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Friday, September 28, 2018

Trust not in personality

Because in the end, a cuck is always going to cuck, because nothing, literally nothing, is more important to him than not being identified as one of the SJW-denominated "bad guys":
In an exclusive email to the BBC, Mr Torvalds shared his thoughts on his decision to temporarily step aside, the controversy behind the CoC, and the defects of the community he set up.

"So I've obviously long been on record as wanting to deal with the technical side, and not really wanting to get involved in most other discussions.

"Because technology is what I have always found interesting. People? Not my forte. Never has been, clearly. If you watched that TED talk, you'll know I wasn't a people person even as a child.

"And if you have read any of the recent stories, you will now know at least one other reason why I've wanted to stay away from that whole discussion. Because it's not just my lack of people skills. It's the discussions themselves.

"The advantage of concentrating on technology is that you can have some mostly objective measures, and some basis for agreement, and you can have a very nice and healthy community around it all. I really am motivated by the technology, but the community around Linux has been a big positive too.

"But there are very tangible and immediate common goals in any technical project like Linux, and while there is occasionally disagreement about how to solve some particular issue, there is a very real cohesive force in that common goal of improving the project.

"And even when there are disagreements, people in the end often have fairly clear and objective measures of what is better. Code that is faster, simpler, or handles more cases naturally is just objectively 'better', without people really having to argue too much about it.

"In contrast, the arguments about behaviour never seem to end up having a common goal. Except, in some sense, the argument itself.

"Have you read the Twitter feeds and other things by the people who seem to care more about the non-technical side? I think your 'hyped stories' is about as polite as you can put it. It's a morass of nastiness. Instead of a 'common goal', you end up with horrible fighting between different 'in-groups'.

"It's very polarising, and both sides love egging the other side on. It's not even a 'discussion', it's just people shouting at each other.

"That's actually the reason I for the longest time did not want to be involved with the whole CoC discussion in the first place. That whole subject seems to very easily just devolve and become unproductive. And I found a lot of the people who pushed for a CoC and criticised me for cursing to be hypocritical and pointless. I could easily point you to various tweet storms by people who criticise my 'white cis male' behaviour, while at the same time cursing more than I ever do.

"So that's my excuse for dismissing a lot of the politically correct concerns for years. I felt it wasn't worth it. Anybody who uses the words 'white cis male privilege' was simply not worth my time even talking to, I felt.

"And I'm still not apologising for my gender or the colour of my skin, or the fact that I happen to have the common sexual orientation.

"What changed? Maybe it was me, but I was also made very aware of some of the behaviour of the 'other' side in the discussion.

"Because I may have my reservations about excessive political correctness, but honestly, I absolutely do not want to be seen as being in the same camp as the low-life scum on the internet that think it's OK to be a white nationalist Nazi, and have some truly nasty misogynistic, homophobic or transphobic behaviour. And those people were complaining about too much political correctness too, and in the process just making my public stance look bad.

"And don't get me wrong, please - I'm not making excuses for some of my own rather strong language. But I do claim that it never ever was any of that kind of nastiness. I got upset with bad code, and people who made excuses for it, and used some pretty strong language in the process. Not good behaviour, but not the racist/etc claptrap some people spout.

"So in the end, my 'I really don't want to be too PC' stance simply became untenable. Partly because you definitely can find some emails from me that were simply completely unacceptable, and I need to fix that going forward. But to a large degree also because I don't want to be associated with a lot of the people who complain about excessive political correctness.

"Am I turning into some cuddly people person? I'll admit that sounds very unlikely. I still care about the technology, and I'm still not exactly the most empathetic person. But I'm hoping I can at least 'fake it until I make it'. Part of that 'faking it' is definitely going to be a filter on my outgoing emails, but as mentioned, I'm actively also trying to find a professional therapist to talk to as well.

"Will everybody be happy? No. People who don't like my blunt behaviour even when I'm not being actively nasty about it will just see that as 'look, nothing changed'. I'm trying to get rid of my outbursts, and be more polite about things, but technically wrong is still technically wrong, and I won't start accepting bad code just to make people feel better about themselves.

"But if people at least realise that I'm not part of the disgusting underbelly of the internet that thinks it's OK to show the kind of behaviour you will find if you really have been reading up on the 'discussions' about the code of conduct, then even that will be a really good thing.

"And again - the above is just my explanation of why I applied the CoC even if there is obviously discussion about it. We will have the maintainer summit in Edinburgh next month, and we'll talk about this issue a lot more.

