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Sunday, July 08, 2018

SJW professionalism

Or, as you might suspect, the lack thereof. So, back in February, before we found our current colorist, I was contacting different colorists to see what our options are. Ethan van Sciver recommended a gentleman by the name of Bill Baumann, and I quite liked his approach to coloring so I contacted him. For some inexplicable reason, that email was posted on Twitter today.


I contacted Mr. Baumann to ask how this extraordinarily unprofessional publication of my email to him had come to be in the possession of Corey Hodgdon, and he didn't see fit to explain himself. But Spacebunny did bring the following Facebook post to my attention; it appears that Mr. Baumann is foolishly attempting to ingratiate himself with the SJWs in the comics industry. Who knows, perhaps they will even reward him for behaving in this manner.


Of course, like all SJWs, Baumann is lying. I never said anything about being in the forefront of either Gamergate or Comicsgate; I never mentioned anything about Comicsgate and I'm not involved in it anyhow. And while I am, of course, the Leader of GamerGate, I did not see fit to mention that. I didn't brag about anything, but I did give Mr. Baumann an accurate idea of who I am and Arkhaven stands for. The pretense that he didn't know anything about me until he Googled it after our conversation is entirely false. I warned him that both the project and I were considered to be controversial by some in the comics industry and even told him that we had no problem with him using a pen name; he assured me that he had no problem working with us at all.

As for his over-inflated rates, he must be quite a bit cheaper these days, because the rates he quoted me didn't seem unreasonable at all for a top-flight colorist. In fact, I was planning to take him up on coloring some covers until discovering how hopelessly unprofessional he is today. So, in order to set the record straight, here is the complete email exchange between Mr. Baumann and me, redacting only his telephone number and email address.

On 2/9/2018 5:39 AM, Bill Baumann wrote:

Heya Vox,

Thanks for the kind words. We’re going to get along a whole lot better if you call me Moose!

My dance card is pretty full these days, but I could probably fit in some covers, depending on what kind of deadlines we’re looking at. I’m in Iowa, I think seven hours behind you. You can usually catch me before I go into the office at 730am, or after 5pm local time. And I’m almost always free on the weekend. Feel free to give me a shout whenever it’s convenient for you. [telephone # redacted]

Moose-


On Feb 9, 2018, at 8:08 AM, Vox wrote:

Hey Moose,

Great talking to you this morning! I'm delighted to hear you may have some interest in working with us. Here are some examples of Cliff Cosmic's work - we encourage the use of pen names - as well as what the colorists have done with it. This is his first pro work, so he's very inexperienced, but I tend to like his style. I'll be curious to know what you make of his potential and if you'd be willing to work with him.

As I mentioned in our conversation, I'd like to know your page rates for interiors and covers, as well as what interior scenario is of the most interest to you.

Best regards,

Vox


On 2/9/2018 6:45 PM, Bill Baumann wrote:

Hey Vox, I really enjoyed our talk this morning. You’ve got some exciting things going on, and I look forward to being a part of it all.

I definitely like Cliff’s work. It’s a little rough here and there, but he really has potential. The animation style coloring on the first piece is the type of look that I’d go for, more hard-edged coloring on the figures, which a painted style/look for the backgrounds. I did something similar in the past, and it turned out really sweet.

I’ll quote you my DC page rates, which is $250 for a cover, $150 for an interior page. I think I’d rather just stick with a flat rate, if that’s okay with you. I think it would be less hassle for everyone. 

Would this be a monthly book? The standard 22 pages? 

Moose-


On Feb 9, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Vox wrote:

Hey Moose,

I'm glad to hear you think Cliff's work is sound. It will be a more or less monthly book, assuming Cliff can maintain his pace. We usually do 23 pages.

We don't have the budget yet to meet those rates on the interiors, but I will definitely want to buy a cover or two from you. And that's good to know for when we plan our summer Kickstarter. Given that we haven't gone to print yet and we don't know what our sales range will be yet, it's probably too soon for us to be working with top notch guys like you and Ethan.

But we'll get there soon, I think.

