thirty-nine Articles of the Anglican Church are a good short statement of basic belief. For a book, I would suggest Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

Blogger English Tom June 05, 2018 3:17 PM  

Advanced bio engineering gives humans the temptation to play God. That usually doesn't end well.

Blogger Peter Gent June 05, 2018 3:18 PM  

Or Knowing God by J.I. Packer.

Blogger English Tom June 05, 2018 3:18 PM  

No. It will be Talmudic.

Blogger Desdichado June 05, 2018 3:18 PM  

Feather Blade wrote:Since your fingers obviously aren't broken, DDG: "Apostle's Creed", "Nicene Creed", or any of the various Catcechisms that the Church has developed over the years.
Which were developed by committee to write out Arians for political reasons.

Blogger freddie_mac June 05, 2018 3:33 PM  

@14 Nolan Dodge
what are some of the key tenets of Scriptural Christianity?

Try "Creeds of the Churches," edited by John H Leith (my version is 3rd ed, 1982). Note that I got this at a used book sale and haven't read it yet, but it contains creeds (statements of belief) for Christian churches from biblical times to the (1980s) present. This includes various Christian creeds up thru the Reformation, then creeds from the various Protestant branches; the "newest" creed is from 1967 (United Presbyterian Church).

hmm, available on Amazon for $1.75 (used)
https://www.amazon.com/Creeds-Churches-Third-Christian-Doctrine/dp/0804205264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528227157&sr=8-1&keywords=creeds+of+the+churches

Blogger Orthodox June 05, 2018 3:54 PM  

I am, once again, unclear on whether this is satire.

You are not alone.

Blogger Rhys June 05, 2018 3:56 PM  

They already have their new religion. It's the obsession with the nouveau. What actual need is there to create a new religion? There isn't any, but "old stuff" has already been made, so you can't be egotistical about inventing something unless you discard it and try to re-invent it. Good luck with that.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora June 05, 2018 3:57 PM  

Early on when I first heard of Peterson I noticed how little he knew about the bible. He had an incredibly surface level understanding of it. I made the mistake of thinking he knew about the other subjects he talked about though. Then I noticed that fans of Nietzsche had a lot of problems with Peterson, Jungians had a lot of problems with him, people big into math (in terms of statistics and complex systems and such) had major issues with him, and so on. I realized Peterson is a lot like the news. Everyone notices his shortcomings in their own area of expertise but for some reason fail to notice the overall pattern.

Blogger S'mon June 05, 2018 4:00 PM  

>>I realized Peterson is a lot like the news. Everyone notices his shortcomings in their own area of expertise but for some reason fail to notice the overall pattern.<<

He is a great bullshit artist though. :)

Blogger Isaac Miller June 05, 2018 4:13 PM  

@14: "Vox, what are some of the key tenets of Scriptural Christianity? Is there any movement to resurrect historical Christianity?"

At the risk of this becoming a Catholic/Protestant slugfest where my loyalties are with the former, I'd argue this puts the cart before the horse. If identity precedes policy, the identity of the Church precedes the New Testament.

I certainly appreciate educated Protestants, but I do not believe they are as equipped to weather the coming storm, and I think the deeper-rooted Catholic heritage and appreciation of national identity without allowing the church to be subsumed by the national culture is an advantage it has.

I think any attempt to form a "scriptural Christianity" coalition will suffer the same fate as all ecumenical movements - either constant fraying and fracture on doctrine, or watering things down to the point where it is no different from the globalists.

The Southern Baptist convention is currently being converged by Social Justice, and I think that is the fate of every Protestant denomination. Traditionalist Catholics have some escape hatches (SSPX, expectation of Fatima, solid traditional priests) if the schism comes.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 05, 2018 4:30 PM  

Yes, he "risked his career & pension," (no, he really didn't), at a university where he was making 170K a year, to become a muli-millionaire, who rakes in around 90K a month, JUST FROM PATREON.
Stunning AND brave, stunning and brave.
It's time for the hoser love child of Benny Hinn & Deepak Chopra to be hustled off of the main stage.

