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Saturday, August 04, 2018

Everybody's Alt-Right now

I told you it was inevitable. But for the time being, conservatives are still determined to try to hold on to their bowties and good opinion of themselves as fine upstanding individuals who are above getting their hands dirty by actually laying hands on the enemy:
Ask any conservative hate-listed by the SPLC (me, for example) what it’s like to work for decades to achieve a successful career and then be labeled a menace to society based on some left-wing ideologue’s interpretation. The Left has been smearing the Right this way for so long — they did it to Barry Goldwater, they did it Ronald Reagan, they do it to every conservative — that we scarcely even notice it anymore.

What has happened in recent years is that the Right has begun to fight fire with fire, and the Left calls this “harassment.” This was the basic story of #GamerGate: Videogame enthusiasts had grown tired of their hobby being targeted by “social justice warriors” (SJWs) and decided to fight back. Defending themselves against the organized lobby of politically correct censors and critical-theory busybodies (e.g., Anita Sarkeesian), the #GamerGate crew were accused of “misogyny” and “haraassment.” And this exposes the double-standard: When the Left attacks the videogame industry, this is “activism”; when gamers fight back, this is “harassment.” Likewise, when left-wing outfits use the past words of conservatives to brand them racist, this is “research”; when the tables are turned, liberals call it “trolling.”

As John Sexton at Hot Air notes, the Left is defending Sarah Jeong’s anti-white hatred as simply “the way the social justice left talks”:

“White people” is a shorthand in these communities, one that’s used to capture the way that many whites still act in clueless and/or racist ways. It’s typically used satirically and hyperbolically to emphasize how white people continue to benefit (even unknowingly) from their skin color, or to point out the ways in which a power structure that favors white people continues to exist.

Having engaged in a bit of satirical hyperbole myself, I call bulls–t here. It’s a blatant double-standard — one rule for liberals, another rule for everybody else — that permits “the social justice left” to engage in blatant hate-mongering, while conservatives are compelled to tiptoe carefully and watch every word lest they accidentally say something that might somehow be interpreted as “racism.” What conservatives need to do is to start calling the Left’s rhetoric what it is: hate propaganda.
That actually made me laugh out loud. I like Robert Stacey McCain, his intentions are undoubtedly pure, but like most conservatives, he simply has no clue that there isn't a silent majority that is going to gravitate to whichever side can present itself as the least hateful. Calling the Left's rhetoric "hate propaganda" is going to be even less effective than "Dems R the Real Racists" was.

What conservatives need to do, what they will eventually be forced to do whether they want to or not, is to embrace science, history, and reality, and finally accept that blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims, Indians, and Jews are NEVER, EVER going to take their side or align with their idiotic, idealistic universalism. What conservatives need to do is accept that for better or for worse, they are the White American party now, and pursue their own interests accordingly. All anyone has to do to understand how any immigrant interest group is reliably going to vote is to look at how that interest group prefers to live in its own country. The dirt is not magic.

This really isn't that hard a concept to grasp. Immigrants don't move to the USA in order to live like White Americans any more than Californians move to Texas in order to live like Texans.

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91 Comments:

Blogger John August 04, 2018 10:13 AM  

But think of the bowties!

Blogger Lazarus August 04, 2018 10:27 AM  

Having engaged in a bit of satirical hyperbole myself, I call bulls–t here. It’s a blatant double-standard — one rule for liberals, another rule for everybody else — that permits “the social justice left” to engage in blatant hate-mongering, while conservatives are compelled to tiptoe carefully and watch every word lest they accidentally say something that might somehow be interpreted as “racism.”

Italy has an idea:

Italy Family Minister Calls for Repeal of Hate Speech Law Used as ‘Ideological Weapon’ by Globalists

Blogger Don't Call Me Len August 04, 2018 10:49 AM  

They really believe that charges of "hypocrisy" and "double standards" will shame the left, when the arbitrary application of force is the entirety of their political "philosophy".

Blogger Mark Stoval August 04, 2018 11:06 AM  

The Left has been smearing the Right this way for so long — they did it to Barry Goldwater, they did it Ronald Reagan, they do it to every conservative — that we scarcely even notice it anymore.

Indeed the left has been smearing the right for generations now. It is what they do.

I figure that the leftists are rotten to the core: Evil beyond belief. Add to that the fact that the evil bastards project all the time and we see they NEED to defame, denigrate, denounce, disparage their enemies. And Lord do they have enemies. Disagree with a SJW? They think you MUST be "literally Hitler". Do they even know the guy is dead now?

What we have to know in our hearts is that the leftist does not deserve to live on this earth anymore than their father Satan does. (over the top?)

Western civilization must put down the left if our civilization is to be saved.

Blogger Rhys August 04, 2018 11:13 AM  

It's not even hard to imagine embracing the brand name "White American" party increasing voter turnout.

Blogger pyrrhus August 04, 2018 11:14 AM  

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/08/04/diversity-proximity-war-sarah-jeong-edition/

Blogger pyrrhus August 04, 2018 11:14 AM  

There will be blood...

