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Friday, August 31, 2018

The truth wins out

Jordanetics is gradually losing its hold on people. More and more people are becoming aware that Jordan Peterson is not only a liar, he is a complete lunatic who should be in a padded cell for his own protection. And all that is required to convince them of this is repeatedly quoting Jordan Peterson's own words from his own speeches and books at length.
  • I was highly skeptical on your attacks against Peterson for a long while. It took me awhile to come around, but when you're right you're right, hat's off to you.
  • Same here. After his third or fourth Darkstream about Peterson and a few blog posts. I started realizing that he was correct.
  • I was hesitant at first to listen to Vox when he started explaining what was really going on.  I'd started to become invested in Peterson.  But the arguments and examples can't be ignored.  I will not flinch from unpleasant truths.  Peterson being a leftist shuck and jive artist with emotional problems is one of those truths.
  • Vox you called it from the start. I think you were the first person I heard call out Peterson. I could smell something funny, but couldn’t really tell. But you knew it. And called it.
  • From what Peterson has stated: this is classic SSRI and/or benzodiazapine withdrawal, akethesia, manic psychosis. This buckaroo is having a breakdown, especially if he's been experimenting with drugs . Bravo Vox for shining light on this fraud with a messiah complex. Someone should section 35 this clown Peterson.
  • JBP is a complete fruitcake.. You're 100% right about him. Thanks for opening my eyes on that topic.
  • Damn he really is totally crazy! How are people still not seeing it when he is throwing it right out there?
  •  I thought that it was rambling, incoherent, badly written nonsense. I didn't know it was chock full of sexual deviancy.
  • The proof Jordan Peterson is crazy is that he is STILL promoting Maps Of Meaning 2 decades after he wrote it.
  • I'm no Christian, but Day's critiques of Peterson are accurate.
  • J Peterson is a liar and a coward

From the transcript of the Darkstream:

Okay, so now let me let me point this out: if you have a 25-day stretch of terror and impending doom and you cannot sleep for however long it was - it wasn't 25 days, we know it wasn't 25 days, unless of course he has actually transcended the Material Plane like L. Ron Hubbard and is now doing his work beyond the limitations of the human body - if that happens from drinking apple cider there is nothing wrong with your body, there is something wrong with your head! You are simply insane, okay?

This guy is an utter and total lunatic, but just so you understand, this is not new. I've been telling you that the guy is insane since I read his Maps of Meaning. Now, because I brought your attention to it, a lot of you are now familiar with the whole Jordan Peterson wants to bang his cousin and dreams about cannibalizing her while the world is ending thing. If you notice, apocalyptic doom is a consistent theme with him. All right, so this is also from Maps of Meaning, and buckle your seat belts because some of you, if you've read it, then you know where I'm going with this one. Trust me, if you thought the whole cousin thing was bad, just wait. Please keep in mind that I am reading from Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning.

I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, which was also a river. Her genital region was exposed dimly. It had the appearance of a thick mane of hair. She was stroking herself absentmindedly. She walked over to me with a handful of pubic hair compacted into something resembling a large artist's paintbrush. She pushed this at my face.  I raised my arm several times to deflect her hand. Finally, unwilling to hurt her or interfere with her any further, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush gently and said, like a child, isn't it soft?

This guy has serious incest issues. Every time he's dreaming about his female relatives, it has something to do with sex, and if you put this together with the fact that he was brought in to try to dismiss the idea that there was a official conspiracy to try to conceal some known child molesters in Canada, you know there is something very, very, very hinky going on in the Peterson family.


David Eig
Challenge him to a debate. It won't turn out well for you Vox.

Darkstream by Vox Day
I hereby challenge Jordan Peterson to a public written debate, to be published simultaneously on my blog and the site of his choosing.


Now all of the Jordanetics cultists who have been repeatedly telling me that I should challenge him to a debate can go and pester Peterson about debating me. I'm confident they're all going to get right on that. I'm sure they won't make any excuses for his failure to accept the challenge.

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93 Comments:

Blogger InformationMerchant August 31, 2018 8:07 AM  

Maps of Meaning is the antidote to Jordan Peterson.

Blogger LibertyPortraits August 31, 2018 8:16 AM  

I have been reading VD daily for 12 years now and this is why I keep coming back. I dont have anyone irl who consistently points out the truth in so fearless a manner and VD is definitely the only one I know who has demonstrated JPs craziness. It all came at the perfect time too because I had just heard of JP through a Tom Woods podcast where he and Lew were commenting on JPs takedown of a female news anchor. I was reading through 12 rules book right when VD turned his baleful eye on Jordan. Since then I havent listened to any Jordan P stuff. Dodged a bullet there for sure.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2018 8:19 AM  

Vox's 12 Rules for Living Relatively Sanely:

Rule 1: "Don't go down on granny!"

...

oy vey

Blogger Shimshon August 31, 2018 8:21 AM  

You can't quit SSRIs cold turkey. He's smart, so he knows that. I wonder if he did anyway, or like most of his stuff, just more BS.

Listening to you read his dream with his grandmother was very disturbing. It's hard to believe the distortion field up around this guy.

Blogger thechortling August 31, 2018 8:34 AM  

Wonder if he has the original manuscript with the editor's vomit splatter?

Of course, this type tends to hang out with likeminded buggerers so perhaps it was celebrated in a campus safe space ... with pillows and soft hankies. Which in turn brought on more bestselling dreams. You have to wonder when the metoo revelations about Peterson are going to roll out.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2018 8:35 AM  

was his grandmother, perchance, also "one of the most beautiful elderly women" that Jordan has ever seen?