Thanks very much,

Vox


On 2/9/2018 7:16 PM, Bill Baumann wrote:

Sounds good. I’ll be here when you need me.

M-

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69 Comments:

Blogger Dave July 08, 2018 4:14 PM  

Moose isn't really very well equipped to play this game, is he?

Blogger Mark Stoval July 08, 2018 4:26 PM  

It goes without saying that I don't know squat. But I have a guess.

I would bet that someone found out that he talked to you, perhaps because Mr. Baumann has loose lips. Then word spread and he was threatened. He then caved in a most cowardly way.

And yet, you warned him that using pen names and keeping the relationship on the qt was just fine with you. Not much of a man in my book.

Blogger Cubby8126 July 08, 2018 4:26 PM  

Well. Less money for him. Even if the sjws pick him up, unlikely as that may be, their comic industry won't last. Mpai fits well here.

Blogger SmockMan July 08, 2018 4:29 PM  

EVS tried to hire Moose as well. EVS brought in a 2nd colorist to share the workload for Cyber Frog, and moose fired himself from the campaign, maybe not wanting to share. Moose only knows how to lose. So logically his next step was running to the SJWs.

Blogger Mad Italian July 08, 2018 4:32 PM  

He chose poorly.

Blogger Eduardo July 08, 2018 4:33 PM  

"Weird Frightening shit..."

I lol'ed. Like what Monsieur Baumann? he actually has a pile of skulls in his Solarium?

Blogger Megamerc July 08, 2018 4:35 PM  

Looks to me like he was offended that Vox didn't hire him immediately, and that probably opened the door for someone to convince of Vox's bad bad evilness. The thing about inflating his rates to purposefully miss out on the job is typical behaviour for someone with a bruised ego. He peobably thought Vox decided not to hire him for other than the stated reasons

Blogger HMS Defiant July 08, 2018 4:39 PM  

It's not stone, but close enough. Did the fool think his words would evaporate?

Blogger Megamerc July 08, 2018 4:41 PM  

Do pen names really work for an artist or colorist? Those with the right expertise might be able to identify him based on his style

Although I doubt that would happen

Blogger Reno Chris July 08, 2018 4:42 PM  

Have we mentions yet a quote about how SJWs always lie.....

Blogger Red Bane July 08, 2018 4:43 PM  

His twitter is now protected

Blogger qualitycontrol July 08, 2018 4:46 PM  

It there any date for the print version of 'Alt-Hero #2'?

Moose is a good colorist but the social justice warriors in the comic industry will probably murder him anyway. He is a white male. And white males are not diverse enough to color comics.

Blogger Red Bane July 08, 2018 4:48 PM  

@12

Is he white?

Blogger Alphaeus July 08, 2018 4:51 PM  

Even though I know that SJW's always lie, having read the book, it's still amazing to see the 180° turn around from palsy walsy to "weird frightening shit." We all ought to be able to sue for causing whiplash, er something.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 4:55 PM  

It there any date for the print version of 'Alt-Hero #2'?

This month.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 08, 2018 4:55 PM  

Mark Stoval wrote:It goes without saying that I don't know squat. But I have a guess.

I would bet that someone found out that he talked to you, perhaps because Mr. Baumann has loose lips. Then word spread and he was threatened. He then caved in a most cowardly way.

And yet, you warned him that using pen names and keeping the relationship on the qt was just fine with you. Not much of a man in my book.



Good call, I strongly suspect.

More of Mouse than a Moose.

Blogger R Webfoot July 08, 2018 4:59 PM  

@14
'Even though I know that SJW's always lie, having read the book, it's still amazing to see the 180° turn around from palsy walsy to "weird frightening shit." We all ought to be able to sue for causing whiplash, er something.'

I've come to associate the two - the more somebody is inclined to be fawningly obsequious with a complete stranger, the more deranged I expect them to be in any actual conflict.

Blogger Dave July 08, 2018 5:04 PM  

As I wrote in the other thread, the Cyberfrog backers convinced EVS to pay a $10k bonus to the colorist if the campaign reached $250k, this on top of the 2x page rate Ethan claimed he was already paying.

It appears Moose is not in the habit of making wise career choices.