Blogger Evagrius August 04, 2018 11:16 AM  

The Great Reversal away from Universalism and back to Localism is well under way.

Blogger English Tom August 04, 2018 11:27 AM  

@Don't call me Len

There is absolutely nothing that will shame the left. The leftists need what Frank Herbert called 'the whip that instructs.'

Smash them with hammers.

Blogger English Tom August 04, 2018 11:30 AM  

@Mark Stoval

The leftist doesn't deserve to live on this Earth any more.

They need to be sent to hell on a long journey of pain.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 04, 2018 11:34 AM  

I have a friend who was once the target of a 6 page smear job in the NYT and years later, when he was charged with murder (and that case was just recently dismissed with prejudice) the SPLC did a hit job on him too, along with the usual suspects of local media.
His problem? He was known to be a patriot.
So try to imagine my seething hatred of all things "Bowtie".

Blogger Lance E August 04, 2018 11:37 AM  

Don't Call Me Len wrote:They really believe that charges of "hypocrisy" and "double standards" will shame the left, when the arbitrary application of force is the entirety of their political "philosophy".
Yes, they do. I've seen it firsthand. I tried to explain trolling and offensive tactics to one once and he actually said "oh, I just show that they're being hypocrites, no one wants to be labelled a hypocrite". No matter how I tried to persuade him, he insisted that this was the best strategy.

Most on the right have woken up to the fact that the left projects its own evils onto the right, but still can't accept the possibility that they are projecting their own virtues onto the left. Accusing SJWs of hypocrisy is the same as accusing neocons of being pro-war.

But to be fair to McCain, I seriously doubt he's trying to persuade leftists here. The reason for continuing to expose the left's constant hypocrisy is to keep non-leftists focused on the fact that "they hate you and want you dead".

Personally, I prefer "Who, Whom?" But I can see how his version might be useful in building up more psychological resistance on the right. Unlike DR3, it's not accepting the left's moral frame, it's just stating an obvious fact.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 04, 2018 11:51 AM  

The question that comes to my mind is, how do we get the normies to understand that they are hated and wanted dead, without undoing all that great work towards this understanding that the left has already done through their own actions. But maybe the answer escapes me because it entails something beyond my qualities and capabilities.

Blogger FALPhil August 04, 2018 11:52 AM  

English Tom wrote:
There is absolutely nothing that will shame the left.

This is a 100% true statement. In my memory, it goes all the way back to Nixon and Watergate. Nixon was shamed out of office. Too bad he didn't have SJWs Always Lie to read.

Fast forward 40 years, and we have corruption on an epic scale - Fast and Furious, IRS targeting, Benghazi, Walpin, non-secure servers - and the fourth estate just shrugs and says, "No big deal".

No shame, no pain.

So, the interesting point about all this is that the racist NYT has taken a page out of our book to tell us that they don't care.

Time to amp up the tactics.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 04, 2018 11:53 AM  

@Lance E
What drives these people is a genocidal hatred of white people. It is no exaggeration to say they hate you and want you dead!
They absolutely have no shame. Maybe your brother in law or some other relatively normal non-ideological liberal can be shamed, but the thought leaders, academics, politicians and media figures cannot! They should be openly mocked, ridiculed and driven out of polite society.

The 'respectable' right is not right at all. At best they are relics of a bygone era who fail to understand that the rules have changed. At worst, they are enemy controlled pied pipers trying to lead us off a cliff!

Blogger dvdivx August 04, 2018 11:55 AM  

I think the NYT hiring of an open bigot along with the open support by Shipiro el all shows Jews are now openly hating whites and making that hated a plus towards employment. Its not the bowtie crowd I'm worried about as most of them are in nursing homes its the evangelical cucks that are isreal firsters even if it means the death of christianity.

Blogger Robert Stacy McCain August 04, 2018 12:00 PM  

Excuse my protest, but no one has ever before accused me of "idiotic, idealistic universalism." It is indeed "hate propaganda" that we are confronting, and an effective program of countering this begins with calling things by their right name. I'm not an open-borders "proposition nation" ideologue, and do not deny that people -- actual human beings -- are the means of cultural transmission. Nevertheless, politics is a war of ideas, and ideas must be communicated as rhetoric. We cannot enact effective policy if we cannot elect a governing majority, and this means that we must employ rhetoric aimed not only at conveying our own ideas, but at countering the ideas of our antagonists.

By identifying the rhetoric of the Left as hate propaganda, as I propose, we alert people to the danger that menaces them. The rhetoric of the Left reveals the sort of policies they aim to implement, with a punitive purpose toward the groups they target by such rhetoric. Force the Left to defend themselves against the charge that they are fomenting hate -- against white people, against males, against Christians, etc. -- and you have reversed the typical situation where it is conservatives who are always playing defense.

Blogger Lance E August 04, 2018 12:02 PM  

@15

Good point on the "brother-in-law". I remember watching one of Molyneux's call-in shows where some dude thought he was a master rhetorician because he'd had a few conversations with friends and coworkers. The typical conservative has probably had sane (albeit ineffective) conversations with center-left liberals, which has shaped their belief that "most people are basically good/reasonable". It's only when they're personally exposed to the shrieking outrage mob that they understand who their enemy really is - and sometimes, unfortunately, not even then.

