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Monday, September 17, 2018

No deals

PANIC IN DC
D's offering to [KILL] sexual assault allegation v Judge K in exchange for immediate pullback of DECLAS.
POTUS: Judge K will be confirmed regardless…
Q
Interesting. I wonder what has the Democrats so worried about what they already know?
President Trump on Monday ordered the declassification of several key documents related to the FBI's probe of Russian actions during the 2016 presidential election, including 21 pages of an application for a renewed surveillance warrant against former campaign aide Carter Page, and text messages from disgraced FBI figures Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump had ordered the documents released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) and the Justice Department "[a]t the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency."

The documents to be declassified also include all FBI reports on interviews with Justice Department official Bruce Ohr and all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all other applications to surveil Carter Page.
Because they are obviously worried.
Schiff calls Trump's declassification move a "clear abuse of power," says: "I have been previously informed by the FBI and Justice Department that they would consider their release a red line that must not be crossed as they may compromise sources and methods." 
As if anyone takes those self-serving jokers and their self-serving warnings seriously anymore.

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91 Comments:

Blogger weka September 17, 2018 9:21 PM  

Please. If the scum can ask any bloke in his 50s about dated in high school then what they did five years ago is fair game.

They are clearly corrupted, as is the NZ media (VD the NZ Herald is the less converged paper here),who breathlessly report every accusation, regardless of how ridiculous.

Blogger Salt September 17, 2018 9:21 PM  

They want hardball. Trump's giving them hardball. They can't play hardball. All they know is the softball slow pitch.

Blogger MortemTyrannus September 17, 2018 9:23 PM  

I will never EVER get tired of winning! If only I was a fly on the wall of the swamp, watching them all piss themselves while they backstab each other on their way to the gallows.

Blogger Joeplanet September 17, 2018 9:26 PM  

Sitting up in my seat, looking up and down the rows for the popcorn vendor.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus September 17, 2018 9:28 PM  

What additional bottles will be uncorked leading up to the primaries? We may soon find out what Jeff Sessions has been doing quietly behind the scenes.

Blogger Wayne September 17, 2018 9:34 PM  

Trump has the only spine in the GOP.

Blogger Wild Ape September 17, 2018 9:34 PM  

They know that they can't block Kavenaugh. They offer nothing. They are just hoping that the God Emperor won't go there. Trump is showing the GOP how to win.

Blogger InformationMerchant September 17, 2018 9:35 PM  

Transparency is such a good weapon. Schiff's response is their only defence even though everyone remembers what a lie it was last time.

Blogger jb September 17, 2018 9:35 PM  

Q also said -

▶Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/17/18 (Mon) 19:43:37 No.256

PANIC IN DC

LYNCH talking.

Q


▶Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/17/18 (Mon) 19:47:05 No.257

PANIC IN DC

SESSIONS & HUBER WEEKEND MEETING(S).

Q


▶Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 09/17/18 (Mon) 19:54:01 No.258

PANIC IN DC

SESSIONS CLAS LETTER TO SC JUSTICES 1&2 RE: RECUSAL, UNRECUSAL, AND CLARITY RE: CONFLICTS BASED ON UNCLASSIFIED MATERIAL [TODAY].

HIGHEST COURT AUTHORITY APPROVAL

Q

Blogger Lance E September 17, 2018 9:40 PM  

Yes indeed, declassifying information vital to the public interest is an "abuse of power". We all know that only Political Professionals are qualified to know these secrets, for the same reason it's illegal for any of us to read WikiLeaks. It must be true because CNN said so.

Even the lolbertarians and cucks must recognize the stink of corruption behind statements like that. The question is... will Trump's own staff cooperate?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 17, 2018 9:45 PM  

Fry motherfuckers fry

This also gives Trump carte blanche to fire Wray, Rosenstein and Sessions.

Blogger James Dixon September 17, 2018 10:03 PM  

> "I have been previously informed by the FBI and Justice Department that they would consider their release a red line that must not be crossed as they may compromise sources and methods."

People do realize Session has to have agreed to this, right? So what was that about him and Trump feuding again?

> LYNCH talking.

Now that will be interesting if so. She's a direct link to Obama. "What did the President know, and when did he know it?"

Blogger Cetera September 17, 2018 10:06 PM  

This is the end of the beginning. We're moving intona new phase of battle. May God continue to keep our GEOTUS safe, and our enemies stupid.

