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Thursday, July 05, 2018

When civility is not the answer

Matthew Cochran explains that civility can be a category error for conservatives:
Because civility is not a moral absolute and its form is always adjusting along with culture, it’s requirements are determined primarily by social contract — the kind of behavior we all implicitly or explicitly agree to when interacting with one another. Historically, some of these contracts have been great blessings while others have been reprehensible, but all are, by nature, contracts.

The detail that conservatives tend to forget is that when one party violates a contract, the other party is no longer bound by all of its terms. If you sign a contract to buy a car, and the dealer refuses to turn it over you, you aren’t “sinking to their level” by refusing to hand over your money. If you contract an employee who never shows up for work, you aren’t “repaying evil for evil” by withholding his wages. The same is true when dealing with people who are deliberately uncivil to civil people — it fundamentally changes what the rest of society owes them.

To be sure, this doesn’t mean that we must recklessly abandon civility whenever we get angry at the latest atrocious behavior from liberals. Civility is extremely valuable and is never something that should be tossed aside lightly. You need only look at the social justice left to see the consequences of doing so. Their enemies are not limited to conservatives. They rail just as hard against common sense when they melt down over beliefs that were shared by virtually everyone who ever lived until last week. They even cannibalize the very leftists who carried them to term whenever they’re triggered. Accordingly, conservatives are quite right to try and conserve valuable social structures like courtesy — they prevent all manner of chaos and suffering.

That said, civility does not actually exist between two parties when even one of them is deliberately uncivil. The unfortunate reality is that we increasingly find ourselves in circumstances in which there is nothing left to conserve. We need to stop taking the lazy road of “be civil though the heavens fall” and begin being deliberate about when to be civil — and when not to be.
First things first. There are no style points being awarded when it comes to saving Western civilization. There is only success and failure.

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Blogger Reasonably Honest July 05, 2018 8:00 PM  

I understand and agree with the argument, but I have to question anyone whose first reaction to an existential struggle is to feel bound by a rule about procedure rather than result.

Blogger Michael Maier July 05, 2018 9:00 PM  

So next time one of them flips out about Chick-Fil-A, ask yourself something: If they can’t even stand the thought of Christians selling chicken sandwiches; exactly what place do you think they will allow us to occupy in society when they’re in charge?

They can have my CFA sandwich when they pull it out of my cold, dead hands.

Blogger Michael Maier July 05, 2018 9:00 PM  

First things first. There are no style points being awarded when it comes to saving Western civilization. There is only success and failure.

No second place medal either....

Blogger Didas Kalos July 05, 2018 9:00 PM  

https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim July 05, 2018 9:05 PM  

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Blogger Unknown July 05, 2018 9:11 PM  

Like I keep saying on Kotaku In Action:

A tactic used is a useable tactic.

Some get that over there, but the rest pull the usual "descend to their level" ploy.

Blogger Lovekraft July 05, 2018 9:19 PM  

A few months ago, I saw a speech by an Italian intellectual that used the term 'reciprocity' as in there must be both sides acting in good faith and without malice.

That is the starting point, not the emotional virtue signaling pseudo-religion.

Blogger Starboard July 05, 2018 9:36 PM  

Muna Mire
Muna Mire
@Muna_Mire
Civility is also white anglo culture. I have never met a polite African or a Jew that insisted on manners over urgency so. Stop forcing WASP culture on us lmao
4:14 AM · Jun 26, 2018


Muna Mire
Muna Mire
@Muna_Mire
anyway i'm Somali forever. you can't take that away or make me ashamed of it. we will survive this because we have survived so much worse. fuck this country and everything it stands for
7:03 AM · Jun 26, 2018

Blogger tz July 05, 2018 9:42 PM  

Parallel, the Declaration, to note Thomas Jefferson, included Indians as savages that would slaughter women and children

Wither the "all men are created equal" civnats when the same document says some men are savages?

Blogger Stilicho July 05, 2018 9:43 PM  

The laws of war with respect to reciprocity and proportionality apply here as well.

Blogger tz July 05, 2018 9:46 PM  

I'm not even sure civic nationalism is the correct term.
Preemptive civility nationalism?

Blogger tz July 05, 2018 9:49 PM  

@5 which I keep a tactical reserve of tictacs available.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 05, 2018 10:00 PM  

2.
Here's to the esoteric. Read CFA ingredients list for its various products. I found a sizeable percentage that is not proper food. I have never tasted CFA due to this reason: I don't want cancer or other malady. In fact, the only fastfood I eat is Chipotle, and only recently, but just when no other options are available given rice bran oil is bad stuff yet least-bad-stuff and it's Chipotle's only flawed ingredient. I urge lobbying CFA to remove the chemicals so they can increase their business because I would love to try the chicken sandwich. And so there is that.