Blogger The Observer August 04, 2018 12:06 PM  

Force the Left to defend themselves against the charge that they are fomenting hate -- against white people, against males, against Christians, etc. -- and you have reversed the typical situation where it is conservatives who are always playing defense.

So, how's "Democrats are the real racists!" working out?

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums August 04, 2018 12:09 PM  

Robert Stacy McCain wrote:hate propaganda

>implying "hate" is immoral
>implying 4chan doesn't call itself "Defenders of Hate"
>implying /pol/ didn't help Trump get elected
>implying you can use pc words to persuade a channer

>implying I can greentext

Blogger wreckage August 04, 2018 12:10 PM  

"Hate propaganda" is probably decent rhetoric aimed at the starry-eyed right who even now do not accept that there's a powerful faction that literally wants them dead and forgotten.

Convincing them that the Left's continual abusive nonsense is not just what they get from their wife, but what the Jews got from Hitler (or, pick your propaganda softener for genocide as you prefer).

Seeing this as not merely mouthy bad behaviour from juveniles, but an active and premeditated campaign of hatred from calculating adults, could be the Red Pill for some.

Blogger dvdivx August 04, 2018 12:12 PM  

Just start linking groups like the SPLC and ADL with the KKK. All three are racist hate groups and should openly be identified as such.

Blogger Jack Collinson August 04, 2018 12:15 PM  

If the culture was strong enough to assimilate foreigners, then racial/tribal conflict would not occur. The problem is that the dominant culture is consumerism, which is too weak to prevent it. You will see that there is multiracial unity where there is a strong culture (e.g. a leftist college campus), and which also tends to promote inter-marriages. Rather than promoting ethnic conflict along nationalist lines, what is needed is a dominant supranational cultural force, i.e. Christianity. But Vox has more faith in national pride than in what he calls "Churchianity." Admittedly, the Church is very weak at the moment, and corrupt human nature tends towards excessive national pride (not equivalent to patriotism, which is good) and ethnic conflict; nevertheless, we shouldn't be lamenting rather than exulting over this. It is not inevitable.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 04, 2018 12:17 PM  

FALPhil wrote:Fast forward 40 years, and we have corruption on an epic scale - Fast and Furious, IRS targeting, Benghazi, Walpin, non-secure servers - and the fourth estate just shrugs and says, "No big deal".

Yes, and lefties go around talking about the "completely scandal-free Obama era", without the slightest qualms. And not just the nuttiest fringe either. The "normy" left does it; e.g. my shitlibby brothers and SILs. Ugh. Clueless, brainwashed dupes.

Blogger VD August 04, 2018 12:24 PM  

It is not inevitable.

It most certainly is. The pendulum has barely even begun to swing back.

Blogger VD August 04, 2018 12:28 PM  

By identifying the rhetoric of the Left as hate propaganda, as I propose, we alert people to the danger that menaces them. The rhetoric of the Left reveals the sort of policies they aim to implement, with a punitive purpose toward the groups they target by such rhetoric. Force the Left to defend themselves against the charge that they are fomenting hate -- against white people, against males, against Christians, etc. -- and you have reversed the typical situation where it is conservatives who are always playing defense.

With all due respect, Robert, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about. None whatsoever. You are rhetorically incompetent, as you are literally 2,500 years out of date on the subject.

You CANNOT defeat rhetoric with dialectic, as you propose. Aristotle observed this.

You're still playing defense. Tell them they're not Americans and they have to go back. THAT is effective and winning rhetoric.

Blogger DonReynolds August 04, 2018 12:35 PM  

There was a time, like during the Civil Rights era, when the Leftist Liberals were ridding a wave of American values. The biggest wave of all was the idea that WE ARE ALL AMERICANS and we deserve to be treated like any other Americans.

Of course, there were good and rational reasons for what they called "Jim Crow laws", mostly public health and sanitation and public safety. But the public (Liberal Media) considered any reason to be excuses for unjustified naked racism. So none of these reasons are valid. What is important is that ALL AMERICANS be treated the same! (It was a difficult argument for patriots to counter at the time.)

Thank goodness, Leftist Liberals never talk that way anymore nor do they think that way. Now it is more identity politics and each of the favored identity groups are superior to the stupid white masses....just because, or slavery or not being able to vote. Now life is much easier to understand. The partisan groups are no longer beating Martin Luther King's drum....no, now it is Stokely Carmichael, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, and Malcolm X.

Even the LGBTQRS militants are no longer wanting to simply coexist peacefully. It is not enough that they can live openly and get married and not be in fear of their employment or business. They said for decades, they ONLY wanted to get the government out of their bedroom. That is funny, because in the next Census, they want the government to get in everyone else's bedroom....including their own. How disappointed will they be when they find out the US Census is not a dating service?

