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Wednesday, June 06, 2018

The warriors

It's rather amusing to see conservatives falling all over themselves to be the first to denounce the reported SWATting of David Hogg. Remember, these are the same people who claim that they will actually shoot and kill police and other lawful authorities should said authorities ever come to disarm them, but they are denouncing a much milder response to someone actively attempting to lay the foundation for those confiscations.

Let me make a prediction: if anyone does violently resist having their guns forcibly confiscated, conservatives will be the very first to denounce that resistance.

Conservatives simply don't have the backbone to fight for anything. Not their nation, not their guns, not their families, not even their persons. At this point, I tend to doubt they would have the wherewithal to do more than write a wordy complaint citing the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Gettysburg Address to protest being rounded up en masse and sent to concentration camps.

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Blogger Resident Moron™ June 06, 2018 5:34 AM  

Doesn’t the Statue of Liberty poem trump all those?

Blogger Harambe June 06, 2018 5:56 AM  

YOU CAN'T HANDLE MY STRONGLY WORDED LETTER TO THE EDITOR

Blogger Shimshon June 06, 2018 5:58 AM  

I love the smell of face-palming in the morning.

Blogger Fenris Wulf June 06, 2018 5:59 AM  

Believes only police should have guns. An ardent fan obliges him by sending police with guns to his house. I don't see the problem here.

Blogger APL June 06, 2018 6:03 AM  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44373028

"Student gun-control activist David Hogg has been the victim of a prank call that saw armed police raid his Florida home.

David, who is out of the state, called the incident "a distraction".

Don't ya just love the way the BBC is on first name terms with a student activist who's activities the BBC approves.

"David has become a leader of a youth-led movement for gun control "

So good chance he's not a student any more?

Blogger Othello June 06, 2018 6:09 AM  

With all due respect Vox, how does a citizen fight the police state in this day and age? Police are trained to use force to overcome resistance. Outside of court, resisting the police is unlawful. Jesus broke no law in his day and tweeting about refreshing the tree of liberty with blood is probable cause to take people’s guns away these days.

Blogger Cleveland Screamer June 06, 2018 6:10 AM  

80% chance he did it to himself for attention/sympathy.

Blogger Lazarus June 06, 2018 6:13 AM  

Hogg explains

Blogger Teleros June 06, 2018 6:14 AM  

Othello wrote:With all due respect Vox, how does a citizen fight the police state in this day and age?

By understanding 4th Generation War, and the moral, mental, and physical levels of war. A violent confrontation with the police... you will probably lose unless you've got plenty of prep time & friends, but though you lose on the physical level, you may win on the moral level.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 6:17 AM  

With all due respect Vox, how does a citizen fight the police state in this day and age?

If you can't figure it out with the massive quantity of literature on the subject that is available, to say nothing of the recent historical examples everywhere from Latin America to the Middle East, I suggest you simply surrender and declare your love for Big Brother.

Jesus broke the Sabbath law of the Jews, just to name one. I'm pretty sure he broke a few laws when he physically attacked the moneychangers in the temple too.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 06, 2018 6:18 AM  

"80% chance he did it to himself for attention/sympathy."

Agreed. And I would not doubt that the deep state helped him plan it.

This looks like a false flag to make the right look bad. The left lives for opportunities to make right wingers look bad. After all, fear of looking bad has neutralized "Conservative, Inc."

Blogger tublecane June 06, 2018 6:18 AM  

I find it sad that SWAT is so trigger-happy that many people basically considered it attempted murderer to sic it on people.

I wouldn't mind if Hoggg were to be swarmed by violent thugs every time he speaks in public, as some rightists are. Depending on where they appear.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 06, 2018 6:34 AM  

I can see 'em all now, kneeling naked before the burial pit, all trembling lips and tear-streaked cheeks, but filled with pride that they died with their bowties unblemished.

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 6:34 AM  

You are wrong. Swatting David Hogg is a scurrilous act because innocent people might get hurt. People other than D. Hogg. Creating such a potentially violent incident could lead to friendly fire that injures or kills police officers doing their duty, or random passersby. This action is on the same moral level as arson. It is the act of a moral cretin, and is wholly contemptible.

As for my willingness to defend my right to the possession of firearms by any means necessary, please note that any potential lethal force on my part directed against officials of the state will only occur if those officials are acting contrary to the law. As long as they act within the law, I support the police.

That means when I summon them after seeing a suspicious dindu with a backpack sneaking around my house, and meet them in my front yard with my holstered Glock, they help me look for the miscreant, and take my ordnance for granted. (Yes, this really happened a few years ago.)

Perhaps you are a bit out of touch, sir--you should return to the United States for a while. If you think that our local police forces will cooperate if they are given an illegal order to confiscate guns on a wholesale basis, then you are mistaken. Of course, there are always quislings, many of our police are not up to standards; they will have brought their fate upon their own heads.

You may be interested to know that I have in my possession an email from my County Sheriff that states he would not participate in any gun confiscation; in fact, he states that he would oppose such a confiscation by force, if necessary. This email was written in reply to my query during the Hussein Administration when there was general anxiety that such confiscations might be ordered by that regime.

Meanwhile, I'm ordering parts for my new AR. I already have one, of course--but the more of these excellent guns we have the better. What's the current price of an AR lower in Italy? I paid $85 for mine in Texas last week...and everything else can be bought without paperwork with cash. Hmm. Can one do that in Italy?

I suggest that owning guns allows one to set a limit to the powers of the state. If the state should turn oppressive, I will just have to insist that they are wrong. I think there are enough people like me to make the necessary difference.

[Pardon the weird ID; still trying to get my fake Google account set up. Formerly d.b.a. "Sidehill Dodger"]

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 6:38 AM  

Ah, the ID did work. Getting a truly fake Google ID took some work...

Formerly d.b.a. as "Sidehill Dodger"

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2018 6:40 AM  

@14

"You are wrong. Swatting David Hogg is a scurrilous act because innocent people might get hurt. People other than D. Hogg."

Oh, you mean the parents who produced this walking sack of feces???

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2018 6:41 AM  

@14

" This action is on the same moral level as arson. It is the act of a moral cretin, and is wholly contemptible. "

Some buildings SHOULD be burned down, for the benefit of society. WITH THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE.

Blogger Teleros June 06, 2018 6:43 AM  

Florian Geyer wrote:As for my willingness to defend my right to the possession of firearms by any means necessary, please note that any potential lethal force on my part directed against officials of the state will only occur if those officials are acting contrary to the law. As long as they act within the law, I support the police.

And if the law says you have to turn in your firearms...?

You may be interested to know that I have in my possession an email from my County Sheriff that states he would not participate in any gun confiscation; in fact, he states that he would oppose such a confiscation by force, if necessary.

