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Friday, September 21, 2018

Vote until you get it right

The EU never changes its totalitarian tactics:
EU leaders sparked a backlash last night after calling for a second referendum to allow voters to 'change their view' on Brexit. In separate interventions, the leaders of the Czech Republic and Malta urged Theresa May to drop her opposition to a second referendum.

Their comments prompted an angry response in the UK, with Mrs May responding: 'There will be no second referendum.'

Maltese PM Joseph Muscat, who has been dogged by questions about a corruption scandal, claimed EU leaders were 'almost unanimous' in wanting Britain to change its mind.... The EU has a long history of ignoring inconvenient referendum results or forcing countries to vote again. The most famous example is Ireland's rejection of the Lisbon Treaty in 2008, which was overturned in a second referendum after intense pressure from Brussels.

But Mrs May has repeatedly said she will not countenance a second referendum – a message she repeated to EU leaders 'very firmly' at a dinner in Salzburg on Wednesday night.
Fortunately, the fallout from this typical tone-deafness should be strong enough to let Britain simply Brexit without any deal, which is the best possible path forward and will save it more than $40 billion in an exit tax.
Brexiteers and Remainers today declared Theresa May's Chequers plan dead after it was brutally savaged by the EU at a crucial summit.

The Prime Minister made a plea to European leaders to compromise as she desperately tries to get a deal agreed with less than two months to go in negotiations.

But leaders across the EU lined up to savage her plans in a series of scathing press conferences at the Salzburg summit today.

EU council chief Donald Tusk insisted her Chequers proposal 'will not work' while German Chancellor Angela Merkel said 'substantial progress' is still needed.

A visibly angry Mrs May hit back at the EU - insisting that her plan remains the only serious and credible proposal on the table. But she was hit with a fresh onslaught by her own MPs in Britain who said the damning verdict has killed off her Brexit blueprint.

Tory MP and leading Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg said: 'I think Chequers now has no supporters at all. I doubt even the Downing Street cat is any longer backing the Chequers plan. 'I think the time has come for Mrs May to say "This is not going to work".'

And fellow Conservative and arch Remainer Anna Soubry said: 'Having been nailed to its perch this Chequers parrot is no more, it is bereft of life, it rests in peace, it is indeed an ex parrot.
Now it is time for Italy and Hungary to arrange their own escapes from the Fifth Reich.

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41 Comments:

Blogger michimartini September 21, 2018 5:04 AM  

Wait, i thought it was the fourth Reich. Where did i go wrong?

Blogger VD September 21, 2018 5:05 AM  

I think you're forgetting that Bush was Hitler.

Blogger Unknown September 21, 2018 5:14 AM  

We voted leave and that is what we want. I can see there being violence in England if the voters are denied their wish. Everyone I know are getting angry and want out all all cost. There must be no second referendum. We must walk away from the EU without any deals or payoffs.

Blogger Teleros September 21, 2018 5:18 AM  

What's that line Q likes? Ah yes, that's the one.

"These people are stupid."

Blogger Attila is my bro September 21, 2018 5:53 AM  

How soon before the EU attacks Italy the way they're attacking Hungary and how much of a factor is it that Italy is a net contributer to the EU while Hungary is 2nd on the list of net consumers of EU transfer payments?

Blogger RusticFederalist September 21, 2018 6:00 AM  

Mr Babis, speaking at the Salzburg summit, said the Brexit vote had caused a “difficult time for Europe”.

He said: "We hope that finally we will reach a deal but basically I am very unhappy that the UK is leaving.

“So it would be better maybe to make another referendum and maybe the people in the meantime could change their view.”


"Babiš was born on 2 September 1954 to a Slovak family in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia (present-day Slovakia)."

"His father, a diplomat and member of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, represented Czechoslovakia during negotiations with the GATT at Geneva and as a consultant at UN. He is nephew of Ervin and Viera Scheibner."

"Babiš has a reputation for surrounding himself with senior police officers, security agents, and former Communist informers, to help him consolidate power."

"The European edition of Politico compared Babiš to American businessman-turned-politician Donald Trump. In October 2015, Babiš rejected the comparison, contemptuously dismissing Trump as a failure, pointing to Trump's multiple bankruptices. In March 2016, however, as Trump looked poised to win the Republican primary elections, Babiš wrote several complimentary comments about Trump, saying that the two are very much alike, since they both say politically incorrect things and both oppose immigration. When he was criticized for being complimentary, however, he reverted to criticizing Trump's bankruptcies, and said he really would like to vote for Michael Bloomberg as candidate for US President."

"His second cabinet, confirmed by the Chamber of Deputies on 12 July 2018, is the first government since the fall of Communism in 1989 to rely on support from the Communist Party."


Maybe Andrej should stop worrying about Britain, and go back to Bratislava.

Blogger Silent Draco September 21, 2018 6:06 AM  

Bush? Not Robert (Fourth) Reich, that financial 'genius?' He was confusing the Horst Wessel Wessel Song and the Internationale.