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 04, 2018 12:35 PM  

Yesterday I was following a CoC discussion regarding some software I use. A well-meaning fellow raised an objection to the obviously slanted language in the CoC (you know the usual), pointing out that could be applied unfairly. Someone called him a butthurt incel, and the pile-on began. Most bystanders appeared to blame him for starting it.

You can't beat them by trying to get them to follow their own rules, using their terminology. They created things like PC codes in the first place to be a stacked deck. It doesn't apply to them. And moderates and other bystanders won't see the righteousness of your case, because they're too conditioned to seeing the side that always cries victim as the victim. If they do recognize that you're being attacked, at best they'll call it even by blaming you for triggering them.

Blogger Salt August 04, 2018 12:38 PM  

Looking into helicopter manufacturers to invest in as I see an increase in sales in their future.

Blogger phunktor August 04, 2018 12:40 PM  

wzfz:your post isn't even wrong! "imply" already has a meaning
a implies b is definitionally (a&!b).

Blogger phunktor August 04, 2018 12:40 PM  

!(a&!b)

Blogger VD August 04, 2018 12:45 PM  

If the culture was strong enough to assimilate foreigners, then racial/tribal conflict would not occur. The problem is that the dominant culture is consumerism, which is too weak to prevent it.

No. The problem is that the native population is too demographically overwhelmed. There is nothing to which immigrants can assimilate. Consumerism would not be a problem for assimilation if the population was 95 percent Anglo-American.

Blogger VD August 04, 2018 12:47 PM  

Excuse my protest, but no one has ever before accused me of "idiotic, idealistic universalism."

Don't feel bad. It applies to all American liberals and conservatives alike. You subscribe to the concepts of "all men are created equal" and universal human rights, do you not?

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 04, 2018 12:47 PM  

By identifying the rhetoric of the Left as hate propaganda, as I propose, we alert people to the danger that menaces them.

I’ve been menaced a few times in my life but never by the exercise of hate speech.

But I did chuckle.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 04, 2018 12:53 PM  

Kudos for showing up.

Now flash your eprom, mate.

Blogger pyrrhus August 04, 2018 1:05 PM  

@32 Indeed. Back in the '50s, we were just as "consumerist" as today, to the extent that we had money to spend, but somehow it wasn't a problem.....

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 04, 2018 1:18 PM  

Look what is happening to Andrew Sullivan. He said Sarah Jeong’s counter-trolling excuse was bullpucky. So even though he ultimately supported her hire anyway, an effort has arisen on Twitter by the SJWs to get Andrew deported.

You can be punished for not agreeing with them sufficiently. They tolerate nothing short of total conformance.

Blogger Leandro Novaes August 04, 2018 1:32 PM  

It is called "Asymmetric War." The concept was explained by Jacques Baud in his book of the same name.

Blogger pyrrhus August 04, 2018 1:34 PM  

@37 Not clapping enthusiastically enough was a serious mistake under the Bolsheviks, and remains highly dangerous under Rocket Man in NK....

Blogger tublecane August 04, 2018 1:38 PM  

"'Slant-eyes' is a shorthand in these communities, one that's used to capture the way that many gooks still act in clueless and/or racist ways. It's typically used satirically and hyperbolically to emphasize how ching-chongs continue to benefit (even unknowingly) from their yellow skin, or point out the ways in which a power structure that favors rice-eaters continues to exist."

I don't need to play the "what if races were reversed" game. This one is so easy normies get it. But I couldn't resist.

No one buys into sham academic sociological and critical theory arguments about power structures and privilege. This is purely Who/Whom. From their perspective, we "started it" because Whitey used to be in control. We will be deemed to officially remain in control forever or until the Western Tradition is finally destroyed. (At which point these fools won't be able to enjoy their victory.)

I don't abide by that. Obviously, the white race is the only one that lacks institutional privilege and is openly discriminated against, both informally in the culture and in the legal system. Respectable Opinion both justifies this and pretends it doesn't exist.

It also brainwashes white people into valuing above almost anything else a colorblind society. But eventually they're going to Notice they're the only ones.

Blogger tublecane August 04, 2018 1:56 PM  

Bowtie Crewman J-Pod had an...interesting take on this. He says he's proud that America can welcome the Sarah (ching) Chongs of the world and help them succeed, despite her hating us for giving her the opportunity. J-Pod says he doesn't care what she thinks about America.

Which is weird, because I though Proposition Nationhood and civic nationalism requires newcomers to at least pretend to assimilate. How else carry forward the sacred Propositions? Has that been dropped?

One assumes there's still a limit for J-Pod. No doubt he'd support keeping Nazi War criminals out of the country. But what varieties of un-Americanism are acceptable, I wonder. Aloha Snackbarism? Bomb-throwing anarchism? Communism? Who knows?

Blogger FP August 04, 2018 2:07 PM  

Re: They have to go back.

Conway gets a good burn in against Bill Krystal:

https://twitter.com/nwsltrMe/status/1025457203183054849

Blogger VD August 04, 2018 2:21 PM  

Which is weird, because I though Proposition Nationhood and civic nationalism requires newcomers to at least pretend to assimilate. How else carry forward the sacred Propositions? Has that been dropped?

