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Wednesday, July 18, 2018

Will Boris deal the coup de grace?

Tereason May is still desperately trying to remaining standing in the breach to prevent Brexit:
Theresa May was barracked by Tory Eurosceptics at PMQs today as she fights to hold her party together.

The Prime Minister was goaded by backbencher Andrea Jenkyns over when she decided that 'Brexit means Remain'.

But amid jeers in the Commons a clearly stung Mrs May hit back that she was still committed to leaving the EU and wanted a 'workable' solution.

The clashes, at a raucous last questions session before the summer recess, came after Mrs May narrowly fended off a potentially existential challenge to her negotiating strategy last night.

However, there is little sign of the pressure easing, as Boris Johnson is preparing to unleash a devastating resignation statement in the House later.
The woman clearly isn't going to accept the very clear message that has been sent to her by her party. They're going to have to drag her kicking and screaming from Number 10. So dignified! What an embarrassment she has turned out to be.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn is standing stronger against The Lobby than the U.S. Congress or the South Carolina legislature by refusing to redefine "anti-semitism" to the liking of a crazy Jewish Member of Parliament. It's interesting to observe that even on the verge of being kicked out of the Prime Ministership, Theresa May is more concerned about the Jewish nation than she is about the British nation.
Theresa May today tore into Jeremy Corbyn for refusing to use the international definition of anti-Semitism to tackle racism in his party.

The Prime Minister said religious leaders have warned he is sending a 'message of contempt' to the Jewish community.

And in a fiery tirade against the Labour leader, she said that 'anti-Semitism is racism -  you should accept that.'

Her stern rebuke in their weekly PMQs clash came after a veteran Jewish Labour MP accused her leader of being a 'f***ing anti-Semite and a racist' in a tense clash last night.

Dame Margaret Hodge tore into Mr Corbyn after a tense Labour NEC meeting where senior party figures refused to adopt the definition. The row came after the party’s leadership decided not to accept the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-Semitism – in defiance of Jewish leaders and its own MPs.

Labour instead updated its code of conduct to state that anti-Semitism is ‘racism’ and ‘unacceptable’, stopping short of several examples of anti-Semitism according to the IHRA definition, such as accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country.
No matter what their heritage, the People of the Lie always attempt to render the truth illegal and deserving of persecution. That is a reliable sign that they serve their Father the Devil.

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85 Comments:

Blogger Antony July 18, 2018 8:48 AM  

Maybe slightly OT - but when is a decent publishing house going to bring out a good translation of Solzhenitsin's "Two Hundred Years Together" ? - I think it would have great impact on the West due to the standing of the author.

Blogger The Kurgan July 18, 2018 8:52 AM  

Yup. As I think I told you at Gamergate Paris, my definition of who is on my side or not is to simply take note of who lies. When. About what. And when possible to figure out, why.

Of course, with SJWs the “why” is often simply called “habit”.

Blogger Sherwood family July 18, 2018 8:52 AM  

Good grief. I don't much care for Corbyn but honestly, the whole anti-Semitism thing has jumped the shark. As the saying goes: "We used to say an anti-Semite was someone who hated Jews. Now it is someone that Jews hate."

I believe there is real and virulent anti-Semitism. I also believe that much of what is called "anti-Semitism" these days is nothing of the kind.

If disagreeing with the actions of a Jewish organization, of the government of Israel, or the opinions of a particular Jew on policy is equal to anti-Semitism then the concept has no use except as a cudgel to beat people with.

In which case it is well on the way to becoming a raison d'etre for real, virulent, pogrom throwing, old-timey anti-Semitism with all the fixin's.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 18, 2018 8:59 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:In which case it is well on the way to becoming a raison d'etre for real, virulent, pogrom throwing, old-timey anti-Semitism with all the fixin's.

If the Jews wanted to be hated, what more could they do? Of course they want a pogrom: hating and being hated is a strategy that has worked for 2,000 years to keep Jews from assimilating.

Blogger Azimus July 18, 2018 9:15 AM  

Her solution to Brexit reminds me of Austria's solution to one of the stipulations of the Versailles treaty: that Austria and Germany could NOT combine into a pan-German state. Austria's solution to this was to build a parallel state where I can point to the Army as an example: if the reorganized German Army had 50 regiments in it, the Austrians simply began numbering their regiments at 51, 52, etc.

As I recall, in the Aschluss Austria was absorbed into Germany more or less in one day. I'm sure there was some squabbling about which sort of hats the policemen were supposed to wear and I'm guessing Austrians weren't super-cool with some of the anti-religious laws of the nsdap, but a majority of the population was in favor of Anschluss, and the event was basically seamless and instant, and Theresa May is setting up the EXACT. SAME. THING. in the UK.

So don't settle for it Brits, if you're not huge fans of the nsdap.

Blogger Al July 18, 2018 9:21 AM  

Antony, you're quite right. A quality hard copy of Solzhenitsyn's Two Hundred Years Together must be published in English. The Occidental Observer site has promoted a certain website on this. See this post on The Occidental Observer site:

English Translation of Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s “200 Years Together”

But it must also be published in a good hard copy.