Blogger Jonathan July 08, 2018 5:04 PM  

Do people not realize emails are forever?

Blogger qualitycontrol July 08, 2018 5:07 PM  

@13. Red Bane
He lives in Iowa. I doubt he's jewish. That being said, Jewishness won't protect you from SJWs ehiger.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 08, 2018 5:12 PM  

He must now have deleted that FB post. His FB only shows posts from 2013 and 2012.

Blogger Dave July 08, 2018 5:12 PM  

Vox, I'm reading this thread and J. Geils Band starts playing on the radio. How about an update on Angel/Centerfold?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 08, 2018 5:16 PM  

Wow, what a snake. I can't believe that guy.

Colorist, eh? So that's a part of the "comic book process."

I've got some novels I was considering putting into graphic novel form. Or even some comic series. Thus far, I'm only a writer.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 08, 2018 5:16 PM  

However he has a new post updated at Deviant Art. Holy moly what a weak kneed virtue signaller. As follows :

Good Riddance!
by MooseBaumann, 4 days ago
Journals / Personal
I have purged my gallery of all images that collaborated on with Ethan Van Sciver. His vile and bigoted rhetoric has no place in a decent society, and his work doesn't deserve this platform.

Thank you for your time.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2018 5:19 PM  

Bullwinkle never could pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Blogger SmockMan July 08, 2018 5:20 PM  

Franz Lyonheart wrote:Holy moly what a weak kneed virtue signaller.



So brave to wait till after he fired himself off EVS's smash-hit Cyber Frog book. Pretty transparent that Moose is just trying to cause trouble for EVS by connecting him to the "alt-right".

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 08, 2018 5:24 PM  

He's a giant pussy. Pathetic.

Blogger Dave July 08, 2018 5:38 PM  

Are the walls starting to close in on Moose yet?

EVS tweet 2hrs ago If I remember correctly, Moose wanted $150 and Vox wouldn’t pay it. Moose got back to me worried that he’d “priced himself out of a job.” I told him Vox probably hoped to charm him into a cheap rate.

Moose wasn’t happy.


Will anybody want to hire this guy when the whole story becomes known?

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums July 08, 2018 5:43 PM  

SmockMan wrote:Pretty transparent that Moose is just trying to cause trouble for EVS by connecting him to the "alt-right".

I second it.
I was wrong in my initial assessment of it being EVS having some fun. This being an elaborate ploy to backstab EVS makes much more sense now. Based on what EVS says he stuck out his neck for this Moose guy several times in the past. No favor left unpunished with SJW's.

Blogger Cubby8126 July 08, 2018 5:55 PM  

Just confirming a memory, the backers get their copies in print when all of the first 6 are made correct? Sorry for asking, I know you've gotten this question 1000times.

Blogger S1AL July 08, 2018 5:57 PM  

Looks like Ethan is learning a hard lesson about the circumstances when character is revealed.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 5:59 PM  

Just confirming a memory, the backers get their copies in print when all of the first 6 are made correct?

Those with the first paperback or hardcover, yes.

Blogger R Webfoot July 08, 2018 6:08 PM  

"I have purged my gallery of all images that collaborated on with Ethan Van Sciver. His vile and bigoted rhetoric has no place in a decent society, and his work doesn't deserve this platform."

Ah... EVS has now experienced a perfect object lesson for why Vox insists on not working with Gammas even as volunteers.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 08, 2018 6:14 PM  

How about an update on Angel/Centerfold?

Huh? Soo..., what about it? Pretty unrelated to this thread about comix.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len July 08, 2018 6:25 PM  

"His vile and bigoted rhetoric has no place in a decent society! I do declare I believe I'm getting the cybervapors! Will someone please carry me to my virtual fainting couch?"

Blogger Megamerc July 08, 2018 6:28 PM  

Dave July 08, 2018 5:38 PM

EVS tweet 2hrs ago If I remember correctly, Moose wanted $150 and Vox wouldn’t pay it. Moose got back to me worried that he’d “priced himself out of a job.” I told him Vox probably hoped to charm him into a cheap rate.

