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Saturday, September 29, 2018

Darkstream: Disney suicides Star Wars


From the transcript of the Darkstream:

So there was very, very disappointing news for Star Wars fans today just a few hours ago. Variety and some other entertainment news sources reported that the woman who is primarily responsible for the destruction of the Star Wars franchise, the ongoing destruction of the Star Wars franchise, has actually been signed to a three-year contract with Disney and apparently is still going to be in charge of the Star Wars movies. Now, I personally think this is fantastic news, I think this is wonderful news, because it means that there is a tremendous opportunity out there for those of us who are creating alternatives. If you look at what has been done with Galaxy's Edge, if you look at what we are in the process of doing with Faraway Wars, if you look at a lot of the other stuff that people are doing in a similar vein, this is an excellent opportunity for the Star Wars fans to find better and more worthy alternatives because it is now very, very clear that Disney is not going to fix what George Lucas broke.

In fact Disney is going to continue to make it worse. Disney is going to make Star Wars even more converged than it is. You might not think it's possible, but believe me it is. There's a good question, "Vox, why do they ruin everything?" They ruin everything because they don't understand anything. You have to understand that culture and technology and art, all of these things, are black boxes to SJWs. They do not understand what they are,  they don't understand how they work, they don't understand the nature of their appeal to other people. SJWs are essentially cargo cultists.

On a related note, John C. Wright provides some characteristically insightful observations in his ongoing critique of the latest generation of Star Wars movies:
The reason why I argue that this is objectively bad, mechanically bad, and not just a plot twist that happens not to please me is this:

There are three components to any criticism of art. One is to look at the mechanics of the art form, regardless of content. That is an objective matter. The poem either has fourteen rhyming lines or does not; if it is a thirteen line poem, or blank verse, good bad or indifferent, it is not a sonnet. The next component is a judgement call: did the artist achieve the effect he was attempting? Was the audience moved as he was trying to move them? The final is subjective reaction: did I like it? And why did I?

It is often said in the modern day that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, which, in effect, says there is only one component to criticism: the subjective one. Nonsense. A fair-minded critic could, for example, be no fan of horror movies, or even dislike the whole genre, and still be able to tell John Carpenter’s HALLOWEEN is well-made horror movie and Ed Wood’s PLAN NINE FROM OUTER SPACE is not. More to the point, he could tell that MY FAIR LADY is not a horror movie at all.

In this case, in story telling of any kind, in film or print, any plot point needs set up and follow through if it is to be emotionally satisfying.

Example: The set up for a character like Rick Blaine in CASABLANCA, or Han Solo in STAR WARS, who at first wants no part of the fight is to have him show his reluctance. Hence the scene in CASABLANCA where Rick looks on indifferently as Ugarte is arrested and executed; hence the line in STAR WARS where Han will not stir a foot to rescue the princess until he is reassured that she is rich. That is the set up. The follow through is the about-face: when Rick sends away the woman he loves, despite the personal cost to him, or when Han returns unexpectedly to swoop out of the sun and blast Vader’s pursuit-ship as it is closing in on Luke for the kill.

In this case, we saw the set up for Finn’s reluctance in this last film and in this one. He attempts to steal an escape pod, and is zoinked by a zoink-dwarf with a zoink-wand. The follow-through was the about-face and the noble sacrifice to save his friends. Except that the suicide run is said over the radio to be in vain: a pointless gesture. Either Finn would have destroyed the gun by ramming it, or not. If not, it is not a real about-face. It is just a wasted character trying to waste himself to escape this wasteland of a film. But if it would have worked, preventing the sacrifice (at the sacrifice of everyone else) prevents any follow-through on the character arc: he is still, through no fault of his own, back where Rick and Han started out.

Good, bad or indifferent is another matter. Whether you personally liked it or not is another matter. On an objective level, having an event that robs all the meaning out of the set up event, and then leads nowhere to nothing, is a mechanical error in story telling. Story telling consists of telling about meaningful events, not meaningless ones. Even if you want to tell a nihilistic story, whose point is that life is pointless, the story itself must be told in a pointed way, and the events in the story must be meaningful in order to carry the message to the audience, even if that message says that meaning is illusion.