"In the meantime, I'm taking a break from the kernel and probably shouldn't talk to journalists."
There are the three key phrases that explain his previously inexplicable actions:
  • I absolutely do not want to be seen as being in the same camp as the low-life scum on the internet that think it's OK to be a white nationalist Nazi, and have some truly nasty misogynistic, homophobic or transphobic behaviour. 
  • I don't want to be associated with a lot of the people who complain about excessive political correctness. 
  • I'm not part of the disgusting underbelly of the internet....
Never trust a nerd to stand his ground. No matter what principles he espouses, no matter how tough he talks, at the end of the day all he really wants is to be accepted by the popular people. "Asbestos underpants" should never be confused with actually possessing iron balls and integrity.

Torvalds has destroyed his tech legacy, and he did it for less than nothing. What a contemptible, cowardly action. I have little doubt he'll eventually come to regret this, but by then it will be too late.

It shouldn't be a surprise that Torvalds failed to protect his tech legacy. The man failed his daughter too.
You were active in the Feminism Club at your high school. What did you learn from that experience? What feminist issues are most important to you now?

My friend and I co-founded Feminism Club at our high school late in our sophomore year. We did receive lots of resistance to the club at first, and while that never entirely went away, by the time we graduated feminist ideals were absolutely a part of the school's culture. The feminist work we did at my high school was generally on a more immediate scale and focused on issues like the dress code.

Personally, I'm very focused on intersectional feminism, which is feminism as it applies to other aspects of oppression like racism and classism. The Facebook page Guerrilla Feminism is a great example of an intersectional feminism and has done so much to educate me. I currently run the Portland branch.

Feminism is also important to me in terms of diversity in tech, although as an upper-class white woman with strong connections in the tech world, the problems here affect me much less than they do other people. The same goes for my involvement in intersectional feminism. Publications like Model View Culture are very inspiring to me, and I admire Shanley Kane so much for what she does.

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53 Comments:

Blogger JACIII September 28, 2018 5:09 AM  

There was something floating around that his daughter was part of this. The only proper response to SJW villany is Shermanesque destruction.

"But, Daddy, they say you are a Nazi! My friends unfriended me on Facebook!"

Blogger Don't Call Me Len September 28, 2018 5:15 AM  

"But if people at least realise that I'm not part of the disgusting underbelly of the internet that thinks it's OK to show the kind of behaviour you will find if you really have been reading up on the 'discussions' about the code of conduct, then even that will be a really good thing."

That has to be one of the most pathetic and convoluted pleas for understanding ever vomited forth upon the internet, and that's a very crowded field.

Blogger The Kurgan September 28, 2018 5:26 AM  

Life is simple when you look at the big picture:
1. There are only two types of people - honest ones and liars
2. There are only two types of emotions - love and fear
3. There are only two types of men - those who fear women and those who don’t.
4. There are only two types of brains - binary thinkers and paradox accepters

Blogger Looking Glass September 28, 2018 5:40 AM  

@1 JACIII

Seen the same part going around. Wife & 3 daughters without being a strong Christian in this society? It's extremely likely they'd go Social Justice lefty. Or at least Fabian Socialist. Given the pictures floating around, think more Hillary than "Daddy Issues". This might be as much as a straight up power-play within his own family. "The Whispers" were able to take out Donald Trump Jr's wife, so they can get to anyone.

Compare Linus to what Brett Kavanaugh is being put through, since we just got a massive display of the exact opposite of knuckling under to the SJWs. Though I think the best contrast from that is that "support networks" trump "ideological alignment" whenever things get tough. Durable human connections are always what matters, in the end.

It's the difference between throwing away everything you've built and surviving the fire standing on the hilltop. There's a reason a dark lord has a collection of vile, faceless minions, though history is pretty clear on having safe, defensive positions being extremely critical.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 28, 2018 5:58 AM  

The fear of being associated with "those people" is the soft underbelly of too many white men. I guess the only way most of us will learn (and harden their hearts) is the really hard and painful way.

Blogger Wanderer September 28, 2018 6:05 AM  

The very idea of the whole open source community was all communist faggotry anyway. This should surprise no one.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len September 28, 2018 6:08 AM  

Thank you, Wanderer. I now have my go-to response for whenever the discussion turns to open source issues.

Blogger Rick September 28, 2018 6:15 AM  

For a non-people person, he sure can run his mouth.
All he had to say was: The quality of the coding is priority.