And we must never forget what Solzhenitsyn told the American hero David Duke about the perfidious Jews:

"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over
Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated
Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered
millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the 'Russian Revolution.' It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the
entirety of human history. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators."

-Quoted in The Secret Behind Communism, by David Duke

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 18, 2018 9:23 AM  

Watching the masks fall like dominoes has been an educational aspect of the Trump presidency.

Blogger Patrikbc July 18, 2018 9:31 AM  

“The American hero David Duke”.....I’m gonna need a bigger palm.

Blogger Al July 18, 2018 9:48 AM  

Patrikbc, I know what you mean. I too used to be a pitiful cuckservative. As such, I would have thought it wild to see David Duke called an American hero. However, once I started swallowing the red pill I also started actually listening to and reading David Duke and thus bypassing the propaganda of the fakestream media. I encourage you to do the same. You'll then, if you're properly disposed to see, understand that David Duke is indeed a great American hero.

Speaking of the media, 90% of today's media should be publicly executed. I'd settle for permanent exile to inner Antarctica. Healing will be possible only when today's cancerous media is cut out of the body politic.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 9:54 AM  

@9 Al

/facepalm

You are in error, as you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God.

The Jewish people are not cursed, never have been, and never will be. And you should be quite grateful that it's not so.

cf. Numbers 22-24 and Romans 11

Blogger Phillip George July 18, 2018 9:56 AM  

Broken Arrow.
The parliament needs to call in ordinance on their own positions.

Jailing political dissidents doesn't work. Even Hillary knew better than May.

Tommy Robinson for Prime Minister. Her Majesty needs a defender of the Faith, or at least an 'enemy of my enemies'

Blogger Patrikbc July 18, 2018 10:00 AM  

Cool story bro, Your swallowing Something red alright. Alphagame is calling you, run along.

Blogger Amy July 18, 2018 10:00 AM  

Respectfully, Rabbi B, I ask: are there Jews and then (((Jews)))?

I.e., the faithful longing for their Messiah and living by YWHs word, and then some perverted Others who coopted the concept of Chosen for their own purposes?

No true Scotsmen Jews, so to speak.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 10:07 AM  

@14 Amy

The Scriptures do not qualify the statements. The good news of the Messiah is to the Jew first and equally to the non-Jew. Both will be held responsible for what they do with that good news.

The question concerning the status of the Jews is not a new one and Romans 3-11 (for starters) does an excellent job of addressing the question.

The people who have embraced the promised Messiah. particularly those who have been grafted in, are warned against arrogance and to remember from where their nourishment comes.

Ephesians 2 is also to be thoughtfully considered.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 18, 2018 10:09 AM  

Rabbi B wrote:The Jewish people are not cursed, never have been, and never will be.

That doesn't mean that they haven't fallen away from God, and it doesn't mean that He isn't going to deal very harshly with them, yet again. It does mean that none of us want to be His instruments in dealing harshly with them. That never seems to end well.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 10:09 AM  

Go away, Al. You're too short for every ride in this park.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 10:11 AM  

@17 Ominous Cowherd

We have a long and storied history of being disciplined by our Creator. To whom much is given, much is required.

Blogger Phillip George July 18, 2018 10:14 AM  

calm down.. Do Messianic Jews have a blind spot?

Romans 11.25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

I am the fulness of the gentiles so shut the f... up. Synagogue of Satan is a slightly different topic. Unscrambling omelette is the easier breakfast.

Blogger Phillip George July 18, 2018 10:16 AM  

ps. Tommy Robinson should be in the same house arrest as Julian Assange.

It's that f..... obvious.

Blogger Amy July 18, 2018 10:22 AM  

Thank you, Rabbi B

Blogger Shimshon July 18, 2018 10:23 AM  

Sniff...sniff...I smell...monomania.

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 18, 2018 10:25 AM  

Rabbi B

Both the blessings and the cursings are all totally conditional.

Cf Malachi 3: 9

If the shoe fits, we’re all going to wear it.

Vox isn’t even talking about semites, he’s talking about people who wear jewishness as a skinsuit, having first killed any essential attributes it might once have shared with the real thing.

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 10:31 AM  

The Jewish people are not cursed, never have been, and never will be.

First, that's absolutely not true.

I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;


Second, a Biblical prophecy that predicts all but 144,000 will be killed may not be a curse, precisely speaking, but I think it qualifies under pretty much any lay understanding of a "curse".

Third, how do you explain this statement about a certain group of people in a certain land being literally cursed by God?

for they went and served other gods and worshiped them, gods that they did not know and that He had not given to them. Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against this land, to bring on it every curse that is written in this book. And the Lord uprooted them from their land in anger, in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.’

How do you balance that against your statement that they never have been cursed? Are the Jews not "the children of Israel" addressed in that particular verse?

