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Sunday, July 22, 2018

Just an accident, I'm sure

It appears some people are getting increasingly desperate.
A U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter jet on Saturday intercepted a small plane near Donald Trump's private golf resort in New Jersey, where the president is currently staying.

Continental U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command said a "general aviation aircraft" entered a temporary restricted area "without proper clearances or communications" over Bedminster, N.J.

The plane landed without incident and the pilot was met by law enforcement officials.
I'm a bit dubious about that fatal "stroke" suffered by one of the President's secret service agents in Scotland as well.

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55 Comments:

Blogger Amy July 22, 2018 12:24 PM  

That would explain the sudden reroute and low altitude of passenger jets. They were flying lower over the yard all day, a rare occurrence even when a front is moving in.

Last time I noticed that many in either a reroute or a holding pattern over the house was 9/11.

Blogger Beans July 22, 2018 12:32 PM  

The previous occupant of the White House used to fly into Miami International about once a month, and stay for a couple hours, before flying back to Washington. Just having a President in town will screw up the air traffic control patterns. But they really shut them down for an hour before and after AF1 lands and takes off. So Barky was just totally messing up Mijami air space. Jerk.

As to the private pilot, it is difficult when flying VFR to know when an area is off limits. Happens all the time. Usually the pilot gets the point the first time a helo or fighter buzzes the plane. Even so, temporary to permanent suspension of a pilot's license can, and usually does, occur. Totally sucks to be him.

Like you, I am also wondering about the 'sudden stroke' story. It does happen, even in healthy people under a lot of stress, but still...

Blogger Michael Maier July 22, 2018 12:37 PM  

I seem to remember planes violating airspace pretty often in Bush II's time in office, too.

What is suspicious about the "stroke"?

Blogger kmbr July 22, 2018 12:51 PM  

--and stay for a couple hours--
Coca connection?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 22, 2018 12:53 PM  

One of those crop duster pilots from the Northern Illinois area recounted an Obama era story of just getting in his plane and scooting about willy nilly to some job when he looked to his side to see the Airforce on his wing.

Blogger Dave July 22, 2018 1:03 PM  

Not the first time and probably won't be the last:

Previous TFRs in this region have resulted in numerous airspace violations. We need your help in getting the word out: Please pass this information along to as many pilots and aviation professionals as possible

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2018/Jul/180720-180722_Bedminster_TFR_Alert_Handout.pdf

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 22, 2018 1:12 PM  

Well whether this was one or not, there's no legitimate doubt whatsoever that multiple assassinations have already been attempted, even within his first month of office.

Blogger Lazarus July 22, 2018 1:18 PM  

How did they let the motorized paraglider get so close at Trumps Scotland golf course AND escape with all the sniper's around?

You gotta know someone took note of that failure to act.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume July 22, 2018 1:31 PM  

I had not heard of the stroke until now. The agent was 42. It's not that strokes don't happen at 42. But come on.

Blogger Tom Bridgeland July 22, 2018 1:59 PM  

I work on a stroke unit. See it fairly often after about age 30, but particularly with habitual use of cigs and stimulant drugs. Starts getting common after about age 50, rarely for non-smokers, commonly for smokers. Some congenital heart conditions predispose.

Blogger Johnny Reb July 22, 2018 2:01 PM  

I suspect you're off on this one Vox. Probably VFR, didn't get a brief and stumbled into it. Happened in Seattle a few years ago. Guy came over the hills fat, dumb and happy when the bummer was here. Got himself an escort too. Not a watcher of legacy media I usually didn't know when the O' was coming back then. Hanger doors shut, nobody allowed rampside. Lucky I never got shot. Probably the same with this pilot. As to the secret service agent...I've worked with a few. Granted they were retired but Navy Seals they were not. Or I could be completely wrong...

Blogger Unknown July 22, 2018 2:01 PM  

General Aviation pilots probably don't get the NOTAMs like commercial pilots do. AF1 always has NOTAMS associated with it when it and its cargo support planes fly somewhere.

Freeways get shutdown for Presidents too. I remember the local TV in LA when O-Zero came to town, freeway traffic was snarled for *hours* after he left via AF1.