Blogger Harry Goldblatt MD September 28, 2018 6:21 AM  

This reads like the defendants guilty plea from a struggle-session.
I was struck by the same two sentences that VD highlighted. That is the admission the SJWs were looking for and it gives them all the leverage they need to control him.
"Camp of the low life scum of the internet" and "people wary of political correctness" are very large populations as well as categories that shift according to the dominant liberal fashion.
The left can now rope him in at their discretion because you wouldn't want to be "one of those guys", would you?

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. September 28, 2018 6:21 AM  

NERRRRRDS!

Blogger pdwalker September 28, 2018 6:22 AM  

The pressure either makes diamonds, or dust.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira September 28, 2018 6:25 AM  

These bloody scandinavian cornuti... every damn time! How revolting, how truly disgusting. I used to look up to him as a programmer. What an abominable cuckold.

Blogger Fe2O3 September 28, 2018 6:41 AM  

It's strange to me that he gets it right with this quote,

"In contrast, the arguments about behaviour never seem to end up having a common goal. Except, in some sense, the argument itself."

And yet fails to follow through by simply ignoring the "arguments" that come his way.

Blogger James Dixon September 28, 2018 6:53 AM  

> Never trust a nerd to stand his ground. No matter what principles he espouses, no matter how tough he talks, at the end of the day all he really wants is to be accepted by the popular people

Ah, that's the difference. Lie Torvalds, I'm a nerd. But it was made quite clear to me in high school and reinforced in early college that I was never going to be accepted by the popular people, or even society in general. So I quit caring. I need to fit into society enough to earn a living, and that's all.

But yes, Linus has retreated in fear of being called names. The Linux kernel is history. It's only a matter of time now.

Blogger JACIII September 28, 2018 7:01 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:This might be as much as a straight up power-play within his own family. "The Whispers" were able to take out Donald Trump Jr's wife, so they can get to anyone

Agreed. Without God a man's family isn't his and is usually short lived. Girls can stray when young. Social pressure is the female stock in trade after all. Her father let her down and will reap the consequences.
After God, family is everything. One who betrays her family for strangers is worthless and unworthy of any trust at all at any time at all.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 28, 2018 7:08 AM  

"There are only two types of brains - binary thinkers and paradox accepters"

That's the same type of brain. One has just been trained not to sweat stuff it can't understand.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 28, 2018 7:10 AM  

"Build your house upon the rock"... because everything else will end with you mortally cucked under.

Blogger Unknown September 28, 2018 7:13 AM  

Why is the first move for people whose village is being burned burned by the Huns invariably to express disapproval of the anti-Hun movement?

Blogger widlast washere September 28, 2018 7:17 AM  

There's an old saying:
"Never apologize, your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe you anyway."

Blogger VD September 28, 2018 7:29 AM  

Why is the first move for people whose village is being burned burned by the Huns invariably to express disapproval of the anti-Hun movement?

They hope to survive the burning of their village.

Blogger InformationMerchant September 28, 2018 7:33 AM  

On one hand, he wasn't going to admit reasons such as concern about financial loss, blackmail from the media or pressure from his family.

On the other hand, his given reasons are so spectacularly bad that he clearly doesn't understand what he's doing and what virtue signalling is going to get him. From the SJW POV, it's one of the best responses he could've given.


@6 Yes, for the most part. The other half is not trusting massive corporations as far as you can throw them and wanting to know what's in your stuff.

We absolutely cannot be forced into a position where everyone has to write their own code. It'd be worse than having to grow your own food.

Blogger Tee Stoney September 28, 2018 7:39 AM  

"...I don't want to be around the kind of people who complain about excessive political correctness."

As opposed to the good kind, right? Oy vey.

Blogger Sam Spade September 28, 2018 7:51 AM  

For good chunk of the interview I was wondering how he could surrender his legacy, given his lucid and accurate perspective.

Until I got to the two points Vox underlined.

"I see perfectly everything my enemy is doing, but in the end I'm a coward."

Pretty frustrating to see given his great achievement with Linux.

Blogger marco moltisanti September 28, 2018 7:58 AM  

@15 I've never heard it put better than "Without God a man's family isn't his and is usually short lived."

By the way, what is "The Whispers" that Looking Glass mentioned? You seemed to understand the reference. Google and urbandictionary didn't give me anything that seemed to fit the context.

