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Monday, September 10, 2018

China plays the debt card

I'm not sure which is more amusing, the consternation of the anti-imperialists who are tempted to shoulder the White Man's Burden to protect the Africans from themselves or the hypocrisy of the IMF for worrying about China engaging in the debt-trap diplomacy they have been utilizing in Asia and Latin America for decades:
Zambia is reportedly in talks with China over a possible takeover of the country's electricity company, ZEWASCO, after defaulting on loan repayment. This is according to a report by Africa Confidential titled Bills, Bonds and even Bigger Debts claiming that Zambia risks losing its sovereignty to China which is bound to seize its national assets once the government defaults on loans.

"A major worry of the IMF and US is that China’s BRI strategy is first to encourage indebtedness, and then to take over strategic national assets when debtors default on repayments. The state electricity company ZESCO is already in talks about a takeover by a Chinese company, AC has learned.

"The long-term outcome could be effective Chinese ownership of the commanding heights of the economy and potentially the biggest loss of national sovereignty since independence,” the report read.
It's a bit ironic that SJWs in a post-imperial West that has been in decline for nearly 70 years are still actively attempting to destroy it while remaining entirely blind to the fact that a much more numerous, more unified empire is expanding in its place.

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Blogger FUBARwest September 10, 2018 8:11 AM  

That was quick. Wasn't this a topic a couple days ago? The Chinese work fast.

Blogger Unknown September 10, 2018 8:15 AM  

I wonder if Vox's prediction will come true, and China will genocide the African continent once America's gone.

Blogger The Kurgan September 10, 2018 8:20 AM  

It’s going to be interesting. The Africans have an interesting survival strategy... to make the place unlovable to anyone even marginally civilised.
Given the bugmen are not exactly civilised either this could become entertaining to watch. Preferably from a fortified city state in Europe.

Blogger The Kurgan September 10, 2018 8:21 AM  

*unlivable.... though unlovable works too.

Blogger Johnny September 10, 2018 8:23 AM  

I would imagine the big issue will be the sezure thing. Is the country lawful enough that it can be controlled by legal means? If not seizure will be sending in the troops. Functionally it would amount to seizing the country. Imperialism by debt collection has been done. That is part of how Maximilian ended up ruling Mexico for a while. The other side of it was that old Maximilian ended up eating a bullet.

Sounds to me like an effort by China to replace the IMF (or World Bank or whatever) with their own in house international bank like entity.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 10, 2018 8:32 AM  

Yeah Kurgan that was the strategy in Chicago when Rahm aced out the black political establishment make the place unlivable. it works. My bet is China hires one half the country to kill the other half, it will be interesting.

Blogger Attila is my bro September 10, 2018 8:33 AM  

@Johnny

>I would imagine the big issue will be the sezure thing. Is the country lawful enough that it can be controlled by legal means? If not seizure will be sending in the troops

Creating banana republics out of shitholes works just fine. Been done many times before. There no reason it can't be done by the Chinese in the traditional way.

Blogger Johnny September 10, 2018 8:52 AM  

The more you know the more you find out that what you know is suspect. It is not so much the lie as the slant. Our latest covert doctrine is actually eye for eye, tooth for tooth; done under the white guilt justification. We did it to them so they should be able to do it to us.

This global money stuff is a curse.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 9:02 AM  

@Johnny

They only need to control the utterly corrupt political elite. Much like what people of a (((certain ethnic commonality))) have done in the West.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 9:07 AM  

@Johnny

It's not so much the lie as the slant.

Leave the Chinese alone!

Anonymous Anonymous September 10, 2018 9:09 AM  

In the imperial lexicon, RIVAL is synonymous with ENEMY.

Blogger Worlds Edge September 10, 2018 9:14 AM  

Also, this...

Xinjiang Political ‘Re-Education Camps’ Treat Uyghurs ‘Infected by Religious Extremism’: CCP Youth League

Isn't this exactly what SJWs assured us Dernald Drumpf was going to do? Where's the Twitter outrage?

FWIW, They're also literally referring to devout Muslims as being "infected with a disease," and apparently having a long beard is enough to get you a one way ticket to a vacation of being force fed wine and pork. And to think I just shaved mine off a few days ago. :(

Blogger pyrrhus September 10, 2018 9:21 AM  

Well, the IMF has been pretty much thrown out of Asia...Apparently, the Chinese are kinder usurers and don't demand the insane austerity measures usually required by the IMF.