1. Still just words.
2. Let's suppose the sheriff means what he says. This was sent via email, as you said. So now the NSA has that email. So, some period of time before any gun confiscation, your sheriff is arrested on trumped up charges and a more Deep State compliant type replaces him. Or his suicidal thoughts get to him and he shoots himself twice in the back of the head, unable to stand it any more. You get the idea.
3. Finally, let's not forget all the other ways particular sheriffs can be sidestepped or hoodwinked.

Blogger Sillon Bono June 06, 2018 6:43 AM  

In the end the vast majority of conservatives are nothing but virtue signaling drones.

Blogger Phillip George June 06, 2018 6:44 AM  

false flag alert.
The photo of Sheriff Israel with Killary....

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dETCvo4v1mc/WpO3oOEACQI/AAAAAAAA9u4/IC0vsq0GLpEnlPiXeuwh9mp4uUbvIXCRwCLcBGAs/s1600/ca9.PNG

It's only mere coincidence his deputies were in stand down order on the day of multiple drills held when someone was walking harmlessly down a corridor alongside the self confessed while listening to gunfire elsewhere...

Can't happen in real life... cannot happen.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 06, 2018 6:47 AM  

@ Vox Day

Vox, I hope you see this:

"Goin’ Ape Over Racism!" by David Cole in Taki's magazine.

There are so many antidotes from over the years, and it is really funny. The Google problem with their AI and the label "gorilla" by itself is worth reading the article. Anyway, if you get time.

http://takimag.com/article/goin_ape_over_racism_david_cole/print#axzz5HZQssSk1

Blogger Fenris Wulf June 06, 2018 6:47 AM  

Every time somebody gets charged with manslaughter for swatting, the authorities are tacitly admitting that the police are murderers. Win-win.

Blogger tz June 06, 2018 6:48 AM  

Such is obvious.
Even the less cucked.
I've noted the example of Scott Roeder who killed George Tiller that literally had the blood of 20,000 innocents on his hands - killed at his church. Osama just issued Fatwas.
Meawhile they had their blood porn of "24" and were making excuses for Abu Gharib torture

Put simply, if Al Queda, ISIS, the Taliban, or Assad doesn't want the USA to bomb some place, they just need to scrawl a sign or write on the roof "Aborshun Klinik" because even the most bloodthirsty neocon will condemn bombing of abortion clinics.

They are and will do similar on guns. If they don't stand up or speak out "when they came for the unborn" there won't be any to speak out when they come for guns.

Blogger pdwalker June 06, 2018 6:49 AM  

@7 Cleveland Screamer wrote:80% chance he did it to himself for attention/sympathy.

I was thinking 99% myself, but only because I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Anything to stay "relevant"

Blogger tz June 06, 2018 6:52 AM  

Doxxing should make someone on the left - even someone who endorses it - fair game. Like that reporter at the HuffPo. Or those cheering they have Scott Pruitt's OK address.

It is simply an escalation of the left's belligerence and cultural warfare. Here is another case where we cannot unilaterally disarm.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 6:53 AM  

You are wrong. Swatting David Hogg is a scurrilous act because innocent people might get hurt.

So what? Innocent people get hurt almost every time the US military drops a bomb. If the mere possibility of someone innocent getting hurt is reason for inaction, you should never drive your car.

If the police weren't out of control, no one would bother SWATting anyone. That's the actual problem here.

As for my willingness to defend my right to the possession of firearms by any means necessary, please note that any potential lethal force on my part directed against officials of the state will only occur if those officials are acting contrary to the law. As long as they act within the law, I support the police.

Like I said, good conservatives will go like sheep to the concentration camps, so long as the Conservative Roundup Act of 2025 is correctly passed and signed into law.

Blogger James Dixon June 06, 2018 6:54 AM  

> Let me make a prediction: if anyone does violently resist having their guns forcibly confiscated, conservatives will be the very first to denounce that resistance.

Conservatives as defined by the GOPe? Of course.

> Conservatives simply don't have the backbone to fight for anything.

See above. The party leadership didn't even want Trump and both fought and are fighting him tooth and nail. The people are another matter.

> 80% chance he did it to himself for attention/sympathy.

Only 80%?

> This action is on the same moral level as arson. It is the act of a moral cretin, and is wholly contemptible.

And yet the left does it all the time with nary a word of complaint from "conservatives".

> As long as they act within the law, I support the police.

So if the Dem's ever take over Congress and push through a gun confiscation bill that the Supreme Court signs off on, you'll give your guns to the police willingly? That will be the law you know.

> If you think that our local police forces will cooperate if they are given an illegal order to confiscate guns on a wholesale basis, then you are mistaken.

That depends entirely on the area and the police involved.

> You may be interested to know that I have in my possession an email from my County Sheriff that states he would not participate in any gun confiscation; in fact, he states that he would oppose such a confiscation by force, if necessary.

And when a new sheriff is elected who changes that policy?

> I think there are enough people like me to make the necessary difference.

I hope you're right. I know there are areas where you are. I live in one. But that may not be enough.

> [Pardon the weird ID; still trying to get my fake Google account set up. Formerly d.b.a. "Sidehill Dodger"]

It used to be that you could tell Google to use any display name you wanted. I don't know if that's still the case or not.

Blogger Michael Maier June 06, 2018 7:04 AM  

Cleveland Screamer wrote:80% chance he did it to himself for attention/sympathy.

My thoughts exactly. "A distraction?" Not the kind of reaction Piggie Boy has demonstrated in the past.

Blogger JACIII June 06, 2018 7:17 AM  

It's the quiet ones you have to look out for. I saw a shocking number of people during the Tea Party genesis who were typically apolitical and apathetic loosing their shit over some stuff I had placed under the category SSDD.

This occurred to the point where I had to caution some people more like minded to ilk that they didn't really want to be the tip of the spear until it had become evident the spear wasn't actually being aimed at them through the usual "investigative" techniques.

That said, the population has changed since then but 4GW shows the way. For more info, including some technical/tactically useful hunt up this: Unintended Consequences

Blogger EasyCompany June 06, 2018 7:22 AM  

How the hell does an FBI agent afford a house like that?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383515/9A113025-12FE-47C3-A901-682776B42BB7-566596.JPG

Blogger Sentient Spud June 06, 2018 7:24 AM  

Florian Geyer wrote:As for my willingness to defend my right to the possession of firearms by any means necessary, please note that any potential lethal force on my part directed against officials of the state will only occur if those officials are acting contrary to the law. As long as they act within the law, I support the police.



Conservatives are, at their core, robots. As long as whatever is being done to them is written in the correct format, they'll do whatever they are told.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) June 06, 2018 7:30 AM  

NWA was right

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 7:35 AM  

Sentient Spud wrote:Florian Geyer wrote:As for my willingness to defend my right to the possession of firearms by any means necessary, please note that any potential lethal force on my part directed against officials of the state will only occur if those officials are acting contrary to the law. As long as they act within the law, I support the police.



Conservatives are, at their core, robots. As long as whatever is being done to them is written in the correct format, they'll do whatever they are told.