Blogger FP July 05, 2018 10:11 PM  

In times of war, the law falls silent.

Blogger Mister Excitement July 05, 2018 10:11 PM  

Aaaah, good ol' Conservatism.

Here are most of the comments on a thread I found today at Free Republic. Topic of discussion is whether Trump should appoint a guy named Amul Thapar, and Indian, to the Supreme Court.

"Sounds like a very Constitutional fellow - a refreshing change for the Supreme Court."

"The south Asians are getting a bigger influence in this country. Might as well promote it."

"Look, I don’t mind if a person of Asian decent is selected. It’s just not of any interest to me to consider that in the process. Pick the best person."

"True but in the US they have not traditionally been referred to as “Asians”. How about we just refer to him as American? If he subscribes to identity politics then he wouldn’t be right for the SC in the first place."

"Hey, I’m a software engineer too and I have AMERICAN colleagues who are very good at what they do in IT. And yes, they happen to be of Indian ancestry."


Here is the link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3668611/posts


I can't believe up until last year I considered myself a Conservative.

Vox was right when he said in his Darkstream that Conservatism is dead and is no longer right wing.

If Conservatives are STILL in favor of immigrants taking positions of power in the US after 50 years of a tidal wave of immigration, then screw them.

They are traitors to their people.



Blogger Jack Amok July 05, 2018 10:14 PM  

I understand and agree with the argument, but I have to question anyone whose first reaction to an existential struggle is to feel bound by a rule about procedure rather than result.

Keep in mind, results are backwards-looking only. You can't specify future results, you can only observe past ones. What you can specify is the future process you'll use.

So you use a process, observe the results, then update your process accordingly. That's what I see here.

Blogger CitizenOutkast July 05, 2018 10:15 PM  

OT, but for the posterity idea: Comments/criticisms about this meme I made:
https://imgur.com/QR7zFB3

Blogger CitizenOutkast July 05, 2018 10:16 PM  

Stupid...forgot to make it a link: Our Posterity

Blogger Starboard July 05, 2018 10:21 PM  

17/18 I like it.

Blogger tublecane July 05, 2018 10:27 PM  

Traditional American manners have gone kaput for many reasons, chief among them the disappearance of social rank. Rank as it was, that is. Because social division persists under PC through the Diversity Hierarchy. But we pretend that doesn't exist.

I recommend reading two books on the subject: the Ordeal of Civility by John Murray Cuddihy and On the Freedom of the Press by Karl Marx.

The Ordeal of Civility is about how Jews had a tough go of trying to fit into gentile society after the liberalization of social laws in the 19th century. They didn't get Western manners, including our modern Anglo-based manners, which were developed to guide people in a world that had gone beyond interlocking extended kinship groups to progressive specialization and impersonality.

With us, it's not where are you from or who is your father, but what do you do. Manners help strangers get along. We have no idea how clannish, nepotistic, and cutthroat social interaction is in other societies. That where PC drives us.

Karl Marx was down on Prussian censorship, which he thought blunted his arguments. And indeed it did. He was allowed to say most of what he wanted to say, I think, but not the fire-and-brimstone stuff. Marx's argued censoring form was equivalent to censoring content, because the point of his writing was to move people to action. And he had to be bombastic to move people.

Civility tends to favor the ruling order, in our case a mix of PC, old-time manners, and chaos. It's devastating to people who lack all but uncivil means of communication. And if what's civil is the same as what's PC, we have no choice but to be uncivil.

Blogger Anthony July 05, 2018 10:32 PM  

She has to go back.

