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Saturday, July 07, 2018

Dysgenics and failure migration

Be very careful before casually throwing out that "seeking a better life"  rhetoric to justify immigration. Because you're granting entry to the vast majority of the global population with that rationale:
The victory of Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador (AMLO) in the recent Mexican presidential election likely means an increase in immigration to the United States. AMLO has called immigration a “human right that we will defend” and will probably continue the Mexican government’s meddling in American affairs. AMLO has also reportedly promised to demand “respect” from President Trump and the United States, which probably means less cooperation in stopping Central American migrants from moving through the country.  If Mexico continues its decline into lawlessness or goes into recession, immigration from Mexico itself will sharply increase.

The ironic result of all this: the worse Mexico performs, the more powerful that nation becomes. Many nominal American citizens believe their first loyalty is with Mexico. Though they don’t want to live there, they don’t want to surrender their identity. Exporting its underclass to the U.S. spares Mexico and other Latin American countries the need for internal reform. As Tucker Carlson recently put it: “America is now Mexico’s social safety net, and that’s a very good deal for the Mexican ruling class”.

Furthermore, Mexico and other Latin American countries continue to benefit from the endless flow of remittances from the U.S. America is literally paying welfare benefits to illegal aliens (if only for their anchor babies), some portion of which they then proceed to send home.

This phenomenon should be termed “Failure Migration.” The lower a people’s level of civilizational accomplishment, the more that people is able to expand its influence. This paradox is another example of how the modern social and political system has a destructive and even dysgenic effect.
As I've been pointing out recently, it's going to be interesting to see how the non-Posterity US citizens attempt to thread this particular needle. Why should their German, Dutch, Italian, Irish, and Jewish ancestors have had the right to seek a better life that they are denying to Mexicans, Somalis, Libyans, Syrians, and Iranians today?

Average IQs are plunging across the West, most significantly in the USA and Sweden. This is more than societal self-destruction, it is civilizational suicide.

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Blogger Okrane S. July 07, 2018 8:51 AM  

Can't we drop pretenses and just say whites are allowed and non whites stay out?

Blogger Ledford Ledford July 07, 2018 9:03 AM  

Maybe if we can make ourselves dumber through dysgenic breeding, we won't have to bring in foreigners to lower the average IQ. We should syndicate The Jerry Springer Show throughout Africa, demonstrating we don't need any help winding down the age of indoor plumbing. We got this.

Seriously, though, imagine how hard it must be to remain a good liberal. How do you reconcile migrant boatloads with Kumbaya? Most of them pull it off somehow. I think a lot of the anger you see on the left comes from this internal struggle.

Blogger Attila is my bro July 07, 2018 9:04 AM  

Has amlo actually declared war on the US, or only effectively declared it? Would someone point out the diplomatic weasel words, because it sounds like an actual declaration to me.

Blogger Peaceful Poster July 07, 2018 9:05 AM  

The GE knows what's up regarding race and IQ. He spoke this week about Mad Maxime's mid-60's IQ.

I think Trump reads this blog.

More evidence: in the same speech he used "Democrat" Party rather than Democratic Party because, he says, it's better rhetoric.

Perhaps Trump has read Aristotle but more likely VD.

Blogger Phillip George July 07, 2018 9:13 AM  

IQ and age of vaccination. Please correlate.

Blogger Shane Sullivan July 07, 2018 9:15 AM  

@4 Trump's probably just a natural when it comes to rhetoric.

Blogger Bobo #117 July 07, 2018 9:16 AM  

The smaller the Bean, the further the fling.

Once the catapults are online, the range on the squatty indios could reach Jalisco.

Blogger Falcon50 July 07, 2018 9:19 AM  

It will eventually come to that.

Blogger Difster July 07, 2018 9:25 AM  

In his acceptance speech, AMLO said (for whatever it's worth) that he wanted to make Mexico a better place for Mexican so that so that they wouldn't have to leave their families and go work in the U.S.

He also said he would seek friendly relations with Trump despite earlier and harsher rhetoric.

Having vowed to root out corruption he's either going to be doing backroom dealing or he's going to get himself killed.

As to a 'declaration of war' that's just nonsense. He hasn't taken office yet. Anything he said during the campaign is just that.

All that being said, he's a leftist and hes a politician so anything he says is automatically suspect.

I think Trump will have an easier time bringing this guy to heel than he would with someone from either of the two major parties there.

Blogger Peaceful Poster July 07, 2018 9:27 AM  

@6 no question the GE is a natural. He's the master. But to actually use the word "rhetoric" was very interesting.

Blogger Garuna July 07, 2018 9:30 AM  

Can't we drop pretenses and just say whites are allowed and non whites stay out?

This is a very Amerimutt thing to say. None of what's happening exists in a vacuum. The white immigrants destroyed the real American national identity. What we're seeing today is a direct consequence of that.

There is a reason Europe is closer to 100% white and America is closer to 50%. There is a reason Europe will eventually purge their immigrants, whereas America will balkanize at best.

National identity vs lack thereof it.

All immigration is a path to degeneracy and destruction. Whether white or non-white. It's due to the psychology of living in someone else's home. The feeling of being an outsider makes one want to degrade what it means to be an insider.

Blogger Looking Glass July 07, 2018 9:33 AM  

Greed & Envy are the two core issues no one wants to ever touch on the topic. You can split an argument between pre & post Welfare immigration, but there's levels beyond just self-interest & survival that drive most modern immigration that we're dealing with. There's a lot of parties with a lot of evil that drive this stuff.

The interesting parallel, though, is that much of the European Immigration to the USA was drive by their own elites. They were more than willing to ship a lot of people off, though this time it's the local elites bringing people in.

Attila is my bro wrote:Has amlo actually declared war on the US, or only effectively declared it? Would someone point out the diplomatic weasel words, because it sounds like an actual declaration to me.

He backed off the rhetoric the instant he won. He'll be back to it soon enough, but "declaring War on a Nuclear power" has rarely gone well. Plus I'm sure AMLO got a call from his controllers among the Western Elites telling him to knock it off publicly, otherwise Trump has "optical justification" for sending Divisions to the Border.

Blogger Looking Glass July 07, 2018 9:36 AM  

Okrane S. wrote:Can't we drop pretenses and just say whites are allowed and non whites stay out?

The USA should take no immigrants. And the real screw up was ever letting the Catholics immigrate en masse. You seem either new here or trolling to not understand the problem of trying to make work a multi-national Nation State. And it's clearly failed, which is why the USA operates as something of a Federated Empire right now.

Blogger Crush Limbraw July 07, 2018 9:41 AM  

Jesus said "Go and make disciples of all nations...." - Matt 28:18-20 - not bring them all to yours.
So what are DaChurchians doing? Yup!
We're also advancing Islam in countries which have essentially destroyed their Christian communities.
Insanity rules!

Blogger lannes July 07, 2018 9:57 AM  

Why deny? Because the country is not what it was a century ago.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 07, 2018 9:58 AM  

Okrane S. wrote:Can't we drop pretenses and just say whites are allowed and non whites stay out?

That would help a lot.

Garuna wrote:This is a very Amerimutt thing to say. None of what's happening exists in a vacuum. The white immigrants destroyed the real American national identity. What we're seeing today is a direct consequence of that.

National identity. Blood matters for national, and for identity. It's huge, but not the only thing that matters. Establishing ``Once you're in, slam the door behind you'' as part of our national identity would ameliorate the current situation, and give us a little more time. Don't ask me how we get there.

Blogger Johnny July 07, 2018 10:02 AM  

"Why should their German, Dutch, Italian, Irish, and Jewish ancestors have had the right to seek a better life..."

My experience has been that the public dialog when it relates to motives is usually fake. You get your policy by convincing people that it is in their interest, and it helps if it appeals to vanity. Those two things together will sell people on what you want to do. After that the reasons for it as they relate to motive can be invented. Almost anything will do.

Blogger Mark Stoval July 07, 2018 10:15 AM  

@13

"You seem either new here or trolling to not understand the problem of trying to make work a multi-national Nation State."

I can agree and you have nailed the problem. My tribe should have never let the rest of the white people come here. My nation allowed many other nations to be citizens of the Nation-State and then they used the State against my tribe.

And yet, here we are. I would be most happy if we could get rid of all the low IQ non-whites. I even have a plan were we could put them, but I will leave that for another time.

What we European whites have to do now is be allied against the POC and win this war. For we are truly at war for our existence here in the USA.

Blogger Duh-ave July 07, 2018 10:17 AM  

AMLO's rhetoric, if followed up with action, makes WAR! very likely. At least this war will be the first since the (arguably immoral) Indian Wars that is in the interest of Americans.

Blogger Duh-ave July 07, 2018 10:21 AM  

It will be interesting to see if the Mexican-Americans will be treated the same as the Japanese-Americans and German- Americans were during WWII.

Blogger Johnny July 07, 2018 10:21 AM  

I have been thinking about Mexico, and if we suppose someone in power wants to, what might be done to improve things.

While Mexicans can be surprisingly nationalistic, socially they have a strong family orientation. Make law enforcement more local. Have the cops enforce law in the same area where their family lives. Also, perhaps, tolerate a certain amount of vigilantism, provided it relates to and is contained in the local community. If civilian gun ownership were more tolerated the body count would likely be higher, but given the way things are going, perhaps it would be a good idea.

Go "All Duterte" like that guy in the Philippines. When it comes to gang violence be absolutely ruthless. Wanted dead or alive with some tolerance for collateral damage.