Blogger Man of The West June 05, 2018 4:48 PM  

I remember seeing a “Vote Barack Hussein Obama for Illinois Senator” yardsign back in the early 2000s, and thinking “Good one. As if any American will vote for a guy named ‘Hussein Obama’ after Sadam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden”. I also recall making jokes with right wing colleagues during the gay marriage debate around 2008-2010 era that “what is the left going to push after they get the gay stuff they are pushing? Transgenders?”. Occasionally we would joke later about the left having no one to run after Obama “Watch, I bet they run Hillary for prez! Yeah right!”. So now I have been fooled enough to learn my lesson. Whatever looks like satire, or to a rational mind would be insanely stupid, is what they intend on doing.

Blogger Lovekraft June 05, 2018 5:08 PM  

@68 Isaac Miller:

re the Southern Baptists, I have listened to Charles Stanley (who is from that organization, if memory serves right) for well over ten years now.

When I first heard him, he was too rough to my liberal-indoctrinated ears, but over time, his frank and consistent message became very strenghtening. Wouldn't surprise me, then, that the SJWs/marxists would target him.

Blogger DonReynolds June 05, 2018 5:08 PM  

There is no "all of the above" choice and there never was.

The Left dreams of a world where everyone agrees (with them). They crave consensus. They want it so bad they can taste it and you will either die or convert....if necessary at bayonet point.

They remind me of the Jihadis who insist that Islam will rule the world....or should....or may anyway, because everyone else is a weak infidel.

Like the Muzzies, the Leftists need an object lesson to what it is like to be the Hunted, rather than the Hunter. Make it open season with no bag limit, no restrictions on age or gender, and night hunting and dogs are allowed without permit. Keep all you bag. (WE could pave streets with the bastards and drive them into extinction.)

Blogger Robert Pinkerton June 05, 2018 5:09 PM  

@16, Snidely Whiplash: Schism in the Roman Catholic Church in our current time-frame was predicted by John Brunner in his Stand on Zanzibar. The issue there seems to be birth control.

Heinlein, in his effort at predicting future "history," called our current time-frame "the Crazy Years." Robert Silverberg, in his Hawksbill Station, predicted that our current time-frame would be characterized by severe economic trouble culminating in the fall of the present regime in favor of a Chancellor and Council of Syndics.

Vox, I request you please consider a symposium on future predictions by early SF writers.

Blogger S1AL June 05, 2018 5:18 PM  

"I certainly appreciate educated Protestants, but I do not believe they are as equipped to weather the coming storm, and I think the deeper-rooted Catholic heritage and appreciation of national identity without allowing the church to be subsumed by the national culture is an advantage it has."

I don't know how you can possibly reconcile this notion with the Bull of Unum Sanctum, which is a core part of the RCC rot.

Blogger Chesapean June 05, 2018 5:24 PM  

@57. Peter Gent

RE: "So you are fundamentally anti-Christian because the spiritual is at the foundation of Christianity for John 4:24 'God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.'"

I'm hardly anti-Christian. Have you noticed that your quotation from John contains a practical, physical meaning?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 05, 2018 6:00 PM  

Isaac Miller wrote:The Southern Baptist convention is currently being converged by Social Justice, and I think that is the fate of every Protestant denomination.

The beauty of not having any ruling hierarchy is that converging the head buys you nothing. You have to converge each congregation from within, separately.

If you converge the denomination from the top, you have captured roughly none of the congregations. The ones you have not captured will split off and leave you with an empty shell. ``Southern Baptist'' is going to be pretty worthless as an SJW skin suit, once all of the Christian congregations have bailed out, and no longer support it.

Blogger Barbarossa June 05, 2018 6:51 PM  

@70: I worked in Chicago at the time and said, "There is no way in hell that a guy named Barack Hussein Obama will ever be elected president of these here United States." That's when I began to realize I had no skills as a prognosticator...and that the rot in our country was far deeper than I had originally suspected.

Blogger Feather Blade June 05, 2018 7:27 PM  

Desdichado wrote:Feather Blade wrote:Since your fingers obviously aren't broken, DDG: "Apostle's Creed", "Nicene Creed", or any of the various Catcechisms that the Church has developed over the years.

