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Sunday, July 08, 2018

The inevitable conclusion

The discussion on dysgenics and failure migration, which naturally circled back to the conceptual distinction between posterity and the proposition nation, was usefully clarifying for several readers.

Garuna said: The true America really is dead. Just look at all the "nationalists" here pushing the proposition nation meme.

lynnjynh9315 added: I think this is Vox's point: American identity is dead. Even without non-whites, there will still be Anglo-America, Scots-America, German-America, Scand-America, Cajun-America, etc. This is the source of the problem. Even whites are not homogeneous. The United States is dead, it's just a matter of what new nations the fragments will form into. No one group is going to win it all.

Both observations are correct. That has been my consistent theme since 2004.

Tibetan religious tradition has it that when the Dalai Lama dies, the Buddha of Compassion leaves his body and incarnates in the body of a young child. The monks immediately go out in search of this blessed child, and when they find him – as they inevitably do – he is tested by a group of high lamas and enthroned as the reincarnation of his successor.

Imagine, however, if the lamas refused to recognize that the Dalai Lama was, in fact, dead. Suppose that instead of going in search of the Buddha’s new carnal home, they hooked the corpse up to a life support machine and waited patiently for the Holy One to awake and rise up. It’s not hard to see that they would be doomed to disappointment, and furthermore, would fail to find the next Dalai Lama as well.

This is precisely our dilemma today, for America, as envisioned by the Founding Fathers, is dead. By every measure, large and small, the original vision of limited government by, for and of the people has been folded, spindled and mutilated beyond recognition. When one reads the Constitution, one simply marvels at the distinct difference between its words and our present reality.

America is dead. Let us go, then, and find her.

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85 Comments:

Blogger Insight July 08, 2018 8:08 AM  

Unfortunately it's still "Weekend at Bernie's". See HC and the lefTARDS propping her up during the last presidential for an example.

Blogger #7139 July 08, 2018 8:23 AM  

America is dead. Let us go, then, and find her.

Yep. That kinda sums it up.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2018 8:29 AM  

If we build more aircraft carriers and F-35s America will come back, bet on it you commie pukes. Sarcasm intended folks.

Blogger Phillip George July 08, 2018 8:33 AM  

Viva la Christendom. God does resurrections. Is anything too hard for Him?

While muslims fight for land from the temple mount to the everywhere other than it maybe a push back of some description is unavoidable.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2018 8:43 AM  

If you fine folks want some proof of this thesis head over to Breitbart and roll down to the article about a failed D candidate from Colorado a lovely Hindu woman who has given up on white people.

The lovely woman of color in a somewhat confusing move retweeted something that could be thought of as pro-life, so maybe the white liberals smelled her out as a baby lover. It's all so confusing on the left thank god conservatives are there to play the stooge in our national political play.

Blogger NO GOOGLES July 08, 2018 8:47 AM  

One of the most difficult realizations for people on the alt-right is the realization that we are not fighting for America. We're fighting for what comes after.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 08, 2018 8:49 AM  

Absolutely this. Civic nationalism and creeping whatever have hollowed out the name and symbols completely. The intensity of the propositionists reflects their own fears around belonging, but those fears miss the point. Might as well stress over whether you're really, really a Longobard. 'What will America be?' starts to map out a positive vision for a reality-based future.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 08, 2018 8:53 AM  

@ 6. NO GOOGLES

"One of the most difficult realizations for people on the alt-right is the realization that we are not fighting for America. We're fighting for what comes after."

This is a hard one to make people see, and it's even harder to get them to actually accept, even when they do understand intellectually.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2018 9:04 AM  

America, as envisioned by the Founding Fathers, is dead

It was stillborn.

Blogger het1 July 08, 2018 9:08 AM  

But you must recognize it when you will find it:-)

For example after 1917 many people have said: "Russia is dead". And they could not recognize it in Stalin's Soviet Union.

Blogger phil July 08, 2018 9:11 AM  

How is this inevitable conclusion - that America is not currently a nation but an idea for what kind of nation should rise up from its ashes - distinguished from the contemptible logical conclusion of Hoyt et all you were mocking just a few posts ago - that America is not a nation but an idea?

And this must at some point have been addressed by Vox and I just missed it but can someone point me to how the "secure blessings... for posterity" statement of purpose is supposed to also imply restriction on who the constitution protects when the "well regulated militia" statement of purpose clearly does not?

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 08, 2018 9:25 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:If you fine folks want some proof of this thesis head over to Breitbart and roll down to the article about a failed D candidate from Colorado a lovely Hindu woman who has given up on white people.

