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Monday, July 02, 2018

Mexico goes full Trotsky

It's not enough to say that the victorious Mexican presidential candidate AMLO is a socialist. To be more precise, he is a socialist of the Trotskyite world revolution variety.
Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has won the Mexican presidential election. Lopez Obrador, better known by his initials AMLO, will be the first candidate from the left-wing political coalition Juntos Haremos Historia to hold the Mexican presidency after Sunday's election.

A late-night official quick count from electoral authorities forecast that Mr Lopez Obrador would win with between 53 and 53.8 per cent of the vote, a remarkable margin not seen in the country for many years.

His rivals, José Antonio Meade of the long-dominant centrist PRI party and Ricardo Anaya of the center-right PAN, both conceded the election shortly after polls closed.

US President Donald Trump congratulated Lopez Obrador in a tweet late Sunday: 'Congratulations to Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador on becoming the next President of Mexico. I look very much forward to working with him. There is much to be done that will benefit both the United States and Mexico!'

Lopez Obrador, 64, has fiercely opposed Trump's policies on immigration, saying it is 'a human right' for people around the world to be able to resettle in America.

'Soon, very soon, after the victory of our movement, we will defend migrants all over the American continent and the migrants of the world who, by necessity, must abandon their towns to find life in the United States; it's a human right we will defend,' Lopez Obrador said in a June speech reported by El Universal.
It's going to be very interesting to see which conservatives finally abandon their ahistorical equalitarian-based civic nationalism and which follow Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, Moammar Gaddafi, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Sarah D'Almeida Hoyt to the logical conclusion that the contemporary United States is not a nation, but rather, an idea that belongs to all nations and that immigration to the USA is a basic human right.

This choice always going to be made. The logic involved was always remorseless and inescapable, all that was required was for events to catch up to it. That's the core reason for consistent conservative failure; it reliably requires one to defend an illogical and intrinsically untenable position due to its basis in rhetoric rather than science, history, or logic.

And make no mistake, AMLO has a serious mandate for a headlong dive into revolution. His popularity is off the charts.
The 64-year-old former Mexico City mayor won with the widest margin in a presidential election since the 1980s, according to an official quick count that showed him taking more than half the vote — some 30 points ahead of his nearest rival.

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Blogger insight July 02, 2018 4:57 AM  

And to highlight my (WNT) theory there is the book "Trotsky's White Negroes: The Censored Holocaust by Mike Walsh" on Amazon. Apparently the term has been around quite awhile and was used by the Satanic Jews at the top of the hierarchy.

Blogger Shane Sullivan July 02, 2018 5:16 AM  

It's truly amazing how accelerated events around the world are becoming; this is especially true in the U.S. While I'm rather young compared to other commenters here, I can't recall seeing so much radical change in our political sphere. Is Trump's presence in the White House one of the major causes?

Blogger Jew613 July 02, 2018 5:31 AM  

This might be for the best. An open enemy like AMLO is better then a false friend like Vicente Fox. Ultimately their goals are the same, the conquest of the southwest United States. One is just more subtle about it.

Blogger McChuck July 02, 2018 5:48 AM  

'Soon, very soon, after the victory of our movement, we will defend migrants all over the American continent and the migrants of the world who, by necessity, must abandon their towns to find life in the United States; it's a human right we will defend,'

And soon, very soon, III Corps and their friends in 1st and 2nd MarDiv will decide to take a vacation and visit Mexico City. Naturally, we can't expect them to apply for visas or wait for the formal processes to request legal entry to Mexico. Nor should we expect our fine young men to adapt to the local culture.

Blogger Daniel July 02, 2018 5:50 AM  

>> ...To be specific, he is a socialist of the Trotskyite world revolution variety.

And I could never figure out why so many American neocons proudly claimed that they descended from Troskyites....I guess that it has been good for the past 60 years or so to go long on American ignorance. That is changing.

Blogger James Dixon July 02, 2018 6:05 AM  

> AMLO is a socialist. To be specific, he is a socialist of the Trotskyite world revolution variety.

So Mexico, already well on its way down the path, will finally complete the trail most recently followed by Venezuela.

Blogger DJT July 02, 2018 6:06 AM  

One good thing is that true Marxist regimes don't usually let their people flee the country. Maybe he'll build a wall on the Mexican side of the border.

Blogger Lazarus July 02, 2018 6:16 AM  

Good fences make good neighbors because the grass is always greener on the side with the magic dirt.

Blogger Howard Stone July 02, 2018 6:16 AM  

AMLO is still breathing? He’s the cartel candidate. This is war.

Blogger The Observer July 02, 2018 6:23 AM  

So Mexico, already well on its way down the path, will finally complete the trail most recently followed by Venezuela.

Thus ensuring a steady supply of "refugees" swarming across the southern border.

Blogger Man of the Atom July 02, 2018 6:26 AM  

Thank you, AMLO. "The Wall" is now a front-and-center issue for the 2018 US elections.

Roll Tide! Hail the God Emperor!

Blogger SouthRon July 02, 2018 6:41 AM  

Sarah's upcoming entry into the Monster Hunter Series may give Monster Hunter International a whole new meaning.

Blogger Robert What? July 02, 2018 6:42 AM  

Now it is a human right for the entire world to sponge off the American taxpayers? We always knew many people acted like it was true, but finally someone is coming right out and stating it in no uncertain terms.

Blogger VD July 02, 2018 6:47 AM  

finally someone is coming right out and stating it in no uncertain terms.

They've been saying it for a while. It's just that no one understood that's what "born American in Portugal" necessarily entails and no one in the USA paid any attention to what Gaddafi and Ahmadinejad were saying.

Blogger English Tom July 02, 2018 7:01 AM  

@Daniel

're Neocon being proud.

That's because most of them are from a (((certain ethnic commonality))) and this is what really bonds them together.

Re: Trotsky, real name Lev Bronstein. Check out henrymakow.com for info on who funded Trotsky and his network. Hint does the name Jacob Schiff resonate? Why would a plutocrat fund someone whose stated aim was the destruction of said plutocrats way of life?
Nothing is ever what it seems.

Blogger Stilicho July 02, 2018 7:03 AM  

Let me guess, in the coming war with Mexico, the Neocons will finally find a war they don't like (because it may actually advance American interests).

Blogger Robert What? July 02, 2018 7:05 AM  

@Vox, why would the new President of Mexico declare it is a universal human right to settle in the United States? Why isn't it a universal human right to settle in Mexico? They have taxpayers to soak too, don't they?

Blogger English Tom July 02, 2018 7:05 AM  

I find the declaration that the entire world can just move to the USA because it is a universal human right, to be so arrogant it is breathtaking. I didn't read this in any UN documents (must have been hidden in the small print!).

Blogger Blackbody July 02, 2018 7:06 AM  

Absolute insanity. It will be interesting to see how this is covered in the mainstream media.

Blogger Edgar Abbey July 02, 2018 7:07 AM  

The Mexican election result will help lower resistance to building the Wall. Ultimately, this election result is good news for the US.

Blogger VD July 02, 2018 7:16 AM  

why would the new President of Mexico declare it is a universal human right to settle in the United States?

Because a) Declaration of Independence, b) Melting Pot, c) Nation of Immigrants, d) America is an idea, not a nation, and it belongs to everyone.

Thanks, conservatives, civic nationalists and Judeo-Christians! Arguments have consequences.

Blogger JACIII July 02, 2018 7:17 AM  

Rather than bring the rest of the world to the US, we may have to bring the US to the rest of the world.

The time for some serious old fashioned colonial imperialism may be upon us.

Blogger widlast washere July 02, 2018 7:21 AM  

What a nutcase. What he has said is the equivalent of saying that the entire world has the "right" to camp out in my living room. Amazing how generous socialists can be with other peoples' stuff.

Blogger VD July 02, 2018 7:33 AM  

What he has said is the equivalent of saying that the entire world has the "right" to camp out in my living room.

Hey, if we're all created equal and he happen to feel that he was born American in Mexico, who can be so heartless as to claim your right to your living room is any better than his? Obviously, his right to it is equal to yours.

