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Sunday, August 05, 2018

Darkstream: Generation Shapiro or Generation Zyklon?



From the transcript of the Darkstream:

I didn't really think about Shapiro at all until 2005, when I dubbed him the Littlest Chickenhawk, and the reason I did so - remember this is back in 2005 okay - and what Shapiro did, despite the fact that he was of an age to join the military, he wrote and claimed that invading Iraq and invading Iran and basically invading the entire Middle East and establishing an American empire that would be democratic was the most most vital issue of our time. It was the absolute priority for the United States of America, and yet he didn't join the military! It was more important for him to go to college and go to law school. I mean, this is the literal definition of a chickenhawk, somebody who demands the country go to war but refuses to do so himself.

So back in 2005 I dubbed him the Littlest Chickenhawk after he tried to justify himself and defend himself and it was absolutely, totally inept. Totally unconvincing, you know, and it really astonished me that anyone took him seriously after that. I mean, Shapiro has no intellectual integrity at all! He prides himself, his supporters talk about how he's supposed to be this fearsome debater, he's written a little pamphlet on how to destroy liberals in an argument, but here's the thing. He ran away from the opportunity to debate Milo Yiannopoulos. Twice he talked about a general debate challenge, I  contacted him and said, "Ben, I'll be happy to debate you." Once it was on economics, I don't recall what the other one was.

Both times he practically left tracks fleeing in the opposite direction, and so you know the guy is a complete and utter fraud.

Did Iraq pose an immediate threat to our nation? Perhaps not. But toppling Saddam Hussein and democratizing Iraq prevent his future ascendance and end his material support for future threats globally. The same principle holds true for Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan and others: Pre-emption is the chief weapon of a global empire. No one said empire was easy, but it is right and good, both for Americans and for the world.
– Benjamin Shapiro, WorldNetDaily, Aug. 11, 2005

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Blogger Garuna August 05, 2018 7:08 PM  

Did Iraq pose an immediate threat to our nation? Perhaps not. But toppling Saddam Hussein and democratizing Iraq prevent his future ascendance and end his material support for future threats globally. The same principle holds true for Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan and others: Pre-emption is the chief weapon of a global empire.

Pure evil.

[Global empire] is right and good, both for Americans and for the world.

Fuckin hell. I had no idea Shapiro had openly declared support for a global empire. Would it finish him off if this became common knowledge? Too many people just assume he's a generic conservative. This anti-democracy global empire shit is wildly unpopular.

Blogger SciVo August 05, 2018 7:10 PM  

Wow. The transnational managerial class really does see America as a "global empire"; and as an empire is not a nation with its own native interests, it is therefore nothing more than a sword to be wielded in the interests of (((those))) with the will and ability to grasp it. How sickeningly depersonalizing and false.

Blogger Brian Dean August 05, 2018 7:20 PM  

This is off topic from the original post, but I was wondering if Vox would comment on why he doesn't take American Buddhists seriously.

Blogger Bubba August 05, 2018 7:23 PM  

So what was the deal with the boss man at WorldNetDaily?

I stopped reading WND during the neocon buildup to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. WND and Frontpage Magazine were pimping war and the Triumph of Democracy so much it made me sick.

At the time, the bossman's touting of the Boy Pundit seemed weird. Who was this kid? Where on earth did he suddenly come from?

The best I can figure is that a WND funder had a quiet chat with the WND bossman and he decided to try him out.

Do you know the backstory?

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums August 05, 2018 7:29 PM  

This is similar to what Christopher Hitchens did. Looking back now he was filling the same role Jordan Peterson is now. I remember this one talk he did, it was on an open air podium and he was answering questions from the public. A woman asked something to the tune of "if you support the war in Iraq why not join the army and volunteer there?". His answer struck a significant blow to the high opinion I had of him at the time. He said that his work in promoting the war through his rhetoric is as important if not more important than that of a soldier.

There should be a new law. If you're arguing for a war but unwilling to join and the future consequences are far worse than what you promised, you should pay some sort of price. Maybe prison, maybe become an indentured servant for the families that lost a son, maybe lose a limb. "Skin In The Game" should not be a book, it should be mandatory.

These people are gambling with someone else's money and declare themselves great poker players. However the people that give them the money hold some of the blame as well.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 05, 2018 7:36 PM  

Shapiro makes my blood boil and a red haze descend over my eyes. Fuck that little bitch.