Not quite what I had guessed, but pretty close. It was obvious he was trying to spin the pricing thing

Blogger Anno Ruse July 08, 2018 6:28 PM  

"I have purged my gallery of all images that collaborated on with Ethan Van Sciver. His vile and bigoted rhetoric has no place in a decent society, and his work doesn't deserve this platform."

That's odd. 10 months ago he was defending Ethan Van Sciver.

"He can be a brash button-pusher. But he isn't a Nazi or a white supremacist. He can be a jackass. But then, so can we all."
https://archive.fo/41bSK

The full comments aren't that interesting but I enjoyed this quote:
"And since I was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease three years back, I haven't colored a thing. My hands shake too much to hold the stylus steady."
https://archive.fo/taEpq

Glad to see his Parkinson's has cleared up! On top of that, his wife had cancer (the $90,000 kind - https://archive.fo/O5Xze) several years ago. Talk about bad luck. Looks like things have improved if he's turning down paying work.

These comments were made on a Bleeding Cool article titled "No, Ethan Van Sciver Is Not A Nazi" which can no longer be archived (they're learning) but here's a version from a year ago.
https://archive.fo/m1mWU

Looks like Ol' Moosey lost his appetite for publicly opposing Nazis and hid his Twitter. But the internet doesn't always forget. This one's a gem:
"@EthanVanSciver @Marvel I seriously, genuinely don’t care. If he make a million bucks, good for him. Maybe it’ll keep his daughter off the pole. #NaziVanFuckface"
http://archive.is/XmyQy
https://archive.fo/Nw8O7

Mr. Baumann has a daughter. SJWs always project?

Blogger FP July 08, 2018 6:35 PM  

"And while I am, of course, the Leader of GamerGate,"

Indeed. I bet you also won Time's Person of the Year in 2006.

Weird, frightening stuff indeed. Perhaps some of these moderates will wake up in time to avoid being eaten by the sjw grue.

Blogger artensoll July 08, 2018 6:43 PM  

There's a moose, loose, aboot this hoose - Scottish Proverb.

Blogger LP999-16 July 08, 2018 6:52 PM  

What? Whoa. This is very unkind, unprofessional behavior in the art world. Sorry Vox got the run around, the emails reflect he was professional and interested in talented colorists.

Thank God Spacebunny and others caught this via tw-tar-Mark's blog better known as Facebrick.

Artists, this is not good behavior and makes the rest of us look terrible -

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 08, 2018 6:56 PM  

That's odd. 10 months ago he was defending Ethan Van Sciver.

Hm, that indicates that there's more behind the scenes than we know. I strongly suspect just some gamma bitch slapfest.

Mind you, our esteemed host isn't usually above the fray of internet drama himself. However I really like how Vox handles such situations, as he did again here in this case : just get the whole thing out into the open. Daylight kills the vampires. Let the audience make up their own mind. A very clear approach driven by a fanatical desire for accurate truth. That's why I stop by here daily. Thank you.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 08, 2018 6:57 PM  

I strongly suspect just some gamma bitch slapfest.

Between Moose and EVS (should have hopefully been clear from context anyway....., but just in case.)

Blogger Doug Cranmer July 08, 2018 7:02 PM  

"That's why I stop by here daily."

Yes, much to learn.

And I'm realizing I'm taking it for granted.

I'll have to see how I can kick in somehow.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums July 08, 2018 7:22 PM  

Anno Ruse wrote:The full comments aren't that interesting but I enjoyed this quote:

"And since I was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease three years back, I haven't colored a thing. My hands shake too much to hold the stylus steady."

https://archive.fo/taEpq

Glad to see his Parkinson's has cleared up! On top of that, his wife had cancer (the $90,000 kind - https://archive.fo/O5Xze) several years ago. Talk about bad luck. Looks like things have improved if he's turning down paying work.


This "I have X health issue and I'm starting a crowdfunding" is a meme at this point. There's a trend with them: they always seem to get sick whenever they might not be able to pay the rent/mortgage, and they never seem to get better. He says it right there even in his post that he might even become homeless. Classic e-begging technique.