Blogger peacefulposter September 10, 2018 9:30 AM  

China is also apparently behind the removal of white farmers in South Africa.

Blogger Maniac September 10, 2018 9:35 AM  

Once again, it's one of the 10 Marxist Commandments: when it comes to colonialism, tyranny and other crimes, if they ain't White, they're alright.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 September 10, 2018 9:37 AM  

Question: Will "Civilized" China catchup to China policy and they effectively screw themselves like the West?
OR
Will they but boot to neck when Africa doesn't pay up? I am guessing this all depends on the state of the West and which happens first. China is starting to struggle with both religious and economic issues that will call into question the historic Communist policy.

Blogger Lazarus September 10, 2018 9:39 AM  

China's Belt and Road Initiative is not only colonizing Africa.

A report by the Center for Global Development in March warned that China’s $8 trillion initiative involves 68 nations in projects involving transportation, energy and telecommunications infrastructure development.

The report said 23 countries are facing “debt distress” from participation in the program with eight at high or significant risk over their indebtedness to Chinese state-controlled banks. They include Djibouti, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Maldives, Mongolia, Montenegro, Pakistan, and Tajikistan.

Blogger GB September 10, 2018 9:43 AM  

When the Chinese heard them all into death camps they're going to wish they hadn't chased all the Europeans out.

Oh well, a Chinese future won't be so bad.

Blogger Looking Glass September 10, 2018 9:45 AM  

Peaceful Poster wrote:China is also apparently behind the removal of white farmers in South Africa.

Poking around a bit for Chinese Infrastructure projects, it would appear that China made a deal with the Cabal and they get pretty much a free-hand in Sub-Saharan Africa. While Chinese firms are going to be doing deals everywhere, generally, they're focused from Nigeria going East along the central jungles through to the east coast. My assumption would be Kenya and countries to the North stay under the purview of the Western Empires, but, without being in on the deals, that's just conjecture based on what's currently going on.

https://www.thebusinessyear.com/top-10-china-infrastructure-projects-in-africa-2018/focus

I guess the only open question is if China plans to depopulate & colonize the entire region, or just the key growing areas on the South & Eastern sections.

Blogger Desillusionerad September 10, 2018 9:52 AM  

We are also ignoring how China is doing the 'same' things in the West.

Blogger VD September 10, 2018 9:54 AM  

I guess the only open question is if China plans to depopulate & colonize the entire region, or just the key growing areas on the South & Eastern sections.

Considering that their Politburo approved a plan for 100 million colonists in Africa prior to "withdrawing" it in the face of Western disapproval, I suspect the former is the larger probability.

Blogger thechortling September 10, 2018 9:55 AM  

12 Essays from 2007 (relating experience from the 60s to the 90s) on how this was done by Western powers in the post WW2 era.

I mentioned John Perkins in a previous post. I think he's nuttier than a Peterson patsy and his sanctioning of this book is a bit of a distraction. The other writers have some things to say about the mechanics of the approach the Chinese are now taking .

A Game as Old as Empire

Blogger John Best. September 10, 2018 9:59 AM  

The Chinese are doing this in New Zealand, Australia, African, South America and other parts of Asia. It is similar to the Japanese in China before the Sino-Japanese war, rather the European colonialism. We know the Chinese can and will protect their interests with military power. However the Chinese don't have enough people to colonize Africa. The only thing blocking the Chinese from doing this in Africa for decades was the South Africans and Rhodesians, now the Africans are buggered. Lol.

Blogger Ledford Ledford September 10, 2018 9:59 AM  

The fear of Chinese influence in Africa is partly the fear of the Chicoms squeezing out Western NGOs. Third world NGO gigs are sweet for SJWs. Huge relative wealth and little accountability. Vastly greater Sexual Market Value than in the home country.

The problem is "point and shriek" has little effect on Peking.

Blogger Solon September 10, 2018 10:00 AM  

So what would happen if Zambia were to say to China: "we're not selling our national assets, take your debt and shove it?"

China has three options in that scenario, as I see it:
1) shrug and say "oh well."
2) blockade and embargo
3) send in the troops and take it

I have to wonder if the US or Russia would intervene in scenarios 2 and 3. I suspect they would.