Blogger doctrev August 05, 2018 7:37 PM  

"Most of his stuff is to preserve his viability as a public intellectual figure."

I get that he's confessed to being a massive fraud, and that he knows he's a fraud every second of the day, but God's holy hat, Vox, you posted on Ben Shapiro's most obviously evil column last year.

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/07/transfer-is-not-dirty-word.html

It's good to hunt down racists. It's good for Koreans to preach white hatred. Roseanne deserves to be fired. James Gunn doesn't deserve to be fired. The West Bank and Gaza should be cleansed of Palestinians.

None of these things belong together! Is there a practical or personal reason to avoid relentlessly hammering him on the fact he's said much more evil and bigoted things than literally anyone he's criticized, including yourself? You point out he's an intellectual fraud, and I'm 100% there, but there's no reason in the world to not take a hammer to "reasonable public intellectual." He has zero intellectual integrity, he has no MORAL integrity. Hanging him out as a "respectable" figure should be the death knell of the New York Times, because if you promote two insane racists like Sarah Jeong and Ben Shapiro, that's it. You're done as a prestige publication, and your readers should be less popular in America than Daily Stormer readers.

I think it's obvious to get rid of people illegally in a country, and advisable (not practically obvious, YET) to purge it of anyone who works against the interests of its nation. If the alt-right can't say that ethnically cleansing other nations for lebensraum is Hitler-level wrong, the alt-right doesn't just deserve to fail, it deserves to be destroyed. I know it doesn't, except the Tard branches, and that's why it deserves to live.

Needless to say, any organization putting a ethnic cleanser Zionist at its forefront must be destroyed. Imperatively. It's not just that they're the real racists, it's that they're psychopathically imperial and bigoted, much worse than the Nazis and taking on insanely larger odds, and they must be destroyed.

As for Alt-Hero #3, I really like what you did with the government taking away Rebel's family. And how our heroes responded. It occurs to me that your villains are less villainous than the current American government, probably because in your world they'll be lynched either by angry neighbors or pissed-off supers if they pull truly egregious bullshit. Great issue, and the series gets better with every new release.

Blogger Hammerli280 August 05, 2018 7:40 PM  

The problem with preemption as a strategy is that you have to choose targets very carefully. You haven't the strength to preempt everybody (and that goes double for the USA, due to the Three Year Limit on support for wars). And trying to do so makes neutrals who don't really pose a threat worry about when they will appear on the Hit Parade.

It's worse than honest imperialism. THAT had a profit/loss standard.

Blogger SciVo August 05, 2018 7:42 PM  

Brian Dean wrote:This is off topic from the original post, but I was wondering if Vox would comment on why he doesn't take American Buddhists seriously.

Does anyone? I once knew a real American Buddhist; he actually lived and studied with Tibetan monks, and absorbed their faith, spirituality, and attitude -- that is to say, their received knowledge, serious reverence, and Tibetan chauvinism (which was funny, because he was as white as me).

That is not to disprove the stereotype, but rather to highlight it by contrast: that American Buddhists are known for being ignorant, frivolous, superficial, New Age, hippie, pseudo-intellectual, crypto-philosophical, universalist cultic nutbars.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 05, 2018 7:46 PM  

Brian Dean wrote:why he doesn't take American Buddhists seriously.
For the same reason that American Buddhists don't take Buddhism seriously. They invented a fake religion, further from its sources than Churchianity is from Christianity, completely inverted the meaning of essentially every component of Buddhist thought, and use it mainly to demonstrate to others how comparatively spiritual they are. American Buddhism would not be a more perfect parody if J. P. Sears had invented it.

Blogger VD August 05, 2018 7:51 PM  

I was wondering if Vox would comment on why he doesn't take American Buddhists seriously.

They don't understand the philosophy and they don't practice the religion. Scientology is more legitimate.

Is there a practical or personal reason to avoid relentlessly hammering him on the fact he's said much more evil and bigoted things than literally anyone he's criticized, including yourself?

I'm really not that interested in Ben Shapiro. I've exposed him. Repeatedly. For 13 years. The fact that so many morons insist on continuing to listen to him and support him is not my problem.