Jardon P.
She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm several times to deflect her hand. Finally, unwilling to hurt her or interfere with her any further, I let her have her way.


you notice that he is entirely placing the Responsibility for this encounter on his dream grandmother, right?

this only happened because SHE was insistent and 'forced' him into it. i mean, the only other option was injuring her! because we all know that JBP could kill his wife ( a younger, healthier woman ) with ONE BLOW.

sounds a lot like pedophiles describing how children are always "coming onto me".

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira August 31, 2018 8:36 AM  

Reading that part about the 25 sleepless nights spent LITERALLY SHAKING in terror had me roaring out loud. I imagined his wide eyes and cracking voice. How can you not see the man is insane?

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2018 8:39 AM  

"I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush gently and said, like a child, isn't it soft?"

okay thats enough internet for now

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 31, 2018 8:44 AM  

Just think: in university classrooms across the land, people read this kind of stuff to each other and discuss the profound spiritual meaning of it, instead of saying, "What? Gross! Get out of here, you sick bastard!"

Blogger cloom August 31, 2018 8:45 AM  

There is some overlap of Peterson and Molyneux. Play from 3:29:58 of this discussion with a caller (or the most atheistic part accusing Christianity of magical thinking, 3:37:29).

https://soundcloud.com/stefan-molyneux/fdr-4176-church-and-state-call-in-show-august-22nd-2018

At 3:32:42 Jordan Peterson appeal to metaphor is dragged in and then 3:34:01 Stefan is questioning if Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, born of a virgin, loaves and fishes, and saying all that matters is the narrative because it changed people (same as Peterson) ... and Stefan says "we can't go back"; 3:37:29 is the most diabolical part.

I bookmarked this audio. It is most significant for its incorrect elevation of man over God, science over God, science over religion, reason over faith, all of which are unnecessary dichotomies.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 31, 2018 8:48 AM  

Yee gods! What a degenerate loon. Not only having such a sick dream, but publishing it for all to see.

Oh, I know. "How brave!"

Blogger Harambe August 31, 2018 8:56 AM  

Yes but will he still sleep with you? That's the question on the Ilk's minds

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 31, 2018 8:56 AM  

I salute Vox for having the stamina to weed through Maps of Meaning and ferret things like this out. I'd wager few have - even though the book has sold tons of copies I bet few have actually read through it.

Peterson writes and speaks in that academic style that is not designed to communicate. It designed to win points via exhaustion while sounding erudite.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion August 31, 2018 9:09 AM  

Thank you VD. I've been seeing more and more references to Peterson. Without your flashlighting of his progressing weirdness, I'd have started wasting hunks of my life that could be far better spent digging and refilling holes in the yard, or sleeping.

Blogger Phillip George August 31, 2018 9:09 AM  

I'm missing something.
Of crimes of the twentieth century till now, Jordan Peterson doesn't rate in the top 1000.
This seems like a lot of effort to prick a balloon that was always going to deflate of it's own accord.

Blogger cloom August 31, 2018 9:10 AM  

I thought it was funny the Joe Rogan interview had to be transcribed/parsed by The Atlantic or else the comedy of Jordan Peterson would not be known to us because none of us listen to Peterson audios or if we do listen we don't react to the significance of what is being said. That might be because while listening most agree with everything being heard, while dozing off or listening as entertainment, not thinking.

Blogger tublecane August 31, 2018 9:15 AM  

I had the urge to read Dostoyevsky's Idiot, the last of his five big novels I have to read .But I'm afraid I'll have Peterson and his stupid Canuck accent in my head the whole time. Send help.

Blogger tuberman August 31, 2018 9:18 AM  

15. Phillip George

This guy, JP, is being set up to be the next Wm. Buckley, and VD needed to take the Culture War to him before he got traction.

Obvious, to all but Cucks.

Blogger Long Live The West August 31, 2018 9:22 AM  

"I'm missing something.
Of crimes of the twentieth century till now, Jordan Peterson doesn't rate in the top 1000.
This seems like a lot of effort to prick a balloon that was always going to deflate of it's own accord."

Jim Jones fizzled out too.

Better to stop the lies early before countless people get hurt.

As an example: You hang pedophiles, you don't wait for them to 'fizzle out' at an old age.

Blogger dvdivx August 31, 2018 9:25 AM  

The 25 day thing makes no sense.One of the most interesting things I read about the war in the Aleutians was when an American solder fell asleep in a foxhole with two other people and woke up to find both had their throats cut during the night by Japanese soldiers. If people fall asleep during war no one is going to stay up that long even on meth.

Blogger tublecane August 31, 2018 9:27 AM  

@20- Interesting you mention amphetamines, because they were used extensively in WWII.

Blogger Phillip George August 31, 2018 9:36 AM  

Dr Spock, not Jim Jones.
[Body buried next to Hitler]
[MK Ultra never recovered].

Peterson is a Spock. Babyboomer, useful idiot, pop culture, cotton candy, daytime television,
meanwhile...
Andrew Wiessman was exposed by Bruce Ohr as being part of the "Russian hoax". Ohr included him in his meetings about the fake dossier and it was never known publicly until now.
cuckadoodledo mother

Blogger VD August 31, 2018 9:38 AM  

This seems like a lot of effort to prick a balloon that was always going to deflate of it's own accord.

