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Monday, August 13, 2018

A dialogue with The New York Times

NYT: Good morning and hope you have been well. I am writing to get insights from you on why the turnout, as reported, was low for the Unite The Right rally yesterday?  Your previous emails to me were quite helpful and insightful and I am hoping you could provide me with some perspective on yesterday's rally.

VD: Because the Unite The Right was Fake Right all along. It has nothing to do with the genuine right wing. The organizer was a left-wing fraud from the start. You guys in the media keep falling for the act, but no one else is anymore.

NYT: That's very interesting. Thanks for responding so quickly. What do you mean by fake right?What are some examples of the organizer being a fake. What has he done? Has this belief caused division within the right? Trying to fully understand.

VD: He's not a right-winger. He's not of the political or ideological right. He's an Obama supporter. He belonged to Occupy. This isn't that hard. Look it up.

NYT: Last question: Why does Unite The Right have nothing to do wih the genuine right wing? What issues are you referring to?

VD: Because it's run by socialists, atheists, and pan-racial imperialists. As I said, they are Fake Right. They may be to the right of communists and Che Guevara, but that's about it. It's a false flag.

These are the sort of questions I don't really mind from the mainstream media. Obviously, I ignore the vast majority of contacts, but I happen to be acquainted with this particular reporter and it is safe to answer his questions because he has never - literally never - quoted me in the paper or anywhere else. This is partly because my answers are so completely orthogonal to the paper's narrative, and partly due to the fact that he usually contacts me when he is trying to resolve his cognitive dissonance between the NYT narrative and the observable facts.

The mere fact that he contacted me about the rally is informative, though, because it confirms my suspicion that the mainstream media is genuinely confused as to why no one from the Right bothered to show up for the well-publicized, well-covered rally that was supposed to unite them. They have no idea how to even go about explaining the massive difference between their anticipation of the event and how it actually turned out.

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Blogger Timmy3 August 13, 2018 8:57 PM  

The way he phrased his questions make it sound like it’s beyond not having a clue. It’s provocative to be so ignorant as if they’re trying to get you riled up so you must prove it or somehow you’re actually the pretender. They are quite skilled in making everything upside down. At least they didn’t ask for a link.

Blogger Timmy3 August 13, 2018 8:59 PM  

Also, maybe the right doesn’t want to confront Antifa and the media will blame the right for the violence. They always do.

Blogger VD August 13, 2018 9:01 PM  

The way he phrased his questions make it sound like it’s beyond not having a clue.

They do often play dumb, but in this case, they genuinely have no idea why the rally was such a bust. I mean, they fully expected to get a week or more of stories out of it; remember that last year they got MONTHS of stories. Now there is just... nothing.

Blogger Matt August 13, 2018 9:05 PM  

Vox, have you played or read about the new Doom game?

"Earth is the melting pot of the universe"
"Demon is an offensive term. Please refer to rhem as morally challenged."

Blogger basementhomebrewer August 13, 2018 9:06 PM  

VD wrote:The way he phrased his questions make it sound like it’s beyond not having a clue.

They do often play dumb, but in this case, they genuinely have no idea why the rally was such a bust. I mean, they fully expected to get a week or more of stories out of it; remember that last year they got MONTHS of stories. Now there is just... nothing.


Leaves a little space to spread confusion in their ranks. Maybe try to convince them that they were so persuasive last year that they finally converted all those right wingers to their side.

Blogger cecilhenry August 13, 2018 9:06 PM  

Is this an example of how the Revolution will not be televised??



The left doesn't want to hear the answers, why are they surprised when it doesn't show up on their clock?

Blogger Dave August 13, 2018 9:11 PM  

Trying to fully understand.

Sure they are. They were hoping for another Charlottesville they could use to paint the POTUS and the Right into a corner. Fake right, true right, Alt right it doesn't matter; just shades of gray to them.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 13, 2018 9:14 PM  

Good Lord how dumb are they? A few hours at most on the Web would have answered the question.

Blogger weka August 13, 2018 9:14 PM  

It is always useful, for the revolutionary party, to have a tame opposition who will lose gracefully and allow you to have a victory parade. Unite the right are in that niche.

We should not care about the Antifa riot in a converged city. Or the fake opposition.