Blogger Dave August 05, 2018 8:02 PM  

@doctrev whoa spoiler alert

Blogger tublecane August 05, 2018 8:03 PM  

I saw that violin clip on YouTube. Larry King himself introduces little Benji as aspiring to be the first orthodox rabbi on the Supreme Court. Then he plays the theme from Schindler's List. It's like a sketch from Anti-semitic SNL.

Blogger Lovekraft August 05, 2018 8:12 PM  

Somewhat o/t but interesting nonetheless:

rewatched "Devil's Advocate" (1997 Al Pacino, Keanu Reeves, Theron) and about a third of the way through when Keanu is slowly being seduced to the dark side, he's at a party with the NYC elite and global cabal types.

One guest says to the other "Trump couldn't be here. Probably dealing with Zuckerman" (or something to that effect). Note that the movie also has, as the big trial case, a developer-type accused of triple-murder.

Talk about Q anon fodder.

Blogger tublecane August 05, 2018 8:25 PM  

@2- America is a node of NWO power, not the global empire itself.

Old-style Teddy Roosevelt imperialists are gone. But there are some remaining who actually believe they are looking out for America's interests. Others are pure globalists (i.e. universalists, communists, etc.). The neocons may or may not be the latter, but the Shapiro types are certainly in the "American global hegemony is good for the juice" mindset.

They play on American imperialist sentiment by keeping us forever stuck in the 1939 mindset. (Not even the American 1939 mindset, but the British.) And also continuing to play off the "you broke it, you bought it" mindset following WWII.

Blogger IreneAthena August 05, 2018 8:31 PM  

@1 Neoliberalism preaches the same thing now. The “anti-democracy global empire” malarcky got wildly unpopular (conveniently) right around the time Obama made his first bid for president and presented his foreign policy as an alternative during the campaign. (Even before his election, though, prominent neocons were letting it be known that Obama was someone they could work with.) Once he became president, even the most ardently anti-Bushitler-ists were applauding Obama’s military actions in Syria, Libya & other PNAC targets as “the US acting as a good global citizen.” And for the most part, they still do.

Blogger Daniel Babylon August 05, 2018 8:39 PM  

>Amazon bans anything with a Confederate flag on it
Do they also ban anything with a communist flag on it?

Blogger IreneAthena August 05, 2018 8:53 PM  

@1 The good news is that people too young to vote in those elections are looking at globalism with fresh critical eyes, but neocons and neoliberals are trying hard to appeal to the new generation of voters, too. Hillary Clinton and Karl Rove were signed up as speakers at a music fest in NYC last month. Ozyfest.

Blogger Anno Ruse August 05, 2018 8:53 PM  

"He ran away from the opportunity to debate Milo Yiannopoulos."

Says it all. Milo isn't a lightweight, but he's not a heavyweight either. A true intellectual should be able to overcome Milo's sassy style and win the debate. I'll give Benny this. He's smart enough to know not to pick fights he can't win.

Blogger tz August 05, 2018 9:20 PM  

Irrelevancy is the true Hell. Billions of years into the new Earth, or even one millisecond, we will not even remember those who are left in the microscopic crack (See Lewis: Great Divorce) where the dustspeck full of mutual mocking spirits as well as the father of lies are contained within).

(((Benji))) has already crossed the gates, gone beyond the event horizon, and doesn't realize the "accolades" are merely magnificent mockery.

Blogger tz August 05, 2018 9:22 PM  

Z(x)ylkon v.s. Shapiro in a cage match?
Can we organize soem battle when Freestartr is fixed or replaced?
"I can't breathe!"

Blogger Unknown August 05, 2018 10:13 PM  

Good to see you doing a job on Shapiro who is a wolf in sheep's clothing and a Koch brother's mouthpiece. I wish you would be harder on him and easier on Peterson (Peterson doesn't pretend to be right wing, he is what he says he is a progressive heretic who hates feminism, Peterson may not be right wing but he causes dissension in "The Cathedral").

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 05, 2018 10:25 PM  

Unknown, why not both?

Blogger Unknown August 05, 2018 10:40 PM  

It won't let me post a name...

I know Peterson is INTENDED as controlled op but I don't think he is working out that way, here is why I think Vox Day is wrong and Spandrell (of Bloodyshovel) is right.

Peterson doesn't claim to be right wing and yes he opposes nationalism and is certainly no genuine Christian okay fine.