Blogger Darwinite July 05, 2018 10:58 PM  

@DH What specifically about the following are you afraid of? An MSG allergy? I’m not a fan of government mandating the addition of Folate to flour, because that’s pure social engineering (Folate adds to the odds of having twins/triplets, and increases the risk of congenital Spina Bifida), but the ingredients are all quite normal, and in fact seem much better than comparable products from other chains.
“Chicken (boneless, skinless chicken breast filet, seasoning [salt, monosodium glutamate, sugar, spices, paprika], seasoned coater [enriched bleached wheat flour {with malted barley flour, niacin, iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid}, sugar, salt, monosodium glutamate, nonfat milk, leavening {baking soda, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate}, spice, soybean oil, color {paprika}], milk wash [water, nonfat milk, egg], peanut oil [fully refined peanut oil, with Dimethylpolysiloxane, an anti-foam agent added]), bun (enriched wheat flour [wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid], water, sugar, yeast, soybean oil, wheat gluten, contains 2% or less of salt, cultured wheat flour, vinegar, calcium sulfate, monoglycerides, DATEM, calcium propionate, ascorbic/citric acid, enzymes, soy lecithin, potassium iodate), bun oil (soybean oil, palm kernel oil, soy lecithin, natural flavor, beta carotene), pickle (cucumbers, water, vinegar, salt, calcium chloride, alum, potassium sorbate [preservatives], natural flavors, polysorbate 80, yellow 5, blue 1).”

Blogger tublecane July 05, 2018 11:12 PM  

Conservatism Inc. has misplaced their sense of proportion regarding Trump in incalculable ways. But the silliest part is their beef with his crassness. Because they complain about it all the time, but especially when he's being effective. Which means it's really just a way to say he's not One of Them.

Which he isn't.

As for regular-cons, I don't know what's up their butts. They're the kind of people likely to have complained about Bush II never fighting back. Yet they criticize Trump as if he were Audie Murphy slaughtering Nazis as fast as he can, without pauaipa to genuflect and beg God's forgiveness every two seconds.

They need to take their red pills, of course.

Blogger Darwinite July 05, 2018 11:13 PM  

BTW the chipotle ingredient list is clearly lying. “White Flour” is not a single ingredient, it is made of many ingredients, including the government-mandated Folate I mentioned above.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 05, 2018 11:14 PM  

At the very least, any tactic adopted by an enemy should be applied immediately and with extreme prejudice against them. If you cannot corporeally instruct an enemy in the benefits of them eschewing any particular tactic against you, you're already dead and gone and you're just waiting for the material world to catch up.

Blogger tublecane July 05, 2018 11:17 PM  

OT: Hilarious headline in the Voice by Max Boot:

"Trump Is Guilty

The only remaining question is what exactly he's guilt of."

Is this a parody?

Blogger weka July 05, 2018 11:24 PM  

The Brisith Empire knew how to deal with such. Hang all the men, indenture all the women.

Blogger Jack Amok July 05, 2018 11:25 PM  

Well, along these lines, there's good ol' Kino Ahuitzotl Jimenez (quite the American name there, eh?) who lost his job at a Texas bar after he ripped the MAGA hat off a 16 year old kid eating at a Whataburger. Now let's see if the Texas Po-Po will reintroduce Kino to the slammer (he's got five DUIs and a car prowl arrest on his record).

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 05, 2018 11:30 PM  

22.
I disagree they are all "normal" or necessary. I did not address quality of the source because, for example, "folate" may derived from very different sources and introduce contaminants due to processing or bioavailability attributes having negative qualitites. Here are a few ingredients you have listed:

monosodium glutamate

bleached wheat flour

nonfat milk

sodium aluminum phosphate

soybean oil

fully refined peanut oil

Dimethylpolysiloxane, an anti-foam agent

monoglycerides

calcium propionate

enzymes

soy lecithin

potassium sorbate

polysorbate 80

yellow 5

blue 1

The list does not state the specific "enzymes" contributed and enzymes can have deleterious health effects and yet not be tested for human consumption. Peanut oil isn't a problem unless you are allergic but it needs to be cold expeller pressed, not blasted with hexane. Soy products up the estrogens in males and should be avoided. Wheat is not in need of bleaching. Nonfat isn't milk. You can research well beyond this and feel free to disagree but I personally have been highly selective in terms of what I am willing to ingest.

Blogger Redpill Angel July 05, 2018 11:32 PM  

OK, that clarifies things nicely. The next time we're at my sister's house, and my niece's sister-in-law smirks and says to me that she cannot be friends with Trump supporters, while my husband is kindly putting together new toys for her brats, I will not bite my tongue. No, I will laugh in her smug pie face, inform my hubby that, sadly, it appears we have been shunned, and advise him to dump the whole mess of half-done dollhouse back in the box. Then we will stay for dinner and drinks just to watch Stupid squirm.

Blogger tim July 05, 2018 11:37 PM  

How quickly they forget about the Chipotle feces shitstorm.