Blogger Phillip George July 18, 2018 10:32 AM  

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4c/ab/1c/4cab1c52f1416f9f6fbabf7350cfcd17--the-rock-golden-calf.jpg

petroglyph from the actual mount Sinai.

Rabbi, have you considered Robert Cornuke on Simon the Hasmonean's razing of the city of David? the ploughed field? The fortress of Antonio extended with temple debris back-fill? It matters.

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 10:35 AM  

That never seems to end well.

The Romans did fine. The Spanish went on to build the wealthiest empire on the planet, as did the English.

Granted, it didn't work out so well for the Assyrians, the Babylonians, or the Germans.

You'll then, if you're properly disposed to see, understand that David Duke is indeed a great American hero.

Please. David Duke is a media tool brought out to serve as a tarnishing association whenever someone else needs to be disqualified and discredited.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 10:37 AM  

@22 Resident Moron

I wasn't addressing or responding to Vox.

The guests telling the host what the rules are is never going to turn out well for us, nor should it.

There is a vast gulf between being persecuted for faithfulness to God, and being persecuted for recalcitrant behavior and rejecting our calling.

Regardless, when the persecution ramps up, I am relatively certain that the persecutors will not take the time to discriminate accordingly.

Blogger tz July 18, 2018 10:39 AM  

Apparently Episcopalians are now anti-Semitic because they aren't cool with everything Israel does.

The Jews haven't noticed that playing the a-S card is getting as counterproductive as the race card. Even and especially the fake-right or even some real right that use it reflexively instead of making arguments.

But they wanted multiculturalism. They got it and are being displaced. I wonder if Feinstein will survive.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 10:45 AM  

@23 VD

My point is the following:

I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.

I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

These and similar passages ought to be considered in light of Numbers 22-24 as well.

Al's earlier comments implied otherwise...

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 18, 2018 10:48 AM  

I can't tell you how invaluable these discussions have been in clarifying how I should be teaching my home schooled children. As a Father, it has been incredibly difficult for me to shake off the decades of indoctrination from the public school system. Add to this my time at a U.S. Service Academy (I won't say which one) and time in the military, and I was a good, obedient lap dog.

My wife asked me why it was so important and why I was ranting. I replied that I've finally been able to lift my head up and ask why a group of people who display profound in-group preference would deny that ability to my own "tribe" of western european descent. I told her we SHOULD find it odd that a particular race is over represented in leadership in every field: Academia, Government, Finance, Entertainment, and even sports team ownership. And these people were in no way a part of the founding of this country.

Because of Vox's commentary and links to the research, I have come to understand it has much less to do with supposed superior IQ and everything to do with pernicious and unwarranted influence in key areas and in-group preference as opposed to true meritocracy (what a joke that lie turned out to be).

Blogger dienw July 18, 2018 10:51 AM  

The Scriptures do not qualify the statements. The good news of the Messiah is to the [Judahites] first and equally to the non-Jew. Both will be held responsible for what they do with that good news.

Not Edomites: Herodians and those who controlled the Temple priestcraft.

As I wrote on one of Vox's posts a couple of days ago, the fake Jews who are Ashkenazim/Khazar are Japhethites, not Semites; but the hide behind the word "Jew", which has two different meanings, causing confusion among the people.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 10:52 AM  

My overall general point, is the final solution to the Jewish question, to which occasional posts such as the OP pertain, is for my brethren to embrace the Messiah and that within the body of the Scriptures is found the mandate to do so as well as the how-to.



Blogger Al July 18, 2018 10:53 AM  

Chris, it sounds like you've been reading Kevin MacDonald's excellent The Culture of Critique as well. But what will you do if your wife refuses to swallow the red pill?

Blogger James Jones July 18, 2018 10:56 AM  

Picking which current UK party leader you want to side with is like picking the best-tasting dog-shit.

Blogger Al July 18, 2018 11:01 AM  

"David Duke is a media tool brought out to serve as a tarnishing association whenever someone else needs to be disqualified and discredited."

Fallacious. This has nothing to do with the truth of Duke's arguments. And it's to Duke's eternal credit that today's feculent media scum hate him.

Blogger Teleros July 18, 2018 11:05 AM  

Appalling formatting, but here's BoJo's speech in full:

https://order-order.com/2018/07/18/read-boris-statement-full

Blogger English Tom July 18, 2018 11:05 AM  

@Rabbi B

Warned against arrogance.

You mean like jews who harangue the Labour party because they won't adopt their meaning on anti semitism. Or like Barbara Lerner Spector, who just waltzed into Europe and said to an entire continent, hey Europe, you have to become multi cultural or you won't survive. These and other examples show Jewish arrogance. But take heart rabbi, more people are waking up.

There's a sub plot in Frank Herbert's masterpiece, Dune, concerning a Fremen tribe called the Iduali. This tribe were attacking other Fremen tribes and cannibalising them. Eventually ALL the Fremen tribes banded together and wiped them out. Are you getting the picture of the collective Jew future Rabbi?