Blogger Silly but True September 28, 2018 8:02 AM  

The worst words in his entire tirade: “I felt.”

That’s when he gave up the fight; his false recognition that somehow each side’s — or everyone’s — _feelings_ should or need to matter.

He was perfectly fine saying: “So that's my excuse for dismissing a lot of the politically correct concerns for years. I felt it wasn't worth it. Anybody who uses the words 'white cis male privilege' was simply not worth my time even talking to.”

That’s not merely someone’s feeling. It’s an objective fact, proven each and every time. In Torvald-speak, that assessment is a mostly objective measure that forms the basis for agreement.

There will objectively be no one who uses the term “white cis male privilege” that will ever be worth anyone’s time.

“I felt?” Think Torvald. Then do. You had seen the pinnacle of the summit of your life’s interest at least once in your career: developing better code doesn’t require you to consider how you and others feel about how you develop better code.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 28, 2018 8:03 AM  

@6

"The very idea of the whole open source community was all communist faggotry anyway. This should surprise no one."

Wrong. If people were REQUIRED to participate in Open Source projects, without renumeration or even recognition, then it would be Communism.

Since Open Source projects are volunteer-driven, they are no different than the local Rotary club, and FAR more beneficial for society.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 28, 2018 8:13 AM  

@12

"These bloody scandinavian cornuti... every damn time! How revolting, how truly disgusting. I used to look up to him as a programmer. "

You can still look up to him as a programmer.

You can also look up to this leadership example he set from 1994-2017.

Just don't look at his example from August 2018 and onwards.


One of the greatest motivators in my life is Douglas Bader -- a men with TWO amputated legs who managed to join the RAF at the outbreak of WW2, and made it all the way up to Commander of Fighter Group 12. The one and only time he was shot down was due to ground fire -- NOBODY could turn as tight as he could without blacking out (due to his lack of lower legs). Then, he escaped from German POW camps FOUR TIMES. The Germans finally moved him to the nearly escape-proof Colditz Castle (built on a huge outcropping of rock in the middle of a fast-flowing, and cold, river; complete with drawbridge), and told him that if he tried to escape from there, they would confiscate his prosthetic legs.

Oh, how did Bader become a double-amputee?
Through lack of self-discipline -- He had joined the RAF in the early 1930's. At an air show, some civilian pilots implied he wasn't brave enough. In an "I'll show t hem" moment, he attempted to pull a stunt that was prohibited by the RAF, and crashed his fighter. That was the last of many times he had broken RAF rules while piloting a fighter.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 28, 2018 8:15 AM  

Realize what is GOOD about your heroes, and emulate as best as possible.
Understand where and how your heroes are weak or even failures, and figure out how to be better than your heroes in those dimensions.

Blogger Rabid Ratel September 28, 2018 8:17 AM  

People? Not my forte. Never has been, clearly. If you watched that TED talk, you'll know I wasn't a people person even as a child.

Going by the 3 lines VD highlighted, he sure cares about people, only it is the wrong kind of people, the ones that don't care about him. Real sad.

Blogger Mocheirge September 28, 2018 8:21 AM  

The whispers: "Did God really say..."

Blogger Looking Glass September 28, 2018 8:21 AM  

marco moltisanti wrote:@15 I've never heard it put better than "Without God a man's family isn't his and is usually short lived."

By the way, what is "The Whispers" that Looking Glass mentioned? You seemed to understand the reference. Google and urbandictionary didn't give me anything that seemed to fit the context.


Female intra-group psychology warfare via consistent, low-level undermining in intra-group communication. Or, "The Whispers".

Without a long distraction into female intra-sexual competition approaches and the necessary dependency position Women are in, they rarely attack each other directly. "The Whispers" is a constructed narrative to undermine a Woman within her social group, by generally just a few other Women. It is functionally no different than an engineered Media Narrative, sharing most of the same tactical approaches.

In the case of Don Jr, it wasn't too surprising one of Trump's children's marriages got ruined. Their outer social network was going to react badly to a Donald victory. What happens is her "friends" start undermining her marriage, whether by instinct or intention. (Women do this all the time as a matter of sexual status seeking; remember, Don Jr jumped a few tiers of Status in November 2016 as well.) Women are always coy about it, but it's their normal attack mode.

In the case of Torvalds, he lives in Portland, OR. It's sitting right in the deep Leftist area and his family is highly influenced by it. He built his house on sand, and the "Whispers" undermined him in many ways.