(watches conservatives rush to explain that "equal" doesn't actually mean "equal")

It's not as if their logic is hard to follow. Lesson: always think through the logical consequences of your rhetoric.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis July 02, 2018 7:34 AM  

Now we can finally finish the work Pres. James K. Polk started.

Blogger Amy July 02, 2018 7:36 AM  

Make Colonialism Great Again.

If everyone is American, then we just make the world America.

Somehow I’m sure AMLO didn’t mean *that* but hey, American here or American there...we could rename the planet after Vespucci I stead of a continent.

Blogger Bad Attitude July 02, 2018 7:44 AM  

Maybe we should tell these future “New Americans” that Canada has better welfare, and they should continue north where they will be welcomed with open arms by Justin.

Blogger VD July 02, 2018 7:48 AM  

Haven't you all learned ANYTHING from the failed history of colonialism? Why on EARTH would you want to try to rule over Mexico in the first place. It's astonishing to me that the immediate response of white conservatives is: "it would be immoral to deport anyone... let's conquer their countries instead!"

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 02, 2018 8:02 AM  

English Tom wrote:I didn't read this in any UN documents (must have been hidden in the small print!).

Take another look, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that it's actually in there.

Blogger tublecane July 02, 2018 8:04 AM  

@4- It's a human right to find a life in the U.S.? Why not May-he-co? Or any other nonwhite countries? I might ask if they think we're that foolish, but of course the ruling class is.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 02, 2018 8:05 AM  

So, did the G-E help fund this guy's campaign? LOL

The left is playing right into his (our) hands. Of course they can't help themselves.

Blogger JACIII July 02, 2018 8:05 AM  

VD wrote:Haven't you all learned ANYTHING from the failed history of colonialism? Why on EARTH would you want to try to rule over Mexico in the first place. It's astonishing to me that the immediate response of white conservatives is: "it would be immoral to deport anyone... let's conquer their countries instead!"

It was fun while it lasted.

Plan A: Think of it as a jobs program for SJWs. Overrun their pathetic militaries, install SJW overlords. Leave. Third world kills SJWs in horrible ways. Third world wary of US, again.

Plan B: Squash military with unnecessary bloodshed of fighting age males. Set up governors with huge garrisons. Rule with iron fist (Third world normal). Grant estates to veterans. The Romans did nothing wrong!

Plan C: Kill them all and take their stuff.

Perhaps the White Man's Burden is real and, as it is our burden, we are the only ones qualified to determine how best to bear it.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) July 02, 2018 8:05 AM  

17. Robert What? July 02, 2018 7:05 AM
why would the new President of Mexico declare it is a universal human right to settle in the United States? Why isn't it a universal human right to settle in Mexico?



because the United States is the preeminent proponent of Bourgeois Consciousness while Mexico is of the Proletariat.

you notice also, the overt Marxist admits that he knows that International Socialism requires the free flow of Labor across international borders, as well as goods.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 8:06 AM  

Colonialism on the Briish model turned out poorly. That was the model where they invaded, administered and ultimately invited everyone.

Perhaps colonialism on the United Fruit Company model would work better. That's the model where we depose national leaders who are not advancing our interests. No invading, no inviting, just assassinations and funding revolutions.

Or, we could just close our borders.

Blogger dienw July 02, 2018 8:08 AM  

Another U.S.- Mexican war is on the horizon. Mexico already has its 5th column and its underground terrorists here; the drug cartels' drug distribution network is organized enough to switch over to conduct an underground war. The left will have a new "Cuba/Castro" rally around: guaranteed treason. The sanctuary states and cities are the softest targets and most likely to initially side with Mexico: they will have to be militarily subjugated by Washington or by loyal governors. We can expect Mexico to have a host of allies including China and Iran to provide arms and materiel. We cannot expect "allies" to do more than utter platitudes. Is there a portion of the deep state that backs and help raise up AMLO?

The only question is when; assuming we are not already in a quiet war with Mexico.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 8:09 AM  

tublecane wrote:@4- It's a human right to find a life in the U.S.? Why not May-he-co? Or any other nonwhite countries? I might ask if they think we're that foolish, but of course the ruling class is.

Who wants to live in a non-White country? You goes whe' de gibs is at, yo!

Blogger tublecane July 02, 2018 8:12 AM  

@5- I don't remember them being open about it. Took me an embarrassingly long time to figure it out.*

If they did, that was because they were convinced the Soviet Union from Stalin on was hated enough that a dissenter like Trotsky could win people's hearts. Except that he dissented towards MORE communism.

*I was tipped off by the section of Saul Bellow's Adventures of Augie March where he visits the assassinated Trotsky in Mexico. Or perhaps he met Trotsky before he died. I forget.

Bellow was am archetypal neocon, except that he was an artist instead of a political hack.

Blogger VD July 02, 2018 8:13 AM  

Why not May-he-co? Or any other nonwhite countries?

Because no one else was dumb enough to declare everyone equal as part of their founding doctrine, or so the dominant anti-Posterity narrative has managed to convince the world. Even the invasion of Europe is conceptually predicated on the narrative created in the USA.

Blogger James Dixon July 02, 2018 8:15 AM  

> They have taxpayers to soak too, don't they?

Not really, no. They've already spent all their own money. Now they want ours.

> It will be interesting to see how this is covered in the mainstream media.

You find the sound of crickets chirping interesting?

Blogger insight July 02, 2018 8:24 AM  

"Haven't you all learned ANYTHING from the failed history of colonialism?"

The White Man's burden continues on.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 8:28 AM  

Another war with Mexico would probably be a hot civil war here. The Hispanic or Mexican population of the US would largely become insurgents and guerilla fighters, with covert outside assistance from China, which is what a guerilla movement needs to be successful. The skin color giveaway makes it easier for us to identify the enemy, as well as the inability of the white traitors to camouflage themselves.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 8:31 AM  

Long story about, the next US and Mexican War will be fought almost solely on US soil.

Blogger Bernardo Tavares July 02, 2018 8:39 AM  

Hi, Neo Venezuela.
Americans, prepare for a bigger wave fed off by hunger and disease. Brazil, (my country) has an influx of venezuelans escaping to the estate of Roraima.
Yes, they are running away TO one of the poorest states of a third world country.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 02, 2018 8:40 AM  

"Field of Blood" a pretty decent novel by Chronicles contributor Wayne Allensworth or Matt Bracken's second book in his trilogy are my guesses for the future as involves the Raza Cosmica or whatever it is these days.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 8:53 AM  

"Haven't you all learned ANYTHING from the failed history of colonialism?"

From the strictly Machiavellian/mechanistic perspective, I think the lesson is that you don't colonize, but rather work on ensuring beneficial trends for your own nation -- which then naturally expands into the relative vacuums left by weaker nations.

Then again, Machiavelli himself advocated colonies rather than soldiers to hold captured territories...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 9:02 AM  

"Think of it as a jobs program for SJWs. Overrun their pathetic militaries, install SJW overlords. Leave."

We already do something a whole lot like that, which is exactly the problem. Sow the wind...

Blogger Harry Spitz July 02, 2018 9:09 AM  

We should have done an Allende on Obrador. Mexico desperately needs a Pinochet.
Now we're gonna have Venezuela on our border.

Blogger Bobiojimbo July 02, 2018 9:16 AM  

'Soon, very soon, after the victory of our movement, we will defend migrants all over the American continent and the migrants of the world who, by necessity, must abandon their towns to find life in the United States; it's a human right we will defend,'

Sounds like the plot to Red Dawn. Sadly that would be easier to resist than migration. I hope the god emperor sees through this for what it really is.

Blogger Daniel July 02, 2018 9:19 AM  

Dude Venezuelans are all over the place even here in argentina's south

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 02, 2018 9:20 AM  

So it's war then. Either open with our military at our border taking a chunk of desert or covert with the continued invasion and our demo-globalist fifth column fighting here.

We'd be better fighting them there. It would send the tens of millions of illegals south. What good is it to call this America if we become Mexico North? Or worse. You absolutely don't want to pay the price I have. More people are killed by illegals than all the semi auto rifles in America combined.