Basically, the story telling is objectively bad when the character in a drama loses all dramatic potential. There is no more story here. What is our Token Stormtrooper now? He is a hero who fails to be heroic. No chance to try again was given, not in this film. If the self-centered cynic, like Han Solo or Rick Blaine, has a certain romantic glamor to him, a cool self-possession. But a flunked suicide? What has he got? He is neither selfish nor selfless. He has no personality at all. The character becomes nothing.

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28 Comments:

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 29, 2018 12:15 PM  

When Solo blew up in the wire, Bob Iger is alleged to have called a major pow-wow with a view towards firing Kathleen Kennedy and replacing her with a Big Hollywood Name.

The problem was then as it is now no one wants to take over as captain of the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg.

Star Wars IX was already in production, when Solo failed. Those resources and monies were already allocated and Iger was in no position to pull the plug without damaging Disney stock value, at a time he could least afford for it to be damaged, (the mega-merger with Fox dontcha know?).

Blogger James Dixon September 29, 2018 12:28 PM  

> SJWs are essentially cargo cultists.

Which is why they will never understand when usage of Linux begins dropping like a rock. They've followed all the forms, why isn't it working?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 29, 2018 12:45 PM  

In theory they were trying to make a female friendly Star Wars.

Except they couldn't even get that right.

For example Star Wars Forces of Destiny is straight to YouTube flash cartoon. There is a doll collection tie in.

It was supposed to be like Monster High. Except they had no idea why that was so successful at extracting dollars from the wallets of fathers of daughters.

They start out with a huge line up of dolls with enough market segementation to be assured of one sale and that is where the insidiousness begins.


Cataline the Elder: Okay, honey you can have one.


Catalina the Younger: But Daddeeee according to back of the box, Draculora's best friend is Mummygirl. I gotta have that one, so she doesn't get lonely.

C the E: Okay, okay but that's it.

Catalina: Daddeee, according to the back of the Mummygirl's box, she has a secretly likes the Werewolf boy. I have-to, have-to, have-to have that one.

C the E: That is the absolute last one.

Cataline: And the Werewolf girl is super mean to the other girls and plays tricks on them all the time.

C the E: So, you won't need that one, right?

Catalina: Are you kidding me?


My point is this. When you are trying to attract a girl audience the entire thing needs to be built around the social constructs of girls.

Having a girl that is great at everything without trying is just fine for that audience but they got wrong was everything else wrong.

Rey's enemy needed to be another girl who is even better at the Force with even less trying and looks more beautiful with no effort.

And everyone likes her better than Rey too.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 29, 2018 12:50 PM  

The character becomes nothing

As intended. Even a black guy can't be a hero now. In his critique, MauLer points out that TLJ doesn't subvert expectations in an interesting way as its fans claim; it just turns them into nothing. You wondered who Snoke is, where he came from? Nobody and nowhere, it doesn't matter. You wondered about Rey's parentage, why she's so strong with the Force? Her parents were nobody, she just is, it doesn't matter. Nobody is anyone or goes anywhere and nothing matters. No setup and no payoff, just stuff happens and then the movie ends.

Blogger Lovekraft September 29, 2018 12:58 PM  

o/t but new yt video of Linus Torvalds responding to COC entitled "Linus Torvalds Responds to the New Code of Conduct for Linux Developers".

Blogger Warunicorn September 29, 2018 12:59 PM  

It really is lazy writing, isn't it? To think the tripe was lauded by critics was enlightening on so many levels. Watching it myself had me in awe of its hamfisted stupidity. I want those 2+ hours back.

Blogger VD September 29, 2018 1:29 PM  

Get a new, shorter, and less vulgar handle, Bob.

Blogger Dave September 29, 2018 1:33 PM  

Poor J.K. Rowling can't diversity right:

http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/09/29/harry-potter-scribe-j-k-rowling-accused-of-racism-after-new-fantastic-beasts-the-crimes-of-grindelwald-trailer/

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 29, 2018 1:34 PM  

Bob would have to sacrifice his artistic integrity to do that.

Blogger Shimshon September 29, 2018 1:39 PM  

)))Kathleen Kennedy((( must get extra intersectional points in (((Hollywood))).

Blogger Dave September 29, 2018 1:41 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:In theory they were trying to make a female friendly Star Wars.

Except they couldn't even get that right.

For example Star Wars Forces of Destiny is straight to YouTube flash cartoon. There is a doll collection tie in.

It was supposed to be like Monster High. Except they had no idea why that was so successful at extracting dollars from the wallets of fathers of daughters.