Blogger Stilicho September 21, 2018 7:00 AM  

If I were DJT, I'd send May a copy of the Declaration of Independence with the message "Try this". Via tweet, most likely.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 21, 2018 7:06 AM  

I wonder what happeened to the Czechs?

They were looking pretty solid for a while. They even passed right to bear arms and CCW laws.

Blogger justthinkin September 21, 2018 7:07 AM  

President Trump's suggestion is looking better and better, eh, Theresa?

Blogger Stilicho September 21, 2018 7:08 AM  

@Rustic commies just hate hate hate the idea of serfs escaping the work camps don't they?

Blogger Nihil Dicit September 21, 2018 7:21 AM  

"We need some muscle to lean on the Brits. I know, let's call Malta!"?

Cataline, seems less like "the Czechs" than this one sketchy wannabe strongman. His Aunt Viera is quite the whack-doodle, the Aussie Jenny McCarthy.

Blogger tuberman September 21, 2018 7:32 AM  

Nuke the Tower of Babel? Naw, a couple of MOABs will do.

Is it possible to have more contempt for Brussels then even DC?

Blogger Silly but True September 21, 2018 7:37 AM  

Is Trump alone in breathing the rarified air he does in actually being more Hitlerian than Hitler? Or is he joined by Bush? Nixon is another possibility who was more Hitler than Hitler.

And the world can never forget the holocaust of over 6 million liberal thoughts having been destroyed by Barry Goldwater when he sent them to the oven in his acceptance speech. Surely, even if he wasn’t any more Hitler than Hitler, Reagan was at least Hitler?

We may already be on the sixth or seventh Reich.

Blogger tuberman September 21, 2018 7:41 AM  

BTW, May's Brexit and the EU response shows how SJWs deal with weakness!?

They charge ahead demanding MOAR surrender...Every.Time.

Blogger Blaidd September 21, 2018 7:50 AM  

@6

That makes a bit more sense, then. I was surprised to see the Czechs calling for another vote but now I'm just surprised that they elected a communist as PM. Their President seemed to be the no-nonsense type when he was making public addresses about not accepting migrants a few years ago. Alas, the Czechs still have a favorable view of the EU but that's to be expected as long as they can wring out free money.

Blogger MAethelflaed September 21, 2018 8:20 AM  

The idea of a second referendum is nonsensical. If we have a second vote, because some people didn't like the result of the first one, then the same logic justifies having a third, a fourth, and so on, until we get a unanimous result. Which will be never.

It's my impression that all but the most extreme Remainers just want to get on and bloody well leave if we're leaving; most people are fed up hearing about Brexit and are frankly embarrassed by the utter shambles it's turned into.

Blogger Steb September 21, 2018 8:21 AM  

Great. We've taking instructions from a country that could fit into an average sized Walmart parking lot.

Blogger Gunnarvoncowtown von Cowtown September 21, 2018 8:22 AM  

Based on the linked article, the EU is literally "a threat to democracy".

What was it some smart guy said about SJWs projecting or something?

Blogger James Dixon September 21, 2018 8:30 AM  

> ...most people are fed up hearing about Brexit and are frankly embarrassed by the utter shambles it's turned into.

It was always going to. The EU was never going to agree to anything reasonable. They wanted to make it as painful and humiliating as possible to keep everyone else in.

If Britain junks all the regulations the EU forced on them over the years a hard Brexit is the best outcome for them.

Blogger pyrrhus September 21, 2018 8:44 AM  

@20 As Martin Armstrong keeps pointing out, the UK economy has been growing much more strongly since Brexit because business is happy to escape the stranglehold of EU bureaucrats.

Blogger pyrrhus September 21, 2018 8:47 AM  

As I have been pointing out for seeming decades, Germany cannot function without the UK luxury car market, and London's appetite for luxury goods in general...Hard Brexit will topple Merkel and create a very nice climate for negotiations.

Blogger English Tom September 21, 2018 8:52 AM  

I've only ever voted once in all my life. That was for Brexit. I won't be taking part in a second referendum. If they force a second referendum on the British people then it is highly likely an English version of the IRA would emerge, and democracy will be completely discredited.

Blogger jaericho September 21, 2018 9:07 AM  

Reminds me of MN and recounts: Recount till you get it right.

Blogger J. September 21, 2018 9:42 AM  

Speaking of the Czechs: although most of them are just as anti-immigration and pro-nationalist as the Poles or Hungarians, they are yet to be fully red-pilled on EU - they are highly critical of it but at the same time tend to believe it can be reformed and pay little attention to what their political representatives do or say regarding EU. This allows the current PM to ride the nationalist vawe and utilize nationalist rhetoric at home while kissing Merkel¨s ass on internatiopnal podium. That¨s why, on the face off it, the Czech government may appear to be just as solidly nationalist as the Hungarian or Polish one, but its position is ultimately weak as they lack strong conviction of Poles or Hungarians. The fact that the most profitable part of the current PM businesses is dependent on EU subsidies doesn't help either. Neither does the fact that Czechs are nowhere near as christian as Poles or Hungarians - thus lacking the most powerful way to put some spine in politicians.

