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Wednesday, August 01, 2018

Mailvox: is Azeroth converging?

A WoW player has concerns about the possible convergence of Azeroth.
I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the latest plot twist Blizzard just served us as a prelude to Battle for Azeroth.

I assume you know what I am talking about but just in case:

After launching the War of the Thorns to fight the Alliance for Azerite, Sylvanas burns Teldrassil under dubious pretenses, falling into Garrosh territory and pretty much ruining the night elves faction and the Horde lore at once. 

So my question is very simple, should we consider that SJW convergence is finally catching up with Blizzard and is now going to proceed with ruining the game for long time fans, bit after bit? The accusation has a pretty strong case here with the night elves' home being destroyed and the Horde reduced to a bunch of brainless brutes blindly following an unhinged zombie after 15 years of effort to build a lore for it that would not reduce it to the evil faction trap.

I am reluctant to abandon that particular ship, but if the cancer is spreading I might have to be prepared to. Or perhaps I am wrong and Blizzard is going to serve us an amazing plotline throughout the extension, but that is not what my gut feeling says.
No, given what we've seen in Overwatch, I think it is safe to say that the cancer affecting Blizzard has finally spread to World of Warcraft. It's too soon to be certain, but there is an all-too-familiar stink of convergence in the air.

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63 Comments:

Blogger Nate August 01, 2018 4:15 PM  

People still play WoW?

Blogger JohnofAustria August 01, 2018 4:17 PM  

There's no way someone in that company hasn't been pushing for a long time to bring some sort of globo-homo message out as the overarching plot. It may come out now or a year later, but as long as WoW exists and they continue to infiltrate, it will come.

Blogger Servant August 01, 2018 4:19 PM  

Sylvanas being batshit crazy is pretty well established no? Horde following her into doing really twisted stuff has happened multiple times. Could see this coming for a while since they named sylvanas after killing off the other guy who I didn't really play under. The troll.

You are who leads you. The story is still honest. I think the game has suffered and it truly doesn't hold my attention as it has in the past.

Blizzard converged? Yes. Game suffering since the absence of its creator? Yes. Bad story because the horde goes dark side after accepting sylvanas windrunner as their leader? I don't see it

Blogger Cloudbuster August 01, 2018 4:25 PM  

OT: Lefty technology promotes controlled opposition:

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Blogger Spud August 01, 2018 4:30 PM  

I fail to see the convergence in this example. If Sylvanas gets into a lesbian relationship with Jaina then all doubt would fade. Maybe I'm missing something. I'm very certain that we will see heavy SJW infiltration into the story line of WoW at some point in the near future, but I don't think this is it.

Blogger Meistergedanken August 01, 2018 4:35 PM  

I stopped playing WoW two years ago, but I knew the first comment was going to be some self-important, conceited, pompous, supercilious snob haughtily sniffing, "pish, people still play Wow?" So predictable. LOL.

Blogger Steve August 01, 2018 4:45 PM  

I stopped playing WoW two years ago

Puberty finally started?

Blogger Bobiojimbo August 01, 2018 4:47 PM  

@1 Yes, people still play WoW. WoW continues to be the standard by which all other MMORPGs are judged. It will be massive undertaking to usurp it's crown.

Blogger Ron August 01, 2018 4:48 PM  

there is an all-too-familiar stink of convergence in the air.

I smell... Heresy

Blogger WillBest August 01, 2018 4:51 PM  

If the Undead have been kicked off the EK and the Night Elves off Kalimdor leaving each faction on their own island/continent does that mean they removed all the pvp battlegrounds that take place on those islands/continents?





Blogger Brian S August 01, 2018 5:06 PM  

Sorta off topic, but I was saddened to see a John Scalzi quote fill the screen in "No Man's Sky"

Blogger FP August 01, 2018 5:12 PM  

One, WoW has a story and lore? It ceased making any sense since Warlords' alternative universe time travel expansion. It made the appeal to China expansion, Pandaland look quaint.

"If Sylvanas gets into a lesbian relationship with Jaina then all doubt would fade."

Entirely possible. The main theory for a year has been she goes demon and maybe sides with the horde or legion. Gotta kill off the last of the original good guys.