Boy, who would have thought that just as the Cold War is ending with Russia, we're going to have a new one with China over satellite states in Africa.

Interesting times we live in.

Blogger peacefulposter September 10, 2018 10:07 AM  

Third world NGO gigs are sweet for SJWs.

The Missionaries.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2018 10:07 AM  

"However the Chinese don't have enough people to colonize Africa."

That's a good one. Got any others?

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 September 10, 2018 10:10 AM  

Threatening an embargo on a poor country is kind of funny given they are to poor to afford most things and almost all luxury items are on the black market. How do you embargo mud-hut people? Sure major cities would have problems but the people as a whole would return to the past fare easier than Western's.

China would have to either glass the country side or face US/Russia back channel aid to Gorilla forces.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2018 10:10 AM  

"So what would happen if Zambia were to say to China: "we're not selling our national assets, take your debt and shove it?""

They won't, because the right wheels will be greased.

Blogger Looking Glass September 10, 2018 10:14 AM  

VD wrote:I guess the only open question is if China plans to depopulate & colonize the entire region, or just the key growing areas on the South & Eastern sections.

Considering that their Politburo approved a plan for 100 million colonists in Africa prior to "withdrawing" it in the face of Western disapproval, I suspect the former is the larger probability.


While I generally agree, 100 million would be rattling around in the area of South Africa up through Tanzania (which is where the growing regions are). South Africa + Botswana + Zimbabwe + Mozambique + Zambia (so the SE Coastal growing region) is 40% the size of China currently. The de facto Chinese Imperial Domain is actually larger than China itself.

They could afford to send 250 million, but building that infrastructure is going to take decades. Large groups of angry Chinese peasants isn't something anyone want to deal with, so they've got to improve the region a bit before moving large amounts of people in.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 10, 2018 10:19 AM  

The fear of Chinese influence in Africa is partly the fear of the Chicoms squeezing out Western NGOs.

Yes, I'm sure the NGOs were looking forward to further bankrupting the West to bail out starving Africa, while continuing to enjoy the child sex slavery and other side benefits of the job. Pretty rude of China to say, "Nah, you guys can go home, we got this." Although if China made a deal with the Cabal, as Looking Glass suggested above, they could leave areas low on natural resources for the West to aid, so they can keep their rackets going in exchange for staying quiet about what's happening elsewhere.

Blogger Looking Glass September 10, 2018 10:23 AM  

China has some "little green men" units, but without much of a Navy to speak of, yet, they'd have trouble protecting the Indian Ocean chunks of their new domains. Central Asian countries they can just drive tanks to, but Airlift & Sealift capacity issues are a big deal in modern military conflicts.

It will be interesting to see what happens when China needs to replace governments. I expect some pretty deadly failures in their first few attempts.

Anonymous Anonymous September 10, 2018 10:28 AM  

Gorilla forces?

That’s Raycisss!!!!

#HarambeLives
#HarambeLivesMatter

Blogger Johnny September 10, 2018 10:28 AM  

I forget the details, but so many years ago France seized a Latin American country, installed their own customs agents, and did debt collection. And so debt collection on a poor country can and has been done. I guess the French didn't want to own the place.

Africa is so lawless that the Chinese may not get what they want. The Africans win by creating a situation so out of control that nobody can win at anything.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2018 10:30 AM  

"so they've got to improve the region a bit before moving large amounts of people in."

You don't say.

Conveniently they've already got the Africans going into debt paying for some of those improvements.

Blogger Looking Glass September 10, 2018 10:36 AM  

@31 Damelon Brinn

There's some rumors out there about China making deals over natural resources over a decade ago, but China joined the IMF's SDR officially recently. That makes them part of the "Big Club" for economies. That doesn't happen without a lot of deals being made. Plus, the European Powers have mostly gotten out of the southern Africa "game" in the 1970s.

I think the basics of whatever the "deal" was included China having to actually get the resources out of Africa. Efficiently extracting resources from the region has been a long problem for the Elites, and the Chinese are probably more than willing to do it over the corpses of the entire region.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"so they've got to improve the region a bit before moving large amounts of people in."

You don't say.

Conveniently they've already got the Africans going into debt paying for some of those improvements.