Which were developed by committee to write out Arians for political reasons.


That is what one usually does with heretics, yes.

The other alternative is for him to read the Bible.
Which he should be doing anyway, but it is a bit much for someone looking for the PowerPoint version.

Blogger Unknown June 05, 2018 7:49 PM  

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Blogger Isaac Miller June 05, 2018 7:58 PM  

@71 : Certainly, the SBC has been one of the thorns in the side of the left for some time. They really want that scalp.

@76: "The beauty of not having any ruling hierarchy is that converging the head buys you nothing. You have to converge each congregation from within, separately."

It does - you now own their name and brand and likely have a bunch of minions to trot out who will apologize for their sins and attack former allies while you pay their salary, and all the little scattered churches are too disparate to concentrate their efforts against you.

Decentralization is power in some arenas - pure power politics is not one of them.

Blogger Unknown June 05, 2018 7:58 PM  

I'm not clear if it's satire

It's not meant to be satire. The search for any consensual order amidst the chaos caused by sin, without the means by which it is possible - Christ - is an aberration of the truth and satirical enough already.

a fake religion constructed by a suicidal charlatan and a false moral non-consensus have absolutely no hope of surviving against a resurgent nationalism supported by a return to unabashed Scripturally-sound Christianity

This barely survives its statement. Alt-Rightism in the name of God is also a fake religion. The battle you're proposing is based on rhetoric. It's about whose method of gaming 'truth' has potential to be leveraged more effectively into worldly power.

Both Western crusade and globalist consensus lead people away from Christ, albeit in different directions.

Blogger Blume June 05, 2018 8:02 PM  

Pay their salaries with what money?

Blogger Miss Carnivorous June 05, 2018 8:36 PM  

The great screenwriter, William Goldman, Princess Bride, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, All the President's Men, etc, was a judge on the panel that picked Ms Carlson as Miss America. Goldman called her, "Miss Piggy". I seem to recall that he wanted Miss Utah, a gorgeous, smoldering brunette, to win but was informed that she was too sexy to be Miss America. So Miss Piggy it was, much to Goldman's chagrin. My mom and I used to watch the pageants and rank contestants and try to pick the winner and runners up. It was great fun! I love to look at beautiful people.

Blogger Beau June 05, 2018 8:42 PM  

I am simply bringing attention to the idea that those who are attracted to magic (supernaturalism) may in fact be incapable of learning what a valid and vital religion has to teach.

Consider the case of the centurion concerned for his sick servant. This man was looking for a supernatural solution, reasoned his lack of standing, and asked anyway for supernatural intervention,

That is why I did not consider myself worthy to come to You. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell one to go,’ and he goes; and another to come,’ and he comes. I tell my servant to do something,’ and he does it.” When Jesus heard this, He was amazed at the centurion. Turning to the crowd following Him, He said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith!”

From the above example we see the outsider seeking supernatural solace receive divine help by comparison of circumstances from the mundane to the sublime. Not only does this seeker of specific supernatural aid overcome alleged categorical incapability, he is commended with highest praise by Jesus.

Blogger Miss Carnivorous June 05, 2018 8:46 PM  

Oops, I commented at the end of the wrong thread! Eek!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 05, 2018 8:55 PM  

Unknown wrote:Alt-Rightism in the name of God is also a fake religion.
No more than your worship of the false God you follow.

Blogger Vaughn Treude June 05, 2018 10:14 PM  

Vox gives JP waaay too much credit.

Blogger Crush Limbraw June 05, 2018 10:17 PM  

Scriptural Christianity? Jesus said look for the fruits, as in this review I found today - https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/06/no_author/everyday-saints-russias-christian-mega-bestseller-20-million-copies-10-languages-and-going-strong-a-review/ - in the unlikeliest of places maybe?

Blogger Jack Amok June 05, 2018 10:27 PM  

So we need a new religion for the People of the Creative Self, one that celebrates creativity without declaring war on the deplorable middle class. The best thing would be to celebrate both creativity and responsibility while still caring for the traditionally marginalized and exploited.