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 11:05 AM  

My point is the following.

I understand that. But none of it is consistent with claiming that "the Jewish people are not cursed, never have been, and never will be".

The Children of Israel certainly appear to have fallen and to be under "every curse that is written in this book". That does not negate the promise that they would never be entirely destroyed, of course, or the verses you cited. But I simply don't see how one can accurately characterize the current situation as you did previously.

Just looking for clarification, that's all.

Blogger James Dixon July 18, 2018 11:07 AM  

> Regardless, when the persecution ramps up, I am relatively certain that the persecutors will not take the time to discriminate accordingly.

That is the great tragedy. But it's not like warnings haven't been issued, multiple times.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 18, 2018 11:07 AM  

@32
My wife is willfully respectful, even when she doesn't always agree. It places a burden on me to make sure I'm leading correctly because for better or worse, she'll follow. If I make a mistake, she and my children suffer. But the incredible unity and blessing that comes from all of us being on the same page has been profound. I don't get the naysayers who try to tell wives to be a divisive partner, fighting for "their feminine rights." The Bible says the two become one. I guarantee everyone who is married reading this will attest to the truth of this fact. In my humble opinion, it's why those who divorce (like my own parents) are scarred for life. Those wounds never truly heal.

Long answer to a short question. Short answer: we have a happy, complementary relationship. Her strengths and my strengths blend to make a better whole. She doesn't have to agree and she's ok with that. She trusts me. As she likes to say, when I married her I was blessed, not lucky.

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 11:08 AM  

Fallacious. This has nothing to do with the truth of Duke's arguments. And it's to Duke's eternal credit that today's feculent media scum hate him.

1. It's not fallacious. It's absolutely true.
2. No one said it did. I don't subscribe to the genetic fallacy. Truth is truth, regardless of the source.
3. I will give you that.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 18, 2018 11:11 AM  

This promises to be an interesting commentry.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) July 18, 2018 11:15 AM  

David Duke is literally Emmanuel Goldstein

Blogger Al July 18, 2018 11:19 AM  

David Duke is a great man, Josh. A true American hero. A relentless truth-speaker, in spite of relentless fakestream media propaganda against him and the truths he speaks.

I've alerted my friend Duke to this thread. He might weigh in.

Blogger Patrikbc July 18, 2018 11:21 AM  

did you ride the same short bus together?

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 18, 2018 11:25 AM  

@Rabbi B

I know.

Nor was I disputing with you, albeit I disagree.

I strongly suspect God’s definition of who and is not Jewish to be rather different from most people’s.

Blogger pyrrhus July 18, 2018 11:30 AM  

Boris Johnson has played his hand well, so far...now for the coup de grace.

Blogger LES July 18, 2018 11:32 AM  

Genesis 12:2-3 applies to Abram not every "Jew" who ever lived. Can a Christian be an atheist? Can a Jew be an atheist? Apparently.
Judaism is not a race but rabbinic Phariseeism. Sure, In Jesus' time the Judeans knew what tribe they were from. A Judean was born into his tribe. That is why Jesus said you must be "born again." Born into the new kingdom.

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 18, 2018 11:38 AM  

I'm sure he just mispoke, and actually meant to say that they *are* a curse.

Blogger Garuna July 18, 2018 11:39 AM  

David Duke is a great man

David Duke is a tradthot. An attention whore and a parasite. Are you also this impressed when degenerate faggots and atheist feminist whores in the alt-right spew our talking points?

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 11:48 AM  

My point is the following.

I understand that. But none of it is consistent with claiming that "the Jewish people are not cursed, never have been, and never will be".

The Children of Israel certainly appear to have fallen and to be under "every curse that is written in this book". That does not negate the promise that they would never be entirely destroyed, of course, or the verses you cited. But I simply don't see how one can accurately characterize the current situation as you did previously.

Just looking for clarification, that's all.

We see periods where the land is cursed, we read about a whole list of curses in Deut 27 directed to individuals who engage in certain behaviors, etc.

Being cursed or coming under a curse or a ban is generally understood in the sense of being cut off from God, His favor and His blessings.

I do not seeing this being applied to the nation of Israel and the Jewish people as a whole, which Al's comments and similar ones imply.

We even have a tradition that tells us that one of the reasons the first Temple was destroyed rather than the Jewish people who deserved to be destroyed, is that God took His wrath out on the Temple, rather than the Jewish people...(an interesting picture in light of John 2 where the Messiah identifies Himself as the Temple that would be raised after three days.)

If the Jewish people are categorically cursed without hope and cut-off, as some statements and "proof-texts" imply, the entire world is in big trouble.

Two hundred people in a courtyard asking for His blood to be upon them and their children, does speak for the entire nation, nor has it resulted in a curse on the Jewish nation or the Jewish people.

In fact it was the Messiah Who uttered the words from the execution stake, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do..." not "Father curse them ..."