There is nothing weird about it. Podhoretz the Younger, like Ben Shapiro, has only one principle: is it good for (((us))). For whatever reason, they think it is good for (((them))) if Sara Leong keeps her job at the NYT.

Blogger Pierre Truc August 04, 2018 2:25 PM  

> calling the Left’s rhetoric what it is: hate propaganda.

The philosophy of the left is simply a framework that allows them to be always right and to crush their opponents no matter what. There's nothing else to it. Facts and truth are irrelevant. It is like a software algorithm that says and does whatever it takes to shut you up, no matter what it is, as long as it shuts you up.

They will call you racist or nazi because it works.

Reasoning with a leftist is a category error.

"Debating" a leftist is an oxymoron. A debate requires the cooperation of both sides, in good faith. Otherwise it is simply a fight.

Try opening the dialogue with "a good commie is a dead commie." It's FUN! And it puts you in the proper mindset, too!

Blogger English Tom August 04, 2018 2:26 PM  

@Pyrrhus

Not clapping deemed a transgression...

They've transmogrified into jazz hands now but the principle still remains!

Blogger Jack Amok August 04, 2018 2:33 PM  

It's fine to point out the enemy hates your potential allies, it's one part of motivating your side to get off it's ass and fight back. But it's even more effective to point out the enemy hates them and you're already fighting back so they have an actual group to join. "They hate you and want you dead" is potentially demoralizing. "Oh, crap, I'm doomed, better try to lay low and not get noticed."

OTOH, "They hate you and want you dead so you'd better help me do unto them first" is more likely to be energizing. "Oh, crap, I better get with the program. They have to go back!"


Immigrants don't move to the USA in order to live like White Americans

When immigrants move to a place where the streets are paved with gold, it isn't so they can walk down gold-paved streets. It's so they can pry up the bricks.

Blogger John Calla August 04, 2018 2:38 PM  

@42 Conway gets a good burn in against Bill Krystal:

Ok I think we're starting to creep into the "too much winning" category.

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing August 04, 2018 2:44 PM  

Hate is your soul's immune system.

#MakeHateGreatAgain

Blogger Robert What? August 04, 2018 3:27 PM  

@Vox now you're really messing with my head. Didn't you just say a few posts ago that White Nationalism was for losers. Now it sounds like you are saying we need to embrace it.

Blogger yoghi.llama August 04, 2018 3:38 PM  

Recently I told a Britbong I believe nothing on the BBC, except the weather, which I assume they don't get deliberately wrong, and he said that was unpatriotic!

Well, why on Earth did you think I came here to be patriotic? I'm an immigrant. I came here to create mayhem, and take whatever I can get for myself. I came here to make this place more like the place that I came from, which happens to be Rhodesia.

Now had I come from Rawalpindi, or Mogadishu, then I would be here to make it more like Rawalpindi, or Mogadishu.

Why oh why do they have such difficulty grasping this obvious reality?

Blogger Salt August 04, 2018 3:44 PM  

For whatever reason, they think it is good for (((them))) if Sara Leong keeps her job at the NYT.

They know who will be first in line, actually fall over themselves, to forgive them. Their brethren Conservatives. So why piss off the Left?

Blogger Sheila4g August 04, 2018 3:49 PM  

@17 Robert Stacey McCain: "By identifying the rhetoric of the Left as hate propaganda, as I propose, we alert people to the danger that menaces them. The rhetoric of the Left reveals the sort of policies they aim to implement, with a punitive purpose toward the groups they target by such rhetoric."

With all respect, Mr. McCain, the Left is NOT using rhetoric here. They mean what they say. When they exult in the increasing deaths and fewer births of Whites, when they claim men are intrinsically evil and need to be properly socialized to behave like women, when they tear down statues and rename roads and rewrite history books, they are not using rhetoric or "hate propaganda." They want you dead. They want your children dead. They want your history erased. And they think this is funny.

The fact that you believe they are merely employing rhetoric and that others need to be aware of the language is the problem to begin with. You do not, you CANNOT, fight ongoing population replacement or potential genocide with mere language. But within the current legal constraints, reprisals in kind - i.e. demanding the firing or de-platforming or whatever of the latest leftist offender - are a start. Attempting to scold or shame the shameless, and presuming they regard you as a fellow citizen - nay, even a fellow human being - deserving of life or liberty is a major category error.

Keep in mind at all times: They want you dead.

Blogger tz August 04, 2018 4:38 PM  

Amazing how "reason and evidence" worked in the past, e.g. in the Peloponnesian war, the various wars Israel fought in the Bible, Alexander the Great - he could bring out Aristotle, the reason and evidence WMD at the time, the English Civil war, our war of Northern Agression, the two world wars, etc.

Or perhaps Native Americans know better given Cortez, Pizzaro, or Custer.

What has changed is the brown and black tribes have weaponized "government" so instead of having a tribal war where one tribe rapes, pillages, plunders, and steals from the other, the PoC have the Blue People grab the White People's stuff and give it to them.