Perhaps continue to enforce drug laws as they relate to drug use by the local population, but otherwise quit enforcing drug laws as they relate to the international transport and use of drugs. Let the Americans worry about it. It is supply and demand. The drug trade is high income only because it is illegal. Make it easy and supply would go up along with prices going down, thus depriving the narco gangs of income.

Blogger tuberman July 07, 2018 10:22 AM  

A big test would be heavy Nordic countries settled states, like Minnesota and North Dakota. I expect a strong flip for Minnesota, much like the Wisconsin flip in 2016.

Blogger Chicago Robb July 07, 2018 10:31 AM  

This discussion brings out a major point to me.We need a tax on remittances. You want to send money outside the US as a non-US citizen? It's going to cost you.
I saw one report that 27 billion was sent to Mexico in 2016. A 2% tax on that would bring in $540 million. Nice down payment on the Wall.

Blogger Musashi July 07, 2018 10:32 AM  

War, only war can correct this.

Blogger Dire Badger July 07, 2018 10:35 AM  

Okrane S. wrote:Can't we drop pretenses and just say whites are allowed and non whites stay out?

No. The whites need to stay out too. They are fleeing because they screwed their own country up. They are perfectly capable of fixing their own nation, but they are already habituated to being failures... they will just start the same crap here that they had at home.

It's not just race, it's culture. Marx, Stalin, and Trotsky were white.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 07, 2018 10:38 AM  

The Scandinavian bloodline seems to run hard Left and soft cuck. Don't hope for much from the Scandi-cucks.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 07, 2018 10:40 AM  

Dire Badger wrote:It's not just race, it's culture. Marx, Stalin, and Trotsky were white.

(((White))), for two of the three. It's mostly race.

Blogger tuberman July 07, 2018 10:42 AM  

A major problem is that all the Elites for quite a while now have been infiltrated with Globalists and they are the worst traitors. These include many of the top early colonists families to the USA. Also, in the UK itself many, if not most, of the leading families are involved in the corruption of traditional Western Civilization to the maximum. One could name, names of these old slime families, but everyone knows it.

Demographics and financial problems can only be deeply set to right after the Mayflower traitors are destroyed. These Elite families are everywhere and have ties to UK and European "First families" who are also evil. In Norway who did Breivik target and why (why not Muslims?)? What family does Anderson Cooper come from?

Blogger Azimus July 07, 2018 10:47 AM  

I suppose I would argue the difference between a German immigrant circa 1848 and a Somali 2018 could be stated this way: the Germans came as the poor masses yearning to breathe free, and the Somalis came as the poor masses yearning to eat free. To come to a place where you starve if you fail appeals to an entirely different customer than a land where everyone gets a place to live food tv and air conditioning as a basic human right. Turn off the welfare spigot, and much of this will self-correct. I suppose the question is, would it self correct in time?

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 07, 2018 10:49 AM  

Unlikely he reads/watches Vox directly. But I'm continually surprised how much is bubbling up to Tucker Carlson.

Frankly... he just doesn't have the time.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma July 07, 2018 10:51 AM  

Democrat President Woodrow Wilson
“Now came multitudes of men of the lowest class from the south of Italy, and men of the meaner sort out of Hungary and Poland, men out of the ranks, where there was neither skill nor energy nor any initiative of quick intelligence, and they came in numbers which increased from year to year, as if the countries of the south of Europe were disburdening themselves of the more sordid and hapless elements of their population.”

“In the matter of Chinese and Japanese coolie immigration, I stand for the national policy of exclusion. We cannot make a homogenous population out of people who do not blend with the Caucasian race… Oriental Coolieism will give us another race problem to solve and surely we have had our lesson.”

“Any man who carries a hyphen about with him carries a dagger that he is ready to plunge into the vitals of this Republic whenever he gets ready.”

“[Reconstruction government was detested] not because the Republican Party was dreaded but because the dominance of an ignorant and inferior race was justly dreaded.”

Blogger pyrrhus July 07, 2018 10:51 AM  

@28 You're talking about the centuries old alliance of New England Yankees and NYC (((Bankers)))...the same people who financed and carried the slave trade, fomented the Civil War and WW1-2...Yes, their control has to be broken, and that is essentially the battle that's going on right now.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma July 07, 2018 10:53 AM  

"Few teachers realize that the purpose of teaching history is not the memorizing of dates and facts...
To study history means to search for and discover the forces behind the causes of those results which appear before our eyes. The art of reading and studying consists in remembering the essentials and forgetting what is not essential."

"The material interest of mankind can prosper only in the shade of the heroic virtues. The moment they become the primary considerations of life they wreck the basis of their own existence."

"The ultimate and most profound reason of the German downfall is to be found in the fact that the racial problem was ignored- its importance in the historical development of nations was not grasped."

"The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood. Its notions are never partly this and partly that. English propaganda especially understood this in a marvellous way and put what they understood into practice. They allowed no half-measures which might have given rise to some doubt."

"What then remains is nothing but a uniform mish-mash, which seems to be the dream of our fine Utopians. But that mish-mash would soon banish all ideals from the world. Certainly a great herd could thus be formed. One can breed a herd of animals; but from a mixture of this kind men such as have created and founded civilizations would not be produced. The mission of humanity might then be considered at an end.
[...]
Our contemporary generation of weaklings will naturally decry such a policy and whine and complain about it as an encroachment on the most sacred of human rights. But there is only one right that is sacrosanct and this right is at the same time a most sacred duty. This right and obligation are: that the purity of the racial blood should be guarded, so that the best types of human beings may be preserved and that thus we should render possible a more noble development of humanity itself."

- Hitler, Mein Kampf 1925

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma July 07, 2018 10:55 AM  

"In so far as the blood of the former ruling race has left a light nuance of colour in the blood of its descendants, as a token and a memory, the night of cultural life is rendered less dim and dark by a mild light radiated from the products of those who were the bearers of the original fire.
Their radiance shines across the barbarism to which the subjected race has reverted and might often lead the superficial observer to believe that he sees before him an image of the present race when he is really looking into a mirror wherein only the past is reflected.

It may happen that in the course of its history such a people will come into contact a second time, and even oftener, with the original founders of their culture and may not even remember that distant association. Instinctively the remnants of blood left from that old ruling race will be drawn towards this new phenomenon and what had formerly been possible only under compulsion can now be successfully achieved in a voluntary way.

A new cultural wave flows in and lasts until the blood of its standard-bearers becomes once again adulterated by intermixture with the originally conquered race.

It will be the task of those who set themselves to the study of a universal history of civilization to investigate history from this point of view instead of allowing themselves to be smothered under the mass of external data, as is only too often the case with our present historical science.
This short sketch of the changes that take place among those races that are only the depositories of a culture also furnishes a picture of the development and the activity and the disappearance of those who are the true founders of culture on this earth, namely the Aryans themselves.

Just as in our daily life the so-called man of genius needs a particular occasion, and sometimes indeed a special stimulus, to bring his genius to light, so too in the life of the peoples the race that has genius in it needs the occasion and stimulus to bring that genius to expression. In the monotony and routine of everyday life even persons of significance seem just like the others and do not rise beyond the average level of their fellow-men.

But as soon as such men find themselves in a special situation which disconcerts and unbalances the others, the humble person of apparently common qualities reveals traits of genius, often to the amazement of those who have hitherto known him in the small things of everyday life.
That is the reason why a prophet only seldom counts for something in his own country.
War offers an excellent occasion for observing this phenomenon."

.................

"Every government will claim that its duty is to uphold the authority of the State. But, generally speaking, we must not forget that the highest aim of human existence is not the maintenance of a State of Government but rather the conservation of the race. The established power may in such a case employ only those means which are recognized as 'legal'. yet the instinct of self-preservation on the part of the oppressed will always justify, to the highest degree, the employment of all possible resources.

Only on the recognition of this principle was it possible for those struggles to be carried through, of which history furnishes magnificent examples in abundance, against foreign bondage or oppression at home. Human rights are above the rights of the State. The world is not there to be possessed by the faint-hearted races. The art of leadership consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention."


- Hitler, Mein Kampf 1925

Blogger VD July 07, 2018 10:56 AM  

I suppose I would argue the difference between a German immigrant circa 1848 and a Somali 2018 could be stated this way: the Germans came as the poor masses yearning to breathe free, and the Somalis came as the poor masses yearning to eat free.

That's not at all true. They all came here in order to eat free. See: Irish Potato Famine for starters. The Germans have never understood the Anglo concept of freedom, not in Germany, not in the USA, and not in England.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 07, 2018 10:57 AM  

Obviously the US will balkanize. The question is how? Where will the conflict be?

My guess is California will become Mexico, New England will go far-left, Midwest/Northwest will be the Right-wing holdout.

Not looking good for Conservatives....

Blogger dienw July 07, 2018 10:58 AM  

Yeah, I with you on how the Germans destroyed what was best in America.

No, I am not German.

Blogger pyrrhus July 07, 2018 11:01 AM  

"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all." Theodore Roosevelt

Blogger Worlds Edge July 07, 2018 11:09 AM  

As worried as I am about a great many things, the antics of this mestizo knucklehead seem more like low comedy than anything else at this point.

Viz:


Mexico's new president casually travels to meetings without security detail: 'The people will protect me'

And if he follows through with this his presidency is likely to be a very short one, indeed.

Blogger pyrrhus July 07, 2018 11:10 AM  

That's not at all true. They all came here in order to eat free. See: Irish Potato Famine for starters. The Germans have never understood the Anglo concept of freedom, not in Germany, not in the USA, and not in England.

Absolutely true, and in my family tree, still true after several generations.

Blogger pyrrhus July 07, 2018 11:18 AM  

At the WC--England 2 Sweden 0, England dominating.