Yup. They'll only be "taking possession of what they already own". I feel like there's some quotes from Proverbs that would be applicable here.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 10, 2018 10:38 AM  

I think English Tom has it right: you don't have to invade the country, you just have to make sure that you control the government. If the populace figures it out and slaughters your puppet government, you just buy off the new tyrant. As long as your colonial infrastructure is protected, the occasional peasant revolt in the colonies is just good, clean fun that keeps your puppets from setting up their own power base.

Does that sound familiar? Replace ``slaughter'' with ``election,'' and you have recent US history.

Blogger rumpole5 September 10, 2018 11:00 AM  

If the Chinese can civilize Africa to the point where native African birth rates match those of African Americanns in this country, then Ivam in favor of the endeavor.

Blogger Johnny September 10, 2018 11:00 AM  

>>If the populace figures it out and slaughters your puppet government, you just buy off the new tyrant...

Way back when, when there was widespread rioting in the black ghettos, our government was trying to discover the leadership behind the mob. Apparently there was none. The riots were spontaneous. Thus you couldn't take out the leader because there was none.

Now I may not be correct about this, so I am not going to go on about it, but the point I was making is that you can install a new tyrant only if it is possible for somebody to rule the place. Lacking civil order it does not matter who is the alleged ruler.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 11:01 AM  

@Johnny

The French also marched into the Rhineland in order to seize assets due to a default or inability to relay debt (or reparations).
Check out: War is a Racket by marine general Smedley Butler, who said his job was basically hired muscle for Wall Street.

Blogger Sillon September 10, 2018 11:02 AM  

Africa is so lawless that the Chinese may not get what they want. The Africans win by creating a situation so out of control that nobody can win at anything.

Except for the little fact that the Chinese will not have any scruples to remove the factor that makes the situation go out of control in the first place.

The key is not trying to use africans as cheap labor.

Anonymous Anonymous September 10, 2018 11:52 AM  

Depending on your objective.

The US installs a new mayor of Kabul, a new mayor of Bagdhad, even knowing they have two fifths of sweet f all control over the provinces.

They do it because these puppets sign the Status of Forces agreements that keep the permanent war going.

Blogger Nate September 10, 2018 12:22 PM  

It's not colonialism when china does it.

Blogger Silly but True September 10, 2018 12:23 PM  

I think a kindly old uncle related a parable once to Aunt Sally’s kid about a classic trickster folk tale about getting what you want in face of adversity.

As I recall a fox entraps a rabbit by using a sticky figurine. The rabbit gets stuck to it in five places – front and hind feet and head – after mistaking it for a real person and pummeling it for not replying to his polite greetings. Trapped but tactical as always, the rabbit begs the fox to roast, hang, skin or drown him but please not to throw him into the briar patch. Of course, the fox does precisely that, hoping to inflict maximum pain on his enemy, without knowing that rabbits are born and bred in thickets. The rabbit skips out as "lively ez a cricket in de embers" to live another day.

As I recall the fable is intended to highlight to people of all races and cultures to wary about a difficult problem that is only aggravated by attempts to solve it and the solutions offered by those entrapped within its snare.

Blogger Iron Spartan September 10, 2018 12:28 PM  

The Chinese strategy for Africa:

1) Find an influential warlord who is not the most powerful person in the area, but has a good following.

2) Promise and deliver guns/money/drugs/women if the takes care of your problem for you

3) wait for him to get to full of himself and start making demands of the Chinese

4) return to step 1.

This is such a natural cycle for much of that part of the world that the it nearly impossible to prove that the Chinese are the ones pushing the new cycle instead of it happening naturally.

Blogger Long Live The West September 10, 2018 12:31 PM  

As far as embargos go: It doesn't matter that 99% of the population lives in mud huts, the 1% need their toys.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella September 10, 2018 12:48 PM  

Can you think of a developed region with cannibals still walking around? They tend to get killed off,en masse. There's Papua New Guinea- no oil, no minerals- with a handful of cannibals that can get wiped out with one good flu season, and Africans. Mexico and South America have a very hard time maintaining the world's sympathy b/c (1) they did have cannibals and (2) the narco-violence is so theatrically awful.

Africa has cannibals. Cannibal warlords, cannibal witch doctors, cannibal restaurant owners. They also have minerals, cleared fields for crops, and big game. Asians don't seem to mind wiping out big game. Why would they mind wiping out cannibals?