The lovely woman of color in a somewhat confusing move retweeted something that could be thought of as pro-life, so maybe the white liberals smelled her out as a baby lover. It's all so confusing on the left thank god conservatives are there to play the stooge in our national political play.


Mark my words, high caste Indians will replace Jews as the leaders of the Antiwhite coalition. They have the right combination of IQ, ego, entitlement and butthurt. They will play the "fellow People of Colour" card while living in white suburbs whenever they can and keeping their daughters away from black men.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 9:29 AM  

You're repeatedly lying and you're now banned. SaintCrispee. Don't try to comment here again.

Blogger pyrrhus July 08, 2018 9:29 AM  

"LET us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky"

Blogger pyrrhus July 08, 2018 9:33 AM  

"Mark my words, high caste Indians will replace Jews as the leaders of the Antiwhite coalition."

Indeed, that process is well underway..and they are definitely in it for the money to be skimmed from white people.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 9:33 AM  

How is this inevitable conclusion - that America is not currently a nation but an idea for what kind of nation should rise up from its ashes - distinguished from the contemptible logical conclusion of Hoyt et all you were mocking just a few posts ago - that America is not a nation but an idea?

Because a case for a new polity, call it whatever you wish, is entirely different than arguing that a) the historical nation does not exist, b) a nonexistent proposition does exist, and c) the term that originally referred to (a) only refers to (b).

How do you find this at all difficult to understand? Moreover, the New American idea that I am proposing HAS to be very different than the specific proposition nation concept that Hoyt and all the other immigrants have been pushing since Israel Zangwill wrote "The Melting Pot". Otherwise, it is an obvious non-starter.

TL;DR: She is revising history. I am planning for the future.

Blogger Insight July 08, 2018 9:35 AM  

Sort of OT -

Door #1,2,or 3 Vox?

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/07/05/should-we-invade-mexico-n2497140

Blogger pyrrhus July 08, 2018 9:38 AM  

America, as envisioned by the Founding Fathers, is dead

It was stillborn.

No, America was murdered in the cradle by Alexander Hamilton, John Marshall, and the Federalists...and their banking (((allies)))

Blogger Cecil Henry July 08, 2018 9:45 AM  

White Genocide in Canada: Its real and its a crime. These stats are shocking

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/177654956


People are very angry.

Census Canada and the Canadian government are hiding the data.


Already A Stranger In Your Own Country:
https://i.imgur.com/x5EtGPJ.jpg

Blogger Matthew July 08, 2018 9:46 AM  

The New America needs to be a dystopia for usurers.

Blogger Mo Cato July 08, 2018 9:47 AM  

And only where there are graves are there resurrections. — Thus sang Zarathustra.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 9:50 AM  

Door #1,2,or 3 Vox?

False choices. I vote #4: Build the wall, deport the Mexican nationals, and engage in reprisals when necessary. Forward Defense (#3) is merely prelude to Full Invasion (#2). It's like Kennedy asking if we should invade Vietnam or just send some military advisers.

Blogger Drew July 08, 2018 10:07 AM  

Perhaps American Whites can assimilate enough to form a new ethnic identity group. This happened to some extent with the white flight, where Irish, German, Czech, Polish, etc. Americans left the cities and moved to the suburbs and intermarried with each other. This is a reason why Mafia folk no longer have to prove 100% Italian ancestry to be made. There is too much assimilation going on for that to be viable.

I would never pretend that this new white American group would be the same as the original Anglo-Saxon Americans. That nation is dead, and not coming back. But at least we could rebuild the American Republic in the same sense that the original Americans "rebuilt" the Roman republic.

Blogger Drew July 08, 2018 10:10 AM  

On a positive note, many of my Christian Right friends are waking up to the idea of demographic warfare. They understand that if we lose the battle over demographics, we lose the war *even if we win every other battle*

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 10:15 AM  

I would never pretend that this new white American group would be the same as the original Anglo-Saxon Americans. That nation is dead, and not coming back. But at least we could rebuild the American Republic in the same sense that the original Americans "rebuilt" the Roman republic.

The question is, do you learn from their failure or do you repeat it. Conservatives and civic nationalists can't do it, because they can't accept that everyone can't just mouth the magic formula and be transformed by the power of the magic dirt.

If the core nation is not sufficiently homogeneous in terms of race, religion, language, and ideals, it will break apart. The only reason the USA did not do so is because it had the benefit of a big continent over which the diverse groups could spread.