We have merely subsumed tribal warfare in something like the original Star Trek series "Taste of Armageddon" where two planets at war let computers calculate who dies and they just report to the disintegration chambers.

The cucks and civnats will keep apologizing and reporting to the death chambers - but it is eugenic and eucivic.

Blogger Sagramore August 04, 2018 4:39 PM  

>harassment

Some SJWs I’m suing claimed I was “criminally harassing” them when I wanted some of my property back and serving them legal papers, which hey tried ducking.

So, I made police reports on all of them for criminal extortion, and this will be brought up in the court case, regardless of how little action the police may take.

Fire with fire. No quarter with these evil people.

Blogger VD August 04, 2018 4:40 PM  

Didn't you just say a few posts ago that White Nationalism was for losers. Now it sounds like you are saying we need to embrace it.

You're not tall enough for the ride. Why on Earth would you think that a NATION is the same thing as a freaking POLITICAL PARTY?

Seriously, how difficult is it for some of you to pull your heads out of the asses of your fixed and preconceived notions? Just READ THE DAMN WORDS and stop trying to force square concepts into round preconceptions.

Blogger Gen. Kong August 04, 2018 4:43 PM  

Part of the problem is that RSM and others fail to actually comprehend the left's actual agenda and thus accuse them of "hypocrisy". They confuse actual hypocrisy (failing to live up to stated ideals) with the continual lies of the left. As the title of a popular book notes SJWs Always Lie.

The left never believed in "free speech", "equality" or any of the other bromides they like to pretend to believe in and which conservatives accept at face value. Thus any support for such stated values is only to the extent that it serves to advance their overall objective of destroying western society to impose their totalitarian vision of utopia. A shining example is the ACLU, whose purpose is ostensibly to 'defend civil liberties'. The ACLU, founded by communists in 1920, has never been about defending civil liberties but only using them as a weapon to undermine and destroy the United States legal system. It has been nothing but a lie from the beginning. It's not really hypocrisy as their prime directive has never changed.

Conservatives keep on thinking the left is simply misguided and can be argued with. They are not misguided but thoroughly evil and need to be fought relentlessly. Put another way, conservatives keep on showing up with bowties and maybe a copy of muh constitution when the left shows up with knives and guns. As tinseltown's famous Dr. Phil likes to say: How's that workin' for ya?

Blogger tz August 04, 2018 4:51 PM  

I also point this out on the pro-life side. While we are trying to use reason and evidence and science to stop Aborion, they just go on killing babies and selling their parts.

I doubt that there has been any group of people who have never had an evil member, and beyond a certain line the good people MUST use violence to stop the evil as nothing else will work. This is why we have rights with due process, etc. to insure we are doing justice, not vengance or simple wrath and hate or fear.

It must be done carefully and prudently - and that is the error of anti-Pope Francis the Mule in condemning Capital Punishment in every instance. It IS licit, and the only arguments against it are prudental (e.g. the justice system is broken).

Blogger tz August 04, 2018 4:53 PM  

The Nazis didn't use poison gas (and could have developed horrible WMDs against London) because we had them too and could retaliate in kind.

The cucks that have armed security (e.g. Beck) I would like to ask isn't shooting someone who is shooting at you or your family (e.g. throwing acid) "descening to their level"?

Sue for truce only after they demand it because their earth is scorched (see Gen. Sherman) and they are ready for unconditional surrender.

Blogger English Tom August 04, 2018 5:17 PM  

@The deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey

They tolerate nothing short of total conformance.

The Pol Pot mentality on full display

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 04, 2018 5:21 PM  

Dialog with the left has mainly entrenched them as dominating the moral level of conflict.

I'm waiting for 1st generation conservative warriors to morph into 4th generation freedom fighters fighting for liberation from the left .

Blogger English Tom August 04, 2018 5:23 PM  

@Sheila4g

Keep in mind at all times they want you dead.

A very good admonition to teach to our children.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 04, 2018 5:27 PM  

Even Karl Denninger is realizing the need for liberation and he has the usual outsized opinion of his ability to out reason the left into dialog

Blogger DonReynolds August 04, 2018 5:57 PM  

tz wrote:The Nazis didn't use poison gas (and could have developed horrible WMDs against London) because we had them too and could retaliate in kind.

One of my favorite books on WWII (The Last 100 Days) includes such an incident. Apparently, the American army STORED poison gas rather close to the front lines (just in case). There was an occasion when German artillery hit the stored poison gas and released a huge cloud. The American army commander quickly radioed the German army and reported the problem, told them to evacuate the path of the poison gas, and assured them it was not intentional and would take no action until they could return to their defensive positions. The German army withdrew until the poison gas had drifted away and returned to their positions...then the war resumed as before.

The incident itself was not particularly interesting. The level of cooperation and trust is hopeful. The important thing to take away from the incident was the fact that Americans had poison gas near the front lines, literally at their fingertips, during the invasion of Europe.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 04, 2018 6:01 PM  

Robert What? wrote:@Vox now you're really messing with my head. Didn't you just say a few posts ago that White Nationalism was for losers. Now it sounds like you are saying we need to embrace it.