Blogger Gastguma July 07, 2018 11:24 AM  

The problem in America actually started with the large importation of Africans for slave labor via the Islamic slave trade. (Ironically, cheap labor is one of the justifications for mass immigration in our supposedly sensitive modern society.) Also Mexico is right on our southern border, and a chunk of the southwest was originally Mexico. There was also a time when the U.S. was being settled where immigration, mostly from N.W. Europeans was encouraged. All of this was relatively recent in history, whereas the Europeans have been in Europe for millennia.

However, there are probably more posterity white Americans that we think who are descendants through intermarriage, because most people remember only part of their ancestry, and usually the most recent. I myself thought I was only descended from Euro immigrants until I recently found out that part of my ancestry goes back to the Mayflower. There are at least some blacks (perhaps many) who are descents of the founders. Britain was invaded by Vikings more than once, who undoubtedly intermarried with the English, Scots, etc. None of this undermines the posterity argument, but rather shows the complexity of the situation. And it's possible I'm wrong about this, but the rural/urban divide (present even among the founders) seems to account for more of the ideological diffence among whites than ethnic descent.

The fact is that virtually everyone that matters considers white English-speaking citizens with at least a few generations of history here to be Americans, themselves included. I will admit, though, that I feel a little more pride knowing that my ancestor fought in the Revolutionary War.

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 07, 2018 11:25 AM  

Every liar, thief, rapist, and murderer is just seeking a better life.

Who cares?

Blogger Nostromo July 07, 2018 11:34 AM  

All this "rhetoric" about just the progeny of the founders is sheer nonsense. Let's suppose America does perform the act of deporting, and exiling everyone not a descendant from the originalist, the remaining population could not sustain it's level of Civilization, let alone defend the country from outside invaders.

Let's just argue over whether Adam and Eve had belly buttons. It would certainly be more relevant.

Blogger Unknown July 07, 2018 11:37 AM  

Off topic but my army brother just visited, family is together, and I hear him go, "Hey Dad, have you heard about a college Professor named Jordan Peterson?"

What follows is then my brother talking about how Jordan Peterson is against tribalism, about how Trump won such a big share of non-white votes, tribalism is not ideal and it's something people can overcome, and if you believe American citizens (the hispanic nation) are going to get deported, well that's illegal and against the Constitution, it'll never happen... Holy crap. I don't know how you have the patience to have written that many articles against pyscho Jordy.

I don't even have the patience to talk to my brother now, it's like trying to hold a fish--someone who both wants to talk about how we could never deport a people en masse because it's unconstitutional and the polls don't support it (despite history being filled with violent genocides of peoples and brutal civil wars when multiple nations live inside one country, which is slightly more illegal than mass deportation or revoking citizenships) but wants to talk about how blacks and hispanics in the USA will magically stop voting as separate peoples and will vote for what's best for all Americans.

I mean holy shit... it may as well be something like:
Me: "I think a heavy snowstorm is going to happen sooner or later, the weather looks right and it's happened before."
Him: "No, it's too warm today and the sky is clear, a snowstorm will never happen. Besides, we'll probably be seeing year round summers soon in Atlanta, after all there was a hot week in September last year."
Me: "...wtf?"

Blogger Johnny July 07, 2018 11:40 AM  

>>Germans came as the poor masses yearning to breathe free...

Most of the 1848 Germans moved to the United States because they were part of failed revolutionary movements and had to pull out. Not uncommonly they were socialists of some sort revolting against the local nobility. While not commonly well off, unlike the Irish they were also often not financially desperate and large numbers of them bought into homesteads in the Midwest.

Blogger tuberman July 07, 2018 11:48 AM  

Let's see we have the Vanderbilts, the Fords, the Rockerfellers, the Astors, the Morgans, the Schiffs, and many more, including the Bush Family (came to America in mid 1600's), all of these have been some of the biggest money elites since the early 19th century. These people had control even before the 1913 capture of the Fed by Rothschild manipulations.

How much have these traitors done to undermine Western Civilization?

Blogger Xellos July 07, 2018 11:52 AM  

@45: Take him to a black/Hispanic 'hood, tell him to convince these people how to vote. Or just to take a walk after dark.

Blogger VD July 07, 2018 12:04 PM  

All this "rhetoric" about just the progeny of the founders is sheer nonsense. Let's suppose America does perform the act of deporting, and exiling everyone not a descendant from the originalist, the remaining population could not sustain it's level of Civilization, let alone defend the country from outside invaders.

You're an idiot. First, it's not rhetoric. Second, you clearly don't understand how genetics works. Third, the remaining population would have a MUCH better chance of sustaining the current level of civilization. Fourth, the country has ALREADY been subjected to the largest invasion in human history. And fifth, you have to go back.

Blogger VD July 07, 2018 12:09 PM  

Midwest/Northwest will be the Right-wing holdout.

Have you ever been to the Midwest? Scandinavian-Americans are the most left-wing whites in the country. UW-Madison has been the heart of socialist American since the 1920s and Minnesota has the only major Labor party in the country.

Blogger Azimus July 07, 2018 12:18 PM  

I am not well-versed on the American side of the Irish Potato famine, I will read up on that. In your mind is homesteading the equivalent of the welfare state?

Blogger Hammerli280 July 07, 2018 12:20 PM  

@46 Johnny: "Most of the 1848 Germans moved to the United States because they were part of failed revolutionary movements and had to pull out. ... While not commonly well off, unlike the Irish they were also often not financially desperate and large numbers of them bought into homesteads in the Midwest"

This is true, and more important than people realize. Until the Irish immigration of Wave 4b, each immigrant group had moved to the frontier and settled there. The Irish and the subsequent immigrants of Wave 5 tended to move into the major cities on the Eastern Seaboard, displace the original inhabitants, and set up "Little Foreign Country X" colonies. Assimilation was never thought of, only ethnic identity politics.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 07, 2018 12:21 PM  

I've always despised the "seeking a better life" justification, as if the rapid elevation of standard of living was something to be found lying there. To give it lip service is to reject the basic notions of privacy or property.

Blogger Azimus July 07, 2018 12:22 PM  

johnny;
Most of the 1848 Germans moved to the United States because they were part of failed revolutionary movements and had to pull out.


Without directing me to the obvious "Revolution of 1848" wikipedia site, do you have a source for most of the 1848 (and presumably later) Germans immigrants being failed revolutionaries? It seems fantastic that the Germans would let them go, and equally fantastic that the US would let them in.

Blogger Azimus July 07, 2018 12:35 PM  

Nevermind I found some documentation of German Texans at least. But these would be frontier settlers not city cells. Would love to see some numbers if you have them, but there's evidence out there certainly.

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 1:15 PM  

@12 Looking Glass
"Plus I'm sure AMLO got a call from his controllers among the Western Elites telling him to knock it off publicly, otherwise Trump has "optical justification" for sending Divisions to the Border."

No need to shift any Divisions to the Border.
The only armored division remaining in the US Army is parked at Fort Bliss (El Paso, Texas), in the middle of the Mexican border.
Fort Hood (Kileen, Texas) just moved the 4th Infantry Division to Fort Carson, Colorado, but still is home to the First Cavalry.
Fort Sam Houston, Lackland AFB and Randolph AFB are in San Antonio, Texas.
Kirtland AFB is in New Mexico. 144 F-35s are being stationed at Luke AFB in Arizona.
California has 32 military bases of all sorts.
And the B-52 wing at Barksdale AFB (Louisiana) can be over Mexico in no time flat.

Blogger Heterodox July 07, 2018 1:27 PM  

What if someone descends from both progenitor Americans and third wave immigrants? Do you deport them all to be safe, let them stay, or go to an ideological test?

What percentage of people are purely heritage American at this point? I'd imagine it's small, which would rule out blanket deportation for practical reasons, but that's conjecture on my part.

Im not challenging your policy's validity, I'm just thinking through implementation and wanted your thoughts on the matter.

Blogger pyrrhus July 07, 2018 1:29 PM  

@55 Yes, the Texas Hill Country was heavily settled by Germans, because it was cooler and wooded...I don't think there were many revolutionaries among them.

Blogger Paul M July 07, 2018 1:40 PM  

@36 "Obviously the US will balkanize. The question is how? Where will the conflict be? My guess is California will become Mexico,"

California has oil. Los Angeles is still an oil producer. California will never be permitted to secede.

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 1:42 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@28 You're talking about the centuries old alliance of New England Yankees and NYC (((Bankers)))...the same people who financed and carried the slave trade, fomented the Civil War and WW1-2...Yes, their control has to be broken, and that is essentially the battle that's going on right now.

The real coalition of Liberals and Radicals is between Irish Roman Catholics and Radical Puritan Congregationalists. The Puritans are proud of their radical history....abolitionists, suffragettes, prohibitionists....and these were the populations that settled the frontier, from New England due west to the Pacific Northwest. The Potato Irish tended to stay where they got off the boat. The Leftist Germans and Dutch and Scandinavians caught up with the Puritans, attracted by cheap Homestead land from Kansas to the Great Lakes. This is the Genesis of Leftist Liberalism in the USA.

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 2:00 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@55 Yes, the Texas Hill Country was heavily settled by Germans, because it was cooler and wooded...I don't think there were many revolutionaries among them.

The Lutheran Germans who settled in the Texas Hill Country made a separate peace with the Comanche Indians and that put them at odds with the Anglo Texans, who never made peace with the Comanche.