Blogger rycamor July 08, 2018 10:16 AM  

When did America stop being the nation envisioned by its founders? I see death by a thousand cuts from day one.

- Changing "Life, liberty, and property" to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." (yes I know Jefferson meant it as overarching virtue, but it opened the door to the "personal fulfillment" angle which I would argue led to the "seeking a better life" shibboleth)
- The Whiskey Rebellion
- The Civil War and thus enshrinement of the FedGov
- Taxation and the Federal Reserve (an inevitable result of the prior?)
- The New Deal
- One by one, getting into international wars which didn't concern us
- 1965 Immigration act
- Reagan's amnesty
- The Bushes and their Middle East games
etc...

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 10:24 AM  

I just told you that you were banned and you are not permitted to comment here anymore, SaintCrispee.

The correct non-gamma response to that is not to post another comment trying to attack me, it is to go away and not come back.

Now stop trying to comment here. All of your comments will be immediately deleted by the moderators.

Blogger Duh-ave July 08, 2018 10:26 AM  

America is dead. LONG LIVE AMERICA!

Make Mecicans Mexican Again

Blogger Drew July 08, 2018 10:48 AM  

VD wrote:
The question is, do you learn from their failure or do you repeat it. Conservatives and civic nationalists can't do it, because they can't accept that everyone can't just mouth the magic formula and be transformed by the power of the magic dirt.


We would definitely have to do away with birthright citizenship for starters.

Blogger Crush Limbraw July 08, 2018 10:50 AM  

The future is not about America - it's about Christendom - the shape of which is yet to be determined.
God is in the restoration business and the likelihood of it coming from the institutional Churchianity is slim - since its role in losing the civilizational culture is palpable.
We are living in a time of not only political transformation with the G-E, I sense a beginning of Chritian re-awakening - as in Matthew 28:18-20 "Go and make disciples of all nations...."
Read the whole thing - that ain't just religious talk - it's about all of life.

Blogger rycamor July 08, 2018 10:56 AM  

"America is dead. Let us go, then, and find her." I heartily agree with the assessment and the exhortation. Where to start is what concerns me.

I simply don't see a USA from sea to shining sea emerging from this. I would love to be proven wrong. Pushing towards a strong national character--which is needed to build the Wall is at odds with the increasing right-winger's desire to de-legitimize the Fed and bring power back to the states. I still think there's a good chance the wall will be built, but there will have to be several other walls built around the continent in the end. We already need walls to keep the sneaking liberals from abandoning California to infect their idiocy in the southern states.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 08, 2018 10:58 AM  

Two thoughts from yesterday:
1. Omni-nationalism
2. Shut up & e-mail

America is to Americans what the Soviet Union was to Ukrainian nationalists, and what Hitler was to true Germans. We must constantly distinguish between Nationalism and Pan-nationalism. They're not only different... they're mortal enemies.

Vox's attack German-Americans was was just too strange for an avowed "omni-nationalist." Either he had to be an ulterior point or he was baiting me to reee. Either way, good play. Shut up and e-mail... all of us.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 11:00 AM  

I simply don't see a USA from sea to shining sea emerging from this.

Neither do I. Any attempt to hold on to too much territory will necessarily compromise the very principles required for the survival of both the New Posterity and liberty. It would also contradict the history of the end of empires for the entire written history of Man, so any intelligent analyst would have to conclude it is an unattainable objective.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2018 11:39 AM  

VD wrote:so any intelligent analyst would have to conclude it is an unattainable objective.

Worth giving *it a shot* though, isn't it?

Blogger Thumos July 08, 2018 12:05 PM  

I dream of a rust belt/Great Lakes nation from Minnesota extending to upstate New York and northern New England. To have another shot at building great white cities. Guns and cathedrals. Lax distilling laws. Well paved roads!

Blogger Hammerli280 July 08, 2018 12:16 PM  

"America is dead. Let us go, then, and find her."

Yes, but don't expect too much. The American nation has never had a great deal of cohesion. The Wave 1 immigrants of the mid-1600s may have been English, but they were Puritans and Catholics, Cavalier and Roundhead...not terribly cohesive. The Scots-Irish of Wave 2 didn't like anybody...including each other. Wave 3 was a mix of Germans, Scots-Scots, and more English...many of whom turned Tory in the Revolution and wound up being refugeed out to New Brunswick.

Anyone expecting a Japanese level of national cohesion will be very disappointed. The best the U.S. ever did was in the 1950s. We can aspire to that, but no more.