Has it occurred to you that I might not be whatever the hell you think of as a "conservative"? I was merely expressing my opinion that "swatting" is wrong. Any law written to confiscate everyone's guns would not be written in the "correct form", I assure you. Many people who would describe themselves as "conservatives" will find themselves on the same side of the line as I when shove comes to shooting.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 06, 2018 7:36 AM  

Florian Geyer wrote:You are wrong. Swatting David Hogg is a scurrilous act because...

I could actually hear your bow tie ruffling.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 7:40 AM  

I was merely expressing my opinion that "swatting" is wrong.

No, you were also posturing, harrumphing, and straightening your bow tie. Don't insult everyone's intelligence.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 06, 2018 7:42 AM  

Thanks for this post. It brought clarity. Many of the people hollering about this swatting sat on their hands when Black Lives Matter and Antifa deployed violence to silence political opposition. Some of them gave tacit support to this violence.

Right now, I'm thinking Mitt Romney:
"No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes."

More to say but I'll stop here.

Anonymous Anonymous June 06, 2018 7:44 AM  

I knew we actual Americans were f**ked about 5 years ago. I was at a gun show and suddenly, against my will, this fat boomer started lecturing me how he’s “almost ready to shoot the bastards” because he remembers 12 million Jews getting gassed by the Nazis. Imagine this guy being 350+ lbs, sitting in his scooter (because he’s too fat to walk), sporting a “Don’t Tread on Me” T-shirt and bragging to me about his AR-15s.

Then suddenly this nerdy conservadad intervenes and starts lecturing the two of us about how “we need to project a positive image of lawful firearms owners” and how conservatives are supposed to be “classy.”

As I left both of these boomer clowns, they were taking turns quoting from Glenn Beck and muh Founding Fathers.

Blogger Sentient Spud June 06, 2018 7:51 AM  

Florian Geyer wrote:Many people who would describe themselves as "conservatives" will find themselves on the same side of the line as I when shove comes to shooting.

Exactly.

Blogger Stilicho June 06, 2018 7:53 AM  

Perhaps mommy wasn't forwarding enough of the Soros bucks to him while he was on the road bravely appearing on talk shows to discuss his protest of grocery stores and he "showed that bitch!"

Blogger Wynn Lloyd June 06, 2018 7:56 AM  

That girl seriously looked like a gorilla.
Some people look simian. It should be expected, given these leftists' zeal for Darwinian evolution, which links us closely with chimps. There are whites who look simian. Of course, there are a lot more blacks looking simian due to their prognathic jaws, large, flat, wide noses, and sloping foreheads. .
Of course, I say nothing new. No leftist will seek consistency to any degree. They're eternally irrational. It can't be helped other than ostracizing them.

Blogger Stilicho June 06, 2018 7:57 AM  

One of the reasons that Conservatives, Inc. rushes to the aid of Camera Hogg is that they identify strongly with a fellow crisis actor.

Blogger Gordon Scott June 06, 2018 8:00 AM  

It's a scurrilous act, and one doesn't do such things because of the potential for collateral damage. Writing "so what, there's always innocent casulties" does not allow for how becoming one of those casualties can devastate your life and that of your family.

Yeah, sure, the cops are out of control. They are pretty much everywhere. But unless your plan is to destroy the government by turning the people against it, by forcing an over-the-top crackdown on domestic terror, then swatting is vicious and cowardly.

This "we'll make the people hate the government" thing has been done before in pretty much every western democracy other than the Scandis. You do get the over-the-top police, but not the revolution. Whoopie.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 06, 2018 8:01 AM  

Police are trained ...

... less than hairdressers.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 06, 2018 8:11 AM  

@42 It's not a scurrilous act, it's a response to the growing violence that is frequently deployed by SJWs, nothing more.

Milo attempts to give a speech and the daughter of a college professor tries to sucker punch him.

Conservatives gather for a prayer rally and Antifa shows up and attacks.

Traditional Workers Party gathers lawfully and BAMN attacks under the guise of a protest while Sacramento cops passively observe.

There are so many more examples but the point is that an escalating violence is afoot and that violence is, more often than not, precipitated by SJWs.

Some enterprising individuals took initiative and swatted Hogg. While a part of me does not like this, another part of me thinks of how Hogg actively lies about Parkland in order to promote a phony narrative that undermines individual rights.

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 8:11 AM  

VD wrote:So what? Innocent people get hurt almost every time the US military drops a bomb. If the mere possibility of someone innocent getting hurt is reason for inaction, you should never drive your car.

If the police weren't out of control, no one would bother SWATting anyone. That's the actual problem here.


Whith regard to your first point, are you seriously suggesting, my generous host, that it's OK to engage in reckless malicious acts that endanger the lives of others just because the U.S. military does it? Are you suggesting that any random act of violence is OK just because our governments do the same thing? Surely not...though that is what your words seem to say.

I am sorry, but I must insist on a higher standard of morals than that exhibited by our government heretofore. I hope you will join me in this. The government's misdeeds do not excuse those of others.

Actions that might result in accidental death or injury, such as driving or using a chain saw to clear brush for a firebreak, do not come under the same heading as swatting and randomly bombing third world hovels. So I don't see what potential traffic accidents have to do with the discussion. We are talking about deliberately risking harm to persons in a malicious and irresponsible way, much like setting a house on fire to cause the owner trouble. I'm not sure if your remarks are intended as rhetoric or dialectic, but they fail at both.

With regard to your second point, you are correct. Many of our police forces are poorly trained and given to an unhealthy attraction by military toys; this frequently results in totally unnecessary bloodshed. Quite frankly, many of our police shoot people for the wrong reasons. We need more peace officers, and a lot fewer Rambos. These are issues that must be taken up by the local communities under which our police exist. The answer is to get involved in public policy at the community level.

[Formerly d.b.a as Sidehill Dodger]

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira June 06, 2018 8:14 AM  

Imagine using a stick to poke at conservatives through the barbed wire fence.

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 8:15 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Florian Geyer wrote:You are wrong. Swatting David Hogg is a scurrilous act because...

I could actually hear your bow tie ruffling.


I can hear the friction of your pantyhose as your thighs rub together. Careful, pantyhose friction is one of the leading causes of spontaneous human combustion...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 06, 2018 8:17 AM  

@45; your new screen name, and your new persona, seem gayer than the old Sidehill Dodger. I think the kiddies spell it ghey, by the way.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) June 06, 2018 8:18 AM  

A white society needs a few neighborhood patrolmen. A diverse society needs soldiercops.

1 You're wrong
2 You're an idiot

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2016/05/10/war-weapons-for-americas-local-police-departments/

Granite City, IL (pop. 29,375) received 25 M16 and M14 rifles (5.56mm and 7.62mm), plus a military-armored truck and a robot for ‘explosive ordinance disposal.’

Granite City is more than 90% white.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 06, 2018 8:21 AM  

Conservatives and their liberal masters are why we can't have nice things, like Christendom and Western Civilization.