Later, these same Lutheran Germans opposed the Confederacy and sided with the Union, which led to some atrocities. Even today, there is some friction between German and Anglo Texas. They pretty much still have their own towns in Texas, but they get along well with the Mexicans. (Many of those German towns have a Catholic Church at one end of Main Street and a Lutheran Church at the other end.)

What was interesting to me was the fact that the Germans came directly to Texas from Germany, whereas the Anglos basically moved with the frontier over generations, mostly from the South, after landing on the East Coast. The cowboy gaudy outfits were essentially German and many of the cowboys spoke German.

Blogger Lucas Evans July 07, 2018 2:04 PM  

The Amerimutt problem isn't much of a problem. The US, Canada, Australia and apartheid South Africa were all 1st world, high trust societies despite not being ethnically homogeneous. Sweden being one of the most ethnically homogeneous countries in the world didn't save it from being in the same boat as Australia or Canada.

I don't think I even know any White Americans my age that aren't Euro-mutts.

Blogger Lurker July 07, 2018 2:29 PM  

"Scandinavian-Americans are the most left-wing whites in the country."


This. Being around them so much I feel like I am in Norway for some reason. They can be nice and all but you can sense they don't grok the whole American thing.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 07, 2018 2:34 PM  

"The USA should take no immigrants. And the real screw up was ever letting the Catholics immigrate en masse"

Any immigrants... and that would include cases like the Scandahoovians.

Best we can do is hope a New American identity forms, possibly based around having a Celto-Germanic background. It's easy to forget that white-American "mutts" are in fact a new ethnic group with mainly that background.

Blogger Jack Amok July 07, 2018 2:49 PM  

Every liar, thief, rapist, and murderer is just seeking a better life.

Bingo. Go seek your better life somewhere it doesn't steal from me or my kid's better lives.

And yet, here we are. I would be most happy if we could get rid of all the low IQ non-whites.

Indeed. Here we are. We have so many euro-mutts from generations ago there's no place for them to go back to anymore. There are basically three sandbars in our demographic heritage:

-pre-65
-pre-Ellis Island
-pre-Irish Potato Famine.

I think a return to pre-65 is doable and will happen. Hopefully that's enough to stabilize, because going back farther will be increasingly hard. But pessimistically, I think we will either need to abandon Universal and Women's suffrage, or return to pre-Ellis Island demographics. Which one will be easier?

Blogger VFM #7634 July 07, 2018 3:07 PM  

" I think we will either need to abandon Universal and Women's suffrage, or return to pre-Ellis Island demographics. Which one will be easier?"

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if stripping women of the vote became mainstream in the GOP in the next decade. There are already female Republicans advocating for it like Ann Coulter, which is already giving the issue a pu$$y-pass.

And removing female suffrage would take care of well over half the problem with the nonwhite vote.

The Ellis Island immigrants (Italians, Slavs, definitely Jews) are different enough from the founding stock to cross the line into "definitely not your basic Celto-Germanic American".

Blogger Cloom Glue July 07, 2018 3:09 PM  

The Amerimutt (Euromutt) problem isn't much of a problem.
... and you compare that to homogenous Sweden. Sweden was already shot down in the comments, and white European is a huge problem, and repeatedly explained how so, over the weeks. @57, The Posterity is very large per @49.

However, my neighbourhood street and backyard is 99% white European, not posterity of anything. I know twenty male-female adult pairs by name and none but two men are born in Canada. The rest are England, Ireland, Croatia, Serbia, Italy and most of them are left, and have no loyalty to a Canadian posterity. Only three of us men have any roots here. It is a big problem and I am always furious when I read that idiot Garth explain 1% per year immigration is tiny. No, it is huge over fifty years. These civic boomer whites came via the annual 1% and they want open borders. They have been here for forty to fifty years. They are not mutts and they married their own nationals, and they are being displaced by non-Christian non-whites because they are disloyal to Canada and to each other. I hear them disparage Canadians, but they are citizens. 1% per year was too many of them.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 07, 2018 3:12 PM  

I'd argue that one should be descended at least 1/4 from founding stock Americans and have ancestry over 3/4 from either founding stock or first wave immigrants to count as New American.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 07, 2018 3:20 PM  

"No, it is huge over fifty years"

All but the most pig-headedly leftist Americans would go ballistic if anyone suggested we take in 3.2 million immigrants every year. Canada is rapidly dissolving itself. I guess it's political class is thinking it'll become a gigantic Singapore or something. Even Canadians who support Trump usually get puzzled when you tell them they should stop taking in so many immigrants. I don't understand it.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 07, 2018 3:23 PM  

I assign four attributes to a valuable human -- a lifetime quest for continual self-improvement both as an individual and also extensions of the individual aka leadership, inquisitiveness, a penchant for intelligent risk-taking, and honesty. I know plenty of folks not-of-founding stock who possess these attributes in spades, nearly 100% of them from Northern and Western European ancestry. In contrast, one of my former skydiving buddies, who lives down the street, hails from elite Mayflower stock, nominally lived next door to the Ford family in GP, graduated top prep school and Ivy, and he is unsurprisingly eloquent and tasteful when he chooses. A trust fund baby, this fellow has spent the last 30 years of his life smoking pot and jumping from airplanes. Which is fine work if you can get it I suppose. He has to go back, said somewhat tongue-in-cheek yet not completely.

Blogger CoolHand July 07, 2018 3:26 PM  

At this point, a simple "Because Fuck You." ought to suffice.

I personally don't see the need to justify ejecting someone from my living room when they show up uninvited.

Blogger Ryan G July 07, 2018 3:42 PM  

This is a very Amerimutt thing to say. None of what's happening exists in a vacuum. The white immigrants destroyed the real American national identity. What we're seeing today is a direct consequence of that.

...and the British descendants allowed it to happen, just as modern British peoples are allowing it to happen today. Heck, it's a practice that started before the country even began. Pennsylvania was, de facto, a German colony by the ratification of the Constitution but it was admitted as a full blown state - the second, in fact - in 1787 all the same. Clearly the founders were either hard up for support for their fledgling Republic, or they didn't really care that the area was heavily German. So if Germans destroyed the American identity, they did so before the country even existed.

Blogger RM Chris July 07, 2018 3:44 PM  

Razorfist noted that while back in a rant titled "Build the Wall", that the Mexican government has long viewed the border as their political pressure relief valve.

Blogger tuberman July 07, 2018 3:44 PM  

60. DonReynolds

Countless people see the Puritans as on the Right, but even as a teen I knew they were Left wing extremists.

Blogger Thumos July 07, 2018 3:54 PM  

That's what I'm saying. White nationalism obviously works. European non-Jews come here and see a home that they want to be a part of. All other people see it as a place to colonize, rent-seek and subvert.

Blogger Duh-ave July 07, 2018 3:54 PM  

@46 Agreed. My great great grandfather came to escape the consequences of the 1848 rebellion. That side of the family is still commie all the way down. They need to be flushed.

Blogger Lobert E. Ree July 07, 2018 3:56 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:… The Potato Irish …

This term is apt, imho. The Irish who came 150 years prior would have been the exiles of a newly fallen society, while the later Potato Irish (the Keltoffeln xd) were serfs.

Blogger Duh-ave July 07, 2018 3:58 PM  

Funny thing is one of them crossed Check Point Charlie and tried to set up a return to Prussia but was not welcomed. I guess that just leaves the helicopter option.

Blogger John July 07, 2018 4:07 PM  

At the end of the day, Not-Posterity whites should be less concerned with "what about meeeee?", less concerned with complaining about how "posterity did it tooooo!", and more concerned with their loyalty to the WASP Constitution. After all, that is the proposition under which you think you are entitled to stay in the country, right?

Maybe if the Germans, Irish, and Italians had actually appropriated WASP culture, things wouldn't be so bad. But we didn't any more than Particular Individuals Of Color did. So maybe worry about cleaning your own nation's room before you start declaring your 'right' to live in WASP America.

The only white immigrants with any claim to be here are those who are loyal to the original intent of the Constitution. Everyone else has betrayed their naturalization oath and by rights should be sent back. I am 0% posterity but 100% loyal, and I have no interest in permitting German, Irish, Italian, or Nordic values to exercise influence in America. When all this is said and done, if I'm asked to go back, I'll still be proud to have fought for the American political ideal, which is in fact worth dying for.

Blogger tuberman July 07, 2018 4:21 PM  

79. John

Nope, the loyalty needs to be centered on Western Civilization and Christianity with some kind of imagined Nationality structured around those two, with sincerity. The Constitution was subverted into meaninglessness long ago. It's okay for now to put "Constitutional Judges" on the supreme court, but look how long, and how easily that has all been shoved into anything the Left wanted.

Blogger Johnny July 07, 2018 4:28 PM  


" The cowboy gaudy outfits were essentially German and many of the cowboys spoke German."

Maybe I got it wrong, but I believe they were Spanish.

Blogger Johnny July 07, 2018 4:34 PM  

Azimus wrote:Without directing me to the obvious "Revolution of 1848" wikipedia site, do you have a source for most of the 1848 (and presumably later) Germans immigrants being failed revolutionaries?
I am not going to trouble myself to try to find sources, but I well detail the argument for you.

When the Irish had the potato famine there was a potato famine throughout Europe. It hit the Central Europeans, often German. The steep rise in food costs produced political revolts in many German duchies, and that in turn produced urban revolutionary movements. With the majority, the hicks from the sticks, not going along, they all failed. But it was understood that those who were involved had to leave or deal with the possibility of being killed. (on balance nicer times than now)

Most of the revolutionaries were urban and often artisans. They had property or a supportive family, so they had resources. As a result they didn't pile up in the cities as the Irish did. Many bought into a homestead established by a "Yankee" and became rural. As a result the whole Midwest of the Untied States was piled full of Central Europeans.