As opposed to posting ungrammatical incoherencies every day? Take your meds and clean your room, bucko.

Blogger widlast washere August 31, 2018 9:42 AM  

What is it with the world these days? The lunatics are coming out of the woodwork.

Back in the day all of us hard science majors said that Psych majors got into it for the free therapy. Never met a Psych major yet that wasn't a few beers short of a six pack.

Blogger VD August 31, 2018 9:45 AM  

Go away, Unknown. You're no longer permitted to comment here and your attempts to do so will be deleted.

Blogger Al K. Annossow August 31, 2018 9:59 AM  

The paragraph from 'Maps of Meaning' after the one Vox quoted:

Out from behind her stepped an old white bear. It stood to her right, to my left. We were all beside the pool. The bear was old, like little dogs get old. It could not see very well, and acted miserable and unpredictably. It started to growl and wave its head at me – just like little mean dogs growl and look just before they bite you. It grabbed my left hand in its jaws. We both fell into the pool, which was by this time more like a river. I was pushing the bear away with my free hand. I yelled, “Dad, what should I do?” I took an axe and hit the bear behind the head, hard, a number of times, killing it. It went limp in the water. I tried to lift its body onto the bank. Some people came to help me. I yelled, “I have to do this alone!” Finally I forced it out of the water. I walked away, down the bank. My father joined me, and put his arm around my shoulder. I felt exhausted, but satisfied.

I could interpret that as him dealing with threats of physical punishment if he told. But it sounds more like him dealing with his obsession. Normally, I consider dreams to be useless and meaningless brain farts that only have a little connection to reality. But JBP thought this was important enough to put into a frickin' book about universal meaning. It was in the section dealing with general meanings of the feminine, "The Great Mother." Regardless of the true nature of dreams, JBP believes it has a lot of meaning. And of course, only he can provide that meaning because of his personal dreams. He is not sufficiently distinguishing himself from external and universal truths.

Blogger VD August 31, 2018 10:02 AM  

Regardless of the true nature of dreams, JBP believes it has a lot of meaning. And of course, only he can provide that meaning because of his personal dreams.

Hell, Jordan Peterson believes that HIS WIFE'S DREAMS are proof that the end of the world is nigh, unless he saves humanity from itself. He actually put that in writing. He is completely insane.

Blogger Al K. Annossow August 31, 2018 10:09 AM  

If I HAD to choose, I too would use his wife's dreams for direction in life over his own.

Blogger Phillip George August 31, 2018 10:36 AM  

I just don't rate him malevolent.
A circus clown maybe, not a C_A clown.
On ungrammatical, I plead the fifth.

In witch burning I'm saving my faggots.
He looks like a surfer riding waves. Yes the next one might dump him, but hey, it's surfing. It's the sea. It's a board. It's what surfers do.

Blogger SouthRon August 31, 2018 10:47 AM  

I saw a signed copy of the 12 Rules at a doctor's office yesterday. That was all I needed to see to know we would not be going back.

We got the doctor to sign the paper that we needed and as we left her personality did a complete 180 and started going off on us. My wife asked what the hell was that about. I pointed out the book. She started laughing, "We were just talking about that insane freak this morning." Yup.

JBP building his army of zombie followers one lunatic at a time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 31, 2018 10:52 AM  

I had a dream too. Let me tell you about it.

I was in the woods in Canada, hiking. I came up a trail and it opened out into a view of a pretty little pool. Beside the pool was a young girl, she was lying in her back and not moving. I couldn't tell if she was dead. Jordan Peterson was there. He was on all fours, completely naked, and ripping at the girl's face with his teeth. I started shouting and running towards Peterson, and suddenly out of a tree drops a man with a Mohawk. The Mohawk man kicked Peterson in the back of the neck and screamed "WHAT THE FUCK ARE DOING?" Peterson got visibly erect at this and began trying to rape the body of the girl. Mohawk man began brutally pummeling Peterson screaming "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?"

At this point a pack of small dogs, chihuahuas and terriers, came out of the woods to my left. They began whining and yipping, trying to defend Peterson. They were running in a circle around Peterson and the girl, as if they were trying to form a shield wall. Any time one of them actually got in the way of one of Mohawk man's savage blows, he was reduced to a red pile of goo.

Then out of the woods to my right, came an assortment of bizarrely deformed semi-human creatures. Some had tentacles, some had extra arms. Some walked, some slithered. The only commonality in their appearance is that they all had large heads and no faces. They began devouring the pack of small whining yipping dogs.

Then Mohawk man delivered to Peterson a very powerful kick to the balls that sent him flying. He landed on his back and immediately flipped back to all fours and began crawling back to the body of the girl. One of the vile faceless things produced a pistol and handed it to Mohawk man. He shot Peterson in the back of the head and kicked Peterson's now lifeless husk into the pool, which became a powerful torrent and dragged Peterson's body downstream.
The dog pack followed, some of them trying to eat Peterson's body, the others trying to defend it.

The girl's body disappeared, like it wasn't really there in the first place.


Can anybody tell me what my dream means?

Blogger SouthRon August 31, 2018 10:58 AM  

@31 Best laugh I've had all week. Well done.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2018 11:08 AM  

Phillip George wrote:This seems like a lot of effort to prick a balloon that was always going to deflate of it's own accord.

Reading a book and then speaking on video is a "lot of effort" to you?

So when will we see "Watch Ben EPICALLY ANNIHILATE and TOTALLY DEVASTATE Peterson with ONE QUESTION?" It's not like he supports freaky grandmother incest or stuff like that, right?