Blogger Rabid Ratel September 28, 2018 8:24 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:One of the greatest motivators in my life is Douglas Bader

He was a great inspiration to me too. I had a boss who lost a leg in an industrial accident long before I met him, and his energy always reminded me of Douglas Bader. These two men are the reason i dislike all these victims of society crying about their victim-hood. Nothing can keep a good man down.

Blogger Taignobias September 28, 2018 8:34 AM  

Linus will come to understand that he will never be forgiven, in time. In throwing in with the cults of unthinking destruction, he has rejected those who would show mercy and forgiveness (not that we thought he had cause to need it).

A shame. The man had a gift.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 28, 2018 8:47 AM  

What a sad thing to have to start off the day reading. The strange thing is, he certainly was "accepted" by millions, even held up as a hero by them, partly for his skills but also because of the no-bullshit way he handled people. But those millions weren't the "popular" people, which isn't defined by the group itself, but by mainstream approval from outside the group. Being the god of the nerds is nothing if the non-nerds are laughing at you.

By the way, that goes to what I said before about how embarassment is one thing that will make them get rid of the CoCs. If everyone else is laughing at them for getting dicked around by SJWs with their CoCs, they will get rid of them, because most nerds crave mainstream acceptance. The "I'm weird and don't fit in and I like it that way" thing is mainly a posture.

So basically the president of the chess club just disbanded the club because the organizers of the prom told him they'd make him homecoming king if he did that, and when he gets to prom he's going to find out it's actually a pig party.

Blogger KBuff September 28, 2018 8:49 AM  

If I had to guess, his daughter likely had a more active role in the whole thing. In the interview Vox linked to, she mentions open source and the need for safe spaces and diversity, and that was three years ago. I can't imagine what she is like now.

Blogger James Dixon September 28, 2018 8:49 AM  

> Linus will come to understand that he will never be forgiven, in time.

Probably. But probably not in time to save Linux. If he ever does understand, he'll have to rebuild it from the ground up, and I doubt he'll want to.

Blogger cloom September 28, 2018 9:18 AM  

Can you imagine defending "diversity and inclusiveness" and simultaneously attack radical diversity and attack "diversity is our strength"? This guy cucked that path here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM-pTksI4uI for Canada's new political party which opposes radical diversity, without putting it in their platform because they don't want to be associated with opposing diversity.

I got some sizable upvotes for saying to this crowd that they are finding it challenging to articulate their position and the guy hearted a bunch of other comments to push me down the stack, out of view. He knows I am saying he has a losing argument.

Blogger SDaly September 28, 2018 9:35 AM  

The truly pathetic thing is that the tide is turning, and if these weak men could have held out a little longer, they would be on the winning side.

Blogger rycamor September 28, 2018 10:37 AM  

When this first started, I hoped Linus was playing some form of John Galt game, "Fine you want this, suffer the consequences." If that were the case, he would have already lined up the guys to pull the kill switch, with a pact signed in blood. But no, instead he has given them all the cards. Agreeing with SJWS on guilt by association was his biggest mistake. He thinks they will leave him alone now. We all know how that's going to work.

Blogger Unknown September 28, 2018 11:09 AM  

Linus has been mostly all bark and no bite. He's basically allowed corporations like RedHat to walk all over him and turn his project into their personal trainwreck.

Yeah he'll fly off the handle every now and then on the mailing list, but he failed to exercise control of the direction of the kernel (and the rest of the Linux space). He allowed himself to be relegated to just a puller. He has no vision.

Blogger kurt9 September 28, 2018 11:21 AM  

I think Torvalds is a cuck. I don't agree with the white nationalists and other "underbelly" of the interent. But I have no problem with publicly advocating and defending such discussion on the internet. People can say and do whatever the f the want on the internet as far as I'm concerned. The purpose of free speech is to protech speech you don't like, not just that you like.

Besides, anything that riles up and pisses off the SJW types is just peachy with me, even if I personally do not agree with it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 28, 2018 11:24 AM  

@41, how moderately moderate you are! Surely the Left will eat you last!

Blogger Starboard September 28, 2018 11:47 AM  

James Dixon wrote:>

Ah, that's the difference. Lie Torvalds, I'm a nerd. But it was made quite clear to me in high school and reinforced in early college that I was never going to be accepted by the popular people, or even society in general. So I quit caring. I need to fit into society enough to earn a living, and that's all.