We're Rome with the visigoths on the frontier. Do we fight them here or there because they are coming.

Blogger Daniel July 02, 2018 9:21 AM  

Problema is the huge amount of americans claiming the same

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey July 02, 2018 9:22 AM  

I'm amazed to see the banging of the war drums. I saw it this morning on other sites, but I did not expect to see it here, assuming most of us went through the Iraq invasion with Vox. Just build the dang wall already! And deport with glee. Let God sort out the others.

Blogger VD July 02, 2018 9:25 AM  

We'd be better fighting them there.

You have learned absolutely nothing. That was the justification for fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. It doesn't work that way. Fighting over there means that you end up importing all of your allies from over there when you lose - and you will eventually lose.

There is a sob story in the UK now about how a translator in Afghanistan is "marked for death" because he helped British forces, so now they have a moral duty to bring him to the UK. To say nothing of all the soldiers' wives, children, and so forth.

It never works that way. War is a form of entanglement.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 9:26 AM  

This is a war worth fighting, Ken.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 9:28 AM  

I'm not saying we should fight it here, or even that we should start it. But it will end up a war on our soil, fighting the people who are already here.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 9:32 AM  

"But it will end up a war on our soil, fighting the people who are already here."

Ding!

Blogger allyn71 July 02, 2018 9:32 AM  

Did you think the millions of invaders would just go home because we said so? This has always been headed this way.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 9:35 AM  

"Do we fight them here or there because they are coming."

We already have to fight them here. Don't let's cross the border and end up fighting more of them when we can just reinforce the wall by piling the corpses of the ones who attempt to invade from here on out.

Blogger Azimus July 02, 2018 9:36 AM  

Venezuela 2 - Aztec Edition here we come!

Blogger freddie_mac July 02, 2018 9:40 AM  

'Soon, very soon, after the victory of our movement, we will defend migrants all over the American continent and the migrants of the world who, by necessity, must abandon their towns to find life in the United States; it's a human right we will defend,' Lopez Obrador said in a June speech

Build the wall, deport them all. Catapults or trebuchets will work fine, no need for a big, beautiful door. Meanwhile, bring the US troops back from Germany and have them guard the border. So long as they're facing south, there shouldn't be any problems with deploying US forces on American soil. We might even have enough troops to deploy some on the northern border too ...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 9:40 AM  

Build the wall, kill those on the wrong side.

Blogger Stilicho July 02, 2018 9:42 AM  

War with Mexico began the moment Mexico began invading the US. It is simply moving to a new stage. Whether the Mexicans in the US are engaged in an armed conflict or are merely parasites and saboteurs (with a leavening of violence directed at the US), they are already at war with the US (and we with them whether we openly acknowledge that or not).

Openly invading Mexico is just acknowledgment of reality. Nor does it mean we have stay and rule or "invite our allies" a la Max Boot et al. Rubble doesn't make trouble. A punitive invasion creating a wide no man's land (that remains as a kill zone for anything approaching within artillery range of our border wall) would be a workable solution. Cutting off all trade with Mexico and confiscation of all remittances would be a potential solution short of invasion (when coupled with deportation of all Mexicans in the US).

Hell, even a Trumpian response of increased tariffs, a partial wall, partial deportation, and partial taxation of remittances would help tremendously.

Regardless, we have been at war with Mexico for decades. We just haven't been fighting back (and still aren't).

Blogger Mr Darcy July 02, 2018 9:44 AM  

Nope. No dice. I'm not even going to say, "Sorry." Sorry, but I ain't sorry. They absolutely can NOT come here, and if they do, they have to go back. Along with all the others. Period.

Blogger Stilicho July 02, 2018 9:50 AM  

The defensive strategy of "let's just deport the bad ones" is doomed to failure and will doom the US.

Blogger pyrrhus July 02, 2018 9:53 AM  

We are certainly at war with Mexico, when do we put in the minefields?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 9:56 AM  

"Whether the Mexicans in the US are engaged in an armed conflict or are merely parasites and saboteurs"

Or a malignant growth.

"A punitive invasion"

Is a bad idea, as it just looks like overreaction or can otherwise be spun for the world stage as malfeasance on our part. Strength and control are about self discipline, not unnecessary outbursts. Hold them at the border, right at the border, so far as is possible.

If you want to bite back, you need to make sure all of your relevant (this is a very broad category) people have the intestinal fortitude to not flinch either during or after the process. Then, don't swat unnecessary behinds. Amputate necessary heads.

Blogger VD July 02, 2018 10:01 AM  

War with Mexico began the moment Mexico began invading the US. It is simply moving to a new stage.

Precisely. The Arab-Israeli wars didn't begin in 1948, they began in 1897. It just took that long for the Jews to build up a viable military force. Interestingly enough, that's about the same length of time from the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act until now.

Blogger Crew July 02, 2018 10:08 AM  

Perhaps the reason Trump is talking about removing troops from Germany is so he can defend the Southern border!

Blogger Rhys July 02, 2018 10:08 AM  

Not happy to live in a border state right now, but I refuse to leave. I was born here, I'm dying here, and hopefully there are some others who feel the same way and are ready to do whatever's necessary to prevent this state from becoming a colony of Mexico, instead of fleeing the conflict.

Blogger TM Lutas July 02, 2018 10:13 AM  

There is an alternative construction, to America as everybody's destination. It is explicitly imperialist, that being every destination becoming America. Both are bad, but the one I lay out as an alternative is less unworkable.

I disfavor both. Conventional globalists have to explain why they favor the worse one.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 10:18 AM  

One is the direct and inevitable result of attempting the other, TM Lutas. They're both just as bad eventually, only the consequences hurt more than the action.

Blogger JACIII July 02, 2018 10:21 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"Think of it as a jobs program for SJWs. Overrun their pathetic militaries, install SJW overlords. Leave."

We already do something a whole lot like that, which is exactly the problem. Sow the wind...


You left out the good part and our mistake is not leaving and leaving behind sacrificial SJWs to die horribly.

Wait.... Is that what Benghazi was?? SJW sacrifice?

Blogger Starboard July 02, 2018 10:34 AM  

1897 to 1948 is 51 years. 1965 to 2018 is 53 years. I've been reading through Generations, which I learned about here. This year span keeps popping up as the alternating spiritual/secular upheaval schedule. And here we are, right on schedule.

It will be interesting to see how a large immigrant population changes the four generational personalities. Strauss and Howe disscussed American generations back to the 1600's. There was some American/English/European correlation in the generations, but diffferent populations have different histories and I would think different personalities. Would the globalists messing with the world and the leveling of culture brought on by fast travel and world wide broadcasting bring the generations into alignment, or would it create a dissonance that exacerbates international tensions? I'm thinking the latter.

The population of Mexico is 127 million. The US population is 327 million with 44 million legal immigrants and an estimated 11 million illegals. I think the US has absorbed far more than its "fair share" already. Build the wall; deport them all.

Blogger Unknown July 02, 2018 10:52 AM  

I had a thought just now about this guy getting elected. It took Hugo Chavez 15 years to totally destroy Venezuela, destroyed such that hundreds of thousands are fleeing into neighboring countries.
If AMLO takes roughly the same length of time to do the same to Mexico, that puts the final economic and social destruction of Mexico in the early 2030s time frame, which is precisely when Vox has predicted for thing to come to a head in the United States.

Blogger pnq8787 July 02, 2018 11:08 AM  

Yeah, the U.S. is going to invade Mexico. I'm sure the U.S. soldiers won't be shot in the back and betrayed by their fellow Mexican-American soldiers.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 11:09 AM  

Of course. Purging the military will have to be done, we there our troops cross the border or not.

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 02, 2018 11:17 AM  

Vox, with all due respect. You're wrong. I've lost three friends to illegals already. I have seen my pregnant daughter attacked, had my close friend raped, and lost my home town.

Screw fighting them here. Fight them in the desert before they get within ten miles of our border. Kill them by the bucket load because my friends are never going to come back and never would have died except for illegals.