As for letting them in; hell, we let in the Irish and they were more poorly thought of than the often Catholic Central Europeans.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 07, 2018 5:03 PM  

"Countless people see the Puritans as on the Right, but even as a teen I knew they were Left wing extremists."

The oldest Puritan church in continuous use is now Unitarian Universalist... go figure.

@tuberman @DonReynolds
In the case of Puritan descendants, they're of course American, but they have to reject leftism if they don't want the whole country to be lost. Being a progtard is apparently a weakness in all human ethnicities, due I guess to the sin of Adam. But dealing with our homegrown progs and the consequences of importing others are two different challenges.

Blogger VD July 07, 2018 5:07 PM  

I assign four attributes to a valuable human -- a lifetime quest for continual self-improvement both as an individual and also extensions of the individual aka leadership, inquisitiveness, a penchant for intelligent risk-taking, and honesty.

Who the fuck cares what you think? The point is that you clearly don't give a damn what the Founders thought, you have no loyalty to their descendants, and people like you have laid the groundwork for the further expansion of the ersatz nation to people you don't like.

It's astonishing how many of you can't pull your noses out of your no-doubt fascinating navels long enough to grasp how the one follows from the other. Because you didn't respect your predecessors, your replacements will not respect you. This really isn't that hard.

Blogger CoolHand July 07, 2018 5:23 PM  

One thing I think you consistently underestimate is rural white folks' capacity for violence.

They're not using it now, because there's nowhere near the pressure on them that there is in the cities. It's still a whitebread wonderland out here.

But when things get bad enough, the rural people will fight.

Ain't every place in flyover as cucked as the Minnesota of your youth VD.

There's a reason there aren't any black folks or even any out-and-proud gays in the little town I live near, and it ain't just the lack of Starbucks.

Blogger Red Bane July 07, 2018 5:54 PM  

Wasn't Ireland under British rule at the time of settlement? Were they Irish not members of her majesty forces and roayl subjects, and part of the original influx in the 1600s? How do the Scots fair in this debate? They seem to get forgotten but also are not English but also came in the first waves before independence

Blogger pnq8787 July 07, 2018 6:10 PM  

Sounds like we have three choices.

1) Accept the Civ-Nat version of posterity where the U.S. continues on its course to becoming Brazil del Norte and the 2nd wave immigrants feelz are spared.

2) Balkanize the country where a small element of pureblood posterity will retain their precious and irreplaceable constitution.

3) Accept that the constitution has already been thwarted and have a revolution wherein a new constitution is ratified which is explicitly white nationalist.

But, who's kidding who? Americans are blowhards by and large and there isn't going to be a revolution. Option 1 it is.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 07, 2018 6:15 PM  

84.
Let's address your contentions in order. You for one clearly care what I think else you would not have responded. Your literary talent is adequate enough to register without bothering to direct quote my triggering post. Moreover, I do not have blind loyalty to descendants of our Founders, I have never claimed such. I am loyal to the founding principles, their histories, and the ghosts of many men who anchored these precepts during our founding and immediately beyond. You fail to qualify or otherwise provide any notional description of "people like me" and I have done nothing to "further expand the ersatz nation" deliberately. There you live in Italy, playing soccer - a non-American pursuit - and posting wine-drinking video despite your native american ancestry and potential genetic susceptability to the effects of alcoholic drink. Are you under the influence now? I appear here because I can learn from you and the forum contributes to my goals.

Blogger Jack Amok July 07, 2018 6:17 PM  

Better get some popcorn poppin'...

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 07, 2018 6:25 PM  

Then why is New England more cucked than the Midwest?

Blogger Lobert E. Ree July 07, 2018 6:41 PM  

@90
I tenuously think the Germanics are moralistic and conformistic, and they still hold on to the moral legitimacy of American liberty. And i suppose they have Anglo-Celts interspersed among them in the Midwest who act as a social proof.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 07, 2018 6:41 PM  

Vox... I live in the Midwest right now. Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri all vote Right. Further right than Anglo-states like Pennsylvania, Maine, Rhode Island, New York, Vermont, etc.

What am I missing?

Blogger VD July 07, 2018 6:43 PM  

You for one clearly care what I think else you would not have responded. Your literary talent is adequate enough to register without bothering to direct quote my triggering post.

Don't be a complete moron. I don't care what 99 percent of the people I respond to think. Do you seriously think I would blink an eye if Jordan Peterson hanged himself tomorrow? Don't even start with that ridiculously narcissistic line of thinking.

Moreover, I do not have blind loyalty to descendants of our Founders, I have never claimed such.

Obviously. You have no loyalty to them at all. That's the point.

I am loyal to the founding principles, their histories, and the ghosts of many men who anchored these precepts during our founding and immediately beyond. You fail to qualify or otherwise provide any notional description of "people like me" and I have done nothing to "further expand the ersatz nation" deliberately.

A) So what? B) It wasn't necessary, the point is very clear. C) You are doing so right now by defining actual nation out of existence and replacing it with an idea.

There you live in Italy, playing soccer - a non-American pursuit - and posting wine-drinking video despite your native american ancestry and potential genetic susceptability to the effects of alcoholic drink. Are you under the influence now? I appear here because I can learn from you and the forum contributes to my goals.

It's only because you're obviously slow on the uptake that I don't ban you for trying to make the subject about me. I already warned everyone that if anyone attempts to make a subject about me, they are done here. Don't do it again.

If you still can't understand these simple concepts despite repeated posts on the subject, I clearly can't explain it to you.

Blogger VD July 07, 2018 6:44 PM  

What am I missing?

The non-white vote.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 6:46 PM  

@22

"A big test would be heavy Nordic countries settled states, like Minnesota and North Dakota. I expect a strong flip for Minnesota, much like the Wisconsin flip in 2016."

Don't count on it.

Swedes living in Minnesota are just as moronically trustful of government to NEVER EVER EVER SCREW THEM as their cousins back home in the old country.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 6:48 PM  

@23

"This discussion brings out a major point to me.We need a tax on remittances. You want to send money outside the US as a non-US citizen? It's going to cost you.
I saw one report that 27 billion was sent to Mexico in 2016. A 2% tax on that would bring in $540 million. Nice down payment on the Wall."

Should be a 100% tax.
For every dollar you send to relatives or whoever, you pay one dollar in tax.

Now, instead of collecting $540,000,000, we would be collecting $13,500,000,000.

Blogger CoolHand July 07, 2018 6:50 PM  

lynnjynh9315 wrote:Then why is New England more cucked than the Midwest?

I think that probably depends entirely on what your definition of Midwest is.

Wisconsin & Minnesota are every bit as cucked as the metropolitan NE. Upstate NY and rural ME are less cucked than many places in Minnesota.

IN, OH, are far less cucked than any of the NE states or WI/MN, and even IL is probably less cucked than MN.

Some people would call MO a midwestern state and some would call it a southern state. We're on the border line, and were even back to the civil war.

Currently MO is much more akin to the southern states and is far less cucked than OH/IN/IA/KS. The legislature actually overrode the now replaced governor's veto to enact Constitutional Carry here back in 2016, we have strong voter ID laws, and a balanced budget amendment in our state constitution. The state police coordinate with ICE for deportation of illegals, and there's a good chance we'll get mandatory e-verify legislation in the near future.

The states in the US are so variable it's difficult to say anything generally about them all as a whole.

It's like trying to say something that applies universally to everyone in Europe from Slavs to Swedes to Germans to Italians to Greeks. There's too much variety of temperament there. It's the same in the US.

Just like people in the US should probably not say anything with great conviction about how things are on the ground in any specific place in Europe, the same is true for people who are not on the ground here in the States.

In both cases, what one sees on TV or the internet news tells little or none of the actual story on the ground.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 6:51 PM  

@25


"No. The whites need to stay out too. They are fleeing because they screwed their own country up. They are perfectly capable of fixing their own nation, but they are already habituated to being failures... they will just start the same crap here that they had at home."

Cases in point:

Californians who move to Texas... and proceed to try to implement the same screwed up laws that ruined California.
Same for Californians moving to Colorado.
And they've already done it to Oregon
and Washington.

Likewise, NY Jews who move to Florida.

The answer has to be -- no, clean up your own mess -- we cannot be the pressure relief valve for the entire world because the people of other nations are too cowardly to reform or overthrow their own political systems.

Hell, if the Poles could overthrow the Soviet puppet regime two FULL YEARS before the Berlin Wall was torn down, then anybody can do it.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 6:56 PM  

@32

"You're talking about the centuries old alliance of New England Yankees and NYC (((Bankers)))...the same people who financed and carried the slave trade, fomented the Civil War and WW1-2...Yes, their control has to be broken, and that is essentially the battle that's going on right now."

Carpet bombing Wall Street at 10:00 AM with zero warning would solve a lot of problems.

Blogger John Best July 07, 2018 7:04 PM  

http://infogalactic.com/info/Demographics_of_New_England

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:08 PM  

@36

"My guess is California will become Mexico, New England will go far-left, Midwest/Northwest will be the Right-wing holdout.

Not looking good for Conservatives...."

California is too rich in both oil and gold to let Mexico take it by immivasion.

Blogger John Best July 07, 2018 7:10 PM  

@101 the invasion as already taken place.

Blogger Retrenched July 07, 2018 7:15 PM  

"Your family has been in America for 170 years, and your ancestors helped win the west and beat the Nazis and Japanese, but sorry we can't let you stay without opening the border to every Somali and Honduran who wants a welfare check"

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:18 PM  

@40

Not only do Germans not understand Freedom, they are actively opposed to it.