Blogger Shimshon June 06, 2018 8:23 AM  

Only a bow-tie-donning cuck uses words like scurrilous. The tone policing is unbearable. Make it stop!

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) June 06, 2018 8:24 AM  

https://www.openthebooks.com/map/?Map=1&MapType=Heat&Zip=37055

Dickson TN has 15k people, is 88% white, and the police have a mine resistant vehicle.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 06, 2018 8:24 AM  

@49 Josh: want isn't need, especially when it comes to cool toys for Rambo wannabes. Granite City may be 90% White, but Granite City PD is 100% wannabes.

Blogger Peter Gent June 06, 2018 8:27 AM  

We have to remember that when Jesus broke the "law" such as Sabbath keeping and when he cleansed the Temple, he was answering to a higher law, that of his Father.

Similarly, when Peter was dragged before the Sanhedrin and told to stop preaching about Jesus (in other words do what the law told him to do) he said he answered to God not to them.

Swatting Hogg is not answering to God, and justifying it in any way is not answering to a higher law. It is a rationalization attempting to justify a wrong. When I took my handgun training at Front Site, one of the things they drilled into us was concern for innocent bystanders, who else was in our line of sight, and that it was our responsibility for where the bullets we fired went, even when we were under attack and in fear of our lives. When we pulled the trigger, we were responsible.

That said, discernment is not always easy and on the fly it can be downright treacherous.

Blogger insight June 06, 2018 8:28 AM  

"It should be expected, given these leftists' zeal for Darwinian evolution"

LefTARDS ie... white niggers are the least evolved of the white race and need expunging before they bring it down due to their sheer numbers which were held in check in the past. The very fact they cling to leftardism and are also white demonstrates how left to the IQ bell curve they are.

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 8:29 AM  

Shimshon wrote:Only a bow-tie-donning cuck uses words like scurrilous. The tone policing is unbearable. Make it stop!

OK, how about this: you're such a shit head that you should be planted upside down in an alfalfa field to spare the cost of fertilizer. Small words. Happy now?

Blogger John Regan June 06, 2018 8:30 AM  

Apparently they are lacking in chivalry:

"The Ten Commandments of the Medieval Code of Chivalry:

Thou shalt believe all that the Church teaches, and shalt observe all its directions.
Thou shalt defend the Church.
Thou shalt respect all weaknesses, and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
Thou shalt love the country in the which thou wast born.
Thou shalt not recoil before the enemy.
Thou shalt make war against the Infidel without cessation, and without mercy.
Thou shalt perform scrupulously thy feudal duties, if they be not contrary to the laws of God.
Thou shalt never lie, and shalt remain faithful to thy pledged word.
Thou shalt be generous, and give largesse to everyone.
Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and the Good against Injustice and Evil."

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 8:31 AM  

Damn, haven't been in a good flame war since the 90s. This is fun! Gotta go to bed now, so feel free to flay my unconscious soul.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) June 06, 2018 8:31 AM  

@49 Josh: want isn't need, especially when it comes to cool toys for Rambo wannabes. Granite City may be 90% White, but Granite City PD is 100% wannabes.

SIR, how dare you insult the fine warriors of granite city, who man the thin blue line and could literally die every morning they put on their badges given that they have the 14th deadliest job in America with a fatality rate that is less than half as deadly as... checks data... garbagemen. How dare you sir! I say good day!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 06, 2018 8:32 AM  


Swatting Hogg is not answering to God, and justifying it in any way is not answering to a higher law.


How do you know? I don't presume to know how God directs others to fight His enemies. The SWATer's heart was in the right place, in any event.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 8:37 AM  

Whith regard to your first point, are you seriously suggesting, my generous host, that it's OK to engage in reckless malicious acts that endanger the lives of others just because the U.S. military does it? Are you suggesting that any random act of violence is OK just because our governments do the same thing?

Who said anything about random, reckless, or malicious acts? My only problem with the reported SWATting is that it is stupid, pointless, and ineffective. It's literally nothing. To express an opinion on it, much less virtue-signal about it, demonstrates that you're not even close to being mentally prepared for the culture war going hot.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 8:37 AM  

I am upset that Hogg was swatted. Upset that he wasn't home.

Blogger Sentient Spud June 06, 2018 8:39 AM  

Florian Geyer wrote:I am sorry, but I must insist on a higher standard of morals than that exhibited by our government heretofore. I hope you will join me in this. The government's misdeeds do not excuse those of others.



I can see this guy back in the 1700s, clamoring on about the British Empire and how we must settle things in parliament like gentlemen.

"Sod off...or die." -- Founders to the Crown, 1776

"Let's talk about this." -- Conservatives, present day.

The masculine vs the feminine.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 8:40 AM  

Florian Gayer is a giant faggot.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 8:41 AM  

We have to remember that when Jesus broke the "law" such as Sabbath keeping and when he cleansed the Temple, he was answering to a higher law, that of his Father.

No, we don't. Why are you being dishonest by putting the word "law" in scare quotes. The law was very clear and Jesus clearly broke it. The claim was that Jesus never broke any laws. That claim was false and demonstrated to be false. He did break the law and he appears to have done so more than once.

Don't try to move the goalposts. The Bible makes it very clear that Jesus Christ was a breaker of human laws. Conservatives, of course, can't bear this because their definition of evil is based on lawbreaking, so they try to either deny this or excuse it.

Blogger Nate June 06, 2018 8:45 AM  

If someone had shot Hogg in the face... I would've facepalmed because it was a strategically stupid move. And I also would've thought "what did he think would happen?"

That said... Swatting should be classified as attempted murder and prosecuted as such and it should have mandatory sentencing that tacks on additional time vs not-swatting attempted murder.

Blogger FUBARwest June 06, 2018 8:46 AM  

I'm not too sure he did it himself. Hogg declared he wanted a meme war with pol/the alt right. This was just the start of it. Don't be surprised if things escalate. Remember what happened to Shia Lebuff and He Will Not Divide Us? Hogg is Shia 2.0.

Conservatives suck and with the announcement that Medicare is running out early in 2026 it's looking like Vox's prediction of collapse in 2030 or so is right on target. Conservatives are not going to be ready.

Blogger Cloudbuster June 06, 2018 8:46 AM  

The fact that so many think the SWATting was a false flag indicates that many here understand that the SWATting is likely to benefit Hogg. From that we can infer that SWATting enemies is not a good tactic, as it is more likely to generate sympathy for the target than to silence the target.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 8:47 AM  

Win win...he called it on himself and things just went haywire.

Blogger Nate June 06, 2018 8:48 AM  

I could very much see Swatting being used as the method that kicks off the shooting war here in the US. SJWs swat some guy like Bane... booby traps kill 4 or 5 cops... dude kills the rest of the swat team then bleeds out himself. Cops over-react... gun guys over-react... and it all goes to shit.