Blogger Johnny August 31, 2018 11:11 AM  

Way back when thinking that dreams could predict the future was the common opinion. There is some truth to it, but it is looking inward not outward. If for example you have an alement or difficulty that has yet to become serious enough that your conscious mind has picked up on it, a dream might well predict it.

It turns out we do remember our birth, and going through water, into water, or out of water is usually a birth thing. It can be being born, being reborn, and as many believe in a hereafter, dying as a form of rebirth, once again you go through water.

The old sailer's legend of a Davy Jone's locker plays out well in this regard. The going through water is an anticipation of death, and the locker is a woumb, thus anticipating rebirth or a return to the security of the woumb. The Bible is full of such illusions. In the very start the earth is born by coming out of water. When the Jews flee Egypt they go through water, a kind of rebirth. When Jacob becomes Israel, the going through the Jabbok river is again a rebirth, from Jacob to Israel. And so on.

As for Peterson's dream:

Out from behind her stepped an old white bear. It stood to her right, to my left. We were all beside the pool. The bear was old, like little dogs get old. It could not see very well, and acted miserable and unpredictably. It started to growl and wave its head at me – just like little mean dogs growl and look just before they bite you. It grabbed my left hand in its jaws. We both fell into the pool, which was by this time more like a river. I was pushing the bear away with my free hand. I yelled, “Dad, what should I do?” I took an axe and hit the bear behind the head, hard, a number of times, killing it. It went limp in the water. I tried to lift its body onto the bank. Some people came to help me. I yelled, “I have to do this alone!” Finally I forced it out of the water. I walked away, down the bank. My father joined me, and put his arm around my shoulder. I felt exhausted, but satisfied.

Given Peterson's nature and the dream generally, the water is fear of death. He wants his father to save him but he can't, thus Peterson has to fight off the bear himself. Same thing later. He wants others to save him but they can't and he yells "Ihave to do this alone!" In the end the father that could not save him gives him assurance that he wanted to.




I view the above as highly likely. But to go on with a little rank speculation, the daughter is probably sexual. Could be repressed insest desire or perhaps only symbalizing a younger women. The reference to age is likely to be fear of death owing to old age. As dogs age faster than people, the reference to the bear getting old like "little dogs get old" could well be fear of an early death. The bear could well be death itself, the grim reaper, or the thing that might kill him.

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Also, the second dream quoted here has, "kicked Peterson's now lifeless husk into the pool, which became a powerful torrent and dragged Peterson's body downstream..." Again entering water as death or fear of it.

The guy has a morbid imagination.

Blogger RobertT August 31, 2018 11:14 AM  

Nobody's going to get rich arguing with VD. That's a total wasteland for incompetents & fools.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 31, 2018 11:18 AM  

Johnny wrote:Also, the second dream quoted here has
Actually, it's a recapitulation or mirroring of one of the distinctive themes of Peterson's dream. Because it's a work of fiction.

Blogger Latigo3 August 31, 2018 11:29 AM  

This guy is just the latest in the long line of cultists that people flock to, looking for easy answers and quick fixes. When you live long enough, you see the cycles and it seems every generation has them. I remember watching the footage of Jonestown as a kid.
I actually had not paid any attention to JB, didn't know who he was, but thanks Vox for bringing this into the light; because about the same time that you began exposing him my son told me about this guy Jordan Peterson. I simply copied and pasted your stuff and sent to him.

Thanks Truth Teller

Blogger Long Live The West August 31, 2018 11:33 AM  

"Because it's a work of fiction."

I think the term 'work of art' is more fitting. Very good attention to detail. With the dogs coming from the left, vfm from the right. Good stuff.

Blogger Al K. Annossow August 31, 2018 11:34 AM  

CitizenOutkast wrote:Reading a book and then speaking on video is a "lot of effort" to you?
I'm guessing the video part is considerably more effort than most imagine - like translating across languages to a stranger's child. Plus, assuming that that stranger is a member of Gestapo. Reading a book - not so much.

Blogger Avalanche August 31, 2018 11:42 AM  

@6 "you notice that he is entirely placing the Responsibility for this encounter on his dream grandmother, right?
this only happened because SHE was insistent and 'forced' him into it. i mean, the only other option was injuring her!"


I think you've got it upside down. This is the abused child describing how he gave up and submitted -- as most children must. And then the child often defends submission by "making it their idea" -- because a beloved parent / granny would NOT hurt them like this on purpose, would they?

Takes us right straight back to Milo's forced destruction; picture-perfect defensive and anguished child, insisting with bravado that 'he was NOT helpless when Father Mike forced him -- he (must have?) "asked" for it! And he benefited by it! And liked it! And wanted it! Yeah! That's the ticket!' (Not.)

Because admitting (to himself): 'I was a CHILD and I could not protect myself, and horrible things were done to me that I would never in a million years have wanted' is too painful and too dangerous to know!


I have sympathy for Jordie-Boy, but it's sympathy for a crazy man -- and you cannot expect anything from a crazy man but crazy; even if it sounds reasonable.

(My psychiatrist friend says her schizophrenic patients would argue very very persuasively for their ... whatever ... theory (aliens, 9/11, illuminati, jew-control, C_A mind control, etc.) they were immersed in; and provide boatloads of what seemed to be solid evidence ... and surely some of their obsessions might / must be valid -- but which ones?!)