Blizzard is just pushing the factions again, with a bunch of Horde vs Alliance ads out now trying to sell the xpac. On the upside of the night elves losing their tree island, the alliance moves to retake Lorderon and drive out the undead finally.

Blogger Salt August 01, 2018 5:15 PM  

Is Alterac Valley still a thing?

Blogger JRR August 01, 2018 5:29 PM  

WoW hasn't been worth playing since at LEAST the Cataclysm expansion.

Blogger WillBest August 01, 2018 5:33 PM  

"Gotta kill off the last of the original good guys."

They been keeping Thrall around in a break glass sort of emergency. From reading the blurbs Jaina has gone full warrior witch in response to Sylvanas. So perhaps it goes I hate you/I love you, but I doubt it. It does seem like Jaina is going to be leading the Alliance by the end of it. So chick leader v. chick leader, which is pretty converged. Seems idiotic for the Horde to follow Sylvanas in the first place though, since none of the other factions trust the undead. But it was her turn or whatever.

Blogger endwatcher August 01, 2018 5:39 PM  

Horde is evil, so an evil leader isn't exactly news. They invaded Azeroth and committed untold war crimes. Being under demonic possession at the time was their fault. Any action by the Alliance against them is permitted because it is their homeworld. Don't play the troll, tuaren etc card, the main faction of the horde is and always will be orc.

And yes Blizzard is pozzed.

Blogger GK Chesterton August 01, 2018 5:49 PM  

Overwatch the game is fun. Overwatch the new fiction is converged. Which of course means the game will start sucking over time.

Blogger My Dead Gramps August 01, 2018 5:52 PM  

Blizz is well and truly converged, but I don't see how that directly relates to the Horde doing what the Horde does best; it actually looks like this time the Alliance is going to punch back hard for once. Undercity is an abomination that needs to be purged.

Blogger Stephen Davenport August 01, 2018 6:04 PM  

I am not sure where the convergence is coming from, Lady Sylvanas is evil. I have played the setup quests for the new expansion and I like them, Sylvanas was brutal, I will say that. Blizzard in itself maybe converge but I do not think the game is though. IMO. I have playing WoW for 12 years now

Blogger I DontTroll August 01, 2018 6:22 PM  

NPCs acting like greens brow-beating about the environment, plus sized pandas that act like entitled feminists, snooping people's offline social media accounts, atrocious and patronizing customer service, it all adds up over time. I am sure there is plenty that I missed.

I was really looking forward to playing WoW Classic when it was released, but I just don't want to give them my money anymore for the other crap.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 01, 2018 6:37 PM  

Sad. I LOVED Warcraft. When they took away everything pre-Lich King and cracked down on the independent Nostalrius server, forcefeeding us that crappy panda expansion and whatnot...I knew it was converging, and I lost interest. Plus, everyone in WoW is a dick.

I think I blogged about it at some point.

Blogger Spud August 01, 2018 6:38 PM  

plus sized pandas that act like entitled feminists

That was actually pretty funny

Blogger Ingot9455 August 01, 2018 6:44 PM  

It's all worth it for the 'Recruit the Taunka to the Horde' mission. You can quit playing after that.

Blogger Anno Ruse August 01, 2018 6:58 PM  

Is Blizzard converged? They just hired a new writer for Overwatch. Alyssa Wong, who's published at Tor.com and shows up on all the usual awards lists. You can't escape these people!

I'd enjoy a DevGame post on Blizzard's love affair with crowd control abilities. I'm sure there are game mechanics less fun than completely losing control of your character, but I can't think of one.

Blogger ZhukovG August 01, 2018 7:31 PM  

My impression is that the writers are converged.

Horde = Deplorable, Nationalist, Right Wing, Trump Supporters

Alliance = Decent folk who fight for Social Justice.

So the horde is written as 'Literally Hitler' and the Alliance is just boring as hell.