The German mindset is this: That which is not specifically allowed by law is absolutely prohibited.

And they have a "lets make and follow lots and lots and lots of laws" fetish rivalling the Jews.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 07, 2018 7:20 PM  

Some people would call MO a midwestern state and some would call it a southern state.

It's split. The South extends up into MO. Meanwhile the German-Americans reside mainly along the Missouri river, forming what is called the Missouri Rhineland. These counties along the river vote as red as the southern half of the state. Very traditional, very conservative. I grew up there. The only MO counties that voted blue were KC, St. Louis, and Columbia.

Now the Scandinavians in American... those I can't vouch for. They're different from the German-Americans.

Blogger CynicalMan July 07, 2018 7:31 PM  

Can't we drop pretenses and ask that everyone enter through the front door an not though the basement window.

Blogger Cubby8126 July 07, 2018 7:34 PM  

Hey vox or anyone who is more intelligent in this subject than I, if one is dubious of what their heritage their family has told them they have, where should one go to research or find what their family history is? I've been told im welsh, anglo saxon, irish,scottish, you name it. Any tips or websites/databases would be appreciated.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:34 PM  

@42

"All of this was relatively recent in history, whereas the Europeans have been in Europe for millennia."

Not for nearly as long as you think.

The Hungarias (i.e. the Huns) came to Europe only half a millenia ago.

Even the Franks and the Gauls were in western Asia around 4000 years ago, slowly migrating west until they finally ran into the Atlantic Ocean. Only the Mediterranean coast of Europe, and the British Isles have populations which can be traced back continously past a couple millenia. (All of those still speaking a Barythnic or Gaelic language in the 1800's .... the old Irish, the Scots, and those tribes in the western part of England -- Welsh, Cornish, etc. All of the other original tribes (The Mercians, etc., and especially those on the west coast of England (i.e. no-longer Britain... but "Angle-land", because of the vast hordes of Angles who came from the Jutland peninsula, and instituted the Danelaw)... the tribes who lived in the area that was under the Danelaw are completely unrecognizable today.

The only thing that unified the Angles with the remaining Brits was their utter hatred and distrust of the French-speaking, Normandy-dwelling Vikings (i.e. Norsemen from Scandinavia who had taken over part of the northern coast of France) who invaded in 1066. Which lead to the Magna Carte limiting the King's power, and more and more demands by the dukes, earls, counts, and barons to devolve as much power downwards as they could get. The barons, being most numerous, were often successful by the sheer weight of numbers (and the implied force that would go with it) to push a lot of power down to the local level, removing so much from even the earls and dukes (who were so few).

Regardless of who they owed their fealty to, the barons, as a class, stuck together, and because they literally outnumbered all the rest of the nobility, and were also closest to the peasants, could magnify their numbers into a military force the most easily and effectively... they gained ground, bit by bit, generation after generation.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:41 PM  

@46

"
Most of the 1848 Germans moved to the United States because they were part of failed revolutionary movements and had to pull out. Not uncommonly they were socialists of some sort revolting against the local nobility. While not commonly well off, unlike the Irish they were also often not financially desperate and large numbers of them bought into homesteads in the Midwest."

And these Germans, who also flooded into the railroad industry, brought with them the German way of expanding railroads ... go directly to the highest authority possible and get excessive land grants.
That works in Germany... but when you do it in large agricultural areas (Georgia, Alabama, Mississipi), all you do is piss off a lot of people who, individually, have enough wealth to raise an entire battalion out of their own bank account.

What really pissed off the South about Lincolnd wasn't so much the slavery issue -- it's because he was a RAILROAD LAWYER. And the Germanic way of railroad land-grabbing was the straw the broke the camel's back.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:44 PM  

@50

"Midwest/Northwest will be the Right-wing holdout.

Have you ever been to the Midwest? Scandinavian-Americans are the most left-wing whites in the country. UW-Madison has been the heart of socialist American since the 1920s and Minnesota has the only major Labor party in the country."

I don't think they would hold out very well against the Indianans, Ohioans, Michiganders, and down-state Illinoisans.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:45 PM  

... who pretty much detest everything the Minnesota Swedes stand for.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:48 PM  

@51

"In your mind is homesteading the equivalent of the welfare state?"

Homesteading typically involved getting a land grant. But that's ALL you got. And you were required to both live on the land and work the land, or else you would lose the grant. So, you had to build a cabin, and clear enough land to be able to have enough at least enough to farm for subsistance farming.

And of course, the only road around the property would be the one you, or you and your neighbor created. Mostly, paths just developed, and actual roads weren't built until the 1920s.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 07, 2018 7:50 PM  

107.
Consider genetic testing. You spit or place a used cheek swab in a vial and mail the ensemble using a preaddressed pouch. Weeks later you receive a report which purports to disclose your heritage. It's cheap by common standards and worthwhile. Multiple tests from different companies can give you very reliable understanding of your actual familial origins. Diseases too if you wish to go there. Here's a popular and relatively inexpensive company: https://www.23andme.com/

Blogger LogicTsunami July 07, 2018 7:54 PM  

Somewhat related to this topic: Christopher Langan temporarily banned from Facebook for controversial post. Linked from /pol/:

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/177002442/chris-langan-temporarily-banned-from-facebook

Blogger VD July 07, 2018 7:56 PM  

"Your family has been in America for 170 years, and your ancestors helped win the west and beat the Nazis and Japanese, but sorry we can't let you stay without opening the border to every Somali and Honduran who wants a welfare check"

If it were up to me, I'd say: "You can stay. You just can't vote anymore. And if you don't like that deal, you have to go back."

Seriously, who do you think opened up the floodgates? The sons of the original stock realized things had gotten out of hand and shut the gates in 1924, and it took the descendants of the newcomers 41 years to pry them open again.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:57 PM  

@52

"This is true, and more important than people realize. Until the Irish immigration of Wave 4b, each immigrant group had moved to the frontier and settled there. The Irish and the subsequent immigrants of Wave 5 tended to move into the major cities on the Eastern Seaboard, displace the original inhabitants, and set up "Little Foreign Country X" colonies. Assimilation was never thought of, only ethnic identity politics."

We must NEVER allow "Little X"s and "Xtowns" neighborhoods to be formed ever again. Immigration must be contingent on three things.

1 -- You are prohibited from settling in a city or suburb....we'll find some rural place where you have to make it on your own, AND become part of the American culture of your county.

2) The place in (1) is where you will stay for at least 10 years, or face immediate deportation. Immigration will make random checks to see that you are improving the property, not letting it fall into disrepair (and that means the land, too, not just the buildings).

3) Your children (or if you are single, you) are absolutely prohibited from marrying anyone from your same regional culture. And that includes native-borns here who descend from that same culture.

No more Little Italy
No more Chinatown
No more Poletown
No more Little Vietnam

All of that crapola needs to be destroyed.

And I say this from experience... My grandmother's step-mom, who died when I was 5 years old.... I never understood a word she said, and she never understood a word I said, because, for the entire 60+ years that she lived in the United States, she never bothered to learn English. She just moved from the Poletown of NYC, to the Poletown of Albany, NY, to the Poletown of Detroit (Hamtramck).

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 07, 2018 7:59 PM  

I don't think they would hold out very well against the Indianans, Ohioans, Michiganders, and down-state Illinoisans.

You don't even need to do that. The Leftist cities can be easily starved out if need be. Deny them their food trucks and they'll fall.

The problem with a war between the Left and Right isn't just guns. The Left has steel and concrete, but the Right has farmlands.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 7:59 PM  

@53

"I've always despised the "seeking a better life" justification, as if the rapid elevation of standard of living was something to be found lying there. To give it lip service is to reject the basic notions of privacy or property."

Before we started giving welfare to immigrants, for every 3 that arrived, 2 realized they couldn't hack it and went back.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 8:00 PM  

@54

"Without directing me to the obvious "Revolution of 1848" wikipedia site, do you have a source for most of the 1848 (and presumably later) Germans immigrants being failed revolutionaries? It seems fantastic that the Germans would let them go, and equally fantastic that the US would let them in."

They weren't "let go," they were fleeing prosecution for their treason.

Blogger Cubby8126 July 07, 2018 8:02 PM  

113. Thank you much!

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 8:05 PM  

@61

"The cowboy gaudy outfits were essentially German and many of the cowboys spoke German."

Good observation. Those old cowboy shirts remind me of traditional men's shirts of the Germans, Poles, and Czechs.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 8:08 PM  

@62

"I don't think I even know any White Americans my age that aren't Euro-mutts."

when people ask me what I am, I reply, "standard American mutt"

Amish/Scottish/Lithuanian/Ruthenian

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 8:12 PM  

@65

"
Indeed. Here we are. We have so many euro-mutts from generations ago there's no place for them to go back to anymore. There are basically three sandbars in our demographic heritage:

-pre-65
-pre-Ellis Island
-pre-Irish Potato Famine."

You left one out that has had a huge and extremely detrimental impact on our culture, legal system, and government (and in fact, the cause of 1965-present situation):

-pre-65
-(((pre-WW2 refugees)))
-pre-Ellis Island
-pre-Irish Potato Famine.

Blogger tublecane July 07, 2018 8:16 PM  

Can we round up 30 million Africans, dump them in Mexico, and test AMLO's commitment to their human rights?

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 8:45 PM  

Johnny wrote:

" The cowboy gaudy outfits were essentially German and many of the cowboys spoke German."

Maybe I got it wrong, but I believe they were Spanish.