Blogger Nate June 06, 2018 8:53 AM  

"the SWATting is likely to benefit Hogg."

correct. swatting Hogg is a bad idea for the same reason blowing up an abortion clinic is a bad idea. strategically it will help them... not hurt them.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 8:55 AM  

This is true. Except if he called it in himself to gain sympathy, still gets killed, then the cops trace the call back to him.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 06, 2018 8:56 AM  

@66: our Brave Boys in Blue are murderous thugs, then? I'm shocked that you would suggest that! @70: it all went to shit long ago. The shit is getting more obvious, and we are getting less interested in living in it.

Blogger Daniel June 06, 2018 8:56 AM  

...and false flag SWATTING a Federal Agent's son should be punished by sentencing to another 12 years of public school and unpaid community service as an anti-gun philosopher.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 06, 2018 8:59 AM  

Florian Geyer wrote:Cataline Sergius wrote:Florian Geyer wrote:You are wrong. Swatting David Hogg is a scurrilous act because...

I could actually hear your bow tie ruffling.


I can hear the friction of your pantyhose as your thighs rub together...


And now you're fantasizing about me wearing pantyhose?

What a true Friend of Buckley you are!

Blogger James Dixon June 06, 2018 9:00 AM  

> Writing "so what, there's always innocent casulties" does not allow for how becoming one of those casualties can devastate your life and that of your family.

I thought David Hogg's life had already been devastated? Isn't that the whole basis for their using him as a poster boy?

> Whith regard to your first point, are you seriously suggesting, my generous host, that it's OK to engage in reckless malicious acts that endanger the lives of others just because the U.S. military does it?

If it's not, why does our military do it? It's not like we're at war where such things might be called for.

> ...and justifying it in any way is not answering to a higher law.

"Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."

Yes, that law was superceded, but it was not revoked.

> I am upset that Hogg was swatted. Upset that he wasn't home.

Yes. Strange that, isn't it? One would think someone who was good enough to pull of a swatting would also have arranged for the victim to be present, wouldn't one?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 06, 2018 9:02 AM  

This Swatting took place in Broward County.

How much danger was the kid ever in?

"Dad, the Sheriff's Department has been setting up a perimeter around our house for five hours now. What's up with that?"

Blogger Peter Gent June 06, 2018 9:06 AM  

VD wrote:We have to remember that when Jesus broke the "law" such as Sabbath keeping and when he cleansed the Temple, he was answering to a higher law, that of his Father.

No, we don't. Why are you being dishonest by putting the word "law" in scare quotes. The law was very clear and Jesus clearly broke it. The claim was that Jesus never broke any laws. That claim was false and demonstrated to be false. He did break the law and he appears to have done so more than once.

Don't try to move the goalposts. The Bible makes it very clear that Jesus Christ was a breaker of human laws. Conservatives, of course, can't bear this because their definition of evil is based on lawbreaking, so they try to either deny this or excuse it.

I put the word law in quotes because the law that Jesus broke was not God’s law but the construction of the Pharisees (man’s law). He specifically answered their accusation of breaking the Sabbath law with “Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?” (Matt 15:3) He broke the improper implementation of the law by the Pharisees to follow the higher law of his Father, which negated the law of the Pharisees, as God’s law always comes before man’s law, as Peter later demonstrated.
I am not moving the goal posts, but trying to determine where they should stand, which from my perspective is set by God himself. Hence, it is right to obey all laws that do not contradict the law of God. Yes, Jesus broke human laws, but only when they contradicted his Father’s law. He paid the Temple tax for himself and Peter even though he did not have to. We are called to do likewise. That me we have to make difficult choices and that takes discernment. That is my argument. Swatting Hogg was breaking human law with no law of God that I can discern to justify breaking it.
It’s pretty simple, straightforward, and consistent.

Blogger Peter Gent June 06, 2018 9:09 AM  

That means we have to make difficult choices...

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 9:11 AM  

I am not moving the goal posts, but trying to determine where they should stand, which from my perspective is set by God himself.

You absolutely moved the goal posts. First, you were not even involved in the discussion, so you cannot claim to set the scope of it. Second, the claim was not that Jesus Christ never violated the Will of His Father, it was that, and I quote, "Jesus broke no law in his day."

That is absolutely and completely false. He did break the laws of the Jews in his day, which was one reason they hated him.

Your perspective is irrelevant, your justifications are irrelevant, and your claims are either observably false or irrelevant.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 9:13 AM  

I put the word law in quotes because the law that Jesus broke was not God’s law but the construction of the Pharisees (man’s law).

That is an act of deception. It doesn't matter what law he broke, it was a law. Again, stop trying to change the subject, particularly of a conversation that you did not start and the limits of which you cannot define.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 9:15 AM  

Vox, Peter Gent's Bowtie Alert System went off. He had to respond.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 9:24 AM  

We all know Hogg did it himself. He will be exposed as SWATTing himself.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/06/06/david-hoggs-reaction-to-s-w-a-t-incident-at-his-home-is-a-big-red-flag-641769?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=BPR%20Email&utm_campaign=DMS

Blogger HoosierHillbilly June 06, 2018 9:26 AM  

That...Denunciation!... by Florian has got to be trolling. Who talks like that in a combox?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 9:29 AM  

If it's not trolling, it's cuck!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 9:33 AM  

You're a faggot

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 9:45 AM  

Peter, you are the result of Jordanetics' Prime Directive .

Clean your room first! Don't do anything before you clean your room! Have to be perfect!

I will fight vigorously, but only under the right conditions the perfect conditions!

Blogger James Pyrich June 06, 2018 9:55 AM  

Bowties!

Not even once.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 10:09 AM  

A wounded dog howls when you poke it, Peter Gent.

Blogger FUBARwest June 06, 2018 10:09 AM  

Are you telling me Florian Geyer is not a troll? He said he was making a fake name and his post was obviously a troll post. Nobody can seriously believe that.

Jesus broke human laws. It doesn't matter why. The claim was he did not. Isn't this philosophy 101? Law is not morality? Come on guy. You can't read this blog and think that what you said was going to fly.

Blogger tuberman June 06, 2018 10:10 AM  

Hogg is much less than a pawn, as he is a sub-pawn wantabee. He's also a distraction, so no attention should be paid to such scum, unless it gets to cleanup time, and it's a long way from that. Yet, anyone who even vaguely suggests he's an innocent is another enemy of Western Civilization.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 06, 2018 10:11 AM  

80% chance High did it, 19% chance it was Sinead Guevara.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 10:12 AM  

You're a liar, Peter Gent. Go away. You're not permitted to comment here now. I do not permit liars and deceivers to comment here.

Blogger VD June 06, 2018 10:15 AM  

Everything I said is relevant and your response appears not to comprehend the argument I made, or if you do you are avoiding it. Yes Jesus broke the law of the Jews of his day but ONLY where it violated his Father's law and as such those laws (traditions he called them) were made invalid.

Everything you said was either irrelevant or a lie. You cannot transform an observably false claim into a true claim by arguing that the falsehood is justified.