Blogger Stephen August 01, 2018 7:32 PM  

I thought everyone had concluded Blizzard was converged a long time ago.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( don't ask, "Who mentats the Mentats?", ask instead, "Who shitpoasts the Shitpoasters?" ) August 01, 2018 7:33 PM  

4. Cloudbuster August 01, 2018 4:25 PM
OT: Lefty technology promotes controlled opposition:


hunh. imagine that.

Amazon confirms Ben Shapiro as a Hollywood pedophile.

Blogger Teleros August 01, 2018 7:37 PM  

Servant wrote:Sylvanas being batshit crazy is pretty well established no?

This. Sylvanas has always been WoW's femHitler, with her loyal legion of "did nothing wrong" creepy necro fanboys.

Servant wrote:You are who leads you.

This was never the case in WoW. Storyline stuff is / was always railroaded in WoW.

endwatcher wrote:Horde is evil, so an evil leader isn't exactly news.

Alliance = Europe. Horde = Rapefugees:

1. Warcraft 1 sees the orcs ruin their homeworld through being blind to demonic interference, so they have to flee. Only by "flee" I mean "invade and conquer an innocent nation".
2. Warcraft 2 sees the orcs, now lead by someone who has an inkling of the demonic interference, try and murder their way across the other innocent nations, who are forced to band together as the Alliance to survive. The orcs meanwhile recruit money-grubbing (((goblin))) mercenaries and cannibal trolls who are pissed the Alliance races destroyed their empire & drove them out years before. The Alliance narrowly wins & proceeds to cut off the orc homeworld to stop reinforcements + demonic magic, and very emphatically do not genocide the orcs, instead putting them in camps at heavy (ie, unrest-causing) taxpayer expense.
3. Warcraft 3 sees the orcs try to flee to a new homeland. Under human-trained Thrall, they keep their violence to a minimum vs the Alliance, and ally together to defeat the demons. When an Alliance nation decides to try and solo the new orc homeland, the Alliance as a whole lets the Horde destroy their invasion force & kill their king in order to keep the fragile peace.
4. WoW basically starts with a cold war in place, with minor groups from both sides squabbling over bits and pieces (see: Battlegrounds), kind of like USA/Soviet proxy wars. Whilst Sylvanas prepares for genocide.
5. More cold war in TBC.
6. War breaks out in WotLK when rogue Forsaken gas the combined Alliance/Horde army. Alliance capture Undercity, but Jaina tries for peace so teleports them out. A Horde army ambushes an Alliance army fighting the undead, resulting in an undead victory.
7. The Cataclysm happens. The war heats up. Alliance forces leave an opening for Tauren civilians to escape a besieged town, whilst Garrosh prefers killing civilians. Sylvanas gases more civilians and invades a neutral nation for ~reasons~.
8. Pandas. Alliance put neutral civilians to work to establish a base, Horde prefer to capture their children and such. Garrosh continues acting like Hitler, but is defeated and put on trial by both sides for war crimes. A treaty is made which should put an end to most of the territorial disputes.
9. Warlords of Draenor, in which we learn that the orcs were never a peaceful race before the demons came but in fact the Mongols on 'roids, and easily persuaded to go invade Azeroth for the lulz.
10. Legion, in which the 2nd nice Horde leader dies and Sylvanas takes over. Alliance forces disobey orders to attack her, but all they really do is foil her plan to enslave the valkyries.
11. Battle for Azeroth, in which Sylvanas decides on pre-emptive war to control the world's supply of plutonium - I mean Azerite - and starts this by firebombing Teldrassil without even the pretence of asking for a surrender. Later irradiates / gases her own troops to deny the Alliance control over her undead capital.

BTW, if you read those lore books Blizzard sell, the official list of raids by faction hands all the big anti-both-faction ones to the Alliance or to a combined force: Temple of Ahn'Qirah, Naxxramas & Sunwell Plateau in particular are Alliance wins.

Blogger ZW August 01, 2018 7:39 PM  

A bit of background on Blizzard and WoW lore:

Warcraft lore has always been, even at its very best, a mixed bag. Keep in mind that Blizzard since the start had a single lore guy for all of its franchises, name of Chris Metzen. Metzen was always a much better world-builder than he was a storyteller, and this showed in all of Blizzard's titles. Also two of Blizzard's major franchises, Warcraft and Starcraft, are more or less--ahem--heavily influenced by Games Workshop's Warhammer and Warhammer 40K, respectively.