Blogger The Greay Man September 17, 2018 10:07 PM  

Yes! These people are so evil

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 17, 2018 10:24 PM  

I thought we already knew Schiff was leaking from his committee, especially that time DJT Jr. appeared before them several months ago.

I remember when the tax bill was coming up for the vote, and the left and media were screaming as usual that it was going to starve poor minorities and poison puppies, and all the establishment flacks were predicting McCain and Flakey would block it. Anons said not to worry, they were had by the balls via dirt. They might make noise to please their media fans, but their votes were a lock. It sailed right on through. I haven't worried much about the Senate putting up any serious resistance since.

Blogger Lazarus September 17, 2018 10:30 PM  

PANIC IN DC = FIRE IN THE DISCO

Blogger dienw September 17, 2018 10:33 PM  

The link leads to an Access Denied page.

Blogger MichaelJMaier September 17, 2018 10:33 PM  

Lazarus wrote:PANIC IN DC = FIRE IN THE DISCO

BURN, BITCHES, BURN.... DISCO INFERNO!

Blogger Sim1776 September 17, 2018 10:36 PM  

Oh the schadenfreude of this release will be delicious on my popcorn. Does anyone else see the irony in Schiff's accusations?

Now if only this year's "October Surprise" is perp walks for the players in this little sedition play with an opening act of election interference. Q has been calling this for a while. Perhaps it is just me but it seems like a master plan is in place, complete with flow chart, and the Cabal tools just keep sticking their heads into the traps. I'm with Neon Revolt on the slow-walking. No way out indeed...

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 17, 2018 10:38 PM  

@17, It's working for me, but here's an archived copy in case: http://archive.is/yhgQh

If Lynch is talking, that gives them the meeting with Bill Clinton on the tarmack and shutting down the investigation of Hillary by turning it over to Comey to cover up. Maybe the wiretapping and the FISA stuff too; I can't remember who probably falsified those warrants, Lynch or Rice.

Blogger Solon September 17, 2018 10:43 PM  

Bullets are a waste of money for these scum, and a guillotine is too quick.

Rope is cheap, reusable, and, with any luck, doesn't kill them instantly, so they have several minutes to shit themselves while they swing.

A smart popcorn vendor could make a killing soon...

Blogger eclecticme September 17, 2018 10:55 PM  

This claim of protecting the redacted material has worn thin.

This may seem OT but not really. Miriam Carey was shot 5 times in her back and head through her back windshield in broad daylight in downtown DC by DC/fed cops. She was unarmed, black, and had her child in her rear seat.

Years later the atty for next of kin is still unable to obtain dash cam, body cam, or building security cam video footage of the shooting. They claim 'national security.' A still photo from a security cam was released, so the video exists.

The MSM went largely silent. WND covered it. No one cares.

Blogger jb September 17, 2018 11:07 PM  

To all Sessions haters . . .

Sessions has not been at all idle, quite the contrary - he helped VSG set the table for what is now unfolding before us. Note the last Q drop I listed in #9.

Stealth Assassin indeed!

Blogger IGnatius T Foobar September 17, 2018 11:26 PM  

To the D's, every day President Trump doesn't cave in and resign from office is an "abuse of power".

I'm so glad he's on our side.

Blogger pyrrhus September 17, 2018 11:27 PM  

@21 "Bullets are a waste of money for these scum, and a guillotine is too quick."

Indeed, time to start cutting that deficit. Everybody wants that, right?

Blogger pyrrhus September 17, 2018 11:27 PM  

Stick it to them, GE...

Blogger pyrrhus September 17, 2018 11:29 PM  

"They want hardball. Trump's giving them hardball. They can't play hardball. All they know is the softball slow pitch."

Dems must have forgotten that Jeb! didn't get the nomination.

Blogger justaguy September 17, 2018 11:29 PM  

The real problem is that I am not sure that the documents are easily read by the man on the street as a smoking gun. If there are no obvious transcripts showing obvious violation and ethics issues then it can be denied. If the guilt takes any amount of explanation--something beyond a very few simple sentences, then the media will create their own narrative and cover for the Dems. As long as the dems in congress hold their line waiting until they think they win in November- it becomes a big media say this and Fox and a few others says something else. Look at what has come out so far-- already extremely damaging if one takes time to go through all data. Media have covered for Dems so far-- so we have to see if there is anything that cannot be explained away by dem controlled media.