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/08/at-least-60-people-sickened-after-eating-at-ca-chipotle-restaurant/

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 05, 2018 11:44 PM  

31.
I didn't overlook the news. I merely never ate there until recently (last two months) and I admit to not being pleased with some ingredients at Chipotle. In any event Chipotle isn't the hill I choose to die upon. For what it's worth I simply wouldn't eat fast food at all for the past twenty years or so. I haven't tasted McDonald's or BK since I was a teenager and it made me feel sick (possibly exacerbated by cutting weight from football to wrestling via puking and other extreme measures).

I guess I should have simply stated I don't eat fast food with any regularity and, moreover, I very seldom buy ingredients for home cooking that are not fresh/whole, and I even go to extremes by purchasing shares in milk cows as a group member. 'tis what it is, but we're all paying into healthcare and you may wish to undertake some research. Peace.

Blogger Johnny July 06, 2018 12:00 AM  

@32

I got fussy about food for a while, and spent some time reading the ingredient labels on food in grocery stores. Remarkable how they will take an otherwise healthy food and turn it into something else with side ingredients. I am however skeptical that fast food is much different then what you get from other sources.

Blogger Darwinite July 06, 2018 12:17 AM  

@DH I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but wait until you find out what the “white” in Chipotle’s (and everyone else’s) “unbleached white flour” is. OK I’ll tell you: plaster of Paris and sodium aluminum phosphate. BTW the stuff you listed for CFA is all “good”. MSG is just a common type of salt that an insignificant number of people are allergic to; every bread product that isn’t already moldy _before_ you buy it, it has calcium propionate in it, guaranteed; Soy Lecithin is sold in health food stores as a supplement; Polysorbates and monoglycerides are food emulsifiers - every food that combines fats and non-fats has and needs them.

If I were to agree that nonfat milk is not really milk, then I would definitely have to go back, immediately, because there’s no such thing as cream in these United States, just slightly thickened milk.

I think you’re just irrationally afraid of things that end in “ate” and “ide”.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 12:24 AM  

@7

"A few months ago, I saw a speech by an Italian intellectual that used the term 'reciprocity' as in there must be both sides acting in good faith and without malice."

And along with reciprocity is ANOTHER good word to keep in mind: REPRISAL

As in:
Reprisal beat down.
Reprisal ass-kicking.
Reprisal air strike.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 06, 2018 12:26 AM  

34.
I'm going to prepare supper now so I'll be brief for convenience. My hired cows give me plenty, granted never enough, of *real* cow cream twice each month. Which I treasure more than scotch or wine. So yea, I personally know I can actually enjoy real cow cream in these here united states. Cheers.

Blogger Dire Badger July 06, 2018 12:30 AM  

Civility is like the laws of war. When they break civility, the ONLY acceptable response is to assume, from that moment on, that they are uncivil and respond accordingly.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 12:55 AM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 12:56 AM  

@13

" In fact, the only fastfood I eat is Chipotle, and only recently, but just when no other options are available given rice bran oil is bad stuff yet least-bad-stuff and it's Chipotle's only flawed ingredient."


You mean the E. coli from buying their produce from hippies who use human feces as fertilizer doesn't bother you?

Because it sure bothers other (former) customers, health department officials (on numerous occasions), and even the lower and middle management who have to deal with the mess every time another outbreak occurs.

Blogger Jack Amok July 06, 2018 12:58 AM  

The worst ingredient at any fast food restaurant is whatever made it into your food from the migrants preparing it.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:00 AM  

@2

"Here's to the esoteric. Read CFA ingredients list for its various products. I found a sizeable percentage that is not proper food. I have never tasted CFA due to this reason: I don't want cancer or other malady. In fact, the only fastfood I eat is Chipotle, and only recently, but just when no other options are available given rice bran oil is bad stuff yet least-bad-stuff and it's Chipotle's only flawed ingredient. I urge lobbying CFA to remove the chemicals so they can increase their business because I would love to try the chicken sandwich. And so there is that."


Have you never heard the concept of moderation?

Seriously, the natural pesticides which occur in EVERY LIVING PLANT, and especially in the fruits and the edible vegetable portions, are far more toxic to humans (usually neurotoxins) and in far greater quantities than whatever the farmers are spraying on their crops.

A lot of food additives, such as "gum arabic" (a thickener), or silica (to prevent caking), aren't food, but they aren't harmful, either.

And BHA... I'd rather get cancer 60 years from now than die of poisoning from some nasty mold next week.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:00 AM  

@41 gah, that was supposed to be @13, not @2

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:04 AM  

@15

>> "Hey, I’m a software engineer too and I have AMERICAN colleagues who are very good at what they do in IT. And yes, they happen to be of Indian ancestry."