They haven't apologized to their own citizens for the Great Leap Forward, or the one child policy enforcements. I mean, the sort of person who can abort an 8 1/2 month old pregnancy, and then drop the now delivered, quite viable baby into a boiling pot of water- and take a picture of the aftermath!!!- the boiled to death baby lying next to its mother!!!- is not going to blink over killing off 'human kudzu', especially when these humans do not look, or smell, or act, at all like the Chinese. They don't even like subcontinental Indians- they are repulsed by their overt sexuality, their swarthiness, their smelliness, their ignorance: exactly the sort of things that Africans represent to them, as well.

Blogger CarpeOro September 10, 2018 12:58 PM  

Don't overlook the idea of China "relocating" some of the people from the troublesome periphery of mainland China. Not large numbers or concentrated but dispersed in more prolematic areas. That way they bear the brunt of the danger and can be used as a disclaimer that they aren't simply replacing the population.

Blogger Long Live The West September 10, 2018 1:09 PM  

Somewhat hypocritical for the west to be against China sending people to africa. After all, I'm sure the Chinese will be more than happy to adopt African tradition and be just as Somalian as any native Somalian.

Why would they want to deny the benefits of immigration to those poor countries?

Blogger Doktor Jeep September 10, 2018 1:12 PM  

I could point out that roaring silence from the left when the Chinese start doing to Africans 10 times worse than that which any white settlers did.
But "pointing out" never worked with those people.
Considering the power that the Chicoms have over our quisling government, it would be feasible to assume that the plan is to put Africans in the west while the Chinese take Africa over.
And our media and academia will line right up to make it look humanitarian: " awwww look at these poor displaced Africans!"
Shitlord: "Hey, uh, have you looked into what's displacing them?"
Humanitarian:"RACIST!!!!!!!111!!!"

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella September 10, 2018 1:19 PM  

Can you think of a developed region with cannibals still walking around? They tend to get killed off,en masse. There's Papua New Guinea- no oil, no minerals- with a handful of cannibals that can get wiped out with one good flu season, and Africans. Mexico and South America have a very hard time maintaining the world's sympathy b/c (1) they did have cannibals and (2) the narco-violence is so theatrically awful.

Africa has cannibals. Cannibal warlords, cannibal witch doctors, cannibal restaurant owners. They also have minerals, cleared fields for crops, and big game. Asians don't seem to mind wiping out big game. Why would they mind wiping out cannibals?

They haven't apologized to their own citizens for the Great Leap Forward, or the one child policy enforcements. I mean, the sort of person who can abort an 8 1/2 month old pregnancy, and then drop the now delivered, quite viable baby into a boiling pot of water- and take a picture of the aftermath!!!- the boiled to death baby lying next to its mother!!!- is not going to blink over killing off 'human kudzu', especially when these humans do not look, or smell, or act, at all like the Chinese. They don't even like subcontinental Indians- they are repulsed by their overt sexuality, their swarthiness, their smelliness, their ignorance: exactly the sort of things that Africans represent to them, as well.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 10, 2018 1:46 PM  

I'm with Ariadne. Chinese give no fucks, never have.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 2:26 PM  

@Iron Spartan

Check out on Netflix: Beasts of No Nation Axfilm about wars in Africa that highlights your comments. It's also a very good film.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 10, 2018 2:43 PM  

Johnny wrote:Now I may not be correct about this, so I am not going to go on about it, but the point I was making is that you can install a new tyrant only if it is possible for somebody to rule the place. Lacking civil order it does not matter who is the alleged ruler.

That's a reasonable point. You might have to arm up a local strong man to slaughter his rivals in order to start the cycle.

Africa has few problems that can't be solved by killing more Africans.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 10, 2018 3:04 PM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:Can you think of a developed region with cannibals still walking around?
China. But in China, the cannibals are university educated professional.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 3:22 PM  

@B.J.

I don't think the Chinese will herd them into death camps. More likely biological agent's, although I think an induced famine, so the Africans have to kill each other to get food will be the preferred route.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 3:28 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd

Replace slaughter with election...

Yes. It is the same process but utilising different methods depending on where in the world it is happening.