You think street fighting here in the US is better than the Army setting up a wall like Israel's? You think fifty million invaders forming real military here is better than all of them on the other side?

I don't want them here. I know we have to fight them here but unless we fight them there as they try to cross, we'll have to keep fighting them here forever.

We have to secure the border. That means we need to control the land on both sides even if we do nothing with it.

Blogger freddie_mac July 02, 2018 11:24 AM  

@77 Brick Hardslab

We have to secure the border. That means we need to control the land on both sides even if we do nothing with it.

Create a DMZ, perhaps 10 miles on either side of the US border wall?

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 02, 2018 11:33 AM  

A DMZ is what I want. Israelis have built a border wall that works. We can do the same.

Blogger Crew July 02, 2018 11:38 AM  

I was at the range yesterday. There was one African American family there working on their AR skills, a bunch of Chinese and a trio of Spanish speakers.

One of the Spanish speakers wore a cross, which was a hopeful sign, but I wondered whether or not I would be looking at them through my scope some time in the future ...

Blogger Gen. Kong July 02, 2018 11:42 AM  

'Soon, very soon, after the victory of our movement, we will defend migrants all over the American continent and the migrants of the world who, by necessity, must abandon their towns to find life in the United States; it's a human right we will defend,' Lopez Obrador said in a June speech reported by El Universal.

Another one of Jorge W. Busheron's "natural conservatives", I see. Ann Coulter noted the other day that the last remaining Mexican state which had an age of consent greater than 12 has brought it down to the 12 - just as (((Ginsberg))) and their (((owners))) like it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Fred Reed likes his specialty pizza that way too, since he's always extolling the virtues of the totally corrupt failed state that segments of the territory known as Mexico along with the various Drug and Human trafficking cartels.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 11:43 AM  

@61 stg

Build the wall, kill those on the wrong side.

the solution boiled down!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 11:45 AM  

"I've lost three friends to illegals already. I have seen my pregnant daughter attacked, had my close friend raped, and lost my home town.

Screw fighting them here."


If I were in your shoes I'd be out making people disappear.

We're already fighting them and going to be fighting them here. No one wants to fight them here, but even if we stop any more from getting in, we absolutely MUST fight the ones who are already here as well.

You don't seem to be understanding the difference between the border and where you live. This is probably much to do with the border not being well enough enforced.

As for Vox speaking of war as entanglement, he's correct. The only way it doesn't entangle is if you eradicate every last human being in the area you're warring in, and use no foreign resources, aid, or anything at all gained from still living foreigners. You have to literally go scorched earth for every square inch you so much as have a supply line through.

We don't have the stomach for that.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella July 02, 2018 11:49 AM  

The DMZ would go through prime farmland. That's the only objection.

Someone could cripple them financially. They had a collapse of the peso in the recent past- do it again, after the wall, you'd have starving city people. It's not really an American method of war, but bankers seem to like it.

Second, they are a parasite economy. They have oil rigs in the Gulf. If those aren't pumping oil, then there isn't any income coming in to the government. Alternately, raise production elsewhere, so that the oil is worth only pennies, not pounds.

ICE is doing a bang-up job taking out illegals. I mean, Home Depot doesn't have guys loitering in the parking lot for the first year in forever. That's one indicator.

A border wall is essential, and Trump keeps promising it. He's asking for people to send him Trump-wave candidates. We send them from our state. The other states, all we can do is ask. The sheer unworldliness and lack of interest in the welfare of people in other states has me wanting to nuke Utah from orbit- that's the only state I know that voters have explicitly said "what does the fate of the rest of the usa have to do with me?" I'm assuming their are expecting a Mormon theocracy?

Israeli construction companies already have bids in to build our wall. I'd want something beautiful- beauty lasts millenia b/c it makes people happy- so whomever built California's overpasses would get my preference vote. Israel's wall looks like a Soviet scar on the land.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella July 02, 2018 11:52 AM  

Which 'we' doesn't have the stomach for it? Have you seen Generation Zyklon? They don't want hand to hand combat- why would they, when they can have drones?

Blogger L July 02, 2018 11:55 AM  

I'm from southern Arizona. Have long felt that the only way to fix the border problem is to hold past presidents and other leaders accountable for encouraging this invasion. Nothing will change until the people demonstrate the concept of accountability.

Blogger Gritón del Desierto July 02, 2018 11:57 AM  

Aztlan.That's the reason

Blogger justaguy July 02, 2018 12:00 PM  

Most of America's problems have solutions if we had the unified will to implement them. Immigration- easy to turn off with a few law changes. Illegals-- nation-wide e-verify with large fines per illegal per day with rewards/portion of the fines for turning in employers. Add new rules for quick deportation and actually following asylum rules and numbers go down. However the coalition of dems who want new identity voters, especially with motor voter, mass media who are running the dems,and finally a large group of rich repubs who want cheap labor we do not have the political will to pass the laws that the majority of Americans actually want. Trump is the first one who evoked this disaster to the population and it resonated. However, he can't even get a wall funded with more than a pittance.

I'd say the same thing happened in Europe but along a different timeline. The imports to Europe seem much more anti-West and violent than most of the US imports ( a few MS-13 and the like- maybe 10%). The population is rebelling, but has the numbers of immigrants actually stopped yet?

Rather than war with Mexico-- I;d rather just cut off legal and illegal immigration and heavily tax all Funds going south.

Blogger marco moltisanti July 02, 2018 12:07 PM  

Precisely. Everyone acts like the US military is composed mainly of stalwart ethnic nationalist American patriots eager to defend their country to the death if necessary. It isn't. For every guy like that I see like that I see a dozen Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, black supremacists, and single moms.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 12:07 PM  

It boils down to there is no such thing as magic dirt. If there is no magic dirt, then Mexicans will take mexico with them wherever they go, Hondurans will bring honduras.... hence Stg's solution is the only one when.

Blogger Jack Amok July 02, 2018 12:09 PM  

What a political platform this guy has. "Vote for me and I promise not to fix our sh@thole country, but instead to help you move to a nicer place!"

As far as colonialism, the only kind that's ever half-way worked is killing off half the natives of the province and resettling the rest scattered around the other colonies. And even that still failed in the end.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 12:10 PM  

@83

You have to literally go scorched earth for every square inch you so much as have a supply line through.

We don't have the stomach for that.



Well, not yet anyway. That could well change before too long. Once american bellies start going empty EVERYTHING changes.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 12:14 PM  

@88 Rather than war with Mexico-- I;d rather just cut off legal and illegal immigration and heavily tax all Funds going south.

Mexico is a failed Narco state. The only thing keeping pseudo-functional is oil revenue, remittances from the US and the immigration northward as a human relief valve.
Build the wall and stop remittances, and Mexico reverts to full on failed state overnight. Not that such a fate is a problem, but it doesnt avoid war.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 02, 2018 12:16 PM  

Bellies are already going empty.

Once they start going empty the way you're talking about, it won't even be possible to take an organized war into Mexico.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 12:35 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Screw fighting them here. Fight them in the desert before they get within ten miles of our border. Kill them by the bucket load because my friends are never going to come back and never would have died except for illegals.

I don't want them here. I know we have to fight them here but unless we fight them there as they try to cross, we'll have to keep fighting them here forever.

We have to secure the border. That means we need to control the land on both sides even if we do nothing with it.


We should depopulate Mexico farther south than Mexico city, and keep it depopulated. Let the northern half of Mexico be a wildlife preserve. That's a decent DMZ.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:As for Vox speaking of war as entanglement, he's correct. The only way it doesn't entangle is if you eradicate every last human being in the area you're warring in, and use no foreign resources, aid, or anything at all gained from still living foreigners. You have to literally go scorched earth for every square inch you so much as have a supply line through.


Sounds good to me.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:We don't have the stomach for that.

Some of us do.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion July 02, 2018 12:35 PM  

Not a chance. Mx gets tons of dollars from illegals sending cash back home to families. They have no shortage of warm bodies.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 12:37 PM  

@94

Not at any appreciable degree. Its still at a level easily hidden by the MSM. Yes I'm aware whites get turned away from soup kitchens and denied food stamps. But the level that will trigger wide spread empty bellies, middle class families truely wondering where their next meal comes from, is something akin to a 60%+ drop in the markets.