That guy is either
1) An dot-head talking up his own kind
2) An idiot who doesn't know a good software engineer from a bad one,
or
3) a flat-out liar.


I've yet to meet ANY Indian who is actually competent in the IT sector.

If they can't cut-and-paste it, they can't do it.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:06 AM  

@18

I like it

Blogger Darwinite July 06, 2018 1:08 AM  

Fair enough. I thought I didn’t need to specify “bought cream” among ordinary people, but you and I know: dairy farmers are extraordinary people. Are you anywhere near GA? I’d love to have a source for real milk and real cream once more. I’d happily drive to any neighboring state for it.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:12 AM  

@8

She erased the incriminating evidence..

Fortunately, she's also already been called out on it by someone else.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:14 AM  

@22

"@DH What specifically about the following are you afraid of? An MSG allergy? I’m not a fan of government mandating the addition of Folate to flour, because that’s pure social engineering (Folate adds to the odds of having twins/triplets, and increases the risk of congenital Spina Bifida)"

You have it exactly backwards.

NOT ENOUGH folate causes Spina Bifida.

Folate supplement PREVENTS Spina Bifida.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:17 AM  

@22

DH is not DraveckysHumerus

DH is a completely different entity.

Please don't cause confusion by referring to one as the other.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:18 AM  

@26

"OT: Hilarious headline in the Voice by Max Boot:

"Trump Is Guilty

The only remaining question is what exactly he's guilt of."

Is this a parody?"

(((Max Boot)))

Any questions remaining?

Blogger Darwinite July 06, 2018 1:19 AM  

Dirk, you are absolutely right, thank you for correcting me. The Folate is added to prevent Spina Bifida, but the associated increase in multiple births with corresponding defects cancels out the benefits.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:29 AM  

@30

"OK, that clarifies things nicely. The next time we're at my sister's house, and my niece's sister-in-law smirks and says to me that she cannot be friends with Trump supporters, while my husband is kindly putting together new toys for her brats, I will not bite my tongue. No, I will laugh in her smug pie face, inform my hubby that, sadly, it appears we have been shunned, and advise him to dump the whole mess of half-done dollhouse back in the box. Then we will stay for dinner and drinks just to watch Stupid squirm."

As the left likes to say so often now:

"Free Speech has consequences".

Free Speech having consequences can work both ways.

Blogger Antony July 06, 2018 1:30 AM  

OT - but I thought people would find this interesting as it fits in with "The Last Closet" etc - but the Daily Mail has an article entitled "Daughters of Playwright Encouraged to Sleep with famous Oz Artists' ; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5827947/Daughters-playwright-offered-sleep-famous-Oz-artists.html - the mother was a feminist.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:32 AM  

@33

"I got fussy about food for a while, and spent some time reading the ingredient labels on food in grocery stores. Remarkable how they will take an otherwise healthy food and turn it into something else with side ingredients. I am however skeptical that fast food is much different then what you get from other sources."

More salt, and more animal fats.
Because both are tasty. And animal fats trigger the release of the hormone that makes you feel full.

But neither one is dangerous.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:36 AM  

@45

"Fair enough. I thought I didn’t need to specify “bought cream” among ordinary people, but you and I know: dairy farmers are extraordinary people. Are you anywhere near GA? I’d love to have a source for real milk and real cream once more. I’d happily drive to any neighboring state for it."

Be careful that the milk police don't arrest you.

And yes, I'm serious.

Blogger Dire Badger July 06, 2018 2:35 AM  

You think Indian IT guys suck, you should see how crappy their doctors are.

The VA is FULL of them. And they treat soldiers and sailors every time like they are lying. Our guys have died of CANCER because the dot head freaks think Americans are too stupid to be telling the truth about their headaches.

Frankly, I freakin hate them. Their arrogance and stupidity. I consider it a much higher priority to get the dots and their fake degrees OUT of our systems. The University of Bombay's free education means they have no admissions standards, and it shows.

Getting the dots out of our country ASAP is almost as high a priority as getting the wall built, although there are admittedly a few exceptions like Didact... but we can deal with exceptions once they are GONE.

The only things dotheads are competent at are running cash registers and Cabs. and even that second one is arguable, as their insurance (accident rate) is higher than it is for REAL americans.