But that should be adequate. Good Heaven, look at England's history...hot and cold running civil wars since the 1100s, but they have decent national cohesion.

Blogger justaguy July 08, 2018 12:17 PM  

The real question that is being asked is who is a member of what tribe?

As the majority of White Americans have not thought in those terms for many many generations and the identity politics of the dems are now out in the open-- how does a mixed and disjointed tribe form up again?

Some want a bunch of different white tribes as culture and heritage of different european ethnic groups still generally prevails after many generations in America.

The typical English origin American mutt (of which I am one-- Texans, english forebears etc) haven't had any community or organizations that support trialism. The support structure was civic nationalism, now corrupted by the statist ideology to point of being worthless.

I don't see any cohesive forces left to pull groups together into anything other than white civic nationalists. Maybe others will start-- but barring lots of fighting and breaking up of the existing structure (asa VD sees coming but I am not that farsighted yet)-- we are going Trumps direction (group politics) or into the statist gulag. I do not see anyone refusing German heritage lutherans or blue collar irish heritage catholics from an organization or power-- rather they will big tent them to gain political power or even firepower.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 12:21 PM  

SaintCrispee, this is the third time you've had to be told that your commenting privileges have been revoked and you are not permitted to comment here. Before you do it again, I suggest you review the laws in your jurisdiction regarding cyberstalking.

Continued cyberstalking of this sort will not be permitted. You have been warned.

Now, please stop trying to comment here. Your comments will be deleted immediately by the moderators.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 12:24 PM  

As the majority of White Americans have not thought in those terms for many many generations and the identity politics of the dems are now out in the open-- how does a mixed and disjointed tribe form up again?

That is precisely the primary challenge that requires addressing. You will note that conservatives and all those who smugly reject identity politics are necessarily part of the problem in that regard, not part of the solution.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 08, 2018 12:27 PM  

No, we shouldn't "invade Mexico," if by that they mean, troops marching & tanks rolling.
However, if they mean," nuke it til it's glass," then yes. We should definitely nuke the ever-loving Hello Kitty out of Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, etc.
I've been all down in those regions on business, many times, The DR and edges of Haiti.
What a complete hellhole those places are, filled with some of the most filthy, brutal, & illiterate savages.
Ugh.

Blogger Starboard July 08, 2018 12:31 PM  

Hopefully the coming decades will look more like Czechoslovakia and Slovenia rather than Bosnia Herzegovina.

Maybe we can get a wall as the final gasp of providing for the comon defense.

Blogger HalibetLector July 08, 2018 12:38 PM  

Thumos wrote:I dream of a rust belt/Great Lakes nation from Minnesota extending to upstate New York and northern New England. To have another shot at building great white cities. Guns and cathedrals. Lax distilling laws. Well paved roads!

I think you'd be lucky if you could get even upstate New York and northern New England to work together. I'm from NNY and my recent conversations with people from Maine did not leave me with much hope that we'll ever get along. Visiting New Hampshire was a positive experience. Minnesota is out of the question: Germanics and Scandinavians have never gotten along.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 08, 2018 12:40 PM  

Thank you for saying this, Vox.
I've been trying to get this through the heads of people I come in contact with, for many years, and despite being right wing Southerners for the most part, they CANNOT seem to get past the CivNat Tabula Rasa hokem.
I blame a lot of it on the perversion of the churches. The Zionism and cuckery are STRONG in the Southern Baptists & Methodist organizations & the cancer is so widespread, I'm not sure there's a chemo strong enough to kill it.
The only real chance I can see is if some strong men come together and start lining these evil monsters up against a wall.
IDK, maybe there are other, less drastic & less brutal solutions that I'm just not smart enough to see, but I'm skeptical.
I think this has to be removed at the root, taking care to see that every bit, top to bottom, has been excised.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 08, 2018 12:47 PM  

NO. Did you skip the history of The War of Northern Aggression?
I don't want a DAMN thing to do with any Yankee bastards.
Gather up your pet negroes and your toilet scrubbers, you carpetbaggers, and hie your butts back to Yankeedom.
Me & mine would be much happier without your ruination of our lands and politics.

Blogger Jack Amok July 08, 2018 12:51 PM  

If the core nation is not sufficiently homogeneous in terms of race, religion, language, and ideals, it will break apart.

The various ethnicities that make up White America are different but - especially with the amount of intermarriage - mostly compatible. With one major (((exception))).