But his "secular religion" is heretical from what neoreactionaries call the Cathedral's secular religion. Peterson's religion does not hold that minorities and women are holy and good and that white men are unholy and evil. Jordanetics would be a huge improvement over Progressivism and nothing else has caught fire. You go on jihad with the prophet you have.

Peterson is also a genuine heretic on the woman question (I don't think anything so unites the dissident right as wanting a severe rollback in women's rights), hes not quite as hardcore as say Jim Donald but hes close. Reading between the lines he clearly thinks that all women's right legislation including 19th century female emancipation was a mistake. Hes way too far off the reservation there to be true controlled op.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 05, 2018 10:48 PM  

... his "secular religion" is heretical from what neoreactionaries call the Cathedral's secular religion.

Satanic religions can differ on anything and everything, so long as they deny the divinity of Jesus.

Blogger Unknown August 05, 2018 10:57 PM  

But if they fight each other is it not good, especially if they fight the evil church of egalitarian progressivism.

I'll take Jordanetics as the official religion over progressivism in a second. Jordanetics does not hold that white men are evil as progressivism is, Jordanetics is outright hostile to so called women's rights and would probably drive professional feminist into exile if not burn them at the stake. How is that not a MASSIVE improvement?

Blogger Al K. Annossow August 05, 2018 11:12 PM  

Jordanetics is like what conservatism was - a brief pause in the progressive and globalist agenda while people acclimate before moving on. I reject anything that does not substantially rollback the current status because it is a waste of effort and a mollifier.

Blogger Crew August 05, 2018 11:15 PM  

What years define Generation Z?

Blogger Anno Ruse August 05, 2018 11:33 PM  

"What years define Generation Z?"

The devil's years. Satan is alive and is evil, and his demons walk the Earth. His numbers are 6, 6, and 6. Add them together and you get 18. A child born before the year 2019 is a potential servant of the serpent.

Watch them closely. They might worship the Master of Evil!

Blogger Crew August 06, 2018 12:08 AM  

OK, it seems that Generation Z is from 1995 to 2009.

Thus only those born from 1995 to 2000 can vote in the mid-terms, so even if they are "natural conservatives" many of them cannot vote, and they might be too busy with computer games to vote!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 06, 2018 12:13 AM  

My oldest son was born in the last year of Generation Zyklon, by that definition. He likes to point at people sideways and tell them they aren't cool.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len August 06, 2018 12:38 AM  

The question of slimy globalist distraction Jordan Peterson has been asked and answered here, repeatedly and in depth. Please don't try to re-fight that lost battle with "but at least he wants to put those uppity ladies back in their place, am I right, fellow alt-right he-men?"

Blogger OneWingedShark August 06, 2018 12:44 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Shapiro makes my blood boil and a red haze descend over my eyes. Fuck that little bitch.
Here's a few pics from the good folks over at 4chan: showing how the media hypes him [Warning: a bit coarse], and pointing out his hypocrisy.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella August 06, 2018 12:44 AM  

Re: voting and Gen Zyklon. Quit thinking so short-term. You are the grownup. Vote like a grownup.

Gen Zyklon is a generational shift. Their voting habits and viewpoints and approaches to finding information are different than before. These will stay with them. Trump and the alt-right are molding a generation.

The only women who consistently vote right are women who were teenagers when Reagan was president. I'm in that group. I'm not embarassed to be pro-Reagan, Republican, and I've lived in liberal cities my entire life. That sense of safety, competency, forthrightness, and, yes, beauty and elegance, that I saw with Reagan, I see with Trump. I'm nearing 50. Something I couldn't vote on back when has molded me for life.

You should rejoice that so many men have taken so much time and talent to help the young, the poor, the inexperienced. They made (make) free videos of high quality, memes, jokes, and I don't know what else electronica.

Blogger Scott C August 06, 2018 2:01 AM  

Good video, but I disagree that the mainstream media doesn't want people listening to Lauren Southern. When she described what made the West great to a reporter from New Zealand, she said it was "free speech, democracy and women."

Blogger Shevtar August 06, 2018 2:14 AM  

Lee Stranahan not long ago mentioned in one of his periscopes that when he and Shapiro both worked for Breitbart, bosses demanded other journalists to voice their ideas to be further explored and made into articles by Shapiro

Blogger tublecane August 06, 2018 2:41 AM  

@24- "He can't be controlled opposition because he's marginally better than the thing he pretends to oppose" is not a strong argument.