Blogger Dave July 22, 2018 2:20 PM  

Tom Bridgeland wrote:I work on a stroke unit. See it fairly often after about age 30, but particularly with habitual use of cigs and stimulant drugs. Starts getting common after about age 50, rarely for non-smokers, commonly for smokers. Some congenital heart conditions predispose.

How many are fatal at age 42? How many at that age drop dead from a stroke? Presumably, secret service agents in the same vicinity as the POTUS would have had near immediate top notch medical care and treatment available.

Blogger Johnny Reb July 22, 2018 2:20 PM  

I meant to amend that. Those folks I worked with while great people were some hard living individuals. Heavy drinking, heavy smoking, lots of stress, lots of hard living types. The kind of life Fred talks about as journo's then add the stress and crank it to 11.

Blogger Gen. Kong July 22, 2018 2:26 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:

I seem to remember planes violating airspace pretty often in Bush II's time in office, too.

What is suspicious about the "stroke"?


Far more suspicious than the stroke is the whole business of a 'Greenpeace activist' getting to within 20-30 yards of the Trump on a hang-glider, then escaping completely and not being arrested until hours after the fact. According to at least one account, the Cuck Island authorities (keep in mind that Cuck Island is a totalitarian police-state) gave permission for Mr. Hang-Glider but "forgot" to inform USSS. The whole story reeks. The stroke is actually the most plausible part of the tale, but it's certainly possible that the dead agent took a dart which was intended for Trump. Cuck Island has been completely ruled by the Body-Snatchers for a long time, so the Cabal and its lackeys have the run of everything there.

Blogger Chicago Robb July 22, 2018 2:51 PM  

Obama and Trump both are from large cities, in highly populated part of said cities. Because of that, they are both logistical nightmares for the Secret Service. For most of Obama's presidency, I was not living in the Chicago area so it did not affect me but, when the President is in town, expect inconveniences.
If so something were to happen to Trump and I pray nothing does, it would make the aftermath of JFK look quaint. In the Left's Fever dreams, they see President Pence selecting Cruella Von Pantsuit for VP and then resigning for "The Good of the Nation". I see a possible Civil War with the Left being marginalized. Then President Pence would be able to enact Trump's Agenda without interference and without Trump's Baggage.
Trump, unlike any President I could think of, ran for office at a huge personal cost. He put his fortune and his family on the line. I would even say his freedom as Hillary would have went after him with the full force of government for daring to go against her.

Blogger dienw July 22, 2018 3:23 PM  

I see a possible Civil War with the Left being marginalized. Then President Pence would be able to enact Trump's Agenda without interference and without Trump's Baggage.

Pence is to Trump as Bush was to Reagan.

Blogger Miguel July 22, 2018 3:25 PM  

Deep State warning?

Blogger Jakob Niedzwiecki July 22, 2018 3:34 PM  

If it's Deep State, it's Deep State panic, not warning. Had they the power and ability to "warn" the God-Emperor they would have already done so, and he would not be laughing in their faces and going even harder on the offensive than ever. Trump is a target, certainly, but his side is not the desperate one.

Blogger Stilicho July 22, 2018 4:01 PM  

Deep state failed to elect the Lizard Queen

Deep state failed to remove Trump from office

Deep state is failing to get demoncrats elected in 2018

Deep state is failing to stop Trump's picks for federal courts (especially supreme court_ from being confirmed

Deep state failed to prevent summit with Putin

Deep state failing to hide nefarious machinations of Clintons, Obamas, Comey, Lynch, Holder, Brennan, Clapper, Mueller, etc.

Deep state threatened with further exposures and loss of power, wealth, etc.

Deep state views this as existential threat

What will deep state do when blue wave doesn't materialize in November? What will deep state NOT try at that point?