Open range, roaming cattle ranching was Spanish. The horses saddles were Spanish, but the cowboy dress was pure German. Vests and shirts, dungarees and boots, and felt hats is traditional folk dress for Germans... Along with the noisy women.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 07, 2018 8:45 PM  

124.
No we can't. Current Mexican territory is too close. There must be something else we can do to remove them from concern. Invoke your inner creativity.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 8:45 PM  

@DraveckysHumerous

You're from around Detroit?

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 8:46 PM  

tublecane wrote:Can we round up 30 million Africans, dump them in Mexico, and test AMLO's commitment to their human rights?

That is the best idea I have heard all week.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 8:48 PM  

@71

You are too kind.


"At this point, a simple "Because Fuck You." ought to suffice.

I personally don't see the need to justify ejecting someone from my living room when they show up uninvited.....and came in through the window... in the middle of the night... without ever knocking on the front door... and insists that he be given half the food in the refrigerator AND has a right to one of the rooms in the house.

TFIFY

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 8:53 PM  

lynnjynh9315 wrote:I don't think they would hold out very well against the Indianans, Ohioans, Michiganders, and down-state Illinoisans.

You don't even need to do that. The Leftist cities can be easily starved out if need be. Deny them their food trucks and they'll fall.

The problem with a war between the Left and Right isn't just guns. The Left has steel and concrete, but the Right has farmlands.


People can make it without food for weeks at a time. They would not like it, but they could.

None of the major cities have their own electric power plants and none of them have their own water. Cut off the water and the electricity and they will expire in a few days. Set a few fires so they will use up what little water they have stored. Set your watch.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 07, 2018 8:54 PM  

127.
No. I was raised in western michigan dutch reformed territory. I did spend approximately a decade in Ann Arbor though while at university (Michigan). I count among personal friends Judge Raymond Kethledge and otherwise have connections to greater detoilet. I live near the second city comedy in chicago across from the park and lake.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 9:00 PM  

@72

"...and the British descendants allowed it to happen, just as modern British peoples are allowing it to happen today. Heck, it's a practice that started before the country even began. Pennsylvania was, de facto, a German colony by the ratification of the Constitution but it was admitted as a full blown state - the second, in fact - in 1787 all the same. Clearly the founders were either hard up for support for their fledgling Republic, or they didn't really care that the area was heavily German. So if Germans destroyed the American identity, they did so before the country even existed."

The Germans of Pennsylvania were travelling across the Atlantic in 40-foot long sailboats, and as dependent upon the captain finding the west-bound current more than anything else to get here.

The Germans of 1848 came here because they had committed treason for an insane ideology(*) and came here by much quicker, and safer means of travel -- ships driven by steam engine, which have a much greater ability to steer both around a storm, and, if caught in one, to steer into the direction of the waves (which is the safest direction to point the bow of a ship), which is usually impossible for a sailing ship, because usually that requires sailing directly into the wind.

Also a lot of the 1848-50's Germans came here for another reason: The California Gold Rush. And most brought along a mentality of if I succeed, I keep everything, if I don't, then the community should pay for my upkeep(**). Fortunately, most communities didn't, and many got shipped back to Germany.


(*) one which was ALREADY a proven failure at both the Jamestown and Plimouth Plantation colonies -- resulting in mass starvation, and replacement of leadership at the point of firearms, both being replaced with barter/market/trade based systems which produced massive surpluses, bringing about trade with the local native tribes.

(**) Just like the Wall Street Banks and their view that their Profits are Private, but their losses are Public expenses.

Blogger Garuna July 07, 2018 9:10 PM  

The true America really is dead. Just look at all the "nationalists" here pushing the proposition nation meme.

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 9:19 PM  

Red Bane wrote:Wasn't Ireland under British rule at the time of settlement? Were they Irish not members of her majesty forces and roayl subjects, and part of the original influx in the 1600s? How do the Scots fair in this debate? They seem to get forgotten but also are not English but also came in the first waves before independence

Thank you. That is exactly the reason the Germans in the USA claim to be the largest ethnic group. They dis-aggregate every ethnic group in the British Isles, conveniently ignoring that the United Kingdom has been around for a very long time and existed when the American colonies were being formed. They insist on separating the English from the Welsh from the Cornish from the Scots from the Irish and then claim that there really are not many English in the USA.

Then they aggregate all of the Germanic ethnic groups to claim that German is the largest ethnic group in the USA. A claim that is pure baloney, since Germany did not even exist as a nation until Bismark consolidated fifty odd principalities and dukedoms with the Prussian state and called it Germany. It did not include Austria, which was part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, but they count the Austrians as Germans when they arrive in the USA....along with all those Baltic peoples, who never thought of themselves as German.

So you are correct. It is dishonest and incorrect to aggregate all the Germans (who never were) and dis-aggregate all the British ethnics (who should be counted as the same nationality).

Blogger Lord Pork July 07, 2018 9:29 PM  

Vox isn't even white which makes his concerns pointless.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 07, 2018 9:35 PM  

135.
Your fallacy is readily comprehensible to most anybody who posts here. The ilk. Why don't you just stop by and review for a while. A friendly suggestion.

Blogger DonReynolds July 07, 2018 9:40 PM  

@112 Dirk Manly

"And of course, the only road around the property would be the one you, or you and your neighbor created. Mostly, paths just developed, and actual roads weren't built until the 1920s."

The original US Constitution provided for the building of "post offices and post roads", but these were very minimal in the early days. In many states they were plank roads, made of wood boards. That is why one of the central themes of all of American political history was the constant tug of war for and against "internal improvements". (The other central theme was hard money vrs paper currency.)

The state of Oklahoma is the most forward-looking I have ever known of or visited. The state constitution reserved a 15 foot strip of land on either side of all section lines in the entire state as public property for roads. I never saw that anywhere else. That did not mean that roads were built along all section lines (which were perpendicular intersecting and a mile apart), but it meant that they could, without acquiring additional land.

Blogger English Tom July 07, 2018 9:44 PM  

@Dire Badger

Marx and Trotsky were (((white))).

FIFY

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 07, 2018 10:08 PM  

The true America really is dead. Just look at all the "nationalists" here pushing the proposition nation meme.

Vox isn't even white which makes his concerns pointless.


I think this is Vox's point: American identity is dead. Even without non-whites, there will still be Anglo-America, Scots-America, German-America, Scand-America, Cajun-America, etc.

This is the source of the problem. Even whites are not homogenous. The United States is dead, it's just a matter of what new nations the fragments will form into. No one group is going to win it all....

Blogger tz July 07, 2018 10:15 PM  

The parasites are seeking a better host.
The Paris-ites might not keep the lights on for long.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 10:51 PM  

@74

"Countless people see the Puritans as on the Right, but even as a teen I knew they were Left wing extremists."

And there's a reason the Puritans left England -- NOBODY wanted to live around them.

The Salem Witch Trials and modern day SJWism are remarkably similar.

Not only that, but they were LAZY lefties. (I know, that's redundant).

(*)Look at Plimouth Plantation. They had the same charter as the one that failed at Jamestown -- 100% sharing of everything -- which caused Jamestown to be poverty stricken for years, and the only thing that kept if from collapsing was the arrival of more colonists to replace those who were dying (mostly from starvation and malnutrition) almost as fast as new colonists arrived. Finally, the the Jamestowners elected Captain Smith to depose the leadership (who were privately hoarding everything, while the rest of the colony literally starved), and who Smith forced out at gunpoint; they left the colony and were never heard from again.

Back to the Puritans --
And here we see the typical SJW-style incompetence play out.

Rather than leave Europe in early or mid-Spring, the Mayflower didn't leave London until July 22, and then waited for Speedwell from the Netherlands to join up to sail together. They left on Aug 5, with only 6 weeks of summer remaining. Speedwell sprang a leak, so they sailed BACK to England for repairs. Sailing out once again, the two ships travelled 200-300 miles past Land's End (the eastern-most point of England) and Speedwell started taking on water again. So BOTH ships sailed back again.

By this time, they should have figured out some way of waiting out the winter in England. 11 idiots transferred from Speedwell to Mayflower, while the rest of Speedwells passengers wisely decided to spend the winter in London.

But on the advice of absolutely NOBODY, I'm quite sure, the passengers of the Mayflower insisted on heading for North America right then, ans so, Mayflower finally left Plymouth, England on Sept 6 -- with 15 days of summer remaining.

Now, for some reason, they decided to sail directly across the ocean, rather than picking up the westward Trade Winds, which, combined with the west-bound current there, would have got them across the ocean in warmer weather, less time away from any coasts, and able to come at Plymouth Company's charter area from the South, and just drift up the coast with the current (these currents and winds were already known by this time, as ships had been sailing back and forth from mainland Europe for over 100 years already). So they sight land at Cape Cod.... well north of their intended destination, on Nov 9. They try to sail south (against the Gulf Stream). Utter failure. So the crew drops anchor at Cape Cod. Only then do they ask the question -- "How will we govern ourselves?" So they spend all day debating and writing the Mayflower Compact, and then sign it.

16 days later, despite it not being his duty, the Mayflower's Master goes out on a search expedition to find a suitable place to start a settlement.... because he considered it in his and his crew's best interest, so they can get the hell back to England before winter really sets in. They find an abandoned native town, and find some mounds with corn stored inside.. Do they say, hey, here's a place that's built, and there's some food? No. Instead, they get the crew to spend several weeks sailing around the coast, looking for more food-storage mounds (pissing off the local tribes, because some of the mounds were burial mounds, and because the natives had stored that food for themselves)

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 10:52 PM  

(continued)



Now, with only 2 colonies in that entire expance .. the Jamestown Colony, and the Popham colony in Maine... they didn't see any safe spaces, and so continued to drift northward until entering what we now know as Cape Cod.