Blogger Blaidd September 21, 2018 9:56 AM  

@23

A lot of the Irish said the same on the Lisbon do-over and look where that got them. Haven't you learned from cuckservatives that "principled stands" leave you at the mercy of the unprincipled?

Certainly voting isn't going to save the West but refusing to vote isn't going to make things better either.

Blogger Seeingsights September 21, 2018 10:28 AM  

Teresa May's response, to her credit, was good.
But she should have said something with more flair, like "Join the Brexit Club! You have a migrant crisis because of the EU."

Blogger Mr Darcy September 21, 2018 10:53 AM  

Yeah, well, for the British PM to point the finger at somebody else's
"migrant crisis" is probably not the best strategy.

Blogger Angantyr September 21, 2018 11:35 AM  

If I were DJT, I'd send May a copy of the Declaration of Independence with the message "Try this". Via tweet, most likely.

LOL!!! You made me spew my coffee... Thread win, right here. I'd pay real money to see the GE do this!

Blogger Tars Tarkas September 21, 2018 11:55 AM  

@23 Get real! Englishmen will not even take up arms to defend their daughters from Muslim rape gangs who target them at 11yo and because they are white British girls and you think they will fight for some political abstraction?

Blogger James Dixon September 21, 2018 12:06 PM  

> Englishmen will not even take up arms to defend their daughters from Muslim rape gangs

What arms? They've banned guns.

Blogger RusticFederalist September 21, 2018 12:08 PM  

Blaidd wrote:@6

That makes a bit more sense, then. I was surprised to see the Czechs calling for another vote but now I'm just surprised that they elected a communist as PM. Their President seemed to be the no-nonsense type when he was making public addresses about not accepting migrants a few years ago. Alas, the Czechs still have a favorable view of the EU but that's to be expected as long as they can wring out free money.


I think J in Comment #25 addressed the matter pretty well. Andrej seems to have hijacked a populist wave for his own benefit and was elected. He personally lost a no confidence vote (instead of his cabinet), and to rebuild his powerbase he allied with the communists. Maybe this guy is one of Merkel's stasi puppets.

The Moravians seem to be more religious, but their identity has been suppressed through the decades so they aren't as prominent as they should be. I read that there is a man with a Korean/Japanese father and a Moravian mother trying to build an alternative right party in Czechia.

Blogger David September 21, 2018 12:35 PM  

I am beginning to fear that a second referendum will be forced upon us. Our so-called leaders are pathetically weak, and do not believe in Brexit or Britain.

Blogger Tars Tarkas September 21, 2018 1:27 PM  

d Adam wrote:I am beginning to fear that a second referendum will be forced upon us. Our so-called leaders are pathetically weak, and do not believe in Brexit or Britain.

If they don't cuck, you get out of the EU. If they do cuck, they expose, on a rather large scale, Liberal Democracy as the complete scam it is. Disabusing people of the notion that LD is legit would be a great fist step.
James Dixon wrote:Englishmen will not even take up arms to defend their daughters from Muslim rape gangs

What arms? They've banned guns.

Several million men with pitchforks and other sharp weapons is still pretty effective. Of course, the Muslims are also disarmed. How many Muslim pedophiles hanging from trees will it take to send the message? I'm guessing not many.

The government has made it abundantly clear that there is no other way. They don't care what you think or how you vote because they fear the Muslims in a way they do not fear Brits.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira September 21, 2018 2:24 PM  

As an Italian I wouldn't be against simply occupying Malta after leaving the EU just to watch Merkel shriek.

Blogger James Dixon September 21, 2018 4:15 PM  

> How many Muslim pedophiles hanging from trees will it take to send the message? I'm guessing not many.

No reason not to play it safe and make sure it's enough to be effective though.

Blogger Brett baker September 21, 2018 8:38 PM  

One of the European writers at Chronicles magazine said the EU definition of democracy is "The ratification by plebiscite of a previously determined outcome."

Blogger Jack Amok September 21, 2018 11:29 PM  

How many Muslim pedophiles hanging from trees will it take to send the message?

Start with "all of them" and go up from there until no one is complaining about the situation.

Blogger Pepper September 22, 2018 1:38 AM  

They do things that way here too, keep voting until you get it right.

Local school board came out a few years back with a sob story about how they needed more money. The tax increase referendum was soundly defeated.

Next year, it was on the ballot again. Defeated again.

After a few tries, they finally figured out what to do. Put it on the ballot but do exactly zero publicity. Nobody noticed it was there except for the few people who voted yes. Now we're stuck with it.

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 22, 2018 2:17 AM  

Now it is time for Italy and Hungary to arrange their own escapes from the Fifth Reich.

If the EU is the 5th, what do you consider the 4th to be? The NATO? US hegemony? Not sure I get your point here.

Blogger Robert What? September 24, 2018 11:30 AM  

Bush was Hitler but Trump is Literally Hitler, so doesn't that make it the Sixth Reich?

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