Blogger MC July 18, 2018 11:58 AM  

I'm a Chassidic Jew (at least I try to be)
I have learned, and continue to learn, a lot from Vox and the Ilk.
I love the truth, however humiliating or painful, and will never and have never knowingly deceived anyone on this blog
My father is not the Prince of Lies
Whether something is true is the only real thing that matters. Not how it makes me, you or anyone else feel.


I would not vote for Jeremy Corbyn, he is like Bernie Sanders. I think his policies would be disastrous.

BUT

1. There is nothing remotely anti-Semitic about Mr Corbyn

He hates Israel, he hates any country he sees as on the "right" of politics, as he sees it, including the USA and Australia. He generally supports groups / people like IRA, Communists, Hezbollah, the Ayatollahs, Chavez, ANC, Castro, Arafat, BLM, Bernie etc. You may find him supporting them deeply immoral. But how is it anti-Semitic?
He would feel the same if citizens of Israel were White South African farmers, or Mexican high-caste imperialists. It has NOTHING to do with hating Jews in England or in Israel. He is probably anti-West in general, he's anti-capitalist, he's anti-the-rich (excepting possibly Soros the Evildoer) and you could make a good case that he's anti-white. But he is NOT anti-Semitic!
I get that many in the community are worried that he will be anti-Israel and pro-high-taxes, and they don’t like that. They may well be right to not like that.
But why do they think that the answer to that is to deceive and smear mr Corbyn as something that he is not?

How about we as Jews - for once - embrace truth?

(and - while we’re at it - how about we generally admit our wrongdoings instead of smearing all our critics?
How about we start feeling and showing some gratitude and respect for the indigenous people of our host countries?
How about we humbly support the restoration of decency in the place we live – especially as we bear so much responsibility for the slide to Sodom?
How about we get 100% behind the fight for restoration of the sovereignty and honour of the indigenous national Christian population in the countries of the West that have treated us with so much kindness?
Or – how about we just replay the script of every former host country in our exile, and somehow expect a different ending?)

2. Even if Mr Corbyn was anti-Semitic to some degree, that isn’t the mortal offence that is being implied. He’s running for PM of England not Chief Rabbi of Israel.
The great Winston Churchill had views about “the Jew” which didn’t conform to the modern catechism that “a Jew is exactly the same is everyone else all the time (only slightly better - and of course, never to blame for anything)” and was to some degree anti-Semitic.
The arguably even greater G K Chesterton had views about the Jews which would be called as anti-Semitic (I actually think he was one of the best friends the Jews have ever had, but that’s another story)
Can anybody deny that Messrs Churchill and Chesterton would make incomparably better leaders of England than any of the rotten shower around in England now?

3. I have looked at the “letter of the 68 Rabbis” attacking Corbyn.
My first instinct was to assume that it was written by crackpot Rabbis and “Fake Jews” + perhaps a few useful idiots.
But that isn’t the truth. To my quick count at least a fifth of them are actual Ultra-Orthodox Jews like me (albeit that they serve as Rabbis to less observant communities).
They were also careful to word the letter as concern about “antisemitism within sections of the Labour party” and not directly accuse Mr Corbyn (although other less temperate voices in my community have explicitly said that) but everyone knows is meant.
One of the senior signatories is my uncle. I have a casual acquaintance with 3 or 4 others, one prays in my Shul (where he effectively ranks as a “layman”) during the week as the congregation doesn’t have daily services.
I will try to speak to them though I struggle to see much hope of them taking me seriously.


If you got this far, thanks for reading all this!

Moshe

Blogger MC July 18, 2018 11:59 AM  

In other news from our side of the pond, Tommy Robinson’s appeal was heard today, and the Judges said they’ll rule between now and the end of July. (Yes, it took a few minutes to jail him for 13 months, but it will take days / weeks for their “m’Luds” to work out if that was actually just or not – while Tommy continues to sit in solitary confinement 23+ hours a day)
We expect that they will probably cut their losses and release him on a slow news day for “time served”, but with conditions aimed to gag him for a long time.
He and his wife and kids have suffered so much, for him daring to speak out for the vulnerable victims of "Multiculturalism"
I am praying for him, and I ask all you patriots reading this to consider say a prayer as well.

(I know the issues he is fighting for are far from the only ones that need dealing with. But it’s a start that might get things moving back in the right direction after many years of the wrong direction!)

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 12:03 PM  

@51 MC

How about we as Jews - for once - embrace truth?

(and - while we’re at it - how about we generally admit our wrongdoings instead of smearing all our critics?
How about we start feeling and showing some gratitude and respect for the indigenous people of our host countries?
How about we humbly support the restoration of decency in the place we live – especially as we bear so much responsibility for the slide to Sodom?
How about we get 100% behind the fight for restoration of the sovereignty and honour of the indigenous national Christian population in the countries of the West that have treated us with so much kindness?
Or – how about we just replay the script of every former host country in our exile, and somehow expect a different ending?)


Well said. Very well said.