They start out with a huge line up of dolls with enough market segementation to be assured of one sale and that is where the insidiousness begins.

Catalina: Daddeee, according to the back of the Mummygirl's box, she has a secretly likes the Werewolf boy. I have-to, have-to, have-to have that one.

C the E: That is the absolute last one.

Cataline: And the Werewolf girl is super mean to the other girls and plays tricks on them all the time.

C the E: So, you won't need that one, right?

Catalina: Are you kidding me?


Point taken, but there's a mix-up in your e's and a's, Cataline.

Blogger Greg Hunt September 29, 2018 1:41 PM  

"Rey's enemy needed to be another girl who is even better at the Force with even less trying and looks more beautiful with no effort."

Top Gun was a chick flick.

Blogger GammaCatch September 29, 2018 1:59 PM  

Well, it's really over now. They (The Leftists) even gave us an SJW Blade Runner sequel. I can't think of a single film or tv serial that I have any interest in watching. It's ALL been converged. I wonder how many other narrative media have been lost to time because they were hijacked by Leftists? If The West is not completely destroyed, I do not think things like Disney Star Wars (etc) will be held up as a warning, but forgotten. Just look at how many of Geobbles movies are in circulation now. Same deal. Propaganda from people that want to kill Western Culture does a double disservice as it co-ops cultural properties, because it takes them with it when it dies.

Blogger Some Guy September 29, 2018 2:11 PM  

The good news is that all the white, Christian males who used to be able to enjoy something to escape politics will now have no choice but to be consumed by it 24/7. Maybe that will get them to do something in the name of sanity

Blogger Unknown September 29, 2018 2:35 PM  

it's not lazy writing. it's propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soh-3jiHq4s

Blogger Warunicorn September 29, 2018 2:42 PM  

Beautiful on many, many levels.

Blogger Warunicorn September 29, 2018 2:51 PM  

If it's propaganda, it's absolutely terrible propaganda that makes no sense whatsoever, that's for sure. My eyes were rolling so much during TLJ I nearly got dizzy.

Maybe double-digit IQ idiots bought into these empty, nihilistic ideas but not anyone else with any common sense.

What's crazy is that it was *worse* than I thought it would be. That's no easy feat. The first 20 minutes alone had me cringing and facepalming.

Blogger Unknown September 29, 2018 2:56 PM  

who said propaganda is always effective?

Blogger Servant September 29, 2018 3:14 PM  

SJW aside the new blade runner was well executed. I enjoyed it.

And I've learned a lot about storytelling reading his wrights breakdown ofthe star wars movies, so they have that going for them. Also his Howard reviews are excellent.

Blogger tz September 29, 2018 3:30 PM  

Not so much a cargo cult, but one that worships the Devil, i.e. Satanists, but denying any belief. They worship the evil, the lies, and the ugly.

Juxtapose the latest Voxiversity on Art. The music is not merely the nihilism of white noise, it is the gut-wrenching horrible screech of car crashes with metal being crushed and ripped apart. The content isn't some great romantic love, or even some recognizable eros, or even mediocre pornography, it is two foul filthy creatures doing something resembling rutting. With the advertisers saying that is what is popular and desirable (I won't say "good and beautiful").

At least for the moment in Seattle and San Fran Shithole they don't consider the needles and feces on the sidewalk performance art but use steam cleaners.

When an ordinary person sees a pile of feces, their normal instinct is to want it cleaned up and the area sterilized or disinfected.

But this is really how SJWs see epic fantasy (and SF) - the more sublime and profound the more they want to their inverse disinfection, and dump feces upon it, if not reimagine it using only feces. (I think it was South Park's mr. Hankey which I'm actively trying not to remember at the moment. Imagine your favorite story redone using turd claymation).

Blogger tz September 29, 2018 3:42 PM  

Another thought struck me from "Out of the Silent Planet", where the archon of Mars notes the difference between Devine who is "broken" and merely wants riches, and Weston who is "bent" and is far more destructive because he will destroy everything in an ultimately futile attempt to implement his moral vision.

That is why the SJWs must not merely destroy to the point of nihilism. Broken people either suicide ore are satisfied giving up their humanity and turning into animals that use reason and speech to feed and give in to their instincts instead of mastering them. That can be the first stage and is why the Tech successes move from idealism to avaricious or lusty nihilism. They slowly die inside to not care for the true, good, and/or beautiful.