Lots of examples from 50s onward where left was caught red handed (pun intended) but dems just deny, deny, deny... McCarthy and blacklist still basically a term of the left for derision even though McCarthy was right. Look at OJ, George Zimmerman, etc. the left maintains the narrative against overwhelming evidence and media covers... So if it is complicated to show deep state guilt-- media will not care and either will the dems.

Blogger pyrrhus September 17, 2018 11:37 PM  

@17 Safari is denying access to the story, but Chrome is fine with it...

Blogger Lance E September 17, 2018 11:38 PM  

@justaguy blah blah blackpill

So what if the documents are complex. Alt-media will sort it out. Legacy media will completely ignore and try to memory-hole it no matter what. It's our job to make sure they don't succeed.

This isn't a spectator sport.

Blogger CoolHand September 17, 2018 11:45 PM  

@28 Are you CONCERNED, sir

Blogger ZhukovG September 17, 2018 11:51 PM  

@justaguy: The MSM no longer have a monopoly on 'The Narrative'. When President Trump correctly identified the MSM as an enemy of the American people it changed the entire context of the MSM's message.

Now, whether they understand the details or not, for increasing numbers of people anything the MSM does is automatically interpreted as the malevolent actions of a hostile power.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 17, 2018 11:52 PM  

justaguy wrote:If the guilt takes any amount of explanation--something beyond a very few simple sentences, then the media will create their own narrative and cover for the Dems.
TRanslation:
I know it looks like winning, guise, but really we're losing. YOU HEAR ME!!? We are ONLY allowed to LOSE!!
STOP BEING HAPPY!

Blogger GammaCatch September 18, 2018 12:03 AM  

28.

"Lots of examples from 50s onward where left was caught red handed (pun intended) but dems just deny, deny, deny... McCarthy and blacklist still basically a term of the left for derision even though McCarthy was right. Look at OJ, George Zimmerman, etc. the left maintains the narrative against overwhelming evidence and media covers... So if it is complicated to show deep state guilt-- media will not care and neither will the dems."

Spot on. What ever "Q" really is, they are necessary and like nothing I have ever seen. Just as VD calls it early, those guys do as well. Whenever they are wrong, as VD has said, it's important to have symbols, morale, etc. We MUST use The Left's tactics against them, with these in mind:

-Conservatism has failed. It has not conserved anything.
-"Libertarianism" has failed. Endless equivalency and permission leads to false equivalency and the Tower of Babel.
-Civic Nationalism has failed. Not EVERYONE can be an American, a Man of the USA and it's Culture.

With that in mind I, and you ought, read this: https://8ch.net/qresearch/welcome.html and what is behind it. As VD says with Mike Cernovich, just tune out what they are wrong about: Jews, their own importance, and the worship of "Newfag" as anything other than the tactic it is, which is not good nor just, by they way. But such is the price of arrogance, and perhaps brilliance.

Ulissies S. Grant may have fought for the wrong side and been a corrupt President....but he WAS the man for the job, and so may these people be. Just watch for that post whores and bottle moment when they reach for the scepter.

What you ought be CONCERNED about in this vein are men like Glenn Beck and Ben Shapiro. When everything is a 12 Step Program and endless exposition masks the substance. "Common Ground" and Sarcasm are the best they will draw to words from any tome.

Blogger lowercaseb September 18, 2018 12:09 AM  

Now we know why the GE wanted the ability to push announcements directly to our phones. Looks like he has plenty of content to push.

Thursday's test message should be a simple message to the deep state: U MAD?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 18, 2018 12:30 AM  

I just thought about that, b. What on God's Green Earth could Thursday's message be, with this fucning bombshell hitting.

Anonymous Anonymous September 18, 2018 12:31 AM  

I hope that offer really happened, because making it proves conclusively the source of the accusation.

But of course we will never know the particulars.

That’s why it’s important to be guided by principles.

Blogger Unknown September 18, 2018 1:02 AM  

21. Solon September 17, 2018 10:43 PM
Rope is cheap, reusable, and, with any luck, doesn't kill them instantly, so they have several minutes to shit themselves while they swing.


there's no 'luck' involved in that.

just don't drop them more than a couple of inches.