You're done here.

Blogger Othello June 06, 2018 10:21 AM  

Cutting the arresting officers ear off wasn’t striking at Christ’s political enemies. His enemies controlled the religious court and swayed Roman authority to order the death sentence. The same sentiment isn’t so far fetched today as the God Emperor tries to save America. Don’t see swamp rats swinging for treason, yet. Which is very unsatisfying. But the greater sinners are those who send professional boots that follow their orders John 19:11.

I’m not advocating going Ghandi, just wondering what more can an armed citizen do right now other than vote, protect the family, support stuff like Alt Hero and pray for open season on the enemy when the lights get turned off?

Thanks Vox,

Blogger freddie_mac June 06, 2018 10:29 AM  

@45 Florian Geyser
I am sorry, but I must insist on a higher standard of morals than that exhibited by our government heretofore. I hope you will join me in this.

So, we should use Queensbury Rules while the side uses Rules for Radicals? Yeah, that's really balanced.

The problem is that many conservatives are still playing nice, following the rules, while the lib/prog element has thrown out anything that might even look like rules. Conservatives can cling to their rules and get run over, or decide that this is a time to fight dirty and fight for their beliefs.

Blogger eyeslevel June 06, 2018 10:38 AM  

The bourgeoisie follow who's in power. After we've won the propaganda war and are in power, they'll follow us.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 06, 2018 10:41 AM  

When conservatives have been shipped off to camps at least we won't have to worry about them shooting us in the back anymore.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 06, 2018 10:47 AM  

"How much danger was the kid ever in?"

It's his dog that should have been worried.

Blogger tuberman June 06, 2018 10:51 AM  

97. eyeslevel

The good thing is that there were only 3% of the people during the 1776 Revolution that were fully aware. I think it is over 10% today, but that will not be allowed to show until the time is ripe.

When things rolled over, that 3% OF INTENSE PATRIOTS brought a good part of the country along, and that's the way it always works.

Blogger Brad Matthews June 06, 2018 10:53 AM  

20 min away, it's also a small town speed trap

Blogger Frank Brady June 06, 2018 11:12 AM  

Florian Geyer wrote:
As for my willingness to defend my right to the possession of firearms by any means necessary, please note that any potential lethal force on my part directed against officials of the state will only occur if those officials are acting contrary to the law. As long as they act within the law, I support the police.
=================================================================

Hitler's enforcers followed Nazi law to the letter. Apparently that makes their actions acceptable to you?

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey June 06, 2018 11:15 AM  

In 1933 newly sworn-in FDR confiscated Americans' gold. Via executive order, no less. Americans had to hand over their gold for a price of around $21 per ounce. The next year, after the government had taken all of the gold, it raised the price to $35 per ounce. Pretty sweet profit, eh?

Americans dutifully handed over all their gold, got screwed, and re-elected FDR in a landslide.

So yeah, I really doubt the Molon Labe folks are going to do much different when push comes to shove. Talk is cheap, and the record Americans have of resisting the Feds is slim-pickings post 1865.

I would, however, dearly love to be proved wrong on this. And I hope the test never comes.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz June 06, 2018 11:23 AM  

The point of the guns is to defend other liberties, not the guns. It seems no amount of tyranny will be enough to get them to fight. The government has already steamrolled over most of our so-called rights.
The government can march them right into the showers as long as they can take their guns with them!

Blogger Sentient Spud June 06, 2018 11:28 AM  

Frank Brady wrote:Hitler's enforcers followed Nazi law to the letter. Apparently that makes their actions acceptable to you?

Well, you see, Hitler's law was in contradiction of God's law, so they weren't really following the law.

^ That's what he's going to say.

Blogger Duh-ave June 06, 2018 11:31 AM  

Talk is cheap? Maybe so. Talk is stupid! Violent people will enjoy being violent. Normal people will content themselves with being prepared to do what they can if the time comes. It is the times that will dictate the actions and faith that gives these actions success. Talk against faith is just as cheap as talk against bravado and a lot more stupid.

Blogger Gen. Kong June 06, 2018 11:42 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:
This Swatting took place in Broward County.

How much danger was the kid ever in?

"Dad, the Sheriff's Department has been setting up a perimeter around our house for five hours now. What's up with that?"


Zero (he wasn't there) and likewise the criminals who spawned the vile creature. Folks keep on missing this important detail. The badge-gang goondas who work for Soros employee (((Scott Israel))), who has numerous connections to the Clinton famiglia and the Body-Snatcher overlords, never posed a threat to their fellow SJW comrades like the Hogg Pen, which is quite a palace for a government employee at that level. One of the deputies of this utterly corrupt county police dept. who expressed some misgivings about the Parkland operation died not long after expressing his opinion. It was not death in the Arkansas manner of suicide by five shots to the back of the head, but a nice 'heart-attack'. The Hogg Pen was never in any danger at all. The whole thing reeks of false-flag.

Blogger John Elvidge June 06, 2018 11:43 AM  

With a major party presidential candidate openly associating with a person who defended the policies of Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot I'm afraid VD is correct. Most talk a good game but when the actual time comes to risk everything, different story. All it takes is a few good men to rally the rest to do the right thing or vis versa. Think Valley Forge or 1776 and what was at stake for those who defied the Crown. If you value your life more than the future of your posterity, than the real decision has already been made.

Blogger justaguy June 06, 2018 11:45 AM  

This set of comments is a great example of why 4th generation warfare is a currently myth for the United States and quite likely for much of Europe: Is there any indication from anything above that a meaningful % of the population is ready to go to war? By meaningful something over 7% with the ability to grow into a larger %. For 4th generation to work, there has to be a large % of the population with you or at least a secure place with a large % of the population that agrees.

FWIW I do not know where the 3% number above comes from... but remember it took years of agitation to get a sizable % in the colonial era. Now with a very statist press cooperating with the overlords, how does a freedom message actually convince the population at large? Most media, whether social, internet or MSM is solidly giving the statist line. Only a few small outlets are preaching freedom. So unlike the revolutionary era where pamphlets and newspapers preaching freedom received wide-spread coverage, in today’s land of 300+million, most outlets that are anti-statist reach relatively few, and any that preach resistance are miniscule. The message has to be spread to get to anyone and then it has to drown out the pro-statist, pro-safety message that is blasting out everywhere.

If the majority of the population isn't with any idea of armed revolution. Moreover, in today's environment with modern technology, it is easy to isolate a few discontents. Drone strikes in isolated areas are easy. SWAT against isolated terrorists happen all the time and no one notices. A movement needs to be a movement to a large number of people. There has not been any inciting event and likely will not be.

Now while some hypotheticals have the statists acting as idiots and angering the population, so far that hasn't happened. There has been some overreach- but remember 112K votes in three states out of over 100 million kept HRH Hillary from picking the last SC position as the new president.