Chris Metzen was a tremendously energetic creator during his years at Blizzard, but something happened during the creation of the game which eventually became Overwatch. That game was originally intended to be a MMORPG (Titan by codename), and Blizzard decided after years of development that it would not work as such. Instead, they took some of the assets and ideas (and maybe the engine, I don't know) and repackaged them into the much smaller game of Overwatch. Metzen was a key player in the development of the failed MMO Titan and of Overwatch, and he professed great relief in the eventual success of Overwatch.

Subsequently, he left the company on very good terms (they put a statue of him outside the building), but it is clear that he suffered a nervous breakdown during the development of Titan/Overwatch. They have since brought in a woman, Christie Golden, who used to write WoW novels, to be in charge of the WoW lore.

Blogger VD August 01, 2018 7:43 PM  

I'd enjoy a DevGame post on Blizzard's love affair with crowd control abilities.

Are you talking about magic spells like panic or what? Can you be more specific?

Blogger VD August 01, 2018 7:47 PM  

Very useful, Teleros. I posted your summary on DevGame.

Blogger Lew Rand August 01, 2018 7:53 PM  

Throw in two comments, one stolen.

First, I think this is yet another attempt to balance the factions. More people just end up playing horde as for the most part in WoW they are the redeemed faction as opposed to the righteous faction. Pretty sure due to racial abilities (minor talents that sometimes have major effects on gameplay) the Horde have a sizable population lead. So lets make em real evil and see what happens.

The stolen comment (paraphrased) was: Great now we have a war lead by two girls that have daddy issues. (And they didn't mean Jaina. Anduin the boy king is about as emo as it comes)

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 01, 2018 7:54 PM  

I stopped playing WoW in 2007. What's going on?

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 01, 2018 8:02 PM  

So Christie Golden is in charge of WoW lore, eh?

I recall three of the worst Ravenloft novels from the 1990s were written by her.
Not that the Ravenloft novels were that great to begin with. But the three titles she did are the three that stuck out in my mind for "WTF". She didn't even get a handle on what "lawful good" was.

Good thing I stopped playing WoW.... 11 years ago. :-P

Blogger Bob August 01, 2018 8:04 PM  

@7 Steve:

I've played WoW since it's inception, have the ten-year Anniversary statue sent as a gift and am still playing.

I'm not worried about puberty setting in, I'm 79 years old.

I'm not at all certain I will continue the game since I discovered my characters can no longer fly in the recent add-on.... after all the time and coin spent to train them. As an unintended consequence of that really dumb move, I'm pretty certain I (and others) won't be purchasing the latest "Battle for Azeroth".

I am told Blizzard decided to require new chores and quests to keep flying in the last add-on because they decided too many players were just flying over a lot of the challenges.

Arbitrarily grounding all my characters that I've spent a decade developing just rubs me the wrong way.

Having to dance through some ludicrous WoW hoops to regain flying status REALLY rubs me the wrong way.

There's still plenty of worlds to wander around in and plenty of characters to create and play with, so unless Blizzard really gets stupid with their jacking us all around, I may just hang around for awhile longer. But changing the rules in the middle of the game is - for me- a non starter, and just may be the shove that sends me out the door.

Blogger My Dead Gramps August 01, 2018 8:29 PM  

@ Lew Rand

My post on the wow forums was deleted for suggesting the Horde was now led by someone with the mentality of a high school shooter.

"I'll show those popular ki-I mean the living!"

Blogger Rhys August 01, 2018 8:56 PM  

It's pretty obvious if you know anything about SJW's and their interests how converged it is, and will continue to be. I stopped playing after Cataclysm was over, because it was objectively a different game even when Cataclysm began, but you can tell the entire time they were beating the "Garrosh is super powerful and super evil!" shtick, it was probably still somewhat in control of the original writers. Like with George Lucas, most the really, really stupid shit you see in a franchise is the result of the creator spending too much time "evolving" the story, until it becomes ludicrous. The SJW's on the other hand have a very predictable formula: take everything the original creator spent time establishing as good and evil, and reverse it.