The "I'm sick gibs money pls" technique is foolproof. People give these creators money out of the goodness of their hearts. Then they stop producing whatever it is they were producing or promised to produce because now they have the excuse of "I'm sick and I can't do the job". Complete scam.

For all I know this guy might be telling the truth but his track record says otherwise.

Blogger Steve July 08, 2018 7:23 PM  

Artensoll says: There's a moose, loose, aboot this hoose

An Ayrshireman once wrote something that applies quite nicely to the craven colourist:

Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle!

Blogger HalibetLector July 08, 2018 7:28 PM  

Wuzzums Fuzzums wrote:I was wrong in my initial assessment of it being EVS having some fun.

Were you?

EVS Tweets:

Haha.
Vox Day: “EVS! We spoke when you tore my book to shreds a few months back.”
Me: “Yeah, hey Vox.”
Vox: “I need a cheap colorist who never bitches or whines. Know one?”
Me: “heh. I’ve got JUST THE GUY.”


Vox: “But can he meet a deadline?”
Me: “...”
Vox: “That’s vital.”
Me: “uh...yeah. Moose meets deadlines.”


That’s all I ever did for 15 years. Tried to get Moose some work.

Now these SJWs can take over for me.

Blogger Pierre Truc July 08, 2018 7:29 PM  

"Weird Frightening shit..."

Did xee lose it when the Dark Lord walked xim through the Evil Base Of Evil (the one under the volcano)? Or was it the minion cloning tanks?

FFS, I didn't expect my Alt-Hero backing to come with such exquisite performance art! I really got my money's worth! LOL

Blogger SmockMan July 08, 2018 7:37 PM  

>Were you?

EVS has stated multiple times on streams he hired moose to be his colorist for Cyberfrog (which just ended) but Moose fired himself from it.

Blogger SmockMan July 08, 2018 7:40 PM  

EVS is currently asking all his viewers on his stream to repeat after him: "I am the leader comicsgate and you can be too". Now he's requesting videos be sent to him.

Blogger Alphaeus July 08, 2018 7:45 PM  

"FP has left a new comment on the post "SJW professionalism": "And while I am, of course, the Leader of GamerGate,""

VD is just kidding with you. I, of course, am the true Leader of GamerGate. And I also happen to be Spartacus, too.

Blogger Crew July 08, 2018 7:59 PM  

However, a couple of SJWs who were at a game company are no longer there ...

http://theothermccain.com/2018/07/07/sjw-self-destructs/

Blogger James Dixon July 08, 2018 8:08 PM  

> EVS tweet 2hrs ago If I remember correctly, > Moose wanted $150 and Vox wouldn’t pay it. Moose got back to me worried that he’d “priced himself out of a job.” I told him Vox probably hoped to charm him into a cheap rate. ... Moose wasn’t happy.

Remembering his comments about Dymanique's salary, Ethan does seem to have a issues when it comes to discussing money, doesn't he? Vox's quote from above: "We don't have the budget yet to meet those rates on the interiors, but I will definitely want to buy a cover or two from you."

How much more simple and honest can you get? Vox asked his rate, he gave it, and Vox said "we can't afford that yet".

I realize Ethan didn't have access to Vox's email, just Baumann's side of the story, but a rate quote exchange isn't complicated.

And yes, this sounds like the SJW's at Marvel, DC, et.al. sending out the call that working for either Vox or Ethan is now verboten and that public statements condemning the same are the minimum requirement to stay in their good graces.

Ethan is in the process of learning that if you refuse to choose a side, one will be chosen for you.

Blogger LP999-16 July 08, 2018 8:10 PM  

Urgent hearing right now, non sjws will never accept lies and twisted "truths," thank you Vox and those whom are never afraid to speak the truth, this matter required a peri

The SJW cannot abide by the truth ever, its their fatal weakness; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WXGS0Qwwt0

Blogger Geir Balderson July 08, 2018 8:13 PM  

So stupid! He did not think his villainy and lies would be uncovered? What a poltroon!