Small incremental steps have been used before to slowly dissuade a population from revolt while it has been taken over. Remember "assault weapons" were banned before and could easily be banned again. I would bet that the majority of police would support this "lawful ban" and depending on the SC composition the courts would uphold it. What is done now openly by the democratic party was unthinkable a generation ago, so maybe the statist slow down where they were tasting victory. Who knows. Who would have thought that an openly communist person would be in charge of our intelligence agencies?

There are many “theories of revolution” and most have some good points. There used to be serious study of the different theories and application of them to various successful and unsuccessful revolutions. I am not sure that anywhere actually studies this seriously anymore. The resistance to the statist revolution doesn’t seem to be using any of the theories with any coherence, but instead seems to be relying on divine providence and man of the moment. We certainly don’t have much in the way of mainstream intelligentsia working against the statist—the conservative movement was corrupted years ago and does not admit to having any ideas to oppose the statist- just nitpicking at the statist initiative and ideas.

Blogger justaguy June 06, 2018 11:49 AM  

I didn’t add above that at least VD is trying to put into place some sort of framework for resistance, but it is currently only reaching a small number. The “fighting social justice” avenue seems like a great idea to reach a greater audience without disclosing all of the ideas being proposed. But large numbers are needed for anything remotely akin to resistance.

Blogger Gen. Kong June 06, 2018 12:06 PM  

Cloudbuster wrote:
The fact that so many think the SWATting was a false flag indicates that many here understand that the SWATting is likely to benefit Hogg. From that we can infer that SWATting enemies is not a good tactic, as it is more likely to generate sympathy for the target than to silence the target.

Yes, you're basically correct. It works to our enemies' advantage because they still control the narrative. When things really go hot (after the pensions are looted and the paychecks stop) the badge-gang goondas will likely go feral in most cases and do much of the wet work against their former masters - which include academics, lawyers and journos - along with killing one another over the booty. The masters tend to be soft targets with plenty of booty to carry off, so those not smart or wealthy enough to slither away with the Elders of Wye to China will be left to deal with the wrath of their former goons. They'll deserve every single gang-rape and bullet too, many times over.

Blogger Patrick Kelly June 06, 2018 12:07 PM  

There is not going to be any coordinated nation wide revolution or resistance in the USA that defeats the military and overthrows the government.

What is likely to happen is that the weight of unintended consequences and chickens coming home will cause decay, leaving power vacuums to be filled by the prepared and motivated. I am neither, hopefully I can be of use to those who are so they are not inclined to throw me to the dogs.

Maybe there's an opportunity for me to die an honorable death along the way. That's the best I have any hope for now. Everything else I valued or had any fks for regarding "America" has not existed for some time now. But I have no illusions being some bad-ass ubber ninja slaying the infidels and marching to victory in DC.

Blogger Jack Amok June 06, 2018 12:12 PM  

1) Of course Camera Hogg swatted himself. He hadn't been in the news for a few weeks.

2) Of course he wasn't in any personal danger, he made sure he was out of town when it happened (BTW, it's early June - shouldn't he be in school? Oh, right, he only plays a High School student).

3) Cuckservatives, true to form, attack the theoretical (remember Hogg staged this himself) ally who is fighting back against their supposed enemy.

4) Cuckservatives, also true to form, would rather complain about something they have no control over (people calling in swatting attempts) instead of something they could have control over (over-militarized, reckless police departments and policies).

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 06, 2018 1:19 PM  

Oh yeah, buddy? Did you peep what those wonderful law enforcement officers did at Charlottesville? Or, Berkeley? Or, maybe you don't think those "odious" people deserved protection, so go to the YouTube channel of the Iconoclast, and watch how the Portland police stood by watching old white people, a mentally ill guy, and various "based" brown folks in MAGA hats were beaten by Antifa, refused entry to the public park, and then pushed out by the police, right into the waiting Antifa. Hmmm, that story sounds strangely familiar, like I heard the same thing last August 13th...yet, this was on the complete opposite coast.
It's *almost* like the cops aren't going to save you, bud.
There's too much diversity & leftist diversity training drilled into their smol brains.
Must happen when the Israel JIDF trains them. Wot? You weren't aware our cops are being trained by the JIDF?

I'm going out in a hail of bullets, if they come for my guns. I don't give a hoot about papers, new or old.

Besides, I don't care if there would've been "innocent people" getting hurt. Who in that household is innocent?
Maybe the Squatemalan maid?
Whatever, dude.
I don't think people should do it, but I'm not going to cry over it.

Blogger James Dixon June 06, 2018 1:25 PM  

> Is there any indication from anything above that a meaningful % of the population is ready to go to war?

Have you looked at the figures for mysterious fires at immigrant housing in European countries lately? That's how these things start. The US hasn't had anything similar. At least not yet.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 06, 2018 1:27 PM  

P.S. If I has the power to bulldoze or burn to the ground 99% of the institutions in America, it would've been done years ago.
First to go would be every daycare on up through to universities, second would be mega churches.
Your brain just isn't in gear yet, or you're in denial, we are in a war.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 06, 2018 1:53 PM  

Let me explain a reality to you-I live in a small pocket of middle-upper middle class whites (for now, quickly changing & I'm bugging out), with a "small town, Southern "Christian" feel.
The local police are all white, my area went about 90% for Trump, and my neighborhood has ONE black family, much to the chagrin of most of the neighborhood.
Now, these aren't "hood" blacks, the home prices are way too far out of their reach.
One of the boys, (young college aged man, I should say), got on drugs, broke into a couple of our houses, and I caught him right after he pawned my $15,000 engagement ring for $200.
He sat in my garage and admitted it, (as I may, or may not have been holding a .38, this is just a hypothetical, of course), and my nice, white local policemen came, took a report, and...did nothing. The detective left me with a business card, and I tried for weeks to get in touch with him, and finally had to contact the Sheriff. They told me they didn't know what happened, there must have been insufficient evidence to arrest him, and blew me off. I filed a complaint. Nothing happened. I contacted an attorney, nothing happened.
I never got my ring back, the "kid" ghosted and moved to wherever and I had to pay an attorney's fee.
Basically, the same thing occurred with my neighbors, but they lost some smaller items and are senior citizens who didn't push things to the point I did.
Please be clear, there was absolutely no way that this was investigated, AT ALL, as they never went to the kid's home.
I know this, because his non-theiving sister admitted it to me.
By the way, if you own a home, be specific on the dollar amount of your goods, and very clear on exactly what items are covered under your home owner's policy.
I only recouped $2,500.
The law is not on your side any longer if you are white. Get that through your head.

Blogger FP June 06, 2018 2:11 PM  

"Like I said, good conservatives will go like sheep to the concentration camps, so long as the Conservative Roundup Act of 2025 is correctly passed and signed into law."

Prime example being Glen Beck. Beck's downfall or loss of his audience didn't start with his NeverTrumper stance (he apparently recently donned a MAGA hat on air in desperation) but with his stance of peace above all with the Bundy ranch standoff.