Blogger D. September 18, 2018 1:06 AM  

" If the guilt takes any amount of explanation--something beyond a very few simple sentences"

FU clown "we" know what down

Blogger Stilicho September 18, 2018 1:26 AM  

Donna Brazile to Lynch: sell dat white bitch out before she trade yo ass fo immunity.

Lynch: so there we were, on the tarmac, and Bill says "in return for killing the server investigation..."

We will see. In the meantime, the demoncrats are staring at each other, wondering who's already cut a deal...

Blogger SciVo September 18, 2018 1:34 AM  

Lance E wrote:Yes indeed, declassifying information vital to the public interest is an "abuse of power". We all know that only Political Professionals are qualified to know these secrets, for the same reason it's illegal for any of us to read WikiLeaks. It must be true because CNN said so.

Like feminism and lesbianism, socialism and technocracy will always be coterminus. Leftists cry "equality, equality" to distract from the fundamental scorn and contempt in thinking they know how to run your life better than you do.

Blogger Silly but True September 18, 2018 2:08 AM  

With all of the criminal and civil penalties under FISA for those involved in FISA abusing the process, US might just have to pass a law to seize all the black farms and turn them over to Carter Page to settle the debt.

Anonymous Anonymous September 18, 2018 2:30 AM  

Hillary, the quintessential SJW of our age, projects her character onto Trump, in the afterword of her losing apologia, calling him:

cruel, negligent, corrupt, dishonest, racist, and malevolent

Wow - is there anything he’s NOT guilty of?

The real stunner is, tho, that dems and media will swallow this idiocy entire.

Blogger Jack Amok September 18, 2018 2:37 AM  

Sessions has not been at all idle, quite the contrary - he helped VSG set the table for what is now unfolding before us. Note the last Q drop I listed in #9.

I've always prefaced my criticism for Snoozin' Jeff by saying I'll be really glad if I'm wrong. But the way I figure it, there's two possible reasons Trump hasn't fired Sessions yet.

a) Sessions has actually been doing the whole "silent assassin" thing behind the scenes and all the Trump-DoJ drama is Kabuki theater meant to product an October surprise.

b) Trump wants him gone but can't count on the Mopin' GOPes in the Senate to confirm anyone better as his replacement.

So, which is it? If the Republicans lose seats in November, especially if they lose control of the House, then we'll never know whether it was A or B, but we'll know Sessions was an absolute disaster.

If they hold or gain seats, and Sessions is replaced soon after as AG, then we'll know it was B and Trump was able to get traction with the post-midterm Senate to replace him.

If they gain seats and Sessions remains as AG, then it was probably A and I'll get to be happy about being wrong.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz September 18, 2018 2:40 AM  

On the totally related news: on Monday some shitheads downed a Russian warpane.
Dems will kill us all if Trump would not hurry up.

Blogger Zander Stander September 18, 2018 2:58 AM  

Prisoner's dilemma? Whoever snitches first wins. Usually this problem is viewed from the prisoner's perspective. Somebody thought from the cop's side. Then the cops always win. Brilliant.

Anonymous Anonymous September 18, 2018 3:39 AM  

The French were firing missiles at the time but claim it was Syrian artillery fire.

Maybe I’m ignorant of military hardware but I wasn’t aware of any artillery being credibly used against aircraft.

Hitting one by mistake would be a massive coincidence - far beyond the bounds of our credibility were the roles reversed.

Blogger Trinian September 18, 2018 3:53 AM  

When the documents are declassified, will there be any redactions? Or does declassification imply the whole document with no redactions?

Also Ulysses S. Grant was not corrupt. He was an honest man who was too loyal to corrupt subordinates.

Grant was on the right side of the war, not the wrong side.

Blogger Eagle Elk September 18, 2018 4:54 AM  

MOre unrelated news..... bad news

Reply
Dennis Leonard says:
September 18, 2018 at 3:43 am

Here is some more stuff to think about,will not take long at this rate,

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/cargill-pays-1-5m-to-muslim-refugees/

Colorado: Meatpacker Cargill pays $1.5M to Somali Muslims who refused to work
September 17, 2018 / creeping

This was not a prayer dispute, it was Muslim supremacists who were fired after walking off the job and demanding more sharia prayer time rather than doing the work they were hired to do.

A big U.S. meatpacker has agreed to pay $1.5 million to 138 Somali-American Muslim workers who were fired from their jobs at a Colorado plant after they were refused prayer breaks, a federal anti-discrimination agency said Friday.