Nationalism for Whites doesn't mean one nation, but several. However - the wogs may begin at Calaise, but a Brit should certainly stand with a Frog against the fuzzywuzzys or the mohammedans.

Blogger Crew August 04, 2018 6:09 PM  

Rich Lowry thinks that Sarah Jeong should not be fired even though she is clearly anti-white.

Every time!

Blogger Crew August 04, 2018 6:10 PM  

That comment came from CNN, so I guess we can expect that sort of result.

Blogger Haxo Angmark August 04, 2018 6:12 PM  

@66

the more anti-White the Jew MSM becomes...

the better it is for those of us on the hardRight:

because polarization is our friend. As to Conservatism Inc.,

it is terminally Jew'd.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 August 04, 2018 6:13 PM  

What drives these people is a genocidal hatred of white people.

I don't understand the mindset of white Leftists. Do they think identifying as trannies will save them?

Blogger Jack Amok August 04, 2018 6:50 PM  

Immigrants don't move to the USA in order to live like White Americans

Nonsense. Most do. Many try. Some succeed. Few are globalists until...


Unknown, do you believe they have to go back anyway? Or do you think this is reason to let them stay?

Blogger Unknown August 04, 2018 7:59 PM  

Multiracial unity? Ever hear of how in the cafeteria it's foynd that people actually students actually sort themselves out based on race? I can say this too from first hand experience from pretty much all levels of schooling. If the lefty BLMs valued leftism more than being African, they wouldn't be attacking everybody else. My grandfather was told whites aren't allowed in this neighborhood by Mexicans, and guess ? They didn't card him first to see who he voted for, they didn't want him there because of his being ethnically European.

Blogger VD August 04, 2018 8:13 PM  

Stop lying, Unknown. Pull that bullshit again and I will ban you. It is not "nonsense" but an absolute matter of fact that immigrants do NOT move to America in order to live like Americans do. They do not adopt American food, religion, traditions, politics, or even increasingly language except over time. And they work very hard to prevent their children from "forgetting their ways".

Unlike you, I am very familiar with immigrant communities everywhere from Japan to Italy. In precisely NONE of them is there any intention to live like the locals do. To the extent that they do so, it is an accomodation, not an objective.

You don't have to agree with me to comment here, but you do have to avoid denying matters of readily observable fact.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion August 04, 2018 9:01 PM  

PS:"Gook" literally means 'country' in Korean.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion August 04, 2018 9:13 PM  

Vox, "JUST READ THE DAMN WORDS" would be a T-shirt I'd be proud to wear.

White letters on a black shirt.

Blogger James Dixon August 04, 2018 9:56 PM  

> Nevertheless, politics is a war of ideas, and ideas must be communicated as rhetoric.

The problem, Mr. Stacy, is that the term "hate propaganda" sucks as rhetoric.

> Force the Left to defend themselves against the charge that they are fomenting hate -- against white people, against males, against Christians, etc.

They won't defend against it. They cheerfully admit it. They don't care. Read the defenses of Ms. Jeong.

> Didn't you just say a few posts ago that White Nationalism was for losers. Now it sounds like you are saying we need to embrace it.

White identity politics is not the same thing as white nationalism.

Blogger James Dixon August 04, 2018 9:57 PM  

Sigh, can't even spell his middle name right when I meant to use his last name. It's just not my week.

Blogger Phelps August 04, 2018 11:46 PM  

“White people” is a shorthand in these communities, one that’s used to capture the way that many whites still act in clueless and/or racist ways.

(((Jewish People))) is just a shorthand in these communities, one that's used to capture the way that many Jews still act in clueless and/or tribal ways.

Blogger Glaivester August 05, 2018 4:02 AM  

That actually made me laugh out loud. I like Robert Stacey McCain, his intentions are undoubtedly pure, but like most conservatives, he simply has no clue that there isn't a silent majority that is going to gravitate to whichever side can present itself as the least hateful. Calling the Left's rhetoric "hate propaganda" is going to be even less effective than "Dems R the Real Racists" was.

I think the difference between what RSM is advocating and DR^3 is that DR^3 is accusing Democrats of not truly being pro-black, where RSM is advocating accusing them of being anti-white.

I also think the goal here is not to shame them or discredit them for hypocrisy, but to alert their targets to the fact that they are hated - i.e., RSM is not expecting the NYT to change its mind, he is hoping to brand them as hateful against white people to encourage more white people to recognize it as such....

Having said that, "hate propaganda" is too generic a term - it ought to be called "anti-white propaganda," or "anti-white hate" or something else indicating whom specifically the targets are.

Blogger The Kurgan August 05, 2018 4:11 AM  

I’m of the growing opinion that even then, there should be no mercy.
I am only a recent convert to Christianity after all, and there is something to be said for my ancestor’s approach:
SJW delenda est

Blogger Glaivester August 05, 2018 4:16 AM  

There is nothing weird about it. Podhoretz the Younger, like Ben Shapiro, has only one principle: is it good for (((us))).