On air, Beck stated that anyone who supports those daring to point guns at government agents are not his friends or supporters and to not watch his shows, listen to his radio or read his website. He then went on a rant about MLK and Ghandi being the only way to fight the left. And now we know thanks to whistle blowers that the FBI and BLM had snipers there first ready to shoot the Bundys and then their supporters at the ranch.

As for swatting, it might be the police that started this problem, when they thought they should go in guns blazing for every little thing. Gotta go home safe at the end of their shift doncha know.

Another little child burned by a flash bang grenade during a drug bust. Er, sorry they are now called "flash-distraction devices".

http://www.wric.com/news/national/toddler-burned-during-swat-team-raid-in-florida/1213338900

Blogger Feather Blade June 06, 2018 3:18 PM  

Daniel wrote:...and false flag SWATTING a Federal Agent's son should be punished by sentencing to another 12 years of public school and unpaid community service as an anti-gun philosopher.

A quick execution would be a kinder fate. /sarcnotsarc

Blogger Hammerli280 June 06, 2018 3:54 PM  

Conservatives, by definition, have a lot of mental inertia. And strongly prefer a degree of legitimacy in their actions. Note that both the Founding Fathers and the leaders of the Confederacy were representatives of legitimate Colonial or State governments.

Blogger Lovekraft June 06, 2018 4:27 PM  

The groups involved are:

1. the new brown immigrant masses, hungry, envious and ready for the call.
2. the lower/middle class westerners who know something is brewing and are slowly getting anxious. Things just aren't working right and they have lost faith that government has their best interests at heart.
3. the moderately rich, like the Hoggs (evidently, looking at that photo of their home). They are able to curry favor/suck up to the police, they are also many of the state autocrats.
4. the wealthy. They have or are in the process of developing air-tight escape plans (as a commenter above mentioned - Wye elders to China)

Lastly, are the foreign/shadow groups who could fit into the above categories.

It seems to be a game of who keeps their cool so that they get to be around after the dust settles.

The alt-right's role in this game is, partly, to ensure the blame isn't wrongly attached (why we hate political correctness, cultural marxism, dual-citizenship traitors, opportunistic political hacks etc).

Blogger Rhys June 06, 2018 4:44 PM  

I'm glad this happened to him. Partially because he's a complete tool, and partially because this proves authorities are by no means the only ones who should be allowed to have guns, as they cannot be trusted.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 06, 2018 4:45 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:You're a faggot
No, he's GIANT faggot.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 5:02 PM  

I didn't want to assume his weight

Blogger Florian Geyer June 06, 2018 7:04 PM  

It's a new morning, though it took half an hour to get my bow tie just right. Reading all this over with a fresh mind, I realize I made some pretty fundamental mistakes: Vox's post wasn't so much an endorsement of swatting people we don't like as a condemnation of "conservatives". In fact, Vox only endorsed swatting implicitly, if at all--it was a side issue. I apologize for the quick trigger. So to speak.

To be clear, I don't think that any "conservative" politician since Barry Goldwater would call me a "conservative". I believe, as did Barry, that "extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice".

I do stand by every word I said about swatting being unethical and analogous to arson. It is not direct violence where you commit yourself against your enemy, it is indirect, cowardly violence where you don't care who gets hurt. Those of you who endorse it as a legitimate tactic are cowardly fools.

As for my new "handle", I'm wondering whether Giant Faggot wouldn't have more pungency. There are a lot of intelligent people here (which is why I pay attention to this blog), but those who resort to name calling aren't among them. So why not pre-empt?

Well, for now, I'll stick to Florian, even though nobody but me knows or cares who he was. [Formerly d.b.a. "Sidehill Dodger"]

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 06, 2018 7:08 PM  

My IQ is better than yours, Flowery Gayer.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2018 9:51 PM  

@45

"Actions that might result in accidental death or injury, such as driving or using a chain saw to clear brush for a firebreak, do not come under the same heading as swatting and randomly bombing third world hovels."


Was Hiroshima a 3rd-world hovel?

As I recall, Hiroshima was specifically selected because it had only been bombed once, very early in the world, and all the damage had been repaired.

How about Dresden, without a single military target within it, and had never been bombed (but as Kurt Vonnegut would attest, contained several POW camps)... was Dresden a 3rd-world Hovel when it was fire-bombed into obliteration in one night?

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2018 9:58 PM  

@58

"Damn, haven't been in a good flame war since the 90s. This is fun! Gotta go to bed now, so feel free to flay my unconscious soul."

Throwing matches at someone's feet is not a flame war.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 06, 2018 10:13 PM  

@71

>> "the SWATting is likely to benefit Hogg."

> correct. swatting Hogg is a bad idea for the same reason blowing up an abortion clinic is a bad idea. strategically it will help them... not hurt them.


One Abortion-Mill/Baby-parts-store blowing up is an atrocity.

100 Abortion-Mill/Baby-parts-stores blowing up is a good start, and an unmistakeable message that this shit won't be tolerated any more.

Blogger Technomad June 06, 2018 10:35 PM  

Speaking for myself, if they ever did come for my guns (or anything else) I rather think there'd be enough advance warning for me to come up with a real good hiding place.

"So when Federal Clause came
With his warrant and sleigh
To swipe all the goodies
Before came The Day
He found only doilies
And sweetness and light
And left the troops smiling
And ready to fight."

--a poem I saw, years ago, in a survivalist magazine. This is just the end stanza.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 06, 2018 11:55 PM  

It need not be an example of war. You know the fruits of the conservatives by how they act in peace : all that begging and pleading for the leftists to stop doing what they do, as if they didn't know they were doing harm . Oh but they do know. And they are doing it on purpose. Surely the conservatives would know this? Unless they are pretending they don't.

Blogger tublecane June 07, 2018 1:18 AM  

I endorse neither Hiroshima nor Dresden, nor "strategic" bombing generally. Not because they killed civilians or because they're wrong in themselves. I could make up a situation where they could be justified. Rather, because they were strategically unnecessary and therefore immoral.

The whole scurrilousness argument is misplaced. Murder is scurrilous. But in war we kill people. Why not SWAT people in war, if it could be useful? No reason. Or at least no reason that wouldn't also be reason against killing.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 07, 2018 2:13 AM  

@103

"I would, however, dearly love to be proved wrong on this. And I hope the test never comes."

Most of the anti-FedGov people are in, ironically, the Army (ARNG [state], USAR [federal], and USA regulars [federal]) and the Marines (USMCR + USMC regulars = 100% federal)

Blogger Troushers June 07, 2018 4:20 AM  

Off-topic, but you should anonymise shared links as a matter of course. Remove everything after the ?.

Blogger James Dixon June 08, 2018 8:40 AM  

> Speaking for myself, if they ever did come for my guns (or anything else) I rather think there'd be enough advance warning for me to come up with a real good hiding place.

And how much good will they do you there when you need them? If they come for our guns, it's time to fight, not hide.

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