Blogger JK July 18, 2018 12:26 PM  

200 Years
https://thechosenites.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/200-years-together.pdf

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 1:28 PM  

Being cursed or coming under a curse or a ban is generally understood in the sense of being cut off from God, His favor and His blessings. I do not seeing this being applied to the nation of Israel and the Jewish people as a whole, which Al's comments and similar ones imply.

You're making a rookie mistake, Rabbi B. You do not get to define the terms.

CURSE
the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc.

Your statement is observably false by the straightforward dictionary definition. As to whether the people presently known as the Jews are severed from God, His favor, and His blessings, your opinion is no more relevant than anyone else's. We not only do not know the truth, we cannot know it.

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 1:30 PM  

Or – how about we just replay the script of every former host country in our exile, and somehow expect a different ending?)

(nods)

Blogger Robert Pinkerton July 18, 2018 2:00 PM  

I suggest that the "Final Solution!" of any anti-Semitiv ethny's problem with the Jewish People, will occur once extraterrestrial emigration becomes feasable. The anti-Semites depart for a virgin world, colonize it, and unconditionally forbid in the harshest term even the landing of a ship with a Jewish passenger aboard. Until then, contention continues.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 2:12 PM  

You're making a rookie mistake, Rabbi B. You do not get to define the terms.

CURSE
the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc.

ur statement is observably false by the straightforward dictionary definition. As to whether the people presently known as the Jews are severed from God, His favor, and His blessings, your opinion is no more relevant than anyone else's. We not only do not know the truth, we cannot know it.

Fair enough.

What about Biblical definitions and Biblical context(s)which help us define the terms?

e.g.

What was Bilaam hired by Balak to do? Merely express himself and his wishes?

Did Jesus just become an expression of misfortune, evil, or doom, when He became a curse according to Galatians? What does this mean? How are we to understand this?

Do the litany of curses in Deuteronomy 27 in connection with forging a covenant with the Nation of Israel fit the straightforward dictionary definition and merely expressions of someone's wishes?

I am not disputing the dictionary def, and I concede that I don't get to define the terms, but again, is it not important to understand how the terms are employed in Biblical usage, especially when commenters are throwing out "proof-texts" from the Bible to support the notion that the Jewish people are cursed?

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 18, 2018 2:23 PM  

Rabbi B - Define "Jews"

Because as a Christian, I read this as stating that I'm now grafted in; that is, I am now a partaker of the same inheritance as Israel. Note I said Israel, and not Judah. Judah, as I understand it, is the tribe of Judah and some of Benjamin, that existed at the time of Christ. The other 10 tribes were scattered hundreds of years earlier when God divorced them in 722 BC (or maybe a decade or two earlier). So when Jesus said to the philistine woman, "I am only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" he was referring to these lost tribes right? And we are taught later that we as Gentiles are partakers of the inheritance:
Romans 9:24-26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. 25 As He says also in Hosea,

“I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’
And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’”
26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

And again in Ephesians:
Ephesians 3:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,

The main passage coming from Romans 11:11-31.

So when you say "Jews" are you saying all of us who are grafted in spiritually? Or are you referring to bloodline only Jews? In my opinion that becomes extremely problematic in that most of us could now probably claim Jewish heritage through our DNA lines. In my own family, my great-grandmother was of Jewish descent. Does that make me a "Jew?" Of course we're reminded by Paul to avoid useless genealogies in Titus 3:9.

The point here is that you seem to be referring to ALL Jews when what we are generally referring to are Jews who exhibit especially bad behavior - Pharisaical Judaism - Talmudic Jews.

Jesus was more concerned with obedience than he was bloodlines. He explicitly stated that His family were those who did the will of God. Doesn't that mean Christians too, who obey the stated will of God?

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 2:32 PM  

What about Biblical definitions and Biblical context(s)which help us define the terms?

Rabbi, this is why you professional students always lose whenever faced with an intellect capable of observing your inconsistencies and short cuts. You simply don't possess the ability to objectively assess your own positions because you're too focused on defending the flags you've planted.

is it not important to understand how the terms are employed in Biblical usage, especially when commenters are throwing out "proof-texts" from the Bible to support the notion that the Jewish people are cursed?

Not in the least. You're making the assumption that the specific must be substituted for the general. Once you make that mistake, you're toast, every single time, no matter what the subject happens to be. I've already shown your statement to be incorrect with regards to the English language. Now, if you wish, I can do the same with regards to Biblical usage concerning the concept of "curse".

Is this necessary or do you have a sufficient understanding of the error already?

Blogger DonReynolds July 18, 2018 2:35 PM  

Teresa May was a willful, spiteful, Leftist when she was Home Secretary. She is on a mission to save the world, and she and only she, knows how. (Must be that B.A. in geography....and her daddy was a clergyman.)

May is forcing the Conservative Party to have to make a choice between keeping her as their leader or REMAINING in power, but she has dragged her party down enough see where this ends.

It was the same choice the US Democrats had in the 2016....keep a Clinton on the ballot or lose the White House or at least lose control of the party to the Bernie Leftists, who do not even claim to be Democrats. (Bernie no longer claims to be a Democrat.)