Obvious, I don't need to point out this is what happened with Star Wars. The same is happening with current WoW. The light (obvious holdover from Christianity) is now "oppressing" people and now about "muh slavery". The original horde is being placed on the backburner to put elves and undead in the spotlight. This is also telling because, when you look at SJW's true interests, they aren't actually interested in PoC culture like they say, instead, they are infatuated with modernist "I'm-so-much-smarter-and-better-than-everyone" cultures, like being Queer™.

To me, the current changes make it obvious the original writers are completely out the door now. They've been on their way out for a while, but they are now completely gone, and it's going to go downhill even faster than it already was.

Blogger Solon August 01, 2018 9:07 PM  

Sounds like you never played the game, so I could explain:

Every class has abilities they can use that "lock-down" their opponent for differing amounts of time. Example: mages can polymorph their foe into a sheep. Against NPCs it lasts for a minute, against players it lasts for ten seconds.

If you recast it against a player it would then last for five seconds, then three seconds. They sort of gain resistance to it.

Anyway, PvP comes down to "lock one or two of your opponents down by polymorphing them, or casting fear, or stunning, or what have you, then blow up their teammate with outrageous damage while their helpless teammates can do nothing but watch, cry, and make soft baaaa-ing sounds."

Meantime, your side is trying to do the exact same thing, to them.

Yes, there are means to break out of it early (a teammate can dispel it, potentially, or you can hide behind something so the spell fails), but getting hit with a full length polymorph when your breaks are on cool down pretty much means you lose.

For the record, your breaks have a one minute cooldown. Polymorph and most other crowdcontrols have zero cooldown (they can be spammed).

As the original guy said, blizzard LOVES them some crowdcontrol abilities. They seem to think that makes PvP "strategic" and "interesting." It's not. With the fast pace of combat, it's sort of a crap shoot which team gets their CC off first and then vaporizes one of the other guys. These abilities are specifically why I could never get into WoW PvP.

Blogger Alexandros August 01, 2018 9:11 PM  

It's been converged since at least lich King, assuming it wasn't already converged from the beginning.

Blogger VD August 01, 2018 9:22 PM  

Sounds like you never played the game, so I could explain:

Fucking gammas. Every single time....

Blogger nswhorse August 01, 2018 9:24 PM  

Hasn't Blizzard been converged for years?

Blogger My Dead Gramps August 01, 2018 9:31 PM  

Crowd control has always been a stopgap for a game that was fundamentally designed to be your holy trinity (Tanky Heal Damage) PvE RPG experience (which blizzard obviously succeeded in, at least initially); Player vs Player doesn't work where the base game has the tank 'tank' by yelling obscenities at a scripted boss fight while the healer plays whackamole with health bars.

They're heading in the right direction with pvp talents, but the've got a long way to go before making the rpg experience work in the same way MOBAs do.

Blogger cyrus83 August 01, 2018 9:50 PM  

Been playing for 13 years, the general consensus in my guild, which I share, is that Legion is Blizzard's best effort since at least Wrath of the Lich King 8 years prior. I have no doubt Blizzard has lots of SJWs in it doing their best to produce a flat out converged SJWCraft, but so far the bigger SJW annoyance has been with the people who play the game, not the lore.

The opening of Battle for Azeroth doesn't strike me as evidence for convergence in and of itself. Having Sylvanas embrace her inner evil and bring the Horde along with her for the ride is a nice change of pace from the "we're all good guys" balance Blizzard has been trying to take the last couple xpacs between the factions. The "save the planet" theme of this xpac is much more likely to be full of SJW poison than anything being seen so far from the major NPCs.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 01, 2018 10:10 PM  

Overwatch was kind of depressing.

Right before they launched it felt like they were giving the SJWs a smack for screaming about Tracer's ass.

Then they captured Tracer.

It won't be long before Winston is banging Mei, I know it.

Blogger maniacprovost August 01, 2018 10:32 PM  

gammas. Every single time....

Come on, that was funny.

To be fair, have any of the dread ilk played WoW?