Blogger tz August 13, 2018 9:24 PM  

@8, they don't even know how to search for anything which might contradict their narrative.

This is a key difference - the right with it's Christo-philosophical roots seeks out arguments against as a mechanism to verify and refine they know the truth.

The left only seeks confirmation for their bias and goes berzerk when an undeniable brick shatters their overton window.

Because this NYT reporter only sees people with MAGA hats as also wearing hoods and sheets and being led by the grand poobah of the KKK, they can't imagine that there are only two dozen of them at most in the USA that would bother, and worse, they didn't take out illegal machine guns and slaughter the peaceful anti-facist protesters singing give peace a chance and the cops.

They were waiting for grand poobah great pumkin Godot, and were disappointed after it became obvious.

Blogger Lovekraft August 13, 2018 9:34 PM  

It's been circulating that another way this blew up in the left's faces is it showed legacy media to be crying wolf. Yet again.

On a plus side, the antifa goons were filmed assaulting said media as well as making ass'n threats against Trump. Again, never interrupt the enemy...

Brilliant and sharp answers, Vox. You left them nothing to sting you with and a lot to ponder.

Blogger Lovekraft August 13, 2018 9:35 PM  

I hope we're on the cusp of the left finally relenting and examining our platform/16 points.

There's only so much name-calling before they realize it doesn't work and they have to put on their big boy shoes.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 13, 2018 9:46 PM  

Trying to fully understand.

Yeah, that line jumped out and made me laugh too. True in a way, but not in the way you're supposed to take it.

Blogger Lazarus August 13, 2018 9:46 PM  

Speaking of Media manipulation and complicity (I think this might be one of the BOOMz for this week):

In preparation for explosive developments soon to reach critical mass CTH strongly urges everyone to think carefully about these recently discovered empirical truths:

#1) The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence had the full, unredacted, FISA application on Carter Page since March 17th, 2017. Think carefully about that. Think about what every member of that committee has said since March 17, 2017.

#2) With the leak of the Top Secret FISA application, by James Wolfe to Ali Watkins, Buzzfeed, The Washington Post and New York Times have had the full, unredacted, FISA application in their possession since March 17th, 2017. Again, think carefully about that. Think about all of their reporting since March 17, 2017.

#3) As a direct consequence of #1 and #2 – The media have deliberately, and with specific intent, falsified their reporting and kept the truth hidden which would undermine their false reporting. Again, think very carefully about the ramifications.

The media’s role in the DOJ/FBI corruption scandal is not only pervasive, it’s participatory.


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

Blogger Argus Bacchus August 13, 2018 9:54 PM  

"NYT: Good morning and hope you have been well."

Yeah, I bet you do. How touching and sincere. Pass the kleenex. Right now Vox is rewriting his last will and testament to include you.


"NYT: Last question: Why does Unite The Right have nothing to do with the genuine right wing? What issues are you referring to?"

See the response to question #2, comrade. Time to refill your Ritalin script.






Our intellectual and moral "superiors", folks.

Obviously.

















Blogger Stilicho August 13, 2018 9:54 PM  

Those questions read as if they were posed by a troll-bot

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 13, 2018 10:01 PM  

This is partly because my answers are so completely orthogonal to the paper's narrative

I love your use of "orthogonal" here. I wonder where else I might see the word used this way.

Blogger SergeiSiminov84 August 13, 2018 10:06 PM  

Quote Cecil Henry :

"Is this an example of how the Revolution will not be televised??
The left doesn't want to hear the answers, why are they surprised when it doesn't show up on their clock?"


As per that video showing Pantifa fools failing to smash a window of a Marine recruitment outlet.
'They' probably would not want 'The Revolution' to be televised cause it would be so damned embarrassing for their part.
All those limp-wristed soy-boys & their childish temper tantrums...

Blogger Lazarus August 13, 2018 10:11 PM  

The mere fact that he contacted me about the rally is informative, though, because it confirms my suspicion that the mainstream media is genuinely confused as to why no one from the Right bothered to show up for the well-publicized, well-covered rally that was supposed to unite them. They have no idea how to even go about explaining the massive difference between their anticipation of the event and how it actually turned out.

Q said the media narrative had to be subverted, and it is being subverted.

The Cabal are stupid because they have playing on the field without opposition until now. They never thought she would lose, they never thought they would actually have to perform.