The big issue is High-Trust vs Low-Trust. The Northern European tribes are mostly compatible on this front. The Germans and Swedes like government a little too much, but they expect it follow the rules. The Micks are a little too corruption prone, but they understand the corruption can't make the organization incompetent. Italians have their issues, but they're loyal to your nation if you accept them into it. And they all come from patriarchal backgrounds.

A nation can be made out of that. But the incompatible parts need to go home.



Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 08, 2018 1:01 PM  

My English, Irish & Prussian ancestors all came in the mid 1600s-early 1700s,& settled in VA & NC. After the Uncivil War, they made their way to Alabama to farm.
We have no real connection to the Scots-Irish & Germans that came later & settled elsewhere in the country.
It would take some real doing to find common ground with those Scandis & Germans in the mid-West & even the Scots-Irish, English & Germans who settled in the NE, while technically closer to us in a genetic sense, there is a huge gulf that remains between our people.
I'm dubious about how forming those coalitions would work.
Maybe it's that people are so rootless these days, with so much disconnect from their history, along with the mixing of people from different areas of the country for the last 50- 100 yrs, that things would go much smoother than I can envision.
IJDK.

Blogger AnvilTiger July 08, 2018 1:07 PM  

Currently states that have lots of illegals gain more representatives in the House, and gain more electors in the electoral college. This is because allocation is based on the census done every 10 years, and the census counts everybody including illegals. The state of Alabama currently has a lawsuit underway against the US Census Bureau regarding this. They are asserting that the understanding of the 14th amendment, when passed, did not include illegals. This case will undoubtedly end up in the US Supreme Court.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas July 08, 2018 1:21 PM  

"As the majority of White Americans have not thought in those terms for many many generations and the identity politics of the dems are now out in the open-- how does a mixed and disjointed tribe form up again?"

There's a group of whites in the US with their own culture, dialect, music, food, and even flag, with a strong dislike of white liberals.

But in the words of Rebel in Alt-Hero #2, "it's halftime and we're behind".

Blogger justaguy July 08, 2018 1:30 PM  

#48 : The power in the Southern US doe not appear to be unified, is being diluted, and is not behind anything other than magic dirt and civic nationalism. See previous posts on issues with SBC et. el. The South is more likely to be rounded up than rise again.

Blogger Starboard July 08, 2018 1:34 PM  

46. "Maybe it's that people are so rootless these days, with so much disconnect from their history, along with the mixing of people from different areas of the country for the last 50- 100 yrs, that things would go much smoother than I can envision.
IJDK."

The rootlessness made CivNat sound logical, and will confuse attempts to form a cohesive regional fragment. The intermixing of regional peoples will make the breakup messy. See Yugoslavia.

44. "I don't want a DAMN thing to do with any Yankee bastards."

That's fine. But don't blame Yanks for your failure to pick your own cotton.

Blogger Mark Stoval July 08, 2018 2:19 PM  

@50 Starboard

"44. "I don't want a DAMN thing to do with any Yankee bastards."

That's fine. But don't blame Yanks for your failure to pick your own cotton."


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That is a fun line, ani't in? But only small group of very rich plantation owners owned slaves. Slaves that came through the north where Yankees live. The Brits were involved as well as African tribesmen selling people. There ware a lot of people involved in getting all those nigs here.

But the exchange showed one thing. A lot of the USA whites are NOT happy with other whites right now. But I wager that when the civil war comes and the color of your skin is your uniform that we will see white unity. Catholic and Protestant will be side by side shooting at the blacks and browns as those colors shoot back.

We will have to let some past things go, at least until the non-whites are dealt with. If we don't, the other side could win. And, this might be a war to the end. Total eradication of the losing side.

Over the top? Perhaps. But I am thinking that once the passions are given free reign we may see a blood bath of epic proportions.

Blogger Starboard July 08, 2018 2:24 PM  

51. It is a fun line. A bit of rhetoric for rhetoric. I have no problem with the South, and tend to agree with their views of the war of northern aggression. Hopefully we'll be good neighbors in the coming decades.

Blogger Tom Jones July 08, 2018 2:29 PM  

@Zeroh Tollrants: Looks like you may be interested in this site. www.identitydixie.com

Blogger Tom Jones July 08, 2018 2:32 PM  

Why should we pick our own cotton? Should we pull our own plows too?

If I have a corral of workhorses and then some yanks turn them loose to trample my fields should I blame the horses or the yanks?