It's not like this is a gamer related blog or something like that.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 01, 2018 10:44 PM  

I don't know if I should praise the lack of guild dramas in my life anymore, or mourn it. It could interesting, when it wasn't getting totally out-of-hand. I don't miss the wife aggro, however!

Blogger Mandos August 01, 2018 10:52 PM  

Thanks for weighing in, Vox. Despite a few hiccups I think the game was actually doing pretty well until now. We never expected Metzen to be Tolkien, let alone anyone else in the writing team once he was gone, but so far the balance was decent. Indeed Legion was by far their best production since WotLK at least. I actually was looking forward to a return to basics and more Alliance/Horde conflict after two expansions spent teaming up out of necessity.

But the way they did it here shows a serious lack of mastery and raises some red flags. I actually don't remember having seen Blizzard butchered like that by the WoW community for a storyline matter. The way the complex background that had been built for the Horde and the Night Elf faction are being destroyed in one move reeks of SJW laziness, if not a conscious decision to irate the fanbase Star Wars style. There is no denying Blizzard is already converged to some degree, it is inevitable in their position and showed in the story already. But until now it was still mild. The next steps are going to be interesting.

Blogger Thomas Patecky August 01, 2018 11:12 PM  

Fuck that game, I wasted a good chunk of my 20s staring at the backside of a purple elf woman because of it.

Blogger Austin Ballast August 02, 2018 12:14 AM  

I am pretty sure more people play WoW, even now, than play Destiny. Activision is working on killing that off too. The price to continue in a month is quite high compared to the content released each time since Destiny 2.

Blogger Austin Ballast August 02, 2018 12:26 AM  

That comment was for Nate dissing WoW.

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 02, 2018 12:46 AM  

The convergence is that it focuses on Sylvanas and Jaina, neither of which are interesting characters. Oh yeah, and Azeroth is an almighty woman.

They've also ran out of villains. The last great one was the Lich King, and the last great xpac was Wrath of The Lich King. The Chaos Lords may become interesting, but they've only been hinted at. They should have been the point of the expansion, not yet more Horde and Alliance wars. They will eventually show up, but will there be many people left to care?

Blogger Servant August 02, 2018 2:46 AM  

Eh I think they are still working off metzens notes. Also I don't see how the elder god guys aren't the next big thing. I was thinking they took over the spirit mumbo jumbo and caused sylvanas to be placed in charge.

Jaina's peace mongering has always been annoying and why sylvanas is still a problem. Narratively it is proper to have her deal with the problem she causedby not doingthe needful thing after sylvanas plan to kill everyone so the lich king couldn't have them. It's especially dramatic because she's also batshit insane, so two lunatic women with too much power fighting will wreak destruction on entire nations. This all seems rather honest, and SJW writing is not honest.

Azeroth being a female isn't that far fetched. I can't think of a single mythos where the earth is male tbh.

Blogger qualitycontrol August 02, 2018 3:51 AM  

On every objective measure that's relevant for an MMO, Blizzard improved WoW slow and steady. Server performance is better, the class balance and the gameplay is better, leveling up is significantly less painful and the raid design is less of a gearcheak/random. I guess they screwed up the lore back in 2010 when the warcraft nostalgia factor died.

@52. Servant
That's pretty much what I'm thinking. It all depends on their writing.. and if they screw up, I'll simply do what I did since I killed Arthas for the first time. Skip every cut-scene and never read a quest text. That being said, Blizzards writing has always been somewhat ahead of the curve when it comes to strong women.

Blogger Archella August 02, 2018 4:23 AM  

about as many people as still support ted cruz.

Nate August 01, 2018 4:15 PM
People still play WoW?


Blogger Teleros August 02, 2018 5:37 AM  

Joseph Maroney wrote:They've also ran out of villains. The last great one was the Lich King, and the last great xpac was Wrath of The Lich King. The Chaos Lords may become interesting, but they've only been hinted at. They should have been the point of the expansion, not yet more Horde and Alliance wars. They will eventually show up, but will there be many people left to care?