Blogger stevev July 22, 2018 4:27 PM  

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Blogger stevev July 22, 2018 4:32 PM  

Hope I'm not showing complete idiocy here, but:
Is there any doubt about which way a Brexit re-referendum would go now?
Likewise, I don't have any doubt that there will be a massive Blue Wave.
Just hearing Hillary claim that if there isnt a Blue Wave it will be because Russia and Trump colluded to hack voting machines, tells me this is the Left's actual plan. And because their machinations never see the litigious light of day, they will commit massive voter fraud to ensure the Blue Wave.
Mindful of VD's admonition against needless(baseless?) Debbie-Downerism, I have no wish to dishearten the Ilk. I dont see enough cards falling into to place to engender confidence that there is a depth to which the Swamp will not go. And, hey, if voter fraud is what will clinch it, that's what will happen. What revelation about Cankles, or Rosenstein, or Strzok, or Comey's perfidy has resulted in any consequence or ever will?
Im a believer in Q, whose anxiety increases the closer mid-terms come with no successfully litigable discovery.

Blogger Levendis July 22, 2018 4:40 PM  

I'm sure you all noticed the paragliding "protester" that ambushed Trump in Scotland. Interesting timing huh?

Blogger James Dixon July 22, 2018 4:46 PM  

> And because their machinations never see the litigious light of day, they will commit massive voter fraud to ensure the Blue Wave.

There's one problem with that. Such voter fraud only works in areas that already overwhelmingly favor Democrats.

> I dont see enough cards falling into to place to engender confidence that there is a depth to which the Swamp will not go.

I have to agree with you there. There is no depth to which they won't sink. But short of assassination, their options are limited. And I'm pretty sure that's already been tried multiple times. All the evidence indicates Strzok was a lifelong CIA operative. When he said insurance policy, it meant exactly what you would have expected it to mean.

Blogger Hammerli280 July 22, 2018 4:52 PM  

As others have noted, this sort of thing happens. In theory, all pilots should check NOTAMs before takeoff. And you can sign up for notification services if you're an AOPA member. In practice...it can slip through. I'm a bit more sensitive to it, flying 60 miles from DC.

As for the election, kindly note that heavily redacted versions of the FISA warrant applications dropped last night. As suspected, the justification was paper-thin.

From my perspective, Trump has the justification to start hammering the Left. Not just on Twitter, but to make arrests. 18 USC Sections 2383 and 2384. Insurrection, rebellion, and seditious conspiracy. Plus some odd civil rights violations.

The questions are timing...and Trump's nerve.

Blogger Lovekraft July 22, 2018 4:56 PM  

If the horse and buggy can be replaced by new technology, is there really any reason to think the marxist religion of global warming, multiculturalism and homosexualism cannot also go the same way?

Blogger Mark Stoval July 22, 2018 5:09 PM  

@26

Yes, there is a reason to think that those secular religions will not to the way of the horse and buggy, or at least not easily. They are backed and promoted by Satan and the horse and buggy were not.

We confront an evil of immense proportions. May God help us all.

Blogger van helsing July 22, 2018 5:21 PM  

well, we discussed all this kind of stuff where i used to work, and it hinged on trump's nerve. he sure should have known going in that the second he declared, there was no turning back whatsoever. it would be a deep state war on him until one or both parties were dead, families included. / deepstate will really start dynamiting things, if they dont, before the election. pence is their insurance policy, as he is a bushbot. he isnt getting all the details trump is, and is compartmentalized. i did like it when he was sent out to the olympics to be a substitute "target". no one is going to fly a paraglider too close to him. / regarding voting machines and/or automatic counting, such machinery of one or both kinds exists in numerous states, not just blue states. more correct to say fraud is still more likely in heavily blue congressional districts. aim4truth.org has some rundowns on what states may have issues. over half of states have DRE (direct recording electronic) with and without paper trails. i am in MI, which says paper only. but the ballots go into a machine, which tells you what # of vote you were. maybe that machine counts too? not sure. all or heavy vote by mail is possibly fraudulent as well. and big cities and corrupt rural districts have done paper ballots by fraud. a good example is ballot box 13, which elected LBJ to congress, and was found out of his district, over in the county I grew up in, with like 600 voters registered by signature with the same handwriting. https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state

Blogger van helsing July 22, 2018 5:32 PM  

also see https://aim4truth.org/2018/07/21/lord-mark-malloch-brown-the-globalist-racketeer-kingpin-running-the-queens-privy-council-with-george-soros/

Blogger James Dixon July 22, 2018 5:41 PM  

> The questions are timing...and Trump's nerve.