Blogger Gen. Kong July 02, 2018 12:37 PM  

@77. Read #62 and VD's reply. This would be viable only in another country. The Mexicans and other invaders know what they want and are united in purpose. By contrast, more than half the population of the targeted country either a) actively supports the invaders for a variety of reasons; or b) denies an invasion is taking place (cuckservatives, civic nationalists and churchians in particular). Trump can't even get control of his own state department or DOJ at this stage. In order to attempt the military solution to guarding the border, martial law would need to be declared.

We're 18 months into the presidency of a civic nationalist and there's no wall. There's more enforcement than under Hussein but we've not seen the mayors, country sheriffs and city councils of sanctuary cities arrested for breaking the law (which they've done) with officials appointed to enforce laws until new elections can be held - in which foreigners are not allowed to vote. There's actually a relatively simple way to make millions of the invaders self-deport: arrest the business owners who hire them and use the full force of asset seizure against them. It's much easier to arrest 100,000 chamber or commerce cucks - most of whom are whites or (((fake whites))) and will not be painted as "victims" by (((fake news))) - than it is to round up tens of millions. Once those who hired them are gone, most well head back.

As noted before, Trump is a mild civic nationalist. He believes in magic dirt. So does Q-anon for that matter ("Patriots only bleed red"). Both deny reality. The Mexicans in the Banana Empire legion will side with Mexico when the shooting starts, regardless of what Q or Trump think. At least half the whites will refuse to fight back (see South Africa if you don't believe this). Sadly, VD's scenario (breakup of USA into separate countries) appears to be far more likely given the factors about the citizenry listed above. These factors could change, but most folks cannot be bothered to even take the simple steps of cutting the cord or removing their offspring from public edumacayshun - even at this late stage.

I read over at the hopium dens of the chans there are now 45,000 sealed court documents (not all are necessarily indictments, by the way). These mean nothing at all unless someone is willing to actually take action. Given a totally pozzed judicial system in which blackrobes have declared themselves to be the Philosopha-kangz or Murika, the only way to actually get the criminals off the streets and into prison would - again - be martial law and military courts.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 12:39 PM  

justaguy wrote:
Rather than war with Mexico-- I;d rather just cut off legal and illegal immigration and heavily tax all Funds going south.


It would be nice to avoid war, but the enemy gets to veto peace. There will be war, because the Mexicans desperately need it. Our only choice is whether we win or lose.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 12:40 PM  

@95

Being fully committed, we could remove the immigrant invasion and depopulate mexico all the way down to Mexico city in 3 years.
Unfortunately it will take the breakup of the US to generate enough people with the resolve to act at the level of scorched earth.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 12:41 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:There's actually a relatively simple way to make millions of the invaders self-deport: arrest the business owners who hire them and use the full force of asset seizure against them. It's much easier to arrest 100,000 chamber or commerce cucks - most of whom are whites or (((fake whites))) and will not be painted as "victims" by (((fake news))) - than it is to round up tens of millions. Once those who hired them are gone, most well head back.

That would help the immediate problem, and is worth doing. Prosecuting the traitors who hire illegals hasn't happened yet.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 12:43 PM  

Kettle wrote:@95
Being fully committed, we could remove the immigrant invasion and depopulate mexico all the way down to Mexico city in 3 years.

Unfortunately it will take the breakup of the US to generate enough people with the resolve to act at the level of scorched earth.


Our lack of will will produce the conditions which will produce the will.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion July 02, 2018 12:56 PM  

Maybe they'll be the ones to finally build the [expletive] wall.

Blogger Levendis July 02, 2018 1:01 PM  

He wants to give "Amnistia" to cartels, although he hasn't expounded upon what that will look like. What a fun ride this will be.

Blogger NO GOOGLES July 02, 2018 1:09 PM  

@91
It's obvious that he's the Cartel candidate. That's literally the entire corrupt ruling class strategy in Mexico: pillage the entire country as much as possible, and when the plebs start to get to uppity, encourage them to cross the border so they don't start a revolt.

This has been their strategy for at least 2 decades and likely more. Even the Mexican Interior Department prints up and distributes pamphlets to slums instructing people how to illegally immigrate and claim benefits. It also props up their economy and provides more loot to plunder.

In reality, the corrupt ruling class of Mexico is not only plundering the people of Mexico, but by proxy they are plundering the USA as well. At this point, the best option for long term stability would be to go full Bantu on them and just erase them from history entirely.

Blogger NO GOOGLES July 02, 2018 1:10 PM  

@101
Yes, this is an excellent idea. Shoot the traitors first, always.

Blogger Dire Badger July 02, 2018 1:10 PM  

Proof that the quickest way to power in Mexico is to promise them a welfare state.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 1:16 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:Proof that the quickest way to power in Mexico is to promise them a welfare state.

After a century of socialism in Mexico, promising them Mexican welfare is neither a credible promise nor a winning platform. Promising them American welfare is definitely a winning platform!

Levendis wrote:He wants to give "Amnistia" to cartels, although he hasn't expounded upon what that will look like. What a fun ride this will be.

I'm sure it will look however the cartels tell him to make it look. The cartels seem to own the military, or the military is a competing cartel, or something like that, so there is no reason to think that the government has any power to contain the cartels.

Blogger justaguy July 02, 2018 1:19 PM  

#99: On avoiding war. With our current policies, there is no need of war, we are giving the enemies what they want- virtually unlimited access to the US and lots of funds. If we change our policies, does anyone see Mexico invading the US? Does anyone see rockets coming in from south of the border-- Mexico remembers Gen. Black and the foray into MExico to stop the rebel/bandits from coming across the border.

If we stop immigration as mentioned, I don't think that Mexico will go to war for immigration-- especially after we stop funds going south for security reasons (it is going to terrorists so impounded!) Too many scenarios where the border becomes hot, but not a war-- we are too powerful.

Blogger NO GOOGLES July 02, 2018 1:21 PM  

@108
It's a lot worse than the government not having the power to contain the cartels. The cartels hold an inordinate amount of influence over the government. They are almost assuredly the single most influential actor when it comes to the government.

Anything that supports immigration is cartel driven. The cartel's business model solely relies on abusing the fact that our border is unprotected.

Blogger Hammerli280 July 02, 2018 1:23 PM  

"...the contemporary United States is not a nation, but rather, an idea that belongs to all nations..."

That's nice. They can take the idea home with them and put it to work there. We'll even include a copy of the Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and (special for this week) the C.S. Constitution. No charge.

But they have to take out. The United States is not a live-in ideological diner.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 1:27 PM  

109. justaguy

If we stop immigration as mentioned, I don't think that Mexico will go to war for immigration

It wont be a declared hot war, it will be 4th Gen / low grade warfare. There are 20 million+ illegals in the US, cut of remittances and build an actual wall and the dont just quietly play nice. Best case they still build mexico here!

Blogger Hammerli280 July 02, 2018 1:32 PM  

FWIW, I fear that Mexico will be the sort of running sore for the United States that Scotland was to England. Note that the ultimate solution for the English was an extended military occupation after the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745-46, combined with an aggressive deportation policy and an attempt at cultural genocide.

And those measures had a definite end-point with the end of the Stuart dynasty. Once Charles Edward Stuart was in his grave and his brother a Cardinal, the Stuart threat to the House of Hanover was ended. And the measures to prevent another Jacobite war were dropped.

Solving Mexico's problems would be at least as difficult...and yes, they would involve a wholesale cultural transplant. Which would take at least three generations.

No good answers here.

Blogger Hammerli280 July 02, 2018 1:38 PM  

I'm at the point of thinking that the best thing might BE a declared war. Not so much to whack Mexico City with a B-83, but because it would allow the immediate expulsion of every Mexican national, legal or illegal, in the United States. And prosecution for any U.S. citizen harboring an Enemy Alien.