So, by now, it's January. The crew is utterly pissed because the Puritans refuse to get off the boat. They're running out of food. There's an outbreak of scurvy.
And pneumonia.
And Tuberculosis.

Half of the Puritans die, and half of the ship's crew dies as well.

Finally, the Puritans disembark on March 21.

The remaining crewmen were overjoyed.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 10:56 PM  

"After all, that is the proposition under which you think you are entitled to stay in the country, right?

Maybe if the Germans, Irish, and Italians had actually appropriated WASP culture, things wouldn't be so bad. But we didn't any more than Particular Individuals Of Color did. So maybe worry about cleaning your own nation's room before you start declaring your 'right' to live in WASP America.

The only white immigrants with any claim to be here are those who are loyal to the original intent of the Constitution. Everyone else has betrayed their naturalization oath and by rights should be sent back. I am 0% posterity but 100% loyal, and I have no interest in permitting German, Irish, Italian, or Nordic values to exercise influence in America. When all this is said and done, if I'm asked to go back, I'll still be proud to have fought for the American political ideal, which is in fact worth dying for."

Being about half and half, I consider it my DUTY of living here to utterly defend the founder's intent.

27 years service. Three deployments. Aching to be deployed to the Mexican border and actually defend the country proper.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 07, 2018 11:09 PM  

142.
Interestingly, Martin The Armenian, original Jamestown Colony beekeep who introduced both the european honeybee and eastern silkworm to what would become the usa, survived to enjoy a natural life span. By percentage, puritans therefore lost out to armenians in forming the base for america. Armenians belong here.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 11:09 PM  

@113

" Here's a popular and relatively inexpensive company: https://www.23andme.com/"

23 and me lies.

Every Chromosome has 2 parts... a strand from the mother, and a strand from the father, making 46 individual strands, each of which, although mutable, can be considered "atomic" -- they don't get broken down any farther as far as genetics are concerned.

1/46 = 2.1739 %

And yet, 23andME routinely sends out reports saying that you are ... X% foo Y% bar Z% bat and 1% African.

How exactly does 23andMe propose that you inherited 45% of one strand from an African?

They're nothing more than an SJW propaganda outfit.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 07, 2018 11:18 PM  

@131

"No. I was raised in western michigan dutch reformed territory."

My sister-in-law is from there.

"I did spend approximately a decade in Ann Arbor though while at university (Michigan)"

Growing up, I always wanted to go to U of M... Primarily because I liked UofM football, and listening to Bob Ufer.

But when push came to shove, Purdue gave me more opportunities. And talking to friends who went to UofM Ann Arbor, Purdue has a better atmosphere. (One who attended UofM and started grad at Purdue my last year there said it was such a relief not to have to look around to see who's in the vacinity before telling a joke.)

Blogger Jack Amok July 07, 2018 11:20 PM  

You left one out that has had a huge and extremely detrimental impact on our culture...

I count them in with the Ellis Islanders, but they are the worst of the lot. Also, they authored the damn poem.

Blogger tublecane July 07, 2018 11:47 PM  

@139- Heritage American identity is all but dead. The U.S. is something different, however, and has been prosperous and powerful in the past with a conglomeration of largely European identities in competition with eachother. Not built to last forever, but at least better than post-'65 America.

This was for a long while guided by a self-conscious WASP ruling-class. Which may be the necssary missing factor now. But putting ethnicity aside for the moment, the U.S. has gone through at least two major regime changes since its founding.

I despise the New Deal revolution and 20th-century Consensus Liberalism. But the U.S. under them was still a stable government, with different population groups in some kind of balance. It wasn't an ethnostate, and had lost track of its nationhood, but it wasn't necessarily headed for disaster.

We could still have a country with assorted with mutts, if not a real nation.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas July 08, 2018 1:20 AM  

@65:

I don't even see the point in arguing about German homesteaders and Irish Catholics while women and (((non-Christians))) can still vote.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 08, 2018 1:45 AM  

146.
Chief legal counsel for Cray Inc. is a Purdue grad, former accoladed Boeing aerospace engineer, and a close personal friend dating from our mutual childhoods on. He chose full ride Purdue over full ride Michigan. Apparently there is an undiagnosed virus out there or something ;>) Because Michigan! (gulp)

Blogger Bobiojimbo July 08, 2018 2:49 AM  

All of this discussion of Germans, and I now know why Benjamin Franklin was concerned about German becoming the official language.

Not all games are zero-sum games, this is true. What is abundantly clear, thanks to Vox's posts, and all of your discussions, is that immigration is a zero-sum game.

Thank you.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 08, 2018 3:17 AM  

Y'know, that crack dealer outside the middle school is just seeking a better life for his family.

That junkie in the squatter camp is just seeking a better life.

That professional burglar is just seeking a better life through the sale of your property.

That mugger in the alley is just trying to make ends meet.

The rapist is just trying to improve his sex life.

Dr. Jones' life is so much better since he killed his wife.

Hey, she really needed that half million dollars, and her employer won't even notice it's missing.

VA administrator is a tough job, and her life is so much better without having to deal with those pesky vets.

There is no misbehavior, sin, or crime that cannot be covered by that excuse.

Blogger Insight July 08, 2018 3:39 AM  

The US from the beginning tried to be too much for too many different people. It's ironic that the rest of the world which is more Socialist AND more homogeneous than the US claims the US is for everybody (prequal to NWO?) It's amazing the US experiment has managed to go this long with such dissimilarities but no surprise it wouldn't last very long.

In animal breeding and material science you combine different breeds and substances to hopefully produce one with better characteristics, those dominant and desired characteristics will hopefully work together. But if you over do it your potpourri will probably be something not very useful.

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Blogger Insight July 08, 2018 3:45 AM  

Daniel 2:43

Blogger Insight July 08, 2018 3:56 AM  

To use the Middle Earth analogy what would happen if you combined and orc, human, elf throw in some goblin or werewolf? Such a creature would not fit in anywhere and probably be insane.

Blogger Insight July 08, 2018 4:02 AM  

"The US from the beginning tried to be too much for too many different people."

And then morphed into the framework for the NWO. Remember the EU is a CYA creation. The EU is the US writ large and Brussels is the District of Columbia 2.0.

Blogger tublecane July 08, 2018 4:45 AM  

@153- We were supposed to listen to men like Lothrop Stoddard, but that went out of fashion and we went to our doom because our mighty civilization had built a bouncy cushion that it allowed us to forget reality exists.

Blogger tublecane July 08, 2018 4:59 AM  

@158- "The EU is the U.S. writ large"

That's the metaphor they like to use, but despite some multiethnic mixture in the Founding Stock and some diversity of religion, philosophy, and politics amongst the colonies, they were all guided by English traditions, English history, and English culture. As well as their own local and regional American yet English-derived traditions.

The colonies weren't like France, Germany, England, and so forth, united by nothing but the fact that they were all once part of Christendom and ethnic/racial similarities. Plus some overlapping political, historical, and cultural ties. But not enough to make them a nation like Heritage America was.

To be fair, we had our radicals, our Enlightened folk, our philosophes Cyril off from tradition, or wishing to view themselves that way. Which bear some resemblance (may even have actual historical ties) to the internationalist culture (if you want to call it that) of the NWO elite. However, post-WWII universalism is thin gruel compared to 18-century whigishness.

Blogger Attila is my bro July 08, 2018 6:18 AM  

The Huns arrived in Europe around 400 AD and Hungary was established about 1000 AD. Half a millennia indeed.

Blogger Attila is my bro July 08, 2018 6:32 AM  

"which is usually impossible for a sailing ship, because usually that requires sailing directly into the wind."

With the wind. One storm sail and let 'er fly with the wind.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 08, 2018 7:46 AM  

https://infogalactic.com/info/Family_of_Donald_Trump

Eventually, someone will have tell God-Emporer: "You have to go back."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 08, 2018 9:17 AM  

Smell that smell? Remember that stench. That is the stink of HERESY!

Blogger Good Will July 08, 2018 9:20 AM  

I'm in tears, Bobo! Too funny!

Blogger Heterodox July 08, 2018 10:19 AM  

Chicago controls its own water supply. Cut off the food and power, however, and the blacks will destroy the place.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2018 2:09 PM  

@116 Dirk Manly 1

-- You are prohibited from settling in a city or suburb....we'll find some rural place where you have to make it on your own, AND become part of the American culture of your county.
---

Your recipe for ruining the last place white people can escape enrichment.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 4:06 PM  

@162

"With the wind. One storm sail and let 'er fly with the wind."

the wind at your back in rough seas is almost as dangerous as having the sees come at you broadside.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 4:16 PM  

@167

"Your recipe for ruining the last place white people can escape enrichment."

Not if the foreigner is the only one for 100 miles in all directions...

The foreigner either learns to conform, or ... well, we don't know what happened to them... haven't seen them since a year or so after they moved here....

Rural people have much more opportunity available to deal with problem people than city people do.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 4:26 PM  

And remember, the foreigner isn't some African or Bindi or Arab

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 4:26 PM  

or other member of some incompatible culture

Blogger Thucydides July 08, 2018 6:05 PM  

In the short run, taxing remittances may be a great tactic. It provides revenues for the American government, while making it less attractive for illegal aliens and the nations which encourage illegal immigration.

And Mexico is hardly the only place where remittances go, the net can be cast much, much farther and wider than that. Think of it as payment for the wall, the tariff wars and all the other things that the American taxpayer is on the hook for presently.

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