But that brokenness is not sufficient. They must become bent. They must defend with all the vehemence of the sophists and Pharisees some lie, demand a moral code that forces some evil behavior, and enshrines and promotes the ugliest "art" as the desire of the heart. I.e. not just to reduce Miss America to an essay contest, it must eventually grade the shortest hair, the heaviest mass, and the most unnatural skin surface coloing as what will win - and will end up at that point bringing back the string bikini and thongs. Bent, like their master.

As you may have noticed, SJWs mock and destroy their own. That is what happens in Hell - except for eternity.

Blogger Confederate Sun September 29, 2018 3:45 PM  

I believe this is relevant to this thread,if not, I understand.

A gaming site I used to visit was recently attacked by sjw and it was shut down. It was the complete antithesis of games media. You could discuss and express concerns about the obvious sjw pandering in games and in all entertainment. The powers at be could not allow any thought that did not support their narrative. It was constantly under attack and finally succumbed.

It is so ridiculous that a site cannot exist that dares to offer a counter pov to the insane sjw mantra that will never be satisfied.

One day it is statues, another day sites and eventually they will probably be knocking on people's doors. (I know this already happens in Germany and England)

Blogger Johnny September 29, 2018 4:34 PM  

I got off on Blade Runner 2049. Loved the visuals and took it as an otherwise good movie with a weak story line. I am mildly embarrassed that I didn't pick up on the SJW stuff.

What seems apparent to me is that the story should have been about the Harrison Ford character. Not more air time for Ford given his (alas) current age and condition, but make it more apparent that Deckard was back there somewhere causing trouble. That would be the beginning. Have the middle part more plainly dominated by the hunt for him. And the end would be his takedown. Instead we got all this oddball stuff, unnecessary to the story.

The replacing male characters with female characters is not about empowering women, it is about disempowering men. In creating a suppressed class, it is always the male half of the population that has to be put down. It is still about the men even when it seems to be about the women.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 29, 2018 6:38 PM  

@5 Lovekraft:

o/t but new yt video of Linus Torvalds responding to COC entitled "Linus Torvalds Responds to the New Code of Conduct for Linux Developers".

That's not Linus, he's clean shaven vs. this random neckbeard.

Blogger John S September 29, 2018 11:51 PM  

Kathleen Kennedy should not be the only one blamed for Star Wars crashing........ J J Abrams deserved much of the blame too. What you are seeing with Star Wars is basically a repeat of what happened to Star Trek once Abrams took charge. Abrams is great at reminding people why a franchise is great, but he does that by living off the past of the franchise rather than set a new story forward. Which is why all the talk about Abrams replacing KK only makes me laugh, things will only get worse under Abrams.

Blogger tublecane September 30, 2018 1:17 AM  

@12- It is commonplace to make fun of Top Gun for being gay, because of the volleyball, biting, afterburners, and whatnot. That fits better than chick flick, I think. Because the characters have the drive of men, it is about jostling to decide hierarchyhierarchy, and in the end they set aside rivalry to come together against a common foe.

Blogger Paul M September 30, 2018 6:09 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Nobody is anyone or goes anywhere and nothing matters. No setup and no payoff, just stuff happens and then the movie ends.

Which is why I don't enjoy Game of Thrones. When I was a teen I made the mistake of starting the Riverworld books by Philip Jose Farmer. At about the sixth book, I realised that this isn't really going anywhere.

Compare Lord of the Rings. Despite all its faults it is a story: it has a beginning, a middle, and an end.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia September 30, 2018 9:39 AM  

John C Wright wrote:

It is often said in the modern day that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, which, in effect, says there is only one component to criticism: the subjective one. Nonsense. A fair-minded critic could, for example, be no fan of horror movies, or even dislike the whole genre, and still be able to tell John Carpenter’s HALLOWEEN is well-made horror movie and Ed Wood’s PLAN NINE FROM OUTER SPACE is not. More to the point, he could tell that MY FAIR LADY is not a horror movie at all.

This.

"Quality" is a lot more objective than most people think. I am not a big fan of heavy metal, but is there any doubt that Iron Maiden makes high quality music? I'd never go out of my way to watch "Friends" but the few times I have seen it, I think, "Pretty dorky, but awfully clever."

"Taste" is subjective. "Quality" (or lack therof) is not.

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