The timing will be either after the likely government shutdown come September or after the elections if (as I expect) the blue wave fails to materialize.

> May God help us all.

He already has. Be ready to help.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( don't ask, "Who mentats the Mentats?", ask instead, "Who shitpoasts the Shitpoasters?" ) July 22, 2018 6:33 PM  

VD
Just an accident, I'm sure



airspace incursions happen around POTUS all the time when they're in metro areas. plenty of PPLs on VFR beboppin around, especially in Fla.

this certainly doesn't rise to the level of

https://infogalactic.com/info/Frank_Eugene_Corder

Blogger Unknown July 22, 2018 7:24 PM  

"The questions are timing...and Trump's nerve."

What you mean is the ONLY question is timing.

We know Trump's nerve, as there have likley been at least a half dozen [187] attempts.

As for the SS agent. their personal health is tested frequently---how frequently is classified. The least little tic in their system and they are OUT!

The innerwebz says he died in the line of duty protecting FLOTUS>

Blogger Dirk Manly July 22, 2018 7:25 PM  

@4

"--and stay for a couple hours--
Coca connection?"

Not a bad guess. Some Obama administration employees have made public statements that the cocaine and other illicit substances were as available as drinking water in the White House.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 22, 2018 7:43 PM  

@16

"If so something were to happen to Trump and I pray nothing does, it would make the aftermath of JFK look quaint. In the Left's Fever dreams, they see President Pence selecting Cruella Von Pantsuit for VP and then resigning for "The Good of the Nation". I see a possible Civil War with the Left being marginalized. Then President Pence would be able to enact Trump's Agenda without interference and without Trump's Baggage."

If Trump is assassinated, I see a civil war ending with every house where a car has even one lefty bumper sticker ("Wouldn't it be great if the Air Force had to have a bake sale?") becoming a kill zone with all of the occupants executed on the premisis. In bed. In the shower, in the living room, whatever.

The left won't be marginalized -- they don't have the firepower, or the logistics to even survive. The cops hate them. The Army hates them. The Marine Corps hates them. And while the enlisted in the Air Force are kind of wobbly, the pilots (all officers) aren't going to give the left free rides to safety. The only military and para-military that the left can even hope to help them are the Navy, some Park Rangers, and Child Protective Services.

Blogger Riejun July 22, 2018 7:48 PM  

These is a bad assumption that the USSS (among others) has carte blanche when visiting a foreign nation. There is A LOT of negotiation between USG and host country on what USSS, DSS, and DoD can/cannot do, bring, use, etc... Anecdotally (I haven’t worked protection in the UK), the Brits are notorious for being a pain in the ass and not allowing USG the full complement of US assets when we are conducting PRS in the UK. Their claim is they will provide everything. In reality, they don’t want US assets running fully capable operations in their country. The true reason is open for debate.

So there is a strong chance USSS and DoD didn’t have their full compliment of weapons/equipment/options in Scotland. There SHOULD be an inquiry into what actually happened... another windmill for Judicial Watch or someone else to FOIA the AAR and “advance report” for that venue/incident.

As far as the stroke, no info either way. PRS is stressful, a lot of long hours, bad food, little sleep, little chance to exercise, etc...

Blogger Salt July 22, 2018 8:13 PM  

There should be an App for that you'd think.

Blogger Brett baker July 22, 2018 8:14 PM  

Define "safety". Offering free rides is the best thing the Air Force could do to leftists. Air Pinochet of America.

Blogger Brett baker July 22, 2018 8:14 PM  

Define "safety". Offering free rides is the best thing the Air Force could do to leftists. Air Pinochet of America.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 22, 2018 8:22 PM  

Quick drop in on a coke & foam party.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 22, 2018 8:24 PM  

Thanks for putting that new fear into my head. How common are we talking about, after 50, and what's the survival rate? Or, do I not want to know?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 22, 2018 8:28 PM  

The chance that Neocon, uber-cucked, SUPER PHILO-SEMITE, Churchian Mike Pence would enact ANY part of Trump's agenda-.03%

Blogger Hammerli280 July 22, 2018 8:43 PM  

@34 Dirk Manly: If you think the Navy is going to help Leftists in any way other than deportation to the bottom of the sea, you have another think coming.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 22, 2018 8:45 PM  

@37

"Define "safety". Offering free rides is the best thing the Air Force could do to leftists. Air Pinochet of America."