Blogger Silent Draco July 08, 2018 8:42 PM  

The more REEEEEEEEs, the better. It's ample warning to other galactic civilizations that Earth is guarded by a Supreme Dark Lord, with a pack of bored VFM avidly awaiting their next entertainment. Endoskeletons preferred.

Blogger Lovekraft July 08, 2018 8:49 PM  

Trust your instincts, especially in this day and age where so many are hidden marxists or just simply unreliable and untrustworthy.

Blogger pdwalker July 08, 2018 8:50 PM  

*sigh*

How frustrating it must be.

Blogger Lovekraft July 08, 2018 8:57 PM  

I have no problem with this SJW backing out - freedom of association and all that. But when his side, notably Mark Waid phoning the publisher of D & C's Jawbreakers, Antarctic Press, to strongarm it into backing out, that means the SJW brought escalation upon themselves.

BTW, not sure of the current status, but D & C is suing Waid for 'tortious interference.'

Blogger bob kek mando - ( a spew of word vomit ... ¡loosely connecting!, his ellipses ... by an eclectic assortment of randomly applied punctuation marks; within his parentheticals? ) ) July 08, 2018 9:53 PM  

did you know? EVS is a NAZI!

https://twitter.com/hyeroc/status/1015998534552899584
"EVS can say he's a moderate Republican all he wants. But he's hard right and he's playing #comicsgate for suckers."


Gabriel Gonzalez @GabeGeekzalez
I want to fucking die.
This is the "ComicsGate Alliance" poster; the racist, sexist, facists have their own universe. Gross.


i wonder what Ethan is going to do when he finds out that he's a racist, sexist, fascist homophobe who refuses to let pansexuals rape his children?

i'm sure Van Scriver has raped Andrea Dworkin. i mean, who wouldn't?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Dworkin_on_After_Dark.JPG

Blogger Jack Amok July 08, 2018 10:15 PM  

What a weird, sad, industry. And what poorly fitting nickname 'Moose' is for this guy.

Blogger FP July 08, 2018 10:40 PM  

Alphaeus wrote:"FP has left a new comment on the post "SJW professionalism": "And while I am, of course, the Leader of GamerGate,""

VD is just kidding with you. I, of course, am the true Leader of GamerGate. And I also happen to be Spartacus, too.



Yes indeed. By the way, look up who won the 2006 Time person of the year. It was me.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim July 08, 2018 11:01 PM  

Mouse Baumann done f'd up.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 09, 2018 12:16 AM  

A lot of people working in scifi/comics/games has a squadron of SJWs in orbit around them. I know one personally. It's rather creepy that SJWs flock to these people like the proverbial moths to a flame, but they do. And the dark recesses of my mind know the real reason that I won't articulate here beyond knowing that everything SJWs do is on purpose and for one purpose and we all know what that is.
The real casualty is their "subject" whose ear they go Grima Wormtongueing ear, for that person will churn out mediocre stuff regardless of whether or not he was intended to be great.
Even beyond creepy was when I crossed paths with these orbiters they all treated me in a uniform manner as if they got the same "orders".
So somebody "go to" that colorist. There should not be any surprise. Apparently the whole world of comics/scifi/gaming and the infestation reeks of some kind of reproductive strategy. I say no more.

Blogger SciVo July 09, 2018 4:09 AM  

FP wrote:Perhaps some of these moderates will wake up in time to avoid being eaten by the sjw grue.

Good luck to them! It is dark.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey July 09, 2018 6:31 AM  

That certainly is disappointing and unprofessional behavior, no matter what excuses may come. But on the bright side, this all fell out beforehand, so now Moose can safely be put down in the Big Fat Avoid category for the future.

Blogger GithYankee July 09, 2018 6:59 AM  

Moose in his mind "Nazi scum! Fight me! There's no room for hate!"

Moose in reality: "I look forward to being part of it all"

Blogger Brad Matthews July 09, 2018 11:01 AM  

It's always the same.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 09, 2018 3:52 PM  

So, is Mouse's ancestry German peasant farmer'Baumann,' or a different (((Baumann??)))
Anyone know?

Blogger Dirk Manly July 10, 2018 5:33 PM  

Hmm, what are his parents' names?

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