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 08, 2018 2:37 PM  

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.davidrreynolds.org/_articles/TheYankeeProbleminAmerica.pdf

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 08, 2018 2:46 PM  

Great discussions. America is dead. I've grown up a civ-nationalist, serving in the military. I have to consciously keep repeating the truth to myself that there is no magic dirt. Civilization is built on shared culture, shared heritage (race/nationality), and shared goals for the future. There can be no community without that. For me the overriding tenet, the singular cornerstone, must be Christianity. There is no such thing as multi-culturalism. There is no Melting Pot. Diversity is a weakness, not a strength. Anything else that should be added to this list?

Blogger Mark Stoval July 08, 2018 2:50 PM  

@56

"Anything else that should be added to this list?"

Only that every other country in the whole world knows this but the USA. How the hell did that happen?

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 08, 2018 2:54 PM  

Only that every other country in the whole world knows this but the USA. How the hell did that happen?

Indoctrination in the (((public))) schools.

Blogger Tom Jones July 08, 2018 3:01 PM  

As with any other war of importance, this one will be a white vs white war. The winning side will get to decide how the savages are dealt with.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas July 08, 2018 3:14 PM  

@48:

Ah, "appears". Is that like "seems"?

The power in the South was diluted when we were stuck with massive black populations which were given citizenship and voting rights after the Civil War.

South Carolina, for instance, didn't even have a white majority until the 1930s and is still only about 60% white.

Yet it's still red. And voted so pro-Trump in the recent primaries that the Deep State tried to kill Katie Arrington.

Civic nationalist compared to what? White Southerners are further right and more identity-oriented than Midwesterners. They also own guns at a higher rate. And that's what we're talking about, whites.

What percentage of whites have to vote Trump for him to get 63% of the total votes in a state that's under 70% white (Alabama) Now what about around 57% in a state that's 80%+ white (Kansas, Missouri)?

Kansas and Missouri only managed 2% more than South Carolina with over 20% more whites. This is not even close.

Blogger VD July 08, 2018 3:28 PM  

Why should we pick our own cotton?

Because if you won't, you'll lose your country. Every single time.

Blogger Starboard July 08, 2018 3:31 PM  

51. "...But only small group of very rich plantation owners owned slaves. Slaves that came through the north where Yankees live. The Brits were involved as well as African tribesmen selling people. There ware a lot of people involved in getting all those nigs here."

"Picking your own cotton" is a lesson also lost on the farmers of the north who have happily engaged migrant workers to pick vegetables and detassle hybrid seed corn. My mother had it backward when she said the farmers had to hire migrants because the high-schoolers wouldn't work it any more. They hired migrants and started a feedback loop that forced the kids out. It takes a lot of people to funnel migrants north. Both north and south failed to predict the consequences of the slave trade, and we are repeating the same pattern again with a diiferent legal flavor, a different demographic, in a different region. And still Civic Nationalism is the dominate opinion on the right.

Blogger Red Bane July 08, 2018 3:33 PM  

Sounds like a pure Anglo-America was always a Utopian pipe-dream that never stood a chance against the vagaries of history. Modern developments in other homogeneous nations that retained a strong identity long after America lost her own proves the futility of the grand experiment

Blogger Lucas Evans July 08, 2018 4:02 PM  

Meh, this concern is overblown. Assimilation is possible within a limited genetic distance. My boomer boss is the son of Italian immigrants. His parents didn't teach him Italian because they wanted him to fully assimilate. My uncle Bob (uncle by marriage) was the son of Russian immigrants. I found out at his funeral, his name wasn't Bob, it was Boris. He insisted everyone call him Bob because it was more American.

America was always far too vast to be "one nation." Which is why it was created as a federation of Sovereign States, United States, if you will. Up until the Civil War, Americans identified primarily with their state. After Lincoln's war the Federal government destroyed the idea of State Sovereignty.

America "balkanizing" in smaller states with shared heritage and culture would actually bring us closer to the founder's intent. I don't think returning to Sovereign States is a hopeless impossibility.

Blogger phil July 08, 2018 4:37 PM  

Re:#16

Of course your idea of America to Come or America That Should Be or whatever is different from theirs. But if you are in agreement that your loyalty belongs to your personal idea of how America should be, populated by the citizens that you define as good enough to count, you will end up losing people who put their faith in mediating institutions rather than in human nature and individuals.

Blogger phil July 08, 2018 5:11 PM  

HalibetLector wrote:I think you'd be lucky if you could get even upstate New York and northern New England to work together. I'm from NNY and my recent conversations with people from Maine did not leave me with much hope that we'll ever get along. Visiting New Hampshire was a positive experience. Minnesota is out of the question: Germanics and Scandinavians have never gotten along.