Liked by you

Blogger Noah B. September 18, 2018 5:02 AM  

"Syrian artillery fire" could be Pentagon speak for a US-backed hajji firing a missile. Also, it's a relatively new thing AFAIK but some artillery platforms do useguided anti-aircraft projectiles. Note the relatively short range for this system, but the same guidance tech could probably be used in larger artillery.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 18, 2018 5:59 AM  

The hand of God Almighty is on Trump. WWG1WGA. 40 days and 40 nights, The Storm will run to completion.

Blogger Dox Day Teddy Spagetthhi September 18, 2018 6:26 AM  

No Deals!

Declassify away!

(Don't forget the wall and deportation.)

POTUS 2020 Win, win, win, win.



That lying Ford woman, like calling half of America deplorable by HRC 2016, making false absurd allegations doesn't work anymore b/c of the left, where was Ford during Kav's work with Ken Star - nowhere. She is a liar, its even funnier she turned to Wash PO, Sen. Diana "turn your guns in Mr. and Mrs. America" Feinstien, where's Gloria Alred.

Crazy Christine and this media should be ashamed giving this nonsense time. Her psych experiments are appalling lies and yet people will be stupid enough to believe her cuz CNN alleges.

And yet this woman is teaching young people at some loser left coast college, you women make it worse for actual survivors of certain encounters. You women are nothing but stupid herd witches in idiot pink hats making fools of yourselves at marches.

All over one appointment, people are dumb enough to believe Kav. is a threat, all lies.

The chickification of the SCOTUS is going to end, Ruth is 85, Soto and Kagan are useless poor excuses for jurists.

Schumer, Cuomo (media), "stop the hammering" Lawrence ODonnell (media) should be ashamed, America was listening to those hearings.

Carolina reaper powder over my popcorn, check.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume September 18, 2018 7:22 AM  

@52

"where's Gloria Alred."

I thought the same thing.

If she won't touch it, you know there's nothing.

Personally, I think Feinstein botched this because she mistranslated her orders from the original Chinese.

Chinese can be tricky.

Blogger Unknown September 18, 2018 7:39 AM  

48. Trinian September 18, 2018 3:53 AM
Grant was on the right side of the war, not the wrong side.



the 10th Amendment says you're lying.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 18, 2018 7:44 AM  

If Dryhumpgate is a crime then her electronic media comms are evidence, but I'm no lawyer of course.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 8:07 AM  

> This claim of protecting the redacted material has worn thin.

As Neon has pointed out, the government can't use classification to hide a crime.

> What on God's Green Earth could Thursday's message be,

This is a test. This is only a test. :) That will be enough to make some of them catatonic.

> In the meantime, the demoncrats are staring at each other, wondering who's already cut a deal...

There is no honor among thieves.

> When the documents are declassified, will there be any redactions?

My understanding is no.

> Grant was on the right side of the war, not the wrong side.

We'll simply have to disagree about that.

Blogger Attila is my bro September 18, 2018 8:26 AM  

Document release aimed at huwites with enough brain voltage to sort things out. Relaxez vous. Brown's can't read and aren't on our team anyway so it doesn't matter how complex it is. Even if it was plain English, named names, smoking gun with a video from 8 different angles and professional lighting, the (((media))) would still spin it out of reality.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 8:43 AM  

> the (((media))) would still spin it out of reality....

Of course they will. But it won't matter. No one believes them any more. Not even their own side.

Blogger Didas Kalos September 18, 2018 9:04 AM  

Go away. You are worse than CNN.

Blogger Crew September 18, 2018 9:38 AM  

Project Veritas dropping stuff as well:

https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/09/18/deep-state-unmasked-state-department-on-hidden-cam-resist-everything-i-have-nothing-to-lose/

Although, weak sauce compared with what POTUS has coming down the pike!

Blogger Theo C. September 18, 2018 9:38 AM  

The new rule should be that when you are dealing with Democrats, there is NO SUCH THING as an abuse of power.

Whatever you have power to do that harms them should be done, and considered completely legitimate.

Blogger Robert Coble September 18, 2018 10:08 AM  

So the Dems hold out a "kill shot" against Kavanaugh for months without telling anyone else on the Judiciary Committee.

THAT is prima facie evidence of the Deep State modus operandi AND collusion between Deep State operatives - holding damaging information over the "enemy" with a threat of "exposure." It also exposes which politicians are Deep State players or solidly locked into the Deep State cabal.