Much that seemed catastrophic in our youth was good for us. Realizing we'd never be in the in crowd freed us from the creepy peer pressure. Being catagorized as a no-fun nerd armored me against several avenues of attack from the devil, and fostered a healthy screw-you attitude towards the popular people.

Blogger English Tom September 28, 2018 11:47 AM  

He's actively looking for a professional therapist to talk to.

Paging Jordan Peterson.

Blogger Lance E September 28, 2018 11:51 AM  

Called it. Don't know why so many people thought the SJW mob had real dirt on him, he was just being true to his nature as a scandicuck.

Tech nerds are who they are, that's probably never going to change. What's lacking in the field is positive leadership. Just as even Lindsey Graham can have his moments with the support of the God Emperor behind him, so too can the average dweeb show resolve when they're led by someone worthy like the late Steve Jobs (as detestable as he was for other reasons).

But look at who we get: Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, Mark Benioff, Satya Nadella, Marissa Mayer. And these are some of the highest rated. I'm not sure I can think of even a single tech CEO who isn't a literal Soros puppet, let alone inspiring their employees as a leader.

I know the whole herding cats metaphor, but most programmers are actually deltas (or omegas), not gammas.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 28, 2018 12:01 PM  

@45 Lance E:

But look at who we get: Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, Mark Benioff, Satya Nadella, Marissa Mayer. And these are some of the highest rated. I'm not sure I can think of even a single tech CEO who isn't a literal Soros puppet, let alone inspiring their employees as a leader.

Elon Musk?

None of those you listed but Zuckerman are noted for having programming chops, and seem to be highly rated for their ability to get the top job. Musk got a physics degree as well as a Wharton economics degree, then dropped out two days into an applied physics and materials science Ph.D. program at Standford, his getting accepted there means something, and his cars do run, and his rockets do fly. Going back a long ways, Bill Gates was a hard core programmer.

Pichai and Nadella? I think we all know what their elevation to CEO means for Google and Microsoft.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 28, 2018 12:16 PM  

Musk looks to me like a cautionary tale of a nerd who DID achieve mainstream celebrity status.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling September 28, 2018 12:41 PM  

@47 Damelon Brinn:

Musk's investments in electric car and solar power indulgences came a cropper when Trump was elected, but it could go bankrupt without as far as I know directly harming SpaceX, which is what really counts. The only catastrophic mistake he's made as far as I know is the thing about taking Tesla private, with the financing already secured. If the latter indeed turned out to be a lie, he's in big trouble, how much I don't know.

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Blogger SirHamster September 28, 2018 4:28 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:By the way, what is "The Whispers" that Looking Glass mentioned? You seemed to understand the reference. Google and urbandictionary didn't give me anything that seemed to fit the context.

Female intra-group psychology warfare via consistent, low-level undermining in intra-group communication. Or, "The Whispers".



TLDR: Weaponized gossip.

Blogger Looking Glass September 28, 2018 10:35 PM  

Random #57 wrote:@47 Damelon Brinn:

Musk's investments in electric car and solar power indulgences came a cropper when Trump was elected, but it could go bankrupt without as far as I know directly harming SpaceX, which is what really counts. The only catastrophic mistake he's made as far as I know is the thing about taking Tesla private, with the financing already secured. If the latter indeed turned out to be a lie, he's in big trouble, how much I don't know.


He'd get a fine. That's actually all that'd happen. It'd be a big fine, but, well, that's it.

SirHamster wrote:Looking Glass wrote:By the way, what is "The Whispers" that Looking Glass mentioned? You seemed to understand the reference. Google and urbandictionary didn't give me anything that seemed to fit the context.

Female intra-group psychology warfare via consistent, low-level undermining in intra-group communication. Or, "The Whispers".



TLDR: Weaponized gossip.


Yup.

Blogger Lance E September 28, 2018 10:45 PM  

Random #57:

Do you honestly think that a Ph.D or "programming chops" has anything to do with leadership ability?

Elevating geeks to leadership positions is the problem. Vox has explained on multiple occasions why putting deltas in charge is dangerous, putting gammas/women in charge is catastrophic, and putting omegas in charge is 50 megatons of fail.

I had high hopes for Musk at one point, but (a) he's about to crash and burn and (b) building batteries and electric cars and rocket boosters is not "tech", it's heavy industry.

Blogger CYGNUS FACETIOUS September 29, 2018 8:26 PM  

God, why did you have to take High Priest Terry Davis from us before this Spurdo Spärde SOB? Temple OS > bioluminescent Linux

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