Blogger Looking Glass September 10, 2018 3:30 PM  

@54 Ominous Cowherd

When this came up recently, I pointed out that when China moves to take over the medical industries in a country, that's when you know the ethnic cleansing will kick up. "Low quality Chinese Medicines" are going to have new meaning in the future, as it's a lot easier to deal with a population that's never born.

@55 Snidely Whiplash

Considering what the Western Elites are into, I think we can say that's already true here.


@56 English Tom

You want to grind the birth rate to a near halt before you do that. Even 2-3 years with TFR well below 1, then dropping a massive war about 15 years later will do most of the "trick". Chinese will play the long game with this. Maybe they'll higher the USDA to do the food guidelines, just to help.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 10, 2018 3:46 PM  

@38

"If the Chinese can civilize Africa to the point where native African birth rates match those of African Americanns in this country, then Ivam in favor of the endeavor."

The birth rate isn't what matters.
What matters is the rate of survival to reproductuve age.

I don't care if an African woman has 35 kids, as long as only 1 or 2 survive past the age of 10.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 3:49 PM  

@Looking Glass

Re: Low quality Chinese medicine.

That's a very scary thought!

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas September 10, 2018 3:54 PM  

The question isn't how the African leaders resist, it's which world powers fund the proxy wars.

Israel can't even shoot a few Palestinians without it causing an international incident but the Chinese will be able to ethnically cleanse all of Africa?

Not likely. They're spreading themselves way too thin and stepping on too many toes, without the military power and alliances to back it up.

It's going to blow up in their face quite spectacularly. Their current strategy simply isn't sustainable long term.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 10, 2018 3:55 PM  

Aspirin... now with ovotoxins!

Blogger Dirk Manly September 10, 2018 3:57 PM  

@63

"
Not likely. They're spreading themselves way too thin and stepping on too many toes, without the military power and alliances to back it up.

It's going to blow up in their face quite spectacularly. Their current strategy simply isn't sustainable long term."

And when it does, it will cause China go to into seclusion for at least another 400 years.

Blogger Johnny September 10, 2018 4:07 PM  

When it comes to running a province and disorder, I am reminded of Cyrus the Great sending in Ezra in the Bible. Never the cuck, when Ezra could not get his way using the less aggressive methods of persuasion, he "pulled hair on some and smote others."

Judah had fallen into disorder and became ungovernable, and for Cyrus sending in the religiously intense was the solution. Of course the likely problem Cyrus had was tax collection, and what the Chinese are likely to want, at least at first, is mineral extraction.

Blogger English Tom September 10, 2018 4:25 PM  

@Johnny

Lacking civil order it does not matter who is the alleged ruler.

This may be true and the country turned to shit, all that matters is control of the resources and the areas the resources happen to be in.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 10, 2018 4:28 PM  

Nikephoros II Phokas wrote:Israel can't even shoot a few Palestinians without it causing an international incident but the Chinese will be able to ethnically cleanse all of Africa?


What did all the world do when China invaded Tibet?
Fuck-all.

The Chinese are slowly depopulating western Xinjiang of Uyghurs, and forcibly "re-educating" Muslims. What is the world doing about it?
Fuck-all.

When China pays one warlord to kill the Hutu and another to kill the Tutsi, what will the world do?
Fuck-all.

Blogger Johnny September 10, 2018 5:01 PM  

If you are going to kill a real lot of people off it is a mistake to do it in a sensible way. That optimizes for getting blamed. Better to create difficult conditions so that a lot of them die of disease and stress and stuff like than. Also do it ineptly so your intentions are unclear. And then right at the end rescue a few of them, sort of like you didn't really mean it.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 10, 2018 5:04 PM  

@66

"The Chinese are slowly depopulating western Xinjiang of Uyghurs, and forcibly "re-educating" Muslims. What is the world doing about it?
Fuck-all."

For once, China is providing a service to the world.

Blogger Johnny September 10, 2018 5:33 PM  

@68

The big blow out fight, if there is one in the future, could be between China and Islam.

Blogger Nihil Dicit September 10, 2018 5:38 PM  

The Chinese have no compunction about going full Kurtz: "Exterminate all the brutes!"
Their history is overflowing with such events, against everyone up to an including other Chinese.