Funny how Miss Lindsey Graham starts making noises about delaying Kavanaugh's appointment vote as soon as this trash story becomes public. Thankfully McStain is no longer able to run before the cameras to demand that the hearings stop and Kavanaugh must remove himself from consideration. Can you even imagine what a great SC Justice Kavanaugh will be?!?

Blogger Silly but True September 18, 2018 10:26 AM  

Triple A. “Ack Ack.” Note that the third “A” in term “anti-aircraft artillery” is “artillery.”

Our F-117 Stealth Fighter was believed to have been shot down in Yugoslavia in part by (anti-air) artillery along with possible SA-6 strikes near Budjenovci in March 1999 four days into the war. Part of what the Serbians (Russians) allowed people to see of the wreckage were bullet holes in its wings. Russians in their statement confirmed SA-6 strike and noted presence of heavy AAA active as well.

Blogger Trinian September 18, 2018 10:26 AM  

bob kek mando - ( Heterosexuals Live Life On The Easiest Reproductive Setting ... which means that the entire world will be OPPRESSIVE until the Law requires everyone to have a sex change ) wrote: the 10th Amendment says you're lying.

The sentence, “Grant was on the right side of the war, not the wrong side.” is a statement of opinion and thus cannot be a lie. It may be an uninformed opinion. It may be an opinion completely divorced from reality. But it is an opinion and isn’t a lie.

The tenth amendment is “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The idea that a state has the right to unilaterally secede from the U. S. is questionable and debatable and, in my opinion, wrong.

However, I do not think this comment thread is an appropriate place for this discussion.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 10:36 AM  

> So the Dems hold out a "kill shot" against Kavanaugh for months without telling anyone else on the Judiciary Committee.

More like years. The word is they had it in reserve if Romney won in 2012 and appointed Kavanaugh.

> However, I do not think this comment thread is an appropriate place for this discussion.

You're the one who brought it up.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 18, 2018 11:05 AM  

Trinian wrote:The sentence, “Grant was on the right side of the war, not the wrong side.” is a statement of opinion...

Grant was on the side of the Empire which destroyed the Founder's Republic. If you don't like the American Republic, you would think Grant was on the right side of that war.

Blogger Hammerli 280 September 18, 2018 11:48 AM  

If Loretta Lynch has decided to turn State's Evidence, both Clintons and Obama are in serious trouble.

Slight change of topic: As things develop, it will be important to keep the scandals separate. The way I see it, there are four separate criminal conspiracies. The conspirators may overlap, but the crimes are separate. Those conspiracies are:

1. Hillary Clinton's willful mishandling of classified materials. Almost certainly for criminal purposes (bribery or espionage), but the mishandling was definitely deliberate.

2. The obstruction of justice by the FBI and others, who ran interference to prevent proper investigation and prosecution of Hillary Clinton for willful mishandling of classified information (and other crimes).

3. The conspiracy by the Clinton campaign, the FBI, DOJ, and others (Susan Rice definitely, Obama probably) to surveil the Trump campaign, using fraudulent national security claims to do so under color of law.

4. The seditious conspiracy by the FBI, DOJ, and others to interfere with President Trump executing his duties as President and ultimately overthrow the Government of the United States.

We can expect the Dems to try to get these separate conspiracies confused in the public mind. We saw that trick used in the late 1990s, when they used the various Clinton scandals to obscure each other. See through the lies, help other people to see through them.

Blogger SciVo September 18, 2018 12:36 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:We can expect the Dems to try to get these separate conspiracies confused in the public mind. We saw that trick used in the late 1990s, when they used the various Clinton scandals to obscure each other. See through the lies, help other people to see through them.

One thing that might help is having a catchy name for each one. I hate -Gate, because that's just Boomer solipsism; -Con would be good, as it could stand for either Conspiracy or Confidence Game (both of which apply).

1. GhettoEmailCon
2. DoJObstruction
3. CampaignSpyCon
4. DerpStateCoup

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 12:56 PM  

Oh, there are more than that, Hammerli280. Clinton's use of the State Department as a fund raising tool is only the tip of the iceberg on her other activities. And Obama has skeletons of his own, including Fast and Furious and the IRS shenanigans wrt the Tea Party. And we won't even get into his questionable citizenship status, about which Trump can now confirm one way or another.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 18, 2018 1:08 PM  

@21

"Bullets are a waste of money for these scum, and a guillotine is too quick.