Vanilla WoW climaxed with the death of one of the Lich King's minion's being the final boss, but prior to that had more or less never-before-seen villains to kill in raids etc. TBC upped it by basically having you systematically conquer Outland by beating Illidan's lieutenants, and then Illidan, and ended with an attempted demonic invasion foiled by the setting's oldest demonic villain (and redeem the Blood Elves in the process). WotLK saw us then defeat the Lich King at long last, but at that point... well frankly Blizzard ran out of established villains for us to defeat. I mean they had Deathwing, but he only counted if you'd read the books and knew he was anything other than "flying Horde hero unit from Warcraft 2, ie the counterpart to a dwarf on a gryphon". Queen Azshara was out there too, but as little more than a name at this stage. Oh and the demons, but you'd just beaten them in TBC, so a break was probably needed there.

Looking back, I think they either needed to slow down the rate at which they killed off established villains, or they should've spent more time building others up. A Warcraft 4 RTS would probably have helped here, but failing that, quest lines and dungeons hinting at other forces at work and building up over multiple big patches and expansions would have been good.

Instead, WoW basically lurches from one big issue to the next. You get a brief bit of down time between expansions, and then the next big drama comes along like clockwork, with little buildup.

Blogger Student in Blue August 02, 2018 8:04 AM  

The signs were showing for the latest expac to basically explode in convergence when they were making a big deal about "body positivity" character models. You know, fat people.

Blogger Nate August 02, 2018 8:26 AM  

'So predictable. LOL.'

and yet it still chaffed your pasty fat ass.

Blogger Warunicorn August 02, 2018 11:02 AM  

VD wrote:Sounds like you never played the game, so I could explain:

Fucking gammas. Every single time....


As a healer, it was a nightmare. I don't miss WoW for the world.

One of my biggest complaints is how even if you paid for the privilege of flying, you can't do it with the latest expansion's new zones without going through a "pathfinder" achievement. And even then, after completing the achievement, you had to wait for Blizzard to unlock it when they felt like it, usually until towards the end of the expansion. Because they want you to experience the expansion or some sh*t.

F*ck that. Sometimes, I just wanted to unwind and fly across the zone, maybe do some resource gathering. I couldn't even do that. :P

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 02, 2018 2:02 PM  

"Azeroth being a female isn't that far fetched. I can't think of a single mythos where the earth is male tbh."

The earth is female in myths because it is a mother. In WoW, she's a baby and the earth is like a cocoon. The greatest titan warriors were males. True to SJW form, here comes a girl to kick some ass.

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 02, 2018 2:16 PM  

"Instead, WoW basically lurches from one big issue to the next. You get a brief bit of down time between expansions, and then the next big drama comes along like clockwork, with little buildup."

That describes it perfectly. WoW had the benefit of a decade of RTS games to draw lore from. They've all but ran out.

As you mention, they do have some things to draw from that I had forgotten. I've been expecting Azshara to crop up for years, but it's always been her minions while she remains absent. Maybe Blizzard isn't as quick to burn all their villains as I'd though, or maybe they didn't want to burn too many resources and cut her out multiple times. Either way, it's to their gain that they haven't used her yet.

All indicators are that the Chaos Lords are going to be the next big thing. The implied meaning of Battle for Azeroth is the Alliance and Horde having a full-scale war for the planet, but it's going to be a Chaos Lord attack against the Azeroth the adolescent Titan. It's a decent idea but Blizzard should have spent more time foreshadowing who they are. They did features to promote Warlords of Draenor by showcasing who they were and releasing digital comics about their backstories. Now we have the opposite, we have nothing.

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 02, 2018 4:26 PM  

I mean Void gods, not Chaos Lords.

Blogger Chief_Tuscaloosa_welcome_white_man August 02, 2018 9:22 PM  

Micropurchases will finally destroy WoW income like they destroyed Battlefront 2 sales. Count on it. "Must monetize the cattle to the maximum extent practicable"--every MBA course everywhere on planet Earth.

Blogger Sojourner August 04, 2018 6:03 PM  

They finally went full burn and made Sylvanas the baddie she she's pretty much been since early WoW expacs. Now if they could only just go ahead and show the Horde has always been bad guys (or at least Lawful evil) we can all get back to enjoying an actual story.

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