It all started when I was watching an Indian compare himself to a furniture mover... sneering down his nose because the guy that busts his ass for 12 hours a day took a whole weekend to recover from his week's work, while the 'superior' indian had 3 jobs... sitting on his ass in a 7 eleven, sitting on his ass in a gas station, and sitting on his ass ferrying people around for uber.

Blogger Dire Badger July 06, 2018 2:37 AM  

@Dirk-

I have seen people sent to jail for YEARS for selling 'raw milk' to their neighbors.

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 06, 2018 3:03 AM  

The Golden Rule, even if you take it purely as an observation on human nature rather than an unqualified command, still implies that expecting civility from those to whom you are uncivil, is a sub-optimal strategy for successful personal interactions.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus July 06, 2018 3:30 AM  

Not what I do but here is a list of fellow future jailbirds lifted from a site I do not respect thus no attribution:
Chicago area: All Grass Farms, Cliff McConville, 18N681 IL Route 31, Dundee, IL 60118, email: cliff@allgrassfarms.com, phone: 847-387-3568, web: allgrassfarms.com. Serving the northwest suburbs of Chicago, raw milk from purebred, grass fed Guernsey cows. See full listing under Algonquin.
Beverly Buying Club – Seven Sons Farms, 10244 S Longwood Dr, Chicago, IL 60643, web: sevensons.net/locations/beverly, phone: 877-997-9449, Facebook: sevensonsfarms. Buying club pickup for raw milk cheese, raw camel milk, and pasture-raised meats & eggs. Downtown Chicago Buying Club – Seven Sons Farms, 1030 North Larrabee Street, Chicago, IL 60610, web: sevensons.net/locations/downtown-chicago, Phone: 877-997-9449, Facebook: sevensonsfarms. Buying club pickup for raw milk cheese, raw camel milk, and pasture-raised meats & eggs.
Edgebrook Buying Club – Seven Sons Farms, 5901 N Central Ave, Chicago, IL 60646, web: sevensons.net/locations/lincolnwood, Phone: 877-997-9449, Facebook: sevensonsfarms. Buying club pickup for raw milk cheese, raw camel milk, and pasture-raised meats & eggs. Family Farms Cooperative, Richard Hebron, email: familyfarmscoop@netzero.com, phone: 269-476-8883. Raw milk products (milk, cream, butter) are now available through a cowshare program. Deliveries are made once every four weeks to Aurora, West Dundee, Forest Park, Highland Park, Edgewater, DesPlaines, and Schaumburg. Email Richard for more details. Fresh from the Farm Cooperative, Sheri Giachetto, email: smg9@comcast.net, phone: 630-257-9092. Provides local, organic, farm-sourced raw dairy, meats, and produce. Began in May 2001 as a result of the family’s pursuit for high-quality food directly from the farmer/producer. Array of foods from various providers include raw milk, cream, and other raw dairy products; organic grass-fed beef and pork; pastured chickens and eggs; raw honey and bee pollen; and organic produce in the summer months, all from local, independent, organic farmers. Weekly pickups Homer Glen, Winfield, Chicago, South Holland, and Palatine. Currently serving more than 120 families from the Chicago metro area. New members welcome; contact Sheri with any questions.

Pasture’s Delights, website, social media, pickup locations, email, cell: 260-366-6455. Raw Milk – Ayrshire Cow and Nubian/Toggenburg Goats. Raw Milk Farms: Facebook: www.facebook.com/rawmilkfarms. Providing raw milk delivery through a local farm in Illinois as a distributor on a farm-to-consumer basis.
http://www.realmilk.com/real-milk-finder/illinois/#il

Mine delivers. Write to you with my prison number after they bust the door down and surround us with machine pistols and grenades. That will teach us. Pray for the cows please for they are innocent (except for Sadie).

Blogger Dire Badger July 06, 2018 3:56 AM  

No more refugees. From anywhere.

If they were worth importing, they would already be fighting, and maybe even dying, to fix their OWN country.

To hell with the cowards. Kill them all. We do not need the Human Garbage from another country.

Is that Uncivil enough?

Blogger tublecane July 06, 2018 4:19 AM  

@Dire Badger- I used to work at a hospital (non-VA), and I don't remember any Indians. But it was bursting at the seams with Pakis.

Blogger tublecane July 06, 2018 4:21 AM  

...That was around when Benazir Bhutto was killed, which led to some interesting conversations.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 06, 2018 4:49 AM  

Also, do not confuse "nice" and "good". The two absolutely are not the same, and God never told us to be "nice", but to be good.

https://youtu.be/8Q-H2WE-faU

Blogger VD July 06, 2018 5:48 AM  

Why are some of you babbling about your food? Take it to Twitter and post pictures of it there if you're so obsessed with it.