Peterson provides a good amount of solid info -- the stuff your dad is supposed to tell you as you grow up -- but it's mixed in with craziness. The key might be how to separate / what to discard? The better key is to leave the contaminated "source" entirely behind.

Vox is (of course) right: there are enough solid non-crazy sources for this info -- for saving our young men -- but JBP is being pushed for malignant reasons.

Blogger VFM 4388 August 31, 2018 11:43 AM  

This seems like a lot of effort to prick a balloon that was always going to deflate of it's own accord.

Are you new? You seem new.

I think you're new.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box August 31, 2018 11:56 AM  

I could never get past his squeaky voice, Cannuck accent and the blank, haunted look on his face. (He certainly looks like someone battling depression.)

He strikes me as a more verbose incarnation of Joseph Campbell (Hero with a Thousand Faces). I had some limited exposure to his (Campbell's) stuff in college during the 90s, and while initially appealing, I quickly found out it was pretty hollow stuff, not to mention awfully boring. Maybe good for understanding common themes in mythology, but certainly not any kind of template for living well.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2018 12:00 PM  

Al K. Annossow wrote:I'm guessing the video part is considerably more effort than most imagine - like translating across languages to a stranger's child. Plus, assuming that that stranger is a member of Gestapo. Reading a book - not so much.

Yeah, I'm not downplaying Vox's work, but I'm sure it was easy enough for him to tear JP down. I don't see this as taking much effort from him. It should have been easy enough for JP's fanbois, before they let themselves become fanbois, had they bothered to read anything he wrote, but alas...

Blogger VinceLRN August 31, 2018 12:03 PM  

I would really enjoy a Jordan Peterson and Vox Day debate. But I know it's very unlikely to happen since Jordan Peterson will most certainly back down and claim that he does not wish to debate "collectivist Alt-Right ideologues" like Vox Day.

Blogger PolitiCrump August 31, 2018 12:07 PM  

Just like Buckley, JBP has swindled his followers into believing that he is a defender of tradition and and friend of conservatism, when in fact, his erudition and verbal vacillation obfuscate the deep psychological hang-ups and character flaws he clearly possesses -
all the more ironic considering Peterson is a psychologist expected to aid others in exorcising their mental demons. MY question is, why do many continue to be so taken in by these obvious frauds?

Blogger VD August 31, 2018 12:07 PM  

Jordan Peterson will most certainly back down and claim that he does not wish to debate "collectivist Alt-Right ideologues" like Vox Day.

And yet, he's always got time for the SJWs he supposedly opposes so vehemently.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2018 12:08 PM  

@31 Snidely Whiplash
I had a dream too. Let me tell you about it.
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That was much better than my dream.

Mine was more along the lines of a pied piper being attacked by a mean bald kid that drove off all of his victims.

Blogger Matthew August 31, 2018 12:11 PM  

Avalanche wrote:I think you've got it upside down. This is the abused child describing how he gave up and submitted -- as most children must. And then the child often defends submission by "making it their idea" -- because a beloved parent / granny would NOT hurt them like this on purpose, would they?

That's my take as well.

His dietary experiments suggest he's dealing with autoimmune problems, which are prevalent in those sexually abused as children.

Blogger R Webfoot August 31, 2018 12:14 PM  

@48 Matthew
"His dietary experiments suggest he's dealing with autoimmune problems, which are prevalent in those sexually abused as children."

His daughter's issues are autoimmune.... let's hope that means it's congenital.

Blogger Balkan Yankee August 31, 2018 12:22 PM  

@44: And what exactly would the proposition be? JBP is insane? With Peterson arguing the negative case?

Blogger VinceLRN August 31, 2018 12:35 PM  

That's truly ironic isn't it? SJW collectivists are incoherent. It's easy to debunk their ludicrous arguments. But debating Nationalists, that's a different story altogether.

Blogger VinceLRN August 31, 2018 12:41 PM  

No. Arguing his redefinition of truth, Jesus Christ and his anti-nationalist stance.

Blogger Attila is my bro August 31, 2018 12:56 PM  

@Cloom Glue

>>>There is some overlap of Peterson and Molyneux. Play from 3:29:58 of this discussion with a caller (or the most atheistic part accusing Christianity of magical thinking, 3:37:29).

I was listening to that show this morning. I can't remember which caller it was, but Stefan also said something else notable. Something to the effect of, "Jordan Petersen, being a christian, would have [x] to say about..." I guess he doesn't read this blog. I wonder if he's even aware of the JP craziness.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums August 31, 2018 12:57 PM  

Al K. Annossow wrote:I could interpret that as him dealing with threats of physical punishment if he told. But it sounds more like him dealing with his obsession. Normally, I consider dreams to be useless and meaningless brain farts that only have a little connection to reality. But JBP thought this was important enough to put into a frickin' book about universal meaning.

Dreams are random representation of your inner world. While at rest the brain exhibits random depolarizations (micro-seizures) similar to how completely blind people experience visual hallucinations. The brain, being a pattern recognition machine, is gonna try to put these random micro-seizures in a context relevant to the person's life. A sailor staring long enough at a Jackson Pollock painting will start seeing a boat or two. There's value in analyzing dreams because you're basically engaging in meditation. The dream itself has no value, the act of dream analysis does.