I would argue that there is a second principle - is it bad for )))them(((, them being whatever group JPod and Shapiro consider to be an historical enemy.

I think there are a number of neocons (and probably other groups in the Jewish community) who would be willing to sacrifice practical present Jewish interests in the name of revenge for past wrongs.

Blogger James Dixon August 05, 2018 9:34 AM  

> he is hoping to brand them as hateful against white people to encourage more white people to recognize it as such....

That still requires effective rhetoric, which "hate propaganda" isn't.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 05, 2018 10:07 AM  

It's looking like "They want you dead" is rhetorical enough. But it raises questions. An aware person will see that and think "who wants me dead?". Then it becomes variable. Did he hear about Chingchong's tweets? Or maybe he'll think "Yeah the Horde wants me dead I should level up".
When it comes to application of rhetoric I'm haunted by that old Far Side comic showing one person looking at a glass and saying it is half empty, another saying it's half full, and a third saying "Hey I wanted a cheeseburger!".
Goes to show that we stupidly looked out for "nazis" burning books while the leftists took over the education system and made entire generations unwilling if not unable to read them and think about them and they didn't light one match. Next republic after the war better have a separation between school and state clause. Lack of it on this first iteration turned out to be a screen door on a submarine.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 05, 2018 7:53 PM  

@37 The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey

an effort has arisen on Twitter by the SJWs to get Andrew deported.
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I like this precedence.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 05, 2018 8:10 PM  

@78 The Kurgan
I’m of the growing opinion that even then, there should be no mercy.
I am only a recent convert to Christianity after all, and there is something to be said for my ancestor’s approach:
SJW delenda est
---

Give them the old classic "Say your prayers" before taking care of them.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 05, 2018 8:11 PM  

@80 James Dixon

That still requires effective rhetoric, which "hate propaganda" isn't.
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Maybe he should try "Invader propaganda" ?

Blogger Unknown August 05, 2018 10:25 PM  

@VD.

Thanks for the reminder. 'Nonsense' was a bad choice of word. Still learning trigger management.

To clarify: my argument was about why immigrants come to America and the seductive liberal poison they get fed once they get here that promotes dis-integration, although I'm not as comfortable as you are in describing group observations as "abolute fact"

It's certainly possible that outside observations of immigrant communities can yield a little truth about anti-American motives, but how to separate these from the lies they've been fed both before and after coming? Immigrants are vulnerable and highly susceptible to manipulation.

It's fallacious to make blanket statements about immigrant motives based on the behavior of immigrant communities. One of the few things all immigrant communities have in common is a failure to integrate properly with the host culture. The people might look/sound/smell/eat the same way from an outsiders perspective but they may not necessarily share anything else with each other, such as politics and moral values. It might be possible to generalize about their motives for coming if you've worked closely with a sufficiently large sample of them, but you'd need a lot of trust to get to the truth. Immigrant communities are not generally formed on the basis of truth. You need to be able to relate to immigrants to understand why they came.

The truth is that most immigrants come to America intending to become American. Americans can and probably will debate forever what that means, but the basic drivers are pursuit of a freer and better life. That's not always how it turns out, especially now that they've been spoiled by alternative action. If racial politics becomes a serious threat, immigrant communities will become more entrenched and repulsive by necessity.

Whites on both sides are using these communities as pawns in a much larger political game. They may take a bullet defending their families and property from a racist mob nut they don't have the power to fight against organized expulsion. The political issue is not their fight and it certainly won't stop when they're gone.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 06, 2018 2:39 AM  

Unknown said:
It's fallacious to make blanket statements about immigrant motives based on the behavior of immigrant communities.

You have to go back.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 06, 2018 11:05 AM  

The Kurgan wrote:I’m of the growing opinion that even then, there should be no mercy.

I am only a recent convert to Christianity after all, and there is something to be said for my ancestor’s approach:

SJW delenda est


Sometimes, ``love your enemies'' means praying over their corpses.

Blogger Unknown August 06, 2018 4:54 PM  

Where? To Iowa?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 06, 2018 6:08 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:
You have to go back.


We could always love our enemy.

Blogger Unknown August 07, 2018 12:55 AM  

We could always love our enemy

With strap-ons, maybe. Clowns.

Blogger VD August 07, 2018 7:47 AM  

It's certainly possible that outside observations of immigrant communities can yield a little truth about anti-American motives, but how to separate these from the lies they've been fed both before and after coming? Immigrants are vulnerable and highly susceptible to manipulation.

They're not outside observations. You quite clearly don't even understand that I'm not only talking about immigrant communities inside the USA.

It's fallacious to make blanket statements about immigrant motives based on the behavior of immigrant communities.... The truth is that most immigrants come to America intending to become American.

You are logically inept. And no, most immigrants do not intend to become Americans, at least not at the expense of unbecoming what they already are. At most they believe, wrongly, that they can be both Americans and Sri Lankans or whatever simultaneously. And they can't.

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