Why on Earth would you think anyone else cares what you're eating?

Blogger Mr. Deficient July 06, 2018 5:53 AM  

All food is on two spectrums. One is Nutritional content and the other is the degree to which it is pro inflammatory and/or dangerous. Peanuts and Soy have absolutely no absorbable nutritional content and are highly pro inflammatory. Things that are best case scenario are things like organ meats and Oysters/Clams/Sardines etc.

Blogger DJT July 06, 2018 5:56 AM  

There is nothing superior about naturally occurring chemicals over the exact same chemicals made in a lab. They are exactly the same.

"All natural" is a gimmick to get people to pay more. And in fact, it's bad for the environment. Take vanillin for example. You can strip the rainforest clean and still not meet demand, or you can make it in a lab. It's C8H8O3 either way.

Blogger Pierre Truc July 06, 2018 7:36 AM  

Mister Excitement wrote:"Sounds like a very Constitutional fellow - a refreshing change for the Supreme Court."

This begs for someone yelling "Shut up cucks." And that's civil. The uncivil option? Deportation over the wall by trebuchet.

Redpill Angel wrote:The next time we're at my sister's house, and my niece's sister-in-law smirks and says to me that she cannot be friends with Trump supporters

Being rude to liberals is so liberating! It's like punching your middle school bully in the mouth after they screwed with you for so long. Only drawback is... it's addictive! LOL.

An example:

Liberal - "What? You like Milo Yiannopoulos?"

A this point the specimen will look at you expecting you to cuck, to fall victim to their shaming tactic, and apologize for being such a nazi. Even saying nothing in retort is letting them win, which they relish. So, the following should be delivered with an utter absence of shame:

"Oooohh, Milo is so handsome and smart, I'm totally gay for him! Gotta be TO-LE-RANT! (giggle)"

Blogger Dire Badger July 06, 2018 9:19 AM  

tublecane wrote:@Dire Badger- I used to work at a hospital (non-VA), and I don't remember any Indians. But it was bursting at the seams with Pakis.

Indian doctors are MUCH more clever than Pakis.

Va doctors are immune to civil suits for malpractice.
They are NOT required to be a member of the military (Unlike active duty hospitals).
They do not have to work emergency room shifts.
They cannot go to jail for killing a couple of people through stupidity.
They are almost impossible to fire.
they get vastly more money (No malpractice insurance, free certifications via easily-manipulated testing, civilian contractor Housing allowance, access to base amenities)

The list of reasons just go on and on. But they have figured out the ultimate dodge for an incompetent boob.

In the 80's, the Dot doctors figured out the dodge, and once they were inside, they started putting pressure to hire as many more Bombay-trained Shamans as possible.

Blogger Alphaeus July 06, 2018 9:34 AM  

"http://www.breakpoint.org/2018/07/breakpoint-transgender-fury/#comment-3972206248"

Cuck Colson tried to say that the problem with the transgender activists is that they are lacking in courtesy. I've been trying to tell those guys that the problem with transgenders is they are deliberately trying to demoralize the normal people by driving them insane and therefore they do not deserve to be treated with courtesy.

Blogger Unknown July 06, 2018 9:42 AM  

Why on Earth would you think anyone else cares what you're eating?

When you lets the beast out of its cage, you can hardly complain when it shits where it wants.

Blogger Kevin Walker July 06, 2018 10:17 AM  

Excellent.

Blogger Avalanche July 06, 2018 10:36 AM  

@20 "I recommend reading two books on the subject: the Ordeal of Civility ..."

Get your women to read: The Benevolence of Manners: Recapturing the Lost Art of Gracious Victorian Living by Linda S. Lichter

From which (pg 76)

Can we conceive of measuring this nation's progress, no less its greatness by what men do for women? All we do today is lament what men do to women. In the last century, entire books were written on the daily courtesies men owed to women. Should we ridicule – or envy – the unquestioned female rights to chairs of choice, decent language, assistance into a carriage, a smoke-free environment, and countless other "ladies' first" privileges?

In the broadest sense, the superior strength of men entitled them to serve, not to be served. Chivalry required that men not only live for women but die for them as well. Chivalry's historic culmination – and its finale – actually occurred eleven years after the Victorian era officially ended. Yet that event was quintessentially Victorian in spirit.