Blogger tuberman August 13, 2018 10:21 PM  

They threw a party, and the guests did not show up.

Well, it was their party, and they can cry if they want to.

Blogger Daniel Babylon August 13, 2018 10:22 PM  

@18 The danger with the media is that they take your quotes and spin it into a story (often harming your image). As Vox just explained, this particular reporter never quotes him, he just uses Vox as a resource.

Blogger Lazarus August 13, 2018 10:29 PM  

Daniel Babylon wrote:As Vox just explained, this particular reporter never quotes him, he just uses Vox as a resource.

More's the pity.

Blogger Daniel Babylon August 13, 2018 10:31 PM  

Lazarus wrote:More's the pity.
What's the problem?

Blogger Unknown August 13, 2018 10:35 PM  

Ohhh man... I can't wait to see this guy's face when he meets Gen Z on the 2020 campaign trail.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1026119866884005889

Blogger Lazarus August 13, 2018 10:40 PM  

Daniel Babylon wrote:Lazarus wrote:More's the pity.

What's the problem?


Would you not like to see these Vox quotes in the "Grey Lady"? The "newspaper of record"?

They dare not.

Blogger John Best. August 13, 2018 10:44 PM  

Its almost like they thought we wouldn't learn from our mistakes? Like we would keep falling for the same trap over and over again. It is very interesting how they are distraught when we don't do marches or protests. That seems to be the only tactic they have to make us look bad and without it they are lost.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 13, 2018 10:45 PM  

"the mainstream media is genuinely confused as to why no one from the Right bothered to show up for the well-publicized, well-covered rally that was supposed to unite them."

They assume we're stupid.

They make the same mistake with the God-Emperor all the time, after all.

Blogger a - k August 13, 2018 10:56 PM  

I'm sure that they expected a conversation more reminiscent to "Interview With The Vampire" than a short back and forth.

Blogger Daniel Babylon August 13, 2018 10:58 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Would you not like to see these Vox quotes in the "Grey Lady"?
My mistake, I thought you meant something else. Of course it would be great if Vox could debunk the fake right on some large platform.

Blogger eclecticme August 13, 2018 11:05 PM  

Pithy and brilliant. I love the world orthogonal and sometimes use it myself, but only for technical stuff.

Your comments about the organizer might even cause the reporter to resort to google and make some lights go off. Even then, he would not convince the upper editorial ranks.

Blogger cyrus83 August 13, 2018 11:22 PM  

It's somewhat surprising the reporter knows enough to ask for enlightenment when the lefty narrative runs orthogonal to observed reality, the easy way to resolve the cognitive dissonance for the left would be to assume the media had given the event too much publicity so everybody stayed away.

Blogger Noah B. August 13, 2018 11:35 PM  

What is the value for us in helping the Fake News understand what's really happening?

Blogger Daniel Babylon August 13, 2018 11:57 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:What is the value for us in helping the Fake News understand what's really happening?
Maybe it shakes up their whole worldview. And the Fake News purveyors may be worth trying to save. After all, Paul was first a Pharisee

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 14, 2018 12:00 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:I love your use of "orthogonal" here. I wonder where else I might see the word used this way.

In describing a set of basis vectors.

Blogger Reasonably Honest August 14, 2018 12:01 AM  

@32

Maybe the information exchange works both ways.

It is amazing that the MSM is so clueless about what is going on and what will happen.

So they will continue to stumble from one self-inflicted disaster to another until they crumble into total irrelevancy, even among those demographics who continue to read newspapers and believe what they see on the news? It seems to me that there are people who will never change their worldview even when the evidence against it is totally overwhelming.

Blogger Azimus August 14, 2018 12:08 AM  

Why do you even call it a rule?

Blogger nswhorse August 14, 2018 12:32 AM  

John Calla wrote:Ohhh man... I can't wait to see this guy's face when he meets Gen Z on the 2020 campaign trail.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1026119866884005889



The replies say it all. 95% lefties reacting to their biases being confirmed.

Blogger turk187 August 14, 2018 1:26 AM  

Who is the organizer?

Blogger Shimshon August 14, 2018 1:51 AM  

Brilliant. There is no way to selectively excerpt a single word you said in furtherance of their narrative.