I'll confess to being a bit of a Civic Nationalist...but I'm a Theodore Roosevelt one. You want to come here, you adopt our ways and are loyal to the U.S. alone. We have taken in FAR more immigrants than we can assimilate, and failed to require them to learn our ways or our language.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 1:40 PM  

justaguy wrote:#99: On avoiding war. With our current policies, there is no need of war, we are giving the enemies what they want- ...

Surrender doesn't avoid war, nor end the invasion. Our only choice is whether we win or lose, because the war started already.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 1:42 PM  

NO MOTHER FUCKER NO HAMMERLI

WHAT PART OF THIS IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, CUCK?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 02, 2018 1:50 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:I'll confess to being a bit of a Civic Nationalist...but I'm a Theodore Roosevelt one. You want to come here, you adopt our ways and are loyal to the U.S. alone.

That ship has sailed, and sunk. The time we could have lived with a few outsiders passed decades ago.

Blogger James Dixon July 02, 2018 2:01 PM  

> If AMLO takes roughly the same length of time to do the same to Mexico

Venezuela was relatively prosperous. Mexico isn't.

> We don't have the stomach for that.

Speak for yourself. At this point I'd willingly kill even Mexican it that's what it took to stop the invasion.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:01 PM  

@4

"And soon, very soon, III Corps and their friends in 1st and 2nd MarDiv will decide to take a vacation and visit Mexico City. Naturally, we can't expect them to apply for visas or wait for the formal processes to request legal entry to Mexico. Nor should we expect our fine young men to adapt to the local culture."

III Corps?

More like First Army.

Blogger James Dixon July 02, 2018 2:02 PM  

I may need new glasses. Even --> every.

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 02, 2018 2:05 PM  

At this point I don't care if we turn everything south of the Rio Grande into a wildlife preserve. We're already at a simmering war here. And our traitors are aiding and abetting.

They need to be treated as real traitors. If you hire, house, aid, or support an illegal deportation should be the least of the punishments.

Blogger Crew July 02, 2018 2:12 PM  

It seems that one place in Mexico has already experimented with direct democracy:

In their place, the people of Cherán developed an autonomous system of self-rule based on horizontal, direct-democratic assemblies.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/gykaq9/a-town-in-mexico-overthrew-their-local-government-things-couldnt-be-going-better

Not sure what to think.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:32 PM  

@17

"why would the new President of Mexico declare it is a universal human right to settle in the United States? Why isn't it a universal human right to settle in Mexico? They have taxpayers to soak too, don't they?"

Because AMLO wants Mexicans to do Reconquista on the US... he doesn't want the US doing CONQUISTA on Mexico.

@29

English Tom wrote:
>> I didn't read this in any UN documents (must have been hidden in the small print!).

> Take another look, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that it's actually in there.

Considering that the team who set up the U.N. was lead by ALGER HISS, I'm sure it is.

Blogger Reasonably Honest July 02, 2018 2:40 PM  

I do not know and would absolutely not speculate on the specific actions which will take place because of the USA/Mexico situation.

I do know that it will be nasty at best and an absolute shitshow of epic proportions at least. May God help Mexico and everyone who identifies as a Mexican in whole or in part regardless. Like the CIA dude in Sicario said, there will almost certainly be a dramatic overreaction that will get worse the longer this situation is not resolved one way or another.

El Tri is out of the cup so we got that going for us.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:40 PM  

@35

"We can expect Mexico to have a host of allies including China and Iran to provide arms and materiel. We cannot expect "allies" to do more than utter platitudes. Is there a portion of the deep state that backs and help raise up AMLO?"


A bunch of noisy diesel-electric subs, and 1 aircraft carrier won't last more than a couple of days against the blockade ships. [Anybody notice how our ships aren't running into things anymore? It seems removing all of the Admiral Pokemon-Point types has generated immediate, tangible improvements].

In any event, No ship will enter or leave Mexic, especially coming from all the way across the Atlantic or Pacific.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:41 PM  

@35

"The only question is when; assuming we are not already in a quiet war with Mexico."

While we haven't been at war with Mexico, Mexico has been at war with us for the last 100 years.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:45 PM  

@42

"Long story about, the next US and Mexican War will be fought almost solely on US soil."

Until we carpet bomb Mexico City, and every single structure up to 100 miles south of the border. Scorched Earth can be an offensive strategy, too.

Blogger Hammerli280 July 02, 2018 2:46 PM  

@126: 100 years? I think a good argument can be made that the Mexican War didn't end in 1850, it merely went quiescent.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:47 PM  

@48

"Sounds like the plot to Red Dawn. Sadly that would be easier to resist than migration. I hope the god emperor sees through this for what it really is."

You think his IQ permanently dropped to 70 last night?

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:49 PM  

@49

"Dude Venezuelans are all over the place even here in argentina's south"


Damn, dude, what are you doing in southern Argentina?

BTW, what's it take to get a couple Alpacas?

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:51 PM  

@50

"More people are killed by illegals than all the semi auto rifles in America combined."

Soon, it will be, "more illegals are killed by semi-auto rifles in America than all other people combined."

Blogger Matamoros July 02, 2018 2:54 PM  

Jim Stone notes:

Where is the MSM not being accurate now? By calling Obrador a "leftist".

FACT: Supporting workers rights, and increasing an apocalyptically low minimum wage does not make you a leftist - being pro abortion, pro NWO, pro-carbon tax warmist, anti-God, a pedophile child slave trader, and many other forms of satanic debauchery, including being an unabashed liar and complete idiot makes you a leftist! That is certainly NOT OBRADOR.

- - - -

Are we being had by the corrupt Mexican government about Obrador? Don't know. Hope he isn't the Trotskyite many are saying.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:55 PM  

@58


"We already have to fight them here. Don't let's cross the border and end up fighting more of them when we can just reinforce the wall by piling the corpses of the ones who attempt to invade from here on out."

Trebuchet and catapult the rotting corpses of their dead back onto the side of the wall they belong on.

Besides, May-hee-cans LOVE to worship Saint Death.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:56 PM  

@59

"Venezuela 2 - Aztec Edition here we come!"

Learn to Meme

Venezuela 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Blogger Hammerli280 July 02, 2018 2:58 PM  

WRT Sarah, I have a simple proposal.

We keep her, but expel a native-born leftist in her stead. And since we don't want to make things in Portugal any worse, we expel two leftists.

Halfway to Portugal. Or maybe three leftists a third of the way. :-)

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 2:59 PM  

In case you weren't around, or not yet sentient back then,

First, there was the movie "Breakin'"... a movie about ... breakdancers, which had a total box office revenue of something like $25..... with 80% of that at a single theater in Harlem.

And before you knew it, there was

"Breakin' Two: Electric Boogaloo"

the sequel to something that NOBODY wanted in the first place.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 3:03 PM  

@64

> The defensive strategy of "let's just deport the bad ones" is doomed to failure and will doom the US.


Do any of his extended family live in, or were they born in Mexico?

Yes?

Then he's a bad one.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 3:07 PM  

@72

"Wait.... Is that what Benghazi was?? SJW sacrifice?"

Chris Stevens was running guns to ISIS for Hillary.

While it doesn't excuse her behavior, Christ Stevens deserved to die a horrible death.

As for the other 4 Americans, who knows if they knew what they were part of, or were they in the dark?

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 3:15 PM  

@73

"Would the globalists messing with the world and the leveling of culture brought on by fast travel and world wide broadcasting bring the generations into alignment, or would it create a dissonance that exacerbates international tensions? I'm thinking the latter."


ABSOLUTELY it's the latter.

Do you want to know why Russia always has such a horrible relationship with the rest of Europe most of the time?

It's because Eastern Europe and Russia are 20-years ahead on the schedule compared to Central and Western Europe.

For example, Eastern Europe and Russia had a crisis phase starting in the 1910's -- look at what was going on in Russia ... the Dekabristi in 1905, an attempted assassination of Tsar Nicholas (first use of a hand grenade). And then down in Serbia, you get the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, because the Serbs (who the Russians think of as their "little brothers") were sick of being ruled by non-Slavs...