Being overly ideological and refusing to admit that their own "leader" no longer supports the party ideology, I expect the Conservatives to go down in flames the same as the Democrats in the US. The smart play would be to dump May (and the Clintons) and remain in power. So this proves they (Conservatives and Democrats) are neither power mad nor are they faithful to their own ideology. Like Obama, they have become petulant, spoiled teenagers in open rebellion against the world gone populist and nationalist.

Let them.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 18, 2018 2:37 PM  

Al wrote:David Duke is a great man, Josh.

A few decades back, when Duke was in the news, I came to the conclusion that he was Al Sharpton in whiteface.

Blogger DonReynolds July 18, 2018 2:43 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Al wrote:David Duke is a great man, Josh.

A few decades back, when Duke was in the news, I came to the conclusion that he was Al Sharpton in whiteface.


If David Duke and Al Sharpton were to stay on the topic of Jews, they would become the best of pals and go pub crawling together. David has always had difficulty making money for his act. No doubt, Al could give him a few pointers on how to monetize his work.

Blogger Rabbi B July 18, 2018 3:36 PM  

@60 VD

Is this necessary or do you have a sufficient understanding of the error already?

My original statement:

The Jewish people are not cursed, never have been, and never will be.

I see the error.

There are examples of cursing the Jewish people in the Scriptures etc., so this statement can be rendered false on its face. Also, my response was based upon an assumption, an assumption that:

'The Jews are cursed' = 'they are cast away, etc.'...this doesn't mean the assumption is necessarily untrue, but it's not the only possibility.

I can retract the statement on those grounds.

Otherwise, I believe I've clarified my position and made my intended point.

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 3:44 PM  

I can retract the statement on those grounds.

Very good. Well done.

The key is to understand when one is utilizing rhetoric and when one is utilizing dialectic. And in the case of the latter, recognizing that the effectiveness of the rhetoric depends upon the emotions of the listener, not the speaker.

Your assertion was stirring rhetoric... to a Jewish or Judeo-Christian audience. But it was always going to fall flat to Christian or atheist audiences, particularly those inclined towards dialectic.

Blogger tublecane July 18, 2018 4:17 PM  

What on earth is the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, and why should we care? I can't wait until insufficiently propagandized masses kill the Holocaust Industry.

Blogger Zwiebel July 18, 2018 5:16 PM  

Why is May still hanging in by her fingernails? Is she afraid she'll be garrotted for failure of spoiling Brexit? Suicide by doorknob? Why? Cameron is still alive.

Mind, not that I'm a big fan of Boris "so proud to be a Turk" Johnson...

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 18, 2018 5:45 PM  

I know this is getting off topic, but we did talk alot about what is and isn't a curse too.

2 more for Rabi B -
If I recall correctly, wasn't Rahab (not a Jew) grafted in and became part of the Messiah's bloodline?
And then also Ruth (not a Jew) was also grafted in and also became a part of the Messiah's bloodline?

Are they Jews?

Blogger Silent Draco July 18, 2018 5:53 PM  

After 10 rounds, the readers win. That was excellent dialogue between Vox and Rabbi B. Worth saving out as a teaching or memory example.

Blogger Dave July 18, 2018 6:28 PM  

After 10 rounds, the readers win.

Nah, more like a TKO in the 2nd. But you're right, the readers benefited.

Blogger VD July 18, 2018 6:46 PM  

this doesn't mean the assumption is necessarily untrue, but it's not the only possibility.

This is what trips up more intelligent people and midwits than any other error I see people regularly making. The fact that something could be true, or is true, doesn't intrinsically require that it is necessarily true.

That's why it's always a good idea to be clear on whether you are making a specific case or a general case, and then shape your argument accordingly. And both "could be, but probably isn't" and "probably isn't, but could be" are often reasonable positions.

Blogger tz July 18, 2018 7:47 PM  

Christ is the head and we are the body. But after the heart attack by the roman provoked by the Jews with a spear, on the third day there was a transplant.

Those who try to claim to be part of the tree have been cut off, and the grafted branch has prospered - but some try to graft the old dead branches onto the living branches. They get pruned or just die and fall off.

God's love is unconditional, but his grace is not. Those who have rejected it or worse are disconnected.

Our Lord said by their fruit you will know them. That is by acts and visible virtue, not fancy arguments.

Christianity tends to assimilate followers into the holiness. Jews stay apart. That isn't a problem (think Chinatown) until they try to impose things.

Blogger Solon July 18, 2018 9:34 PM  

At some point you'd think the Jewish people would realize "hey, we keep getting disciplined by God, maybe we're doing something wrong?"

Being rebuked by God is supposed to be a gentle correction: "you're doing something bad, now stop it." Like a parent who chides His child when he wants to touch the hot stove.

And then the Jews go and keep touching the hot stove. God gets more forceful until eventually he swats them (cf. The Holocaust, being exiled from basically every country they've ever been to, etc.)