Everyone knows the story of that fateful April night in 1912 when the "unsinkable" Titanic struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic. As Wyn Craig Wade recounted in his book The Titanic, only a third of the 2,235 passengers and crew survived; most who did were women and children. When one of the ship's officers was asked during a subsequent investigation if this "women and children first" policy was the captain’s rule or the rule of the sea, he replied that it was the "rule of nature."

For Victorian men worthy of the name, making the ultimate sacrifice was the rule of nature, as well as civilization's triumph over the primal instinct of self-preservation. The fact that man was descended from the beasts was no excuse to act like one. On the contrary, the capacity for self-sacrifice was seen as a fulfillment of the truly human nature that raised us above our bestial origins. The behavior of the men who went down with the Titanic testifies to the power of these ideas to guide their thoughts and actions. We can give an ideal no greater testament than to die for it.

Sworn testimony revealed that several male passengers refused to enter lifeboats because they could not be certain all the women aboard had been saved. One man, when ordered into a lifeboat, not only went under protest but even made the ship's officer sign a statement describing the circumstances, to dull the stigma of surviving a calamity that claimed female lives. Among the few cowards who dashed for the lifeboats, one was evicted and beaten bloody by men who stood stoically on deck, facing death but spared dishonor.

Blogger Avalanche July 06, 2018 10:36 AM  

cont.:

The all-but-forgotten monument to the Titanic calamity, a relic of a forgotten chivalrous age, isn't even mentioned in many major guidebooks. Sadly, a similar tragedy today would likely have a less-than-inspiring outcome. By the modern laws of survival, only the fittest cross the finish line. Women would be left to sink or swim – quite literally – unless they were stampeded or pitched overboard by men racing for lifeboats. If push came to shove, no politically correct quota system could preserve a percentage of lifeboat seats for women. It would truly be every man for himself. (I'd like to believe the children would be saved, but I wouldn't bet my life on their chances.)

This scenario illustrates the misogynist peril of the strict gender equality that looks good on paper and makes for stirring sound bites. Victorian civility – not feminist consciousness – conquered the brutality of a kill-or-be-killed world. The twentieth century's march toward every form of liberation has often produced Pyrrhic victories that laid waste the best traditions of the past, and left us to do our atavistic worst.

The smallest gesture of "sexist" gallantry divides women now, and its crowning glory divided women in 1912, when suffrage was a deeply divisive issue. Radical suffragists rejected the chivalrous spirit demonstrated aboard the Titanic. One English socialist warned women on both sides of the Atlantic to "consider very carefully whether it is worthwhile to let men assume the entire burden of physical sacrifice in times of danger." But this view posed its own "danger" – making it "difficult to get men to relinquish their heroic ideals."

However, the historic valor of those chivalrous men on the Titanic was criticized by the Chinese Merchants Association in a public statement issued shortly after the British liner sank. As Wyn Craig Wade recounts in The Titanic, a spokesman expressed contempt for a culture that placed the lives of women above those of men. Were the ship Chinese, he said, men and children – but no women – would have been saved. (Although the spokesman didn't press the point, little boys would doubtless have outranked little girls among the children on this survival scale.)

Blogger Darwinite July 06, 2018 12:05 PM  

I won’t disrespect our host by returning to the food topic, except to kindly thank DraveckysHumerus for his research.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 06, 2018 1:48 PM  

@73

Half of his reserach is of... shall we say .... dubious nature.

Blogger DonReynolds July 06, 2018 2:27 PM  

Looking back through the long history of society, one cannot avoid a basic truth....An Armed Society is a Polite Society....(and the more armed, the more polite).

Of course, this just stands to reason. Men walking around with a sword on their hip and a brace of pistols may be treated as gentlemen and when they encounter other such men, they display the utmost in kindness and civility...so as to not give offense, which seems to be taken as a good excuse for the more natural tendency toward violence.

Arm yourselves and rude conduct seems to evaporate like magic.

Blogger Mr Darcy July 06, 2018 3:45 PM  

@29

And MSG is a neurotoxin.

Blogger Mr Darcy July 06, 2018 3:49 PM  

@34

You'd better read this:

https://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Traditions-Challenges-Politically-Dictocrats/dp/0967089735/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530906488&sr=1-1&keywords=nourishing+traditions&dpID=61tntldpwyL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

It's not a cookbook, regardless of what the ad says. It's a textbook with recipes.

Blogger Mr Darcy July 06, 2018 3:50 PM  

@45

Raw milk is available at retail everywhere in South Carolina.

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