Watching Peterson on video and thinking he is in anything but the lukest of warm opposition to the reigning order is blindness.

Blogger Brian Dean August 06, 2018 2:51 AM  

"I was wondering if Vox would comment on why he doesn't take American Buddhists seriously.

They don't understand the philosophy and they don't practice the religion. Scientology is more legitimate."

I would like to discuss this further but I don't want to hijack this thread. So if Vox is interested in discussing it, I will do so elsewhere. I will not make any further comments about this topic in this thread. I too am not interested in Ben Shit-Pee-Row.


I used to be an American Buddhist until I noticed how they would have an almost goo-goo baby like awe when encountering statements such as: "You are the only person with your life in the entire universe". Or that they would take certain Buddhist theories (that have little to do with core doctrine) seriously. Like for example, the teaching that before you were born, you observed your parents having sex and became attracted to the parent who is the opposite gender of you.

I do however, understand the Buddhist teaching of emptiness and Buddhism still interests me at some level.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 06, 2018 3:39 AM  

The only serious buddhists I know of are burning down Muslim villages in Myanmar ....

Blogger Bilroy August 06, 2018 5:41 AM  

"Reading between the lines he clearly thinks that all women's right legislation including 19th century female emancipation was a mistake. Hes way too far off the reservation there to be true controlled op."

He has often made redpill remarks regards women but push comes to shove, he'll disavow any meaningful rollbacks.

Blogger The Lab Manager August 06, 2018 6:39 AM  

"4. Bubba August 05, 2018 7:23 PM
So what was the deal with the boss man at WorldNetDaily?

I stopped reading WND during the neocon buildup to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. WND and Frontpage Magazine were pimping war and the Triumph of Democracy so much it made me sick."

I gave on WND after Joe had an opportunity to endorse Ron Paul for president and instead cucked and wrote a column how wonderful Bush would be for us. Maybe Al would have been worse but it was always a toss up at that point in time.

Yes, it's sad that Ben could not be bothered like Pat Tillman to sign up for American empire building and get some military action.

Blogger Shimshon August 06, 2018 7:19 AM  

@41 Regarding WND, the last straw for me was when Farah endorsed Bush in 2004. Even worse, it was at the behest of his wife. It took guts for him to sit out the 2000 election. He took a lot of heat from his very Republican readership for that. Sitting out 2004 should've been a no-brainer.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 06, 2018 7:27 AM  

On September 12th, I inquired as to whether I could come back into the Marine Corps I'd left a decade earlier.

The recruiter told me I was too old.

I told him to be more respectful of his elders, or I would thrash him with my cane.

Blogger Pierre Truc August 06, 2018 7:33 AM  

Something tells me Benji's going to be featured in the daily meme war... here's some raw material!

Not tall enough.

Benji in a pink bunny suit.

The mini-ben. So cute!

Blogger Pierre Truc August 06, 2018 7:55 AM  

I might be spamming a little bit, sorry about that, but... I can't stop laughing.

Blogger DonReynolds August 06, 2018 9:20 AM  

Invade Egypt? Is he completely insane?
Egypt has 95 MILLION people!
Why didn't he pick a smaller country to invade....Turkey (68 million), or France (67 million), or even Germany (83 million)?

Blogger DonReynolds August 06, 2018 9:27 AM  

NeoCon "chicken hawks", like Dick Cheney and Ben Shapiro and George W. Bush, make my teeth loose, make my hair fall out, and give me a skin rash.

The NeoCons have already had their time on the throne and they bungled it and disproved everything they ever preached .....and still have not modified their goals.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 06, 2018 12:41 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Why didn't he pick a smaller country to invade....Turkey (68 million), or France (67 million), or even Germany (83 million)?
Because France, Germany and, at the time, Turkey, were not a threat to (((his country))).

Blogger The Gray Man August 06, 2018 11:42 PM  

Anyone notice the pro-Jordan Peterson concern trolls are using nicknames like "Unknown"?


I'll take Jordanetics as the official religion over progressivism in a second. Jordanetics does not hold that white men are evil as progressivism is, Jordanetics is outright hostile to so called women's rights and would probably drive professional feminist into exile if not burn them at the stake. How is that not a MASSIVE improvement?


I cannot stand concern trolls. The lame almost-right-wing ones are the best at actually trolling because they're half sincere, but dear God their soy-boy soft chins shows right through.

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