So... Russia finally gets back on it's feet in the 1930's...and then Western Europe goes into IT'S crisis phase.

We see the same thing happening again.

Russia's last crisis phase started was the mid-1990... and they're just coming out of it... and Western Europe and North America are just going INTO ours now.

Look back 160-200 years ago, and you'll see the same pattern. Look back another 80 years earlier, and you'll see it again.

and again, and again.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 3:23 PM  

Hey, we will need a test range for our new hypersonic weapons. if we launch from white sands from mexico city north makes a nice test range for the entire family of hypersonic munitions!

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 3:29 PM  

@75

"Yeah, the U.S. is going to invade Mexico. I'm sure the U.S. soldiers won't be shot in the back and betrayed by their fellow Mexican-American soldiers."

The Nissei were assigned exclusively to the European Theater of Operations, and not the Pacific Theater of Operations for 2 specific reasons

1) To prevent any rediscovered loyalty to the Japanese homeland resulting in US troops getting shot by Nissei troops.

2) To prevent US troops from slaughtering the Nissei due to not being able to differentiate them from infiltrators wearing captured uniforms.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 3:33 PM  

@77

"Vox, with all due respect. You're wrong. I've lost three friends to illegals already. I have seen my pregnant daughter attacked, had my close friend raped, and lost my home town.

Screw fighting them here. Fight them in the desert before they get within ten miles of our border. Kill them by the bucket load because my friends are never going to come back and never would have died except for illegals.

You think street fighting here in the US is better than the Army setting up a wall like Israel's? You think fifty million invaders forming real military here is better than all of them on the other side?"

I understand your logic.

However, consider this.

Where was the Civil War fought (whose ground)?

In which territory does hardly a day go by without the people of that land thinking about the Civil War?


A war on our soil with Mexico could be a very good thing for the long-term health of the nation -- it will be like the War for Independence, or the War of 1812 -- it will stay in the public's mind for generations... Unlike the Mexican War (1848), which most American's don't even know happened, let alone forgetting it happened.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 3:52 PM  

@83

"As for Vox speaking of war as entanglement, he's correct. The only way it doesn't entangle is if you eradicate every last human being in the area you're warring in, and use no foreign resources, aid, or anything at all gained from still living foreigners. You have to literally go scorched earth for every square inch you so much as have a supply line through.

We don't have the stomach for that."

ALMO's dumb enough to make it happen.

Blogger Kettle July 02, 2018 3:58 PM  

Fighting on american soil isnt up for debate, it WILL happen. 20 million + invaders are just going to quietly leave????The question is how ruthless will we end up being and how long.

Whats coming, spanish civil war crossed with an ethnic conflict
https://youtu.be/81RhewkQbOk

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:04 PM  

@84

"The DMZ would go through prime farmland. That's the only objection."

Prime MEXICAN farmland. IDGAF.


"Israeli construction companies already have bids in to build our wall. I'd want something beautiful- beauty lasts millenia b/c it makes people happy-"


Have you taken a look at Jewish "Art" ???

The sculptures always look like something a high-schooler with absolutely NO training in sculpting would produce.

And let's not forget the atrocious (((Bauhaus))) architectural style, consisting of ugly planes of dull concrete, interrupted by occasional windows.

And If you need more understanding, look at the typical buildings designed constructed at the direction of the (((Soviet Union officials))).


Jews have a good ear for music, but their eye for beauty is nonexistant.







Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 02, 2018 4:08 PM  

I'm all for colonialism in S America, if by colonialism you mean N-U-K-E-S.
That's what I'm into.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 02, 2018 4:11 PM  

My great-great-whatever grandfather fought in General Wool's unit alongside a young Robert E Lee in the Spanish-American War.
His son then went on to serve under Lee and was at Appamattox with him.
I take this stuff rather seriously.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:13 PM  

@89

"Precisely. Everyone acts like the US military is composed mainly of stalwart ethnic nationalist American patriots eager to defend their country to the death if necessary. It isn't. For every guy like that I see like that I see a dozen Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, black supremacists, and single moms."

You're not looking at combat arms units.

Infantry, Cav, Armor, and Aviation are overwhelmingly white, the trigger pullers and combat MOS types are all male.

Blogger Triumph of Rome July 02, 2018 4:16 PM  

Colonies are different than empires. Colonizing Mexico with American settlements and pushing out the Mexicans is very different than trying to conquer and rule Mexico.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 02, 2018 4:17 PM  

Dude, they've been saying "11 million illegal immigrants" since the early 00's.
Coulter placed it around 30-40 million in 2015, when she wrote "Adios, America."
Just like the figure of 300 million firearms belonging to US citizens is wrong.
That figure is more likely to be 500+ million, according to some autiste nerds who went back and did deep dives on the figures.
Never believe a number the media gives you that stays the same for a decade or more.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 02, 2018 4:19 PM  

And you haven't dissolved any bodies in acid yet?

WHY???

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:28 PM  

@103

"Maybe [the troops brought home from German will] be the ones to finally build the [expletive] wall."

Remember the following

1: Construction Engineering units can practice building base perimeter. In this case, a 2000-mile long southward-facing perimeter

2: We can rotate other units to pair/up with the construction units -- EVERY SOLDIER will cross-train to construction engineering MOS relevant to creating fortifications in an OJT manner (i.e. not at a "school house"... on the JOB, at actual "working site" exercise... (which of course, once each exercise is finished, that section of wall will not be torn down).

Funding -- Remember Trumps December 2017 Executive Order, which directs for the seizing all funds and assets by anybody involved, even indirectly, with human trafficking or any form of government corruption.

How many thousand pedos have been arrested these last 17 months? Pretty soon, they're going to run out of the bottom-of-the-network, and start moving UP the network, and getting to where the money is.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:30 PM  

@105

"
In reality, the corrupt ruling class of Mexico is not only plundering the people of Mexico, but by proxy they are plundering the USA as well. At this point, the best option for long term stability would be to go full Bantu on them and just erase them from history entirely."

They are hereditary Spanish, after all.... and look at how Spain has been run for centuries.

Blogger James Dixon July 02, 2018 4:36 PM  

> Look back 160-200 years ago, and you'll see the same pattern. Look back another 80 years earlier, and you'll see it again.

Thus the oft noted trend that civilization travels from east to west.

> The question is how ruthless will we end up being and how long.

Ask Vox's ancestors about that one.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:38 PM  

@114

"I'm at the point of thinking that the best thing might BE a declared war. Not so much to whack Mexico City with a B-83, but because it would allow the immediate expulsion of every Mexican national, legal or illegal, in the United States. And prosecution for any U.S. citizen harboring an Enemy Alien."

You hit the nail on the head.

A declared war with Mexico means that EVERY Mexican inside the U.S. has a price on his head, AND is eligible (per Geneva Convention Rules) to indefinite detainment, WITHOUT TRIAL, ***UNTIL*** a Peace Treaty is signed (cease fire is not sufficient cause to demand release), and expulsion when hostilities have ended, no immigration hearings needed.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:40 PM  

And by price on every Mexican's head...

Once a war is declared, the fed gov can demand that every Mexican citizen turn himself in. Any Mexican civilian who DOESN'T turn himself in can be LEGALLY (per the Geneva Convention) PRESUMED, without evidence, to be a spy.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:43 PM  

@114

"I'll confess to being a bit of a Civic Nationalist...but I'm a Theodore Roosevelt one. You want to come here, you adopt our ways and are loyal to the U.S. alone. We have taken in FAR more immigrants than we can assimilate, and failed to require them to learn our ways or our language."

And the Irish had already been here for half a century when Teddy Roosevelt made that statement... and it's been ANOTHER FULL CENTURY SINCE then, and they still haven't assimilated.

They all have to go back. Even the ones who we have naturalized as citizens. If they complain, tell them that they didn't work hard enough at getting their fellow Aztecs and mestizos to assimilate.

Blogger Dire Badger July 02, 2018 4:44 PM  

If it gives us an excuse to hang 'Joze Guitterez, Immigration advocate/lawyer, Helps YOU fight for your family's rights!', that has a phone number on the back of every bust stop bench from here to Provo, I am all for it.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:46 PM  

"They need to be treated as real traitors. If you hire, house, aid, or support an illegal deportation should be the least of the punishments."