Solon's question about what CHina would do if the debtors said "Bugger off!" applies the same to the Western response is they do send in the troops. I find it difficulty to believe even the most hardcore virtue signaller is going to be able to sell the possible risk of global thermonuclear war over any part of Africa.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 10, 2018 6:56 PM  

"If the Chinese can civilize Africa to the point where native African birth rates match those of African Americanns in this country, then Ivam in favor of the endeavor."

The birth rate isn't what matters.
What matters is the rate of survival to reproductuve age.

I don't care if an African woman has 35 kids, as long as only 1 or 2 survive past the age of 10.


@59 Dirk Manly
Infant/child mortality rates are down below 10% even in the sh!tholiest parts of Africa. The whole continent is in the second stage of the demographic transition, with the exception of North and South Africa which are in the third.

And the Muslim Sahel (Boko Haram land) has been stuck in the second stage for decades. Let's hope it's not indefinitely.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella September 10, 2018 7:03 PM  

The Learned Elders of Wye, (vox day's post on this is a few years old) all decided to land on China, a few years ago. Then began the orderly transfer of factory machinery, manufacturing know-how, capital, and credit, to China. The cover story was how China was modernizing at such a brisk clip, while America was becoming stupid, backwards and anti-semitic. The man borrowing Spengler's skinsuit writes about this quite frequently: stupid Americans, except for the parts convenient to his family, such as fine schools and opera that is only accessible to wealthy tourists.

The main advisors for starving Chinese peasants to death in the Great Leap Forward Famine happened to be Jewish people who adopted Chinese names. A Twitter account that gets banned quite regularly, so I can't cite a name specifically, would post photographs of Mao and his not-Asian-at-all advisors. One ended up returning to a cushy professor emeritus post at a Lutheran college, which boggles my mind.

So, there are the factions who know what minerals lie under the African ground- mostly (((amsterdam mineral dealers))) , and we have the two greatest mass killers of the last century- Chinese and Jews- teaming up to take on Africa.

The question about international outcry assumes that there's an international order-maker- doubtful- and an outcrier- who would do that? The Economist is in the hands of the Rothschild bankers. It already leaves out crucial information in its stories. The EU is being overwhelmed by invaders. The churchmen, who usually move freely in disaster areas, are being bankrupted and discredited before our eyes. Would you donate to a church that has proven it might rape your child,it certainly covered the rape of your neighbors' children, on the off chance a strange missionary might complain that an African stranger is being mistreated in some fashion?

Blogger Anthony September 10, 2018 7:10 PM  

The Chinese will care of the imperial adventures go wrong and start costing people in China. Then the people of China will care real quick. Some, hoping for subsidies from the West, will protest about human rights, but really, they'll only care if their taxes or the price of an iPhone go up.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2018 7:23 PM  

People keep acting as if there will be public media outcry and international intervention to save Africa.

As of current trends, there won't be a peep in the media, and the international community will be helping to transport extermination supplies.

Blogger justaguy September 10, 2018 8:20 PM  

With the forecast for huge population growth in Africa, as well as China going gray before it gets much richer-- Africa sounds like a tar baby for China. China needs the resources but doesn't have the ability to maintain the sea lanes necessary for other continent resources. China needs expert population for itself as its population average quickly goes up and Africa will need the same to keep the billion or so new people complacent. Sounds like something to avoid.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas September 10, 2018 8:47 PM  

@66:

1. Right, because killing 1 million Tibetans or imprisoning 1 million Uyghers is clearly the same as ethnically cleansing countries with populations in the tens of millions. Not to mention that Tibet had only declared independence from China a few decades before.

2. The political reaction to "atrocities" is just that, political. There are much bigger political implications to a world power colonizing Africa in large numbers than to China retaking Tibet or killing religious extremists within their own country.

Especially when, as I pointed out, China is already stepping on a lot of toes, rapidly worsening their international reputation. The people claiming that there will be no reaction seem to have compartmentalized the observations that the neo-liberal world order is weakening and nationalism is on the rise. While China is still practicing an old, imperialist/globalist model and owes much of their current success to their Cabal backers, as someone else pointed out.

Is China’s economic warfare still going unrecognized? No. Is their political and industrial espionage? No. Is their infiltration of American institutions and their spread of propaganda? No. Yet you couldn’t even get most Westerners to acknowledge China as a threat a couple years ago.