And yet they got along well enough for all those years to make quite an impact on world history...

As Hammerli said @36 don't expect too much cohesion. And Lucas Evans conclusion just above: federalism reborn, not partition.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis July 08, 2018 6:49 PM  

The wide band of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, etc. could be an ugly battleground in the event of a breakup. Blue urban enclaves surrounded by red rurals. The remnants of the New England/Yankee Western Reserve and their Dindu underlings fighting against the Appalachian folk. Like Ol' Remus warns: "Avoid crowds."

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 7:00 PM  

@4

"While muslims fight for land from the temple mount to the everywhere other than it maybe a push back of some description is unavoidable."

Razing the satanic abomination built on top of it would be a good start.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 7:32 PM  

@22

"False choices. I vote #4: Build the wall, deport the Mexican nationals, and engage in reprisals when necessary. Forward Defense (#3) is merely prelude to Full Invasion (#2). It's like Kennedy asking if we should invade Vietnam or just send some military advisers."

One of the things Kennedy got right.

Eisenhower sent the advisors.
Kennedy was set to bring them back.
Mr. My wife has a million shares in Kellog, Brown & Root(*) stock has Kennedy killed, becomes president, and invades Vietnam.


(*) Kellogg, Brown & Root has been the military's sole general contractor for all overseas operations since the 1890's. They make money hand over fist during any war.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 7:52 PM  

@40

"No, we shouldn't "invade Mexico," if by that they mean, troops marching & tanks rolling.
However, if they mean," nuke it til it's glass," then yes. We should definitely nuke the ever-loving Hello Kitty out of Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, etc.
I've been all down in those regions on business, many times, The DR and edges of Haiti.
What a complete hellhole those places are, filled with some of the most filthy, brutal, & illiterate savages.
Ugh."

Neutron bombs for the win.

We don't want all those lovely vacationlands spoiled by 30,000 years of radioactivity.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 7:54 PM  

@41

"Hopefully the coming decades will look more like Czechoslovakia and Slovenia rather than Bosnia Herzegovina."

Don't count on it.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 08, 2018 8:00 PM  

@45

"The Germans and Swedes like government a little too much, but they expect it follow the rules."

But when Government doesn't follow the rules, the Germans and the Swedes are the ones most vehement about NOT changing the government.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 08, 2018 8:43 PM  

Lucas Evans wrote:Meh, this concern is overblown. Assimilation is possible within a limited genetic distance. My boomer boss is the son of Italian immigrants. His parents didn't teach him Italian because they wanted him to fully assimilate. My uncle Bob (uncle by marriage) was the son of Russian immigrants. I found out at his funeral, his name wasn't Bob, it was Boris. He insisted everyone call him Bob because it was more American.

It's not about "Bob" it's about "Bob's" children and grandchildren. Bob was never, and could never be, an American. To the extent that many attitudes, behaviors, and personality traits are genetic, which is quite a large extent, his children will never be American either. With 23 & me, you can't even put an end to it by refusing to talk about your descent.

The Irish side of my family has been here since 1798. That's 6 generations. Every one of those generations has served in the US Army. My Grandfather was judge, his uncle a Congressman. Still, I can see the differences between them and the Anglo side of the family. I would not count myself fully assimilated.

My children are probably assimilated, because they are only about 25% Irish. Even so, I see the some of the same problematic attitudes and behaviors that plague the Irish, though less intense.

Assimilation takes several generations of interbreeding.

Blogger S1AL July 08, 2018 8:45 PM  

"Because if you won't, you'll lose your country. Every single time."

And that's the key to everything, right there. People may very reasonable disagree on all the other elements of the debate, but that principle is ironclad. The gladiators always rebel.

Blogger John July 08, 2018 8:47 PM  

@75 But when Government doesn't follow the rules, the Germans and the Swedes are the ones most vehement about NOT changing the government.

Can confirm…

Blogger HoosierHillbilly July 08, 2018 9:23 PM  

@35 No sir. My claim to the New Midwest, also known as Greater Indiana...though that is an oxymoron, only extends to the Ohio. We go no further and rest between the cradling arms of her and the Missouri.

Blogger AaMcavoy July 08, 2018 10:41 PM  

Don't look to the Mormons (ie, Idaho, Utah, Arizona). I swear in the last ten years, they went from "Muh Constitution!" to "We're all immigrants."
I'm sure no one here is surprised.

I think the long march of the Left has made it impossible to have any remnant of heritage America visible. I suspect with a real leader, it could appear in a hurry, as quickly as Americans have rallied around Trump.