Peterson doesn't believe this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5HOhwM7ELY ). He refuses to acknowledge the fact that dreams are always subservient to the person's own imagination and mental capacity. Peterson thinks dreams come from the outside. He thinks dreams are a reflection of society, not a reflection of one's mind. This is why he's perfectly comfortable with sharing his psychotic dreams in his magnum opus. He's under the impression that the more deranged HIS dreams are the more deranged society is. That is, if he finds his dreams deranged at all...

Did anyone here read Catch-22? Do you remember the army psychologist which thought it was perfectly normal to have constant dreams of bashing women's faces in? How he was under the impression everybody else were lying to when they reported no such thoughts? How he thought the other soldiers were pretending to be crazy by not reporting such dreams in order to get out of the army?

Blogger Johnny August 31, 2018 1:17 PM  

>>Peterson thinks dreams come from the outside...

One wonders how he managed to get through college and adsorb so little of modern thinking.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 31, 2018 1:19 PM  

@4

"You can't quit SSRIs cold turkey. He's smart, so he knows that. I wonder if he did anyway, or like most of his stuff, just more BS."

That would definitely account for feelings of terror.

I missed 2 doses (1 every 6 hour) of a rather established SRI (not SSRI) (bupropion) a few years back. This was treatment for depression that I apparently had going for years, but never recognized, because I was constantly optimistic. VA found it in post-deployment screening.

Anyways, I was taking 1 pill every 6 hours (my doctor said take 2 every 12, but I decided to do 1 every 6 to keep blood serum levels more stable)... anyways, I happened to fall asleep around 10 PM, missed the midnight dose, was really tired so I slept through to about noon the next day... so I missed the 6 AM dose. So, anyways, took a double-dose to get my blood serum level back up... and expected problems. It was interesting. I had a horrible feeling of dread... completely unspecified... that something horrible was going to happen. I couldn't tell you what I thought the horrible thing would be, but it sure felt like something earth-shatteringly awful was just around the corner.

Fortunately, I knew that this was one of the possible side effects of suddenly stopping, so, I didn't take it seriously.

Sounds like Peterson did, in fact, stop taking his SSRIs cold turkey.

SRI = Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (basically, reduces the body's destruction of serotonin, to boost how much is floating around in the brain)

SSRI = Selective SRI
Citalopram (Celexa)
Escitalopram (Lexapro)
Fluoxetine (Prozac)
Paroxetine (Paxil, Pexeva)
Sertraline (Zoloft)
Vilazodone (Viibryd)
These suppposedly restrict their activity to serotonin exclusive to other neurotransmitters better than the old SRI's... but every single school shooter incident we've had, the subject has been taking an SSRI (none have been on an SRI).

Blogger Jack Amok August 31, 2018 1:23 PM  

The next question is, how many of Jordan Peterson's followers are worth salvaging, and what was it about him that drew in the salvageable ones in the first place?

Blogger Gurpgork August 31, 2018 1:24 PM  

Wasn't one of the rules to always pet a cat? Was he talking about his granny when he wrote that?

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums August 31, 2018 1:31 PM  

Gurpgork wrote:Wasn't one of the rules to always pet a cat? Was he talking about his granny when he wrote that?

10/10

Blogger Zander Stander August 31, 2018 1:58 PM  

Pet a cat, not grab it!

Blogger Solon August 31, 2018 2:07 PM  

The balloon is filled with poisonous gas, and it's leaking.

Vox is just handing out gas masks. You're welcome.

Blogger chronoblip August 31, 2018 2:10 PM  

A JBP quote from the "Is There Meaning To Life?" discussion between William Lane Craig, JBP, and a token (((woman))) who contributed nothing.

At that level of analysis you have to start questioning your initial presumptions, like the idea that the 'most true' truth is objective, because I'm not sure it is. I don't think we understand what constitutes truth very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HBQYyL-31M

If folks want a less satisfying taste of what an interaction between Vox and JBP would look like, WLC plays the role of the gentlemanly philosopher who never quite goes for the throat the way that Vox would.

The dialectic is there, the rhetoric isn't.

Blogger R Webfoot August 31, 2018 3:07 PM  

"At that level of analysis you have to start questioning your initial presumptions, like the idea that the 'most true' truth is objective, because I'm not sure it is. I don't think we understand what constitutes truth very well."

*facepalm*

That's one of the germs of his overall consistent Narrative, around which all of his bafflegarble chums the waters in every direction.

I've noticed that the more deranged an ideologue becomes, the more they will be attracted to anything which fits the template of their Narrative, even when it is complete balderdash. The idea that the subjective is Real and that God is inside you, is an important part of the core of Jordanetics.

I've seen him allude to the idea that "there are more connections in your brain than subatomic particles in the universe" once, when he was preaching something about subjective existentialism. Which is completely and obviously retarded, given that (1) every brain connection is composed of matter in the amount of much more than a single subatomic particle, and (2) most of the subatomic particles in the universe are not involved in anybody's brain connections, let alone yours. But it kinda fits the "WHOA!" associated with his Narrative, so he ran with it.

Blogger Othello August 31, 2018 3:19 PM  

His daughter was on Joe Rogan. This clip is about the diet that makes the family crazy go away.

https://youtu.be/7fncJdVjy5U

Blogger Zwiebel August 31, 2018 3:26 PM  

Yeah, you convinced me pretty early that he was a shill, what with his UN work with Podesta and stuff, but I thought your claims as to his sanity were a tad exaggerated.

Yeah, and then the apple cider thing happened... Apple cider, really...

So yeah, you were right!

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 31, 2018 3:41 PM  

I've seen him allude to the idea that "there are more connections in your brain than subatomic particles in the universe" once, when he was preaching something about subjective existentialism.