I didn’t say China in Africa will start WW3, I said it would create proxy wars, which it will, as every attempt by world powers to occupy foreign territory has for the past 100+ years. It did in the Middle East, it did in Latin America, it did in Asia, and it will in Africa. And when you are fighting numerous proxy wars all over the world, which is a very real danger for China over the next decade or so, it doesn’t turn out positively, as we’ve seen time and time again.

3. Yes, the ol' pit one violent faction of savages against the other. It's so simple and foolproof that it couldn't possibly backfire.

Not only do you sound like a neocon, you seem to be completely ignoring China's many failed attempts to do just that in the 20th century. Ethnic Chinese also control the lion's share of every economy in Southeast Asia, yet China has poor relations with almost every one of those countries. They’re quite bad at turning economic into political success.

The Chinese are simultaneously expanding east into Japanese and Korean territory, south into Vietnamese, Filipino, Indonesian, and Malaysian territory, west into India and Africa, northwest into Central Asia (Russia's wheelhouse) and the Middle East, north into Siberia, all while threatening international trade lanes and fighting a trade war with the US.

And the Sino-Festishists want us to believe that's a good long-term strategy! How?

Somehow things that are widely seen as mistakes by the West are actually genius when the Chinese do it, simply because they're Chinese, I guess. There’s nothing left to do but sit back and wait for their successful invasion of Russia.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas September 10, 2018 9:09 PM  

On a related note, the top post on Reddit a few hours ago was a thread with 2,500+ posts talking about how much the Chinese cheat and lie.

It got memory holed minutes after making the front page, of course, but the comments reminded me of one of them there white soopremacist websites. There were some good ones about how their culture isn't compatible with ours. Heh.

Blogger tz September 10, 2018 9:54 PM  

This is why the Jewish USURERs (hey, Christians!, isn't Usury a serious sin?) were banned from owning property.

The Chinese will likely similarly find out the problem with grabbing collateral the hard way.

China can even send troops, but the merchants will - if lucky - be hanged from a lamp post instead of "necklaced" or something worse that South Africa has been perfecting.

Blogger eclecticme September 10, 2018 9:54 PM  

The US started the Spanish American war over a coal bunker explosion and escalated the Vietnam conflict over the Gulf of Tonkin. The US invaded grenada in part to 'rescue' American med students. The US destroyed Libya because of something Ghadaffi might do. The US entered WWI in part over a telegram from Germany to Mexico. We armed Jihadis in Syria because ... In sum, any excuse will do and there is little 'international outcry' that matters.

When Zulus attack the peaceful Chinese settlers and the Chinese come to their rescue that is as good an excuse as any above to kill lots of Africans. The Chinese mostly live in separate compounds that need defending but they need not take over the entire country. Mass starvation that occurs during the chaos is purely intentional.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2018 10:14 PM  

"because killing 1 million Tibetans or imprisoning 1 million Uyghers is clearly the same"

A million is a statistic, comrade.

Coincidentally, so is ten million, or a hundred million. Which also coincidentally is probably a smaller number than the number of their own people they killed in the Great Leap Forward.

"The political reaction to "atrocities" is just that, political."

It never become an "atrocity" in the first place if the media have no interest in it.

"Is their political and industrial espionage? No."

Wake me when someone actually even tries to put a stop to it.

"I didn’t say China in Africa will start WW3, I said it would create proxy wars, which it will, as every attempt by world powers to occupy foreign territory has for the past 100+ years."

You're a moron. What part of "it will be Chinese territory" do you not understand? They won't be occupying any foreign territory at all.

"Somehow things that are widely seen as mistakes by the West are actually genius when the Chinese do it"

You know, there's this thing called reading, you should try doing it before you spout your stupid mouth off. It's very simple. The (((Elites))) in the west do their deal by having the western governments guarantee their loans, so they get their profit indirectly out of the pocket of the people they rule when the foreigners default. China is not running a scam that destroys their own country. They're going to own that African territory under both national and international law.

"China can even send troops, but the merchants will - if lucky - be hanged from a lamp post"

They won't need to send troops, and if they do, they won't be hanging from lamp posts, and even if they theoretically could be, how many lamp posts do you think there are in Africa? Not many. You're trying to apply first and/or second world dynamics and response patterns to a situation that is only even called third world by feat.

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