Something like this --

Hey Frank, you like having Mexicans work for you so much... you get to join them for a one-way trip down to Mexico. Don't come back -- ICE has been ordered that, if they find you, to put you in federal PMITA prison for 10 years.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 4:53 PM  

@140

"Hey, we will need a test range for our new hypersonic weapons. if we launch from white sands[, then] from mexico city north makes a nice test range for the entire family of hypersonic munitions!"

And by entire family of munitions, that means el nino, la nina, los hermonas, las hermanas, mama, papo... TODOS!

Blogger Dire Badger July 02, 2018 4:55 PM  

@Dirk-

You want to Gripe about the New York Irish, be my guest... but the Appalachian and Southern Irish were Americans a hundred and fifty years before a bunch of Limey Latecomers decided to give King George the finger.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 5:13 PM  

@161

"You want to Gripe about the New York Irish, be my guest... but the Appalachian and Southern Irish were Americans a hundred and fifty years before a bunch of Limey Latecomers decided to give King George the finger."

My mistake. I mean the NYC/Boston variety, not the Appalachian variety.

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 02, 2018 5:53 PM  

Like that. I don't know if the war will turn hot or not but audacious epigone has noted that the replacement Americans aren't going to wait. They're shoving the old guard left to the side. How many fake Americans will it take screaming for no border and guaranteed income for invaders before even the left can't stand it?

Blogger Latigo3 July 02, 2018 5:53 PM  

This is hilarious!

Blogger Dire Badger July 02, 2018 6:32 PM  

@Dirk-

Big of you. I sometimes wonder if the Cromwell killed off or deported all of the fiercely independent Gael, because the types that followed in the 1900's were a completely different breed... and the ones that stayed were (and are) idiots.

Blogger Hammerli280 July 02, 2018 6:59 PM  

@165: It wasn't Cromwell. The Scots-Irish who made up Wave 2 immigration (ca. 1690-1720) were damned hard to kill...and had already been moved from Scotland to Ireland before they up and moved to what would become the United States. Which is why they were so very willing to toss the British out in 1776.

The Irish-Irish of Wave 4b immigration (ca 1850-1865) were a completely different group. Instead of moving to the frontier like previous immigrants, they set up enclaves in Northeastern cities...with predictable results.

Blogger tublecane July 02, 2018 7:00 PM  

@67- Interesting thing, you read old news articles and essays from the early 20th century, when they were perpetually warning about Jews imperiled in Europe (mostly Russia, then Poland, Germany, and so forth), and the Zionists always talk as if the Jews are incapable of violence of any sort. They deny so much as a drop of blood has been sacrificed by peaceful refugees just looking for sanctuary.

This was for the white audience. I'm sure amongst themselves it was a different story.

Then suddenly after WWII they go all-in, and when they get their ethnostate it's "Screw you, we're doing what we want." Not that they publicize their violence. The origins of the state of Israel, and the terrorism necessary to achieve it are still mysterious to most Americans. (Don't know about the rest of the world.)

But they can't hide international wars, and now the media covers every little dust-up. Still, to them machine-gunning Palestinian children at the border is the Palestinians' fault. Like it or lump or, it's happening.

Meanwhile, if Trump did that a our border, he'd be Literally Hitler x1,000, and people would be collaborating with foreign powers to unseat him.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 02, 2018 7:14 PM  

Trump and AMLO are talking now. It occurs to me that the only way for him to get out from the thumb of the cartels is his approval for a sea of cruise missiles to hit cartel houses and facilities and leadership. If that happened, AMLO would be trading one set of capos for the capo di capos.

Blogger Dire Badger July 02, 2018 7:30 PM  

If Trump is a Capo he is OUR Capo.

Blogger Jack Amok July 02, 2018 8:17 PM  

In reality, the corrupt ruling class of Mexico is not only plundering the people of Mexico, but by proxy they are plundering the USA as well. At this point, the best option for long term stability would be to go full Bantu on them and just erase them from history entirely.

I completely agree, the only thing I am slightly astonished by is that his platform of "I'll continue to screw things up here but make it easy for you to leave" worked.

Then again, it's Mexico, so, of course. Natural Born Conservatives, right?

Blogger DonReynolds July 02, 2018 9:35 PM  

The regular US Army has one armored division remaining. After parking in West Germany during the Cold War, the First Armored Division was pulled back to the USA. Where is it based?

Answer.....Fort Bliss, Texas
(El Paso)...
Right in the middle of the Mexican border.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 03, 2018 1:44 AM  

"Speak for yourself. At this point I'd willingly kill even Mexican it that's what it took to stop the invasion."

So would I.

Now step outside and look around.

Our own nationals are often too cucked to even countenance imprisonment for illegals. Now add in all the aliens, legal or otherwise. Now add in all the <4 generation immigrants.

Even if we had every last one of our own nationals in line, as long as there are other nations legally in the US and with any say in things whatsoever, we have to override their stomachs too.

It's not going to happen. Maybe AFTER the war(s) is/are over on our own soil we might be able to think about it, but it isn't looking good at this point.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 03, 2018 1:58 AM  

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, Moammar Gaddafi, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Sarah D'Almeida Hoyt to the logical conclusion that the contemporary United States is not a nation, but rather, an idea that belongs to all nations and that immigration to the USA is a basic human right.

If Vox Day does not care for people making up lies about him, he should not make them up about other people. Mrs Hoyt has stated on more than once that immigration into the United States is in fact a privilege; one that the United States may extend or withdraw at will.

A privilege, moreover that if the recipient is not properly grateful for, treating it as an adopted son would his admission into a new family and tribe, he does not deserve and ought not be granted.

Where she, and I, differ from Vox Day is that the founding principles of America are ALSO important, not just the land and the people. Liberty, rule of law rather than men, and a government that serves the people, in which all men are sovereign, are crucial to our identity as Americans. "Posterity" that lack it, are no true Americans, adopted sons and daughters that do are.

The idea the these values make her the same as a damned commie or a Muslim is slander.

It is as false as claiming that because Vox Day is wrong about race trumping culture in IQ, and because he claims that IQ is a necessary requirement for civil society, that he also believes that IQ determines virtue.

He owes Mrs. Hoyt an apology for that calumny.

Blogger Dire Badger July 03, 2018 2:48 AM  

Apologize to a leftist for things they have implied?
Excuse me sir, your bowtie twirling offends me. Pistols at sunrise.

Blogger tublecane July 03, 2018 5:20 AM  

@173- Let's say I told you there were certain things necessary to cooking a sausage and egg casserole, and that these were: sausage, eggs, and some sort of cooking device, could you make the casserole. Assuming you have no additional knowledge of what goes into a casserole, could you prepare it?

Not really. You'd need to know what a casserole is, most of the other ingredients, portions, time and temperature for cooking, what utensils and techniques to employ, and so on.

What makes you think a few vague concepts from Jefferson or Lincoln can allow someone to magically become a national? Even studying it your whole life. Our folkways are irreducibly complex.

It's not that Vox thinks the principles of the Founding are unimportant. It's that they were by and for transplanted Englishmen, mostly. I have seen no proof those not bred to follow them and not immersed in the culture that formulated them since birth.

All sorts of different peoples have had a go at American civilization since the Founding. Founding stock haven't done a great job at holding onto their principles, frankly, but I defy anyone to say they aren't fitter candidates for citizenship than a guy from Timbuktu or Burkina Faso.

We can't know exactly how much our conception of Founding ideals have changed with time. The fact that most of them were perfectly fine with slavery is a tip-off that our culture has radically changed. And I refuse to believe that has nothing to do with foreign hordes moving in.


Blogger Dirk Manly July 03, 2018 11:06 AM  

@167

"Meanwhile, if Trump did that a our border, he'd be Literally Hitler x1,000, and people would be collaborating with foreign powers to unseat him."

You say that as if the Democrats, and the FBI didn't already collaborate with foreign powers as a gambit to unseat him.

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