See, I specified that the USAF pilots wouldn't offer the left free rides to safety.

They may very well offer them free-rides that end with walking the plank out the back end of a C-130 or C-5... and might even advertise them as flights "to safety"...

But that's not what my initial condition specified (i.e. some level assistance which would help the left survive the civil war).

Blogger Dirk Manly July 22, 2018 8:48 PM  

@42
" If you think the Navy is going to help Leftists in any way other than deportation to the bottom of the sea, you have another think coming."

Good to know. Of all the prior-service leftists I know, while they aren't a lot, 90% are ex-navy.

Jimmy Carter being the most glaring example.

Blogger KBuff July 22, 2018 9:09 PM  

I question the stroke story as well. 42 years old, five years as a Marine before joining USSS 19 years ago, apparently in good shape. Possible, of course, but like everything else that has happened lately, I don't take it at face value.

Blogger Tom Bridgeland July 22, 2018 9:10 PM  

@40 re strokes: If you don't smoke or do hard drugs, probably not much to worry about. If you truly are concerned, get an echo-cardiogram done to see if you have an extra hole in your heart. At that age that's the main worry.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 22, 2018 9:46 PM  

I totally agree. He didn't die of natural causes.

Maybe his last words, as falling to the deck after taking the dart meant for the God Empress, were "Avenge me, God Emperor!"

Blogger Matamoros July 22, 2018 11:01 PM  

Off topic. Vox, what's your opinion of this, for real, or trolling by feds?

A republican citizenry’s greatest, last-resort duty is to kill those seeking to impose tyranny

https://dailystormer.name/stormer-volume-48-former-senior-cia-official-calls-for-racial-holy-war/

Blogger Dirk Manly July 22, 2018 11:26 PM  

@48

Sit tight. Wait, watch.

Regardless of what you think of the Civil War, remember this: John Brown was executed for going all in on what was U.S. Government policy only a few years later.

Blogger weka July 22, 2018 11:55 PM  

The violence is more likely to take out civilians. Another shooting in Toronto. https://twitter.com/Patricia_J/status/1021231483363766272?s=19

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 23, 2018 12:28 AM  

The Gaily Stormer is entirely fake news and manipulation. It only ever prints anything true by accident or mistake.

Blogger SirHamster July 23, 2018 1:02 AM  

Michael Maier wrote:What is suspicious about the "stroke"?

Because Trump's enemies are Deep State, and there are too many strange deaths going around.

If he died because of some foiled assassination op that Trump does not want to broadcast, what would we be told differently?

One can default to the most innocent plausible explanation, but that's ignoring the world context we have now with PizzaGate and QAnon.

Blogger Beans July 23, 2018 2:02 AM  

#45

Strokes and aneurysms happen to healthy people as well as unhealty people. And it is not an unknown problem amongst power lifters, either, even amongst the lifters who do not use performance enhancing products.

As to being on a protective detail, I've seen it age people pretty darned quick. Lots and lots of stress, and the protector is only off-duty when he/she is home and even then there's that little nag in the back of one's head in the good protectors. The really good ones get rotated to training or less stressful positions on a regular basis. That type of mental stress will put physical stress on weakened blood vessels (which can and often are a hereditary problem) and a spike in bp will cause vessels to blow. There aren't many tests, as far as I know, that actually allow the medicos to reliably predict that one has weak spots in one's blood vessels. Family history, which the USSS checks, is about the most reliable predictor, or used to be, from what I heard back in the days.

Strokes and Aneurysms happen. One can do things to help reduce the chance of them happening (like not straining too hard when taking a poop, really, dying of a stroke from pooping is a real thing) but that is all one is doing, reducing the chance. If a weak spot exists, it exists and the person most likely won't ever know about it until it blows. Which, if you think about it, blows also.

Mother Nature sucks the big one. She's always thinking up new and unusual ways to slab us.

Blogger Freddy July 23, 2018 3:31 AM  

Pedo Pence

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion July 23, 2018 7:56 AM  

You know Jimmy Carter?

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