Did he mention that our solar system could by a tiny atom in the finger nail of some giant being too?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 31, 2018 3:41 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUOGxePBs50

Blogger joke10 August 31, 2018 4:04 PM  

He pretty obviously isn't suffering from benzo withdrawal.

Blogger SirHamster August 31, 2018 4:18 PM  

Phillip George wrote:I just don't rate him malevolent.


He falsely claims to be a Christian while attempting to redefine God, Jesus, and truth.

He is trying to skinsuit Christianity. Does that not ring some alarm bells?

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums August 31, 2018 4:25 PM  

R Webfoot wrote:I've seen him allude to the idea that "there are more connections in your brain than subatomic particles in the universe" once, when he was preaching something about subjective existentialism.

http://www.quoteswave.com/picture-quotes/435663

Blogger Dirk Manly August 31, 2018 4:50 PM  

@20 "...If people fall asleep during war no one is going to stay up that long even on meth."

@21
> @20- Interesting you mention amphetamines, because they were used extensively in WWII.


That's the point he was making... even in a war... even in a war, while on meth... people still fall asleep. And it doesn't take 26 days.

Blogger tublecane August 31, 2018 5:04 PM  

@40- "but which ones?"

You just described the plot of the Mel Gibson movie Conspiracy Theory.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot August 31, 2018 5:11 PM  

there are more connections in your brain than subatomic particles in the universe

"But that's insignificant compared to the number of strands in a dream grandma pube brush!"

Astonishing the thirst required to keep supporting someone who seems to spend much of his time trying to one-up the creepiness of his own stories.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot August 31, 2018 5:13 PM  

@71 - Your link lead me to this bit of pure philosophical gold:

http://www.quoteswave.com/picture-quotes/9895

Blogger Scott August 31, 2018 5:36 PM  

This is why the lefty sharkensteins allow Peterson to swim freely and poke at them. At some point he'll have attracted a critical mass of delicious righties, then wham! Free For All Feeding Frenzy! They'll easily expose him for the sick and twisted bastard he is, and "see, this is what the alt-right is really all about." His practitioners will have no choice but to completely divorce themselves from Jordanetics (lol) including the alt-right tendencies he half-preached. At least L Ron Hubbard believed homosexuality was psychosomatic.

Blogger By My Greybeard! August 31, 2018 6:06 PM  

I think he's simply misremembering that dream.

It's actually his cuck grandpa wearing a kitten codpiece, (alive or skinned & tanned...who knows?)

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 31, 2018 6:54 PM  

Yeoman's work, Dark Lord.

Blogger Geoarrge August 31, 2018 7:21 PM  

@57: The initial appeal to Peterson is that he does talk more sense than the typical postmodern academic, which is a breath of fresh air compared to what most college kids are used to. If you've been stuck in a sewer since grade school, 17 percent oxygen with a whiff of sulfur is going to seem pretty good by comparison.

Here's a potentially useful question to ask. Suppose that JBP is halfway to the right place. Does that automatically mean that he is leading people in the right direction, or is he staking out his own kingdom in Halfway-Land with no intention of sending anyone onward?

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 31, 2018 7:37 PM  

Johnny wrote:>>Peterson thinks dreams come from the outside...

One wonders how he managed to get through college and adsorb so little of modern thinking.


Oh, I don't think so, Johnny. Rather I think Jordan Peterson is an exemplary product of modern thinking!

One of the big reason that his fans think that Vox is picking unfairly and jealously on Peterson is that Peterson is, shockingly, rather standard issue in what constitutes scholarship in the humanities.

Yes, Maps of Meaning is crazy 'bafflegab' as Vox so eloquently puts it. But it isn't special for that quality one bit. To the contrary, that's standard in the humanities studies.

It's all a giant pile of bullshit. Jordan Peterson is FAR from the only academian who cries out for a rubber room.


Most of them do.


Find me a humanities professor who isn't converged and batshit crazy!


In my experience there is exactly ONE place you might encounter one, and that is classical studies. Greek and Latin.


Of course. That comes as no surprise.

Blogger The Greay Man August 31, 2018 9:25 PM  

Geoarrg, please read and listen to JP with the new revelation that he's an idiot.

Even his "makes sense" type of statements that people partially quote are absolute lunacy.

Go to Reddit/r/JordanPeterson for some absolute insanity.

Blogger Brian Dean August 31, 2018 9:25 PM  

Othello

Based on what the daughter said, it's mental and not physical. What tells me that is the link you gave to her Joe Rogan interview. About 18 minutes into it, when she FINDS OUT that she is pregnant, her symptoms flare up again. If the symptoms were caused by the pregnancy, her symptoms would have been there as soon as she got pregnant. Not as soon as she FINDS OUT that she is pregnant. That seems to be pretty strong evidence that a lot of this shit is mental.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 31, 2018 10:37 PM  

You cannot expect Vox Day to run in and save the day against the array of charlatans before us. Vox would be overwhelmed by the onslaught of countless numbers!

Pick up your axe and fight the ghouls.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2018 10:59 PM  

Stop and pet a cat was code for let your grandma rub you with her pussy. Thanks Jordy.

Blogger Matrick September 01, 2018 4:42 AM  

Re. SSRI drugs: I was prescribed them in my teens and early twenties and the withdrawal symptoms I experienced when I quit cold turkey were absolutely awful. I had an intense feeling of dread and terror which became too much and I had to jump back on the drug.