Rope is cheap, reusable, and, with any luck, doesn't kill them instantly, so they have several minutes to shit themselves while they swing."

Now I understand why in the middle ages, some people were condemned to die by burning at the stake.

As the pizza cannibalism/witchcraft comes out, people will start demanding it as appropriate, and NOT in violation of the Cruel & Unusual clause (after all, there is hundreds of years of precedence in the English Common Law).

Blogger Dirk Manly September 18, 2018 1:12 PM  

@23

"Bullets are a waste of money for these scum, and a guillotine is too quick.

Rope is cheap, reusable, and, with any luck, doesn't kill them instantly, so they have several minutes to shit themselves while they swing."

My assumption is that anybody working directly for Trump for more than a month or two is doing exactly what Trump wants him to be doing, or else Trump would have fired/requested his resignation.

Sessions has been there for 18 months, and Trump hasn't made any move to fire him... therefore, whatever Sessions is doing, it's exactly what Trump wants done... and is part of draining the swamp, and converting it into farmland.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 18, 2018 1:16 PM  

@28


"The real problem is that I am not sure that the documents are easily read by the man on the street as a smoking gun. If there are no obvious transcripts showing obvious violation and ethics issues then it can be denied. If the guilt takes any amount of explanation--something beyond a very few simple sentences, then the media will create their own narrative and cover for the Dems."

The explanation to the uninformed is simple:

If there's no methods and sources revealed, then the the obvious question is this: If everything with the FISA warrants to SPY ON POLITICAL CANDIDATES were on the up and up, why is the FBI hiding the names of these people in the first place?

There's only one answer -- "they wouldn't"

Blogger Dirk Manly September 18, 2018 1:24 PM  

@40

The Dem's are caught in the prisoner's dilemma, and the only way for a team win is for NOBODY to talk.... So, the question is, do you try to salvage a team-win by limiting the damage through silence, or do you try to limit your own personal losses by telling everything you know?

Such quandries.

The Prisoner's dilemma is hard enough with only 2 people and one crime. It must be pretty hairy with hundreds of people and thousands upon thousands of crimes.

Blogger Hammerli 280 September 18, 2018 2:09 PM  

@69 James Dixon: Oh, there certainly are more, I was merely referring to the conspiracies at hand.

The illegal surveillance operation reeks of a polished attack...and I would bet it's not the first time. A search of FISA warrants for 2016 would probably turn up more targeting of the Trump and Cruz campaigns, a search for 2012 reveal targeting of the Romney campaign...and a search for 2000 an effort against Bush the Younger.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 18, 2018 2:27 PM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:The French were firing missiles at the time but claim it was Syrian artillery fire.

Maybe I’m ignorant of military hardware but I wasn’t aware of any artillery being credibly used against aircraft.

Hitting one by mistake would be a massive coincidence - far beyond the bounds of our credibility were the roles reversed.

Air Defense Artillery is a thing.

James Dixon wrote:> This claim of protecting the redacted material has worn thin.

As Neon has pointed out, the government can't use classification to hide a crime.

This is hammered in on all the Army Death By PowerPoint briefings. In fact, using it that way makes it conspiracy, potentially 'poisoning' the entire pool of those who have knowledge of it (and possibly even access) and don't report it up their chain of command.

However, I'm fairly certain that there's stuff in classification precisely because it would be embarrassing to the US or, perhaps more significantly, certain political figures.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 3:11 PM  

> @69 James Dixon: Oh, there certainly are more, I was merely referring to the conspiracies at hand.

Fair enough. I am duly chastised.

> However, I'm fairly certain that there's stuff in classification precisely because it would be embarrassing to the US or, perhaps more significantly, certain political figures.

Sure, but embarrassing and criminal are different kettles of fish.

Blogger Gospace September 18, 2018 3:12 PM  

Re: links not working

I've long since found that links to Foxnews never work. Solution is simple. Copy URL, open new tab, paste URL and go.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 18, 2018 3:37 PM  

"The idea that a state has the right to unilaterally secede from the U. S. is questionable and debatable"

Not even slightly. The power to secede was neither granted to the fed nor restricted by the states at that time. It was a blatantly illegal. The only real question is whether or not it was the right thing to do, and judging by how many people have been raised on pure propaganda about the entire affair, it was most likely the wrong choice.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 18, 2018 3:39 PM  

And I mean that stopping other states from seceding was illegal. Control of secession was, as a power neither granted the fed nor restricted to the states, indirectly designated as a state's own prerogative.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 18, 2018 3:45 PM  

@57

"Personally, the thought of Kagan and Soto swinging from the executioners noose gives me warm fuzzies."