The repeated variations of the same question do indeed seem troll-like. Is the ability to investigate beyond these people? I mean, he's reaching out to you. But he doesn't bother to research the backgrounds of the organizers without your prompting? Has he, since? It's all available on Google! No gumshoeing needed. This is the New York Times, right? The Carlos Slim Blog, for the lulz.

Blogger Shimshon August 14, 2018 1:57 AM  

Orthogonal. I think I first heard that word used in reference to the PDP-11 instruction set. Vox Day, the PDP-11 of the alt-right.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart August 14, 2018 2:43 AM  

Orthogonal. I think I first heard that word used in reference to the PDP-11 instruction set.

Originally a mathematical term. Meaning to stand at a right angle - i.e., outside of the frame of reference of the preceding area/ space/ set.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart August 14, 2018 2:47 AM  

In describing a set of basis vectors.

Lol, Linear Algebra. Albeit orthogonality isn't strictly required for a basis. Linear independence is sufficient.

Blogger SciVo August 14, 2018 3:28 AM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:What is the value for us in helping the Fake News understand what's really happening?

None, because they would just lie more effectively. But they won't, because their paycheck depends on their not understanding it.

However, you could entertain yourself mildly insulting them, as long as you didn't say anything that could be taken out of context to support the Narrative. Say, maybe Vox should do that next time! Oh wait...

Blogger VD August 14, 2018 3:47 AM  

What is the value for us in helping the Fake News understand what's really happening?

It amplifies their cognitive dissonance and makes it harder for them to push their false narratives. Remember, they actually believe a lot of their lies. That's part of what makes them effective.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 14, 2018 3:51 AM  

@40

"Orthogonal. I think I first heard that word used in reference to the PDP-11 instruction set. Vox Day, the PDP-11 of the alt-right."

The PDP-11's orthogonality has nothing on the VAX-11.

Oddly enough, it was the proliferation of addressing modes, and that any addressing mode could be used for any operand is what created the demand for the explicit opposite -- Reduced Instruction Set architecture, as introduced by the SPARC Clipper CPU.

When an instruction can have as many as 5 operands, each of which can be a memory location, or worse, a memory location indirectly addressed by another memory location AND auto-incremented or auto-decremented, the chances of producing a virtual-memory page fault is pretty high... and that means the entire so-far-executed parts of the instruction have to be rolled back (including any auto-decrements or auto-increments... and immediate data was implemented as post-increment register indirect using the program counter (Register 15) as the specified register).

The VAX-11 instruction set -- the most beautiful I've ever seen.

VAX-11 instruction execution, in the real-world -- absolutely the worst I've ever seen).

Blogger Shimshon August 14, 2018 5:45 AM  

Dirk, you want to give me a nickel to buy a real computer?

In any case, I think it was the first computer I heard referred to as having an orthogonal instruction set, not the ultimate example of it.

I remember dozens of us CS 163 (Compiler Construction) students sharing a single VAX 11/780, and bringing it to its knees, every single night.

Blogger Attila is my bro August 14, 2018 6:22 AM  

LOL he literally said (((my fellow white men)))!

Blogger Tiny Bunch August 14, 2018 6:44 AM  

I've noticed the left has a real problem when a label doesn't match the reality. To them the Affordable Healthcare Act absolutely is about making healthcare affordable. Antifa can only be fighting fascists...it's in the name so it must be true no matter how much the evidence otherwise.

Blogger Blaidd August 14, 2018 7:14 AM  

Tiny Bunch wrote:it's in the name so it must be true no matter how much the evidence otherwise.

This only applies to sympathetic organizations. Antifa is just fighting the fash but, despite being the National Socialist party and espousing a range of left wing policy, Nazis couldn't be anything other than a "capitalism on steroids" right-wing party.

Blogger GithYankee August 14, 2018 7:23 AM  

The conversation demonstrates why the VP reader wouldn't show up to UTR, but not why American white nationalists didn't show up. We are not as smart or principled as the average VP reader, as you have shown. Left/Right doesn't apply to us, we only have pro-white or anti-white. NOT West, not America. White/not-white.

We didn't show up because we can't afford to lose more people to prison and job terminations, and have decided to allow the burghers, the maga's and the q's to fight for 1A, and see how they do. My prediction is they will not restore the historical demographics, the only relevant measure of success.