More recently, I was taking a small daily dose of MDMA, basically as an anti-depressant. It's very effective for that purpose so I wouldn't be surprised if Peterson has used it. The withdrawal symptoms from that drug were pretty terrifying and similar to those I experienced with the SSRIs, with the addition of a larger range of strange and unpleasant things such as incredibly vivid and disturbing dreams which made me afraid to go to sleep. At times I wasn't even sure if I was awake or asleep as part of the dream would involve the point of view of lying in bed unable to move while voices and/or non-existent music could be heard. Then I'd snap out of it and realise that I wasn't actually awake and none of what I thought I was seeing and hearing was real.

Anyway, I have no interest in Peterson and have only read what has been written about him on this blog, but it sounds like he's been in a drug-addled state.

Blogger Mark Stoval September 01, 2018 6:40 AM  

"Anyway, I have no interest in Peterson and have only read what has been written about him on this blog, but it sounds like he's been in a drug-addled state."

I also have had no interest in Peterson, but have enjoyed the many take-downs here both in the posts and in the comments section. The guy is a loon and it is amazing how many people will follow a fellow who is so clearly crazy. Oh well.

Kudos to Vox for helping so many people by pointing out the danger in listening to the loonie.

Blogger Warkicker September 01, 2018 7:07 AM  

"If folks want a less satisfying taste of what an interaction between Vox and JBP would look like, WLC plays the role of the gentlemanly philosopher who never quite goes for the throat the way that Vox would."

Vox has pointed out in the distant past how WLC has a tendency to corner his opponents but never go in for the kill shot. I've had the privilege of interacting and talking to WLC on many occasions and pointed this out to him. He admits he doesn't want to humiliate or embarrass his opponents. Strikes me that Christ didn't have an issue with this tactic when the proper occasion was presented. However, in his more recent debates, I've noticed that Dr. Craig has practically accused his opponents of being idiots, in a refined but no so subtle way.

Blogger Avalanche September 01, 2018 7:59 AM  

@49 "His dietary experiments suggest he's dealing with autoimmune problems, which are prevalent in those sexually abused as children."
His daughter's issues are autoimmune.... let's hope that means it's congenital."

His (24-yr-old) son seems healthy?
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/935677419431780352?lang=en

Blogger Avalanche September 01, 2018 8:28 AM  

@65 "I thought your claims as to his sanity were a tad exaggerated.
Yeah, and then the apple cider thing happened... Apple cider, really..."

Not to defend the crazy, but to defend the possible / probable biochemistry... Jordie and his daughter's autoimmune disorders (and her's at least were / are massive: she had to have a knee and an ankle replaced by age 16, after joint-destruction by rheumatoid arthritis) are at least partly, if not majorly, caused by a "hysterical" immune system overreacting to any challenges. So, yes, apple cider vinegar being a fermented liquid could have thrown his immune system into out-of-control ravaging.

Not the no-sleep and terror, that absolutely sounds like drug-withdrawal; but his descriptions of physical effects, and the horrific skin reactions he shows in some pix, are a not-uncommon symptom of body's desperate response and way-over-reacting AGAINST the bad 'bugs' in the gut. Apple cider vinegar is offered as healthy way to address 'bad bugs'; but when they are the 'preponderance' of gut inhabitants (like, say, voting immigrants and idiot-libs-progs in CA?), trying to use a-c-vinegar to provide healthy support to the good bugs (trying to enforce law-and-order in CA for the few Rightists left) can result in riots and ruin. That is, it's not even HIS body getting hysterical but his "passengers": everyone knows we have more non-human 'cells' than human cells?

And JBP's pattern-recognition system, which is a basically biological and fundamental human trait, could make him associate the a.c.v. with the drug withdrawal... ('jailing' the wrong perp)!

Doesn't make the craziness any less.... crazy!

Blogger Avalanche September 01, 2018 8:35 AM  

@81 " If the symptoms were caused by the pregnancy, her symptoms would have been there as soon as she got pregnant."

Never been around pregnant women, then? The immune system is not 'shut down' / limited the moment one becomes pregnant; nor is its response "hysterical" and psychosomatic. Immune responses in pregnancy (e.g., gestational diabetes?) are a reaction to the "foreign tissue" in the woman's body; her immune system has to massively change its 'patrolling' to prevent harm to the baby.

Blogger Nathan September 01, 2018 9:12 AM  

Vox,

Another interesting thing about:Listened to a video of his about a year ago where he encouraged someone who was asexual to work with a partner they could trust, see a "sex therapist" etc. That is hardly a pro-marriage position.

Blogger Didas Kalos September 01, 2018 9:22 AM  

Any time a person rejects the plain truth of the Wors of God and sets themselves up as a purveyor of his own personal truth, he will go crazy if he isn't already. As there is plenty of evidence above to support that JP is nuts. Besides, i would be suspicious of you if you were the person who mowed Podesta's grass.

Blogger stevo September 01, 2018 10:36 AM  

One thing I have noticed is that some crazy people seem to exude a lot of energy and excitement which can be very attractive. I was very much taken in by the whole JBP thing for a while. I assumed he was a real christian. Thankfully I have also learned to always take Vox Day seriously. I was momentarily torn between the 2 but of course Vox was right again...

Blogger jr2332 September 03, 2018 2:20 PM  

JP seems a little too excited about playing with kids in this clip. There might be a Freudian slip or ten in this one...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u88D8Kj2Xcs

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