Wow, that would be nice to have. Too bad, Christianity almost does it, if only Christianity had ever celebrated creativity. If only it had ever inspired creativity like The Book of Kells or the Sistine Chapel or Handel's Messiah or even fiction like The Lord of the Rings.

Oh well. I guess we'll have to settle for the Jordeo-Christ and creative dreams about our hot cousins. As long as we're responsible and clean our rooms first.

Blogger Jack Amok June 05, 2018 10:28 PM  

I am, once again, unclear on whether this is satire.

Oh, it's satire all right. Only question is who's the author.

Blogger Nobody of Consequence June 05, 2018 10:31 PM  

12 men, 2000 yrs and still He has not be eradicated. God's will be done.

Blogger Chesapean June 05, 2018 11:57 PM  

@84. Beau

RE: "Not only does this seeker of specific supernatural aid overcome alleged categorical incapability, he is commended with highest praise by Jesus."

Perhaps a certain kind of humility is necessary for the supernatural to become accessible?

Blogger Didas Kalos June 06, 2018 12:22 AM  

Read the Bible for crying out loud!

Blogger Didas Kalos June 06, 2018 12:23 AM  

You may not be far off. 😉

Blogger insight June 06, 2018 12:36 AM  

"Like the Muzzies, the Leftists need an object lesson to what it is like to be the Hunted, rather than the Hunter. Make it open season with no bag limit, no restrictions on age or gender, and night hunting and dogs are allowed without permit. Keep all you bag. (WE could pave streets with the bastards and drive them into extinction.)"

Mr.Reynolds the leftards are sensitive to which way the winds are blowing being very effeminate and any hint of blowback (with a few exceptions of course) they would promptly wrap their "cloak" around them and move back into the shadows appearing "conservative" until an opportune time later on. Then folks would be falsely lulled into security thinking the problem was solved until the next iteration that is.

Blogger Beau June 06, 2018 2:50 AM  

Perhaps a certain kind of humility is necessary for the supernatural to become accessible?

Yes.

Toward the scorners he is scornful,
but to the humble he gives favor.
Proverbs 3:34

But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” James 4:6

Humility opens our eyes.

Blogger Peter Gent June 06, 2018 7:23 AM  

Chesapean wrote:@57. Peter Gent

RE: "So you are fundamentally anti-Christian because the spiritual is at the foundation of Christianity for John 4:24 'God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.'"

I'm hardly anti-Christian. Have you noticed that your quotation from John contains a practical, physical meaning?

Not sure what you are implying, but the verse argues that in the mundane here and now physical world you have to approach God spiritually and truthfully, so the spiritual is central to being Christian and approaching God in any way at all.

Chesapean wrote:@84. Beau

RE: "Not only does this seeker of specific supernatural aid overcome alleged categorical incapability, he is commended with highest praise by Jesus."

Perhaps a certain kind of humility is necessary for the supernatural to become accessible?

Absolutely, since humility admits that what you see, know, and perceive here in the mundane physical world are not the end all and be all of existence. It opens you to the supernatural, but not willy nilly, as things such as New Age mysticism and other forms of spiritualism do the same thing and it is not without cause that the Bible has some of its strongest denunciations for venturing into that realm. It is the abode of demons and possession and all manner of hellish possibilities.

Seeking God with humility allows the seeking of Him in spirit and in truth and Jesus promised that those who ask for a fish will not receive a snake (Luke 11:11). We do not have to worry since when an honest heart seeks God, that is whom that heart finds.

Blogger Peter Gent June 06, 2018 9:27 AM  

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Blogger kurt9 June 07, 2018 12:12 PM  

VD wrote:If you accept this premise, would it not be reasonable that advanced bio-engineering, rather than religion and what not, would be key to improving human performance and behavior into the future?

No. You're confusing mechanism with motivation.


Well, the motivation is to pursue a open, limitless future of radical abundance. At least that's my motivation and what I view as the purpose of Western civilization. One of the basic differences between the West and the rest is that Western civilization is inherently "promethean" in nature. The rest of the world is not. It is precisely this promethean, pioneering nature that makes Western civilization unique and, thus, worth protecting.

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