They would paste R heads over D subjects, like in some video meme, and then claim that the odd appearance of th heads (like not turning naturally) is because the R's are lizard-people or something.

Blogger SirHamster September 18, 2018 4:06 PM  

Entire Grant and Civil War discussion because of an offhand comment by GammaCatch who thinks he needs to correct "Q's main page" on "Jews, their own importance, and the worship of "Newfag"".

What does Grant and the Civil War have to do with these Q posts? Don't fall for (((distractions))).

Resident Moron™ wrote:Maybe I’m ignorant of military hardware but I wasn’t aware of any artillery being credibly used against aircraft.

Someone else unpacked AAA. Original AA defenses were guns shooting shells into the air. The famed German 88 guns were Anti-Air flak dual-purposed into anti-tank artillery.

If it can take down a WWII bomber, it'll still damage a modern warplane ... if the shell hits.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 18, 2018 4:58 PM  

>The tenth amendment is “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

>The idea that a state has the right to unilaterally secede from the U. S. is questionable and debatable and, in my opinion, wrong.

The Declaration of Independence (which is considered a legal document for arguments in the Supreme Court) is based on the idea of secession being a right.

On the other hand, the Declaration ALSO holds the idea that having two classes of people with different legal status AT BIRTH is wrong. It doesn't speak to slavery directly, but the idea of being born into slavery, and thus having a lower set of legal rights, is anethema to the Declaration.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 5:14 PM  

> On the other hand, the Declaration ALSO holds the idea that having two classes of people with different legal status AT BIRTH is wrong. It doesn't speak to slavery directly, but the idea of being born into slavery, and thus having a lower set of legal rights, is anethema to the Declaration.

The greatest sin of US slavery was that the status of a slave as property could be inherited.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 18, 2018 5:15 PM  

And that was by a court decision.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 18, 2018 6:35 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> However, I'm fairly certain that there's stuff in classification precisely because it would be embarrassing to the US or, perhaps more significantly, certain political figures.

Sure, but embarrassing and criminal are different kettles of fish.

In this case, no. Using the classification-system to hide embarrassing things is criminal, by virtue of abusing the classification system. (This creates a bad catch-22 insofar as whistle-blowers go: if something is improperly/illegally classified like that, how do you report it?)

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 7:16 PM  

> In this case, no. Using the classification-system to hide embarrassing things is criminal, by virtue of abusing the classification system.

I'll have to take your word for that. My knowledge of the classification system is well out of date and never went that high. I do appreciate the correction.

> ...if something is improperly/illegally classified like that, how do you report it?)

To your supervisor or higher in command. And so on, up to the top. At least, that would be the official method. We both know how well that's likely to work.

Blogger van helsing September 18, 2018 7:32 PM  

secession was, and remains legal. the money power doesnt like that, however, that's why the war was fought and history mangled to say secession was illegal.

Blogger GammaCatch September 18, 2018 11:33 PM  

81. SirHamster

It's all connected, of course. Question with Boldness.

Blogger steve brown September 19, 2018 12:53 AM  

Before reading the other 88 comments, this is what I think Trump should do. Call the 6 top Ranking members to the White House, show them what goods the WH has on them, and then ask that they vote for Kavanaugh, or be arrested. Either way, no deals, declas off the table.

Just watched Rachel Maddow interview Hillary. William Safire stated in a NYT editorial in 1996, https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/08/opinion/essay-blizzard-of-lies.html, that she was a congenital liar. He was correct and she is being true to her nature.

Blogger Russell Newquist September 19, 2018 2:09 AM  

@63

Triple A. “Ack Ack.” Note that the third “A” in term “anti-aircraft artillery” is “artillery.”

Patriot, Hawk, THAAD and other ground-to-air missile systems are classified as Air Defense Artillery Battalions/Batteries by the US Army. Someone simply using the term AAA in 2018 does not in any way confirm that actual old-fashioned artillery was used.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 19, 2018 1:00 PM  

Regardless, anti-aircraft weapons are considered artillery.

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