All WN rallies and protests will be done unannounced on private property, or flash mob style into the future. We will generally be masked, as hate speech laws will be retroactively implemented by the changing demographic leadership. The empire's 1A no longer applies to 60% of it, and we don't intend to lose more people fighting for a country that doesn't exist.

Rallies nobody shows up to are an effective form of educational activism. They drive one organ of the state (antifa) to fight the other organ of the state (police).
Our message gets out (one has to declare why there is a gathering in the first place). The empire can't allow signs of fracturing in its capital, so peace will be maintained for those few who haven't gotten the message that the empire's constitution is no longer enforced.
Of course 1A is not defended in any real sense, but explaining all that to some Goldberg at NYT is impossible.

Blogger VD August 14, 2018 10:28 AM  

We didn't show up because we can't afford to lose more people to prison and job terminations, and have decided to allow the burghers, the maga's and the q's to fight for 1A, and see how they do. My prediction is they will not restore the historical demographics, the only relevant measure of success.

The fact that you guys were fighting for the 1A shows how strategically inept you are. The 1A has nothing, literally nothing, to do with your objectives.

Blogger InformationMerchant August 14, 2018 12:44 PM  

You'd have thought journalists would at least be vaguely aware of information about the organizer that's around. Especially as places like Snopes tried to defend him.

After he made the weird twitter post last year, failed to let Weev bail him out and even made Spencer disavow, journalists could've noticed that. They also could've noticed his claim "I can't think of any occupation that I admire more than the professional provocateur". His reading of his poem "White Devils", the anti white poem he wrote.

The right made loud claims about his support for Obama, occupy, etc but the other stories were so fairly well known and spread pretty far.

He also got beat up by a girl, which doesn't hurt his right wing credentials, but does hurt his ability to get anyone to follow him.

Blogger db4805 August 14, 2018 1:06 PM  

tz wrote:@8, they don't even know how to search for anything which might contradict their narrative.

This is a key difference - the right with it's Christo-philosophical roots seeks out arguments against as a mechanism to verify and refine they know the truth.

The left only seeks confirmation for their bias and goes berzerk when an undeniable brick shatters their overton window.

Because this NYT reporter only sees people with MAGA hats as also wearing hoods and sheets and being led by the grand poobah of the KKK, they can't imagine that there are only two dozen of them at most in the USA that would bother, and worse, they didn't take out illegal machine guns and slaughter the peaceful anti-facist protesters singing give peace a chance and the cops.

They were waiting for grand poobah great pumkin Godot, and were disappointed after it became obvious.


Yep.

Blogger DonReynolds August 14, 2018 1:16 PM  

The NYTimes will only print what fits neatly in their pre-conceived narrative and anything else ends up in the NYPost or the other grocery store tabloids.

But this story really eats at their guts. How can half the USA elect Donald Trump (and still support the President after two years), who are the definition of The Right at the NYTimes, and only manage a couple of dozen demonstrators at a Unite The Right anniversary? Are they cowards and afraid of being doxxed by one of the Leftist Liberal watchdogs? Are they simply lazy or are they still sulking over the loss of NFL football to black player protesters? OR MAYBE do Trump voters now regret their vote and have given up involvement in street demonstrations? Ah...that would fit the anti-Trump narrative of the NYTimes. We will run with that story and all other explanations can simply be ignored, especially that part about the Judas goat (Kessler) leading the Unite The Right demonstration into an ambush. (We did our part at the NYTimes and Virginia state and local Leftist politicians did their part too. No need for that to get out, since it would only create confusion.)

Blogger db4805 August 14, 2018 1:16 PM  

Daniel Babylon wrote:@18 The danger with the media is that they take your quotes and spin it into a story (often harming your image). As Vox just explained, this particular reporter never quotes him, he just uses Vox as a resource.

Yep.

Blogger db4805 August 14, 2018 1:30 PM  

Daniel Babylon wrote:Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:What is the value for us in helping the Fake News understand what's really happening?

Maybe it shakes up their whole worldview. And the Fake News purveyors may be worth trying to save. After all, Paul was first a Pharisee


No, they are just trolling for anything they can use.
Vox is just too careful with his words. They can't twist anything he says into something they can use. That's one of the benefits of being direct and a minor celebrity. If he were President they would still call him a racist or whatever suits their narrative.

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