Blogger tz July 09, 2018 1:36 AM  

America is already 11 nations.
Several detest and reject the Constitution at all levels, but the Far West - with the Mormons, descended from those in 1776 - and others would like to restore it as much as is practiciable today.

The left coast really wants to be Venezuela. Let them, and when they are unpeopled, then do the reconquista.

I'm not qutie sure if the Tidewater is NeverTrump or not.

The Southern nations will need to isolate the non anglo=celts, perhaps Liberia can be bribed.

Blogger tz July 09, 2018 1:38 AM  

@77 - the top cucked is not representative of the rank and file, especially if things blow up.
That said, Romney is the nominee...

Blogger Insight July 09, 2018 4:17 AM  

"Don't look to the Mormons (ie, Idaho, Utah, Arizona). I swear in the last ten years, they went from "Muh Constitution!" to "We're all immigrants."

Alot of Mormons are Scandinavian so their position is not surprising.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 09, 2018 9:23 AM  

@justaguy

The real question that is being asked is who is a member of what tribe?

Before people can even ask that question, they must be capable of realizing that a tribe must have an organic basis, not a purely ideological one.

This is the purpose of the "racism" canard and similar tropes, of course -- to steer (white) people away from even asking the question "Who are my people?"

Crimestop.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 09, 2018 10:31 AM  

@Chris Ritchie

I'll just leave this here.

There's a core of truth to this argument. The Brits abolished slavery in the early 1800s... by compensating the slave holders for their lost property. Try to imagine the radical Republicans supporting such a pragmatic solution.

But this?

The firemen who died in the World Trade Center on September 11 were Americans. The politicians and TV personalities who stood around telling us what we are to think about it are Yankees.

Uh, those (((TV personalities))) were mostly not "Yankees" -- and those that were, worked for non-Yankees. Politicians? Their agenda was driven by Bill Kristol/ Robert Kagan's PNAC, and by Bibi's "A Clean Break"...

The moldbuggalos aren't entirely wrong in their conception of current year "Yankee" ideology as a (godless) corruption of Puritanism, though. Just because a parasite exploits the host's weaknesses, doesn't mean those weaknesses don't exist.

Blogger AaMcavoy July 09, 2018 10:46 AM  

tz wrote:@77 - the top cucked is not representative of the rank and file, especially if things blow up.

That said, Romney is the nominee...


I hope you're right.

Yesterday, my ward's sacrament meeting was not about anything patriotic (we didn't even sing the anthem!). It was, I kid you not, "Unity through diversity."
Then again, most of my ward are transplants from the west coast. Californication strikes again.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 09, 2018 12:21 PM  

America "balkanizing" in smaller states with shared heritage and culture would actually bring us closer to the founder's intent. I don't think returning to Sovereign States is a hopeless impossibility.

Hence the focus on "diversifying" at the finest-grained level possible -- to prevent this. Remember Barry's "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing?"

That's the point of "refugee resettlement" as well, of course. Just a few days ago, some dindu from LA decided to start a one-man counterjihad, and attacked some "refugee" kid's birthday party at a housing complex filled with hajis and Ethiopians... in Boise, Idaho.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/stabbing-spree-idaho-apartment-complex-results-injuries-life/story?id=56292105

It was "random," goy. The presence of nogs and sandpeople in Idaho was clearly not a contributing factor.

A few weeks prior, a white man was beaten to death by a gang of Somalis... in Lewiston, Maine.

https://rightoftheright.com/somalian-gang-beats-white-mean-to-death-in-maine-media-silent/

Just a more serious consequence of what is now a very common phenomenon.

https://mainefirstmedia.com/2018/05/gang-of-somali-kids-attack-park-goers-in-lewiston/

Less openly violent diversity (like pajeets) has the same effect, of course. The Quebec separatist movement in Canada was defanged partly through appeasement... and partly by importing diversitoids who don't care about Anglo vs. French, only about federal gibs.

This is why open borders, "refugees," and "diversity" are so important to them -- and are so critical to stop for us. "Diversity" is balkanization at a level of detail that makes a semi-peaceful solution impossible.

[Of course, much of the problem with the Balkans historically has been, not merely the existence of multiple small countries in the same region, but that those countries' borders seldom match those of the underlying nations, and that those nations are often intermingled on the same territory... "diversity."]

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas July 09, 2018 4:31 PM  

Chris Ritchie:

Thanks for that article and for introducing me to Clyde Wilson. It's good to see a long-time history professor mocking fake conservatives.

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