Then they cry about how everything is so unfair, and rationalize it away as God caring for them more because he keeps punishing them.

Are Jews pathologically into BDSM? It certainly looks that way, if history is any indication.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 18, 2018 11:54 PM  

@3 What is "anti-Gentilism?" Is even a thing -- a concept available to you within the constraints of the mainstream narrative? Why not?

@4 Exactly.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 19, 2018 12:06 AM  

Speaking of the media, 90% of today's media should be publicly executed

Kind of disappointing that Trump didn't take the Duck's (@jokeocracy) recommendations literally with respect to that.

https://www.singledudetravel.com/2016/03/twitters-war-on-free-speech-and-the-greatest-twitter-account-ever/

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 19, 2018 12:16 AM  

You'll then, if you're properly disposed to see, understand that David Duke is indeed a great American hero.

Please. David Duke is a media tool brought out to serve as a tarnishing association whenever someone else needs to be disqualified and discredited


The former is an assertion about the role that he "should" play in the "right" narrative, and perhaps about the actual truth of the things that he says.

The latter is a (true) assertion about the role that he plays in The Narrative. It does not mean that he has not said some useful (and true) things -- but it means that he is not a useful flag to fly in the current year. One does not refute the other, really. They're different perspectives; different aspects of the same thing.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 19, 2018 12:20 AM  

Whoops. Shoulda read the whole thread. Already dealt with in @40.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 19, 2018 12:32 AM  

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn is standing stronger against The Lobby than the U.S. Congress or the South Carolina legislature...

Corbyn at least has some kind of principles. They may be open borders/ commie principles, but they're principles. May, on the other hand, has none.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 19, 2018 1:06 AM  

A couple of points about the language used here, and its implications:

in a fiery tirade against the Labour leader, she said that 'anti-Semitism is racism - you should accept that

Labour instead updated its code of conduct to state that anti-Semitism is ‘racism’

This would seem to imply that the Jewish people are a race (or "race," as the AP Stylebook mandates). While this was mainstream usage (by the WJC, no less) as recently as the 60s, it's clearly heresy in the current year. Few will be capable of drawing this (rather obvious) inference, though, so they're probably OK. And they can always divert into endless blabber/ pilpul about how "racism" is totally real, while race is not.

stopping short of several examples of anti-Semitism according to the IHRA definition, such as accusing Jewish people of being more loyal to Israel than their home country.

Essentially "anti-Zionism is 'anti-semitism'." And we've already established that "anti-semitism" is "racism," of course. By utilizing the transitive property of semitism, we can easily perceive that this is merely the obverse of the "Zionism is racism" "canard." QED.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 19, 2018 1:36 AM  

@10
Not trying to add to the dogpile here, but it's sometimes useful to look at things from a different perspective.

What are the various meanings of the word "herem" (Chērem, חרם)? What are the implications of having these (seemingly unrelated) meanings attached to the same word?

Were the Amalekites "accursed?"

Is "Amalek" ever used rhetorically by Jews in the current year? In what context/ manner? What are the implications of this usage?

Seems rather stronger than "You're not gonna make it to heaven" to me...

Blogger Dirk Manly July 19, 2018 4:25 AM  

@19

Julian Assange isn't under house arrest -- he's in sanctuary within an enclave of foreign soil. (The ground of every embassy is the sovereign territory of the sovereign state which it represents, and unless there is a state of war, the host-country may not, under an circumstances, enter without invitation, and whatever stipulations the embassy personnel specify.)

Blogger Dirk Manly July 19, 2018 7:58 AM  

@50 Rabbi B


The fact that even 50 years after the re-creation of Isreal, the vast majority of Jews are scattered all over the world, in a continuing diaspora, is evidence of a current curse STILL being in effect -- the one that kicked in just after 70 A.D.

Blogger Shimshon July 19, 2018 9:52 AM  

@82 Dirk, the Jewish population in Israel reached plurality not long after the Soviet influx, for the first time since Second Temple times. As of about 10 years ago, there is a higher percentage of Jews living in Israel than at any time since the First Temple. We are on the cusp of an absolute majority of world Jewry living in the Land, which has not been the case since the destruction of the Davidic Kingdom. Hardly the "vast majority" dispersed today (unlike pre-Holocaust, when over 95% of Jewry lived elsewhere). It is in the process of reversing right before my eyes.

Also, the modern state is 70 years old this year, not 50.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 19, 2018 12:13 PM  

Shimson,
There are more Jews scattered around the US than in all of Israel.

Blogger Shimshon July 19, 2018 12:20 PM  

Dirk,

No. The decline proved so alarming that the once decennial Jewish population survey ceased after 2000. The oldsters are rapidly dying off. The younger cohorts, when they even bother to identify as Jewish (and are, according to Jewish law), are barely having any kids today, the fecundity of the Orthodox notwithstanding. There may be over 5 million Jews in America. May. The number in Israel is close to 6.5 million halachic Jews. We're growing, they're shrinking (along with the rest of the exile).

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