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Monday, October 29, 2018

GoDaddy bans Gab

Add GoDaddy to the list of corporations deplatforming Gab:
Gab, the far-right social network that the suspect in Saturday’s mass shooting at Pittsburgh synagogue used to share anti-Semitic posts, has gone offline after GoDaddy gave it 24 hours to find a new domain provider. GoDaddy’s decision comes after PayPal, Medium, Stripe, and Joyent banned Gab’s accounts over the weekend.
I'm not going to pretend that I don't find this extremely amusing, or that I did not anticipate this result when Andrew Torba refused to remove libel, pornography, and fake rape photoshops from his site at my request. As I said more than a year ago, Torba lacks the temperament and the detachment required to run a company, particularly in testing times such as these. But the Gab deplatforming is merely a minor symptom of the real problem, which has been decades in the making.

As I mentioned in the Darkstream last night, what these corporations are doing is literally destroying the basis for a developed economy. And not only what they are doing now, but what they have been in the process of doing for the past 15 years. The EULAs, the Terms of Service, and the selling of software of a service, and the SJW convergence have all collectively routed around the rule of law which is necessary for sustained economic growth over time.
In countries with strong rule of law:

1. Property rights over land, equipment, and personal items are clear and protected by law.
3. Contracts between people, businesses, and the government are effectively enforced by the legal system.
3. Political accountability is high and corruption is low.
4. Business regulations are clear and enforced in a transparent manner.

In such environments people make long-term investments and build large organizations. In contrast, if the property rights and contracts are not enforced and the business regulations are not clear, most of the economy consists of small family owned firms with little modern equipment. A high-tech, prosperous economy would not develop.
Effectively, there are no contracts anymore in the digital economy. There is no predictability anymore. There is no accountability. There is no responsibility. There are no requirements for performance anymore. In sum, the US digital economy is rapidly becoming the equivalent of a third-world economy, complete with crony capitalism and digital robber barons.

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70 Comments:

Blogger Ken Prescott October 29, 2018 6:43 AM  

At some point, someone's going to go to court and demand the right to stop paying their debts because the debt holder violated the debtor's terms of service.

Blogger Wanderer October 29, 2018 6:51 AM  

Andrew Torba refused to remove libel, pornography, and fake rape photoshops from his site at my request.
Yeah so those weren't deemed ban-worthy but meanwhile Torba spent all month of October prior to the shooting going on an anti-anime and anti-hentai banning crusade, pointlessly alienating and demoralizing a ton of his weeb channer users in the process. Even Twitter doesn't ban hentai.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 29, 2018 6:53 AM  

@1

I admit that I am more and more worried about how SJW Converged banking is becoming without anyone noticing it.

As a for instance after the Parkland Shooting, the president of the First National Bank of Omaha, cut his bank's ties to the NRA.

This was in deep Red Omaha Nebraska and this idiot was so ensconced in his ruling class bubble that he didn't realize there would be a backlash against his bank.

It's very worrying to me just how badly we are going to be when the banks go full on SJW.

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 29, 2018 6:59 AM  

On a somewhat amusing note, 8 years ago, Gamestation had a clause in their EULA on April Fool's Day that their customers sold their soul to the company when they used the software. They can put literally anything in those.

Blogger Stilicho October 29, 2018 6:59 AM  

What would the cost be to Gab to provide its own domain?

Blogger Keith October 29, 2018 7:11 AM  

bout tree fiddy

Blogger The Observer October 29, 2018 7:12 AM  

At some point, someone's going to go to court and demand the right to stop paying their debts because the debt holder violated the debtor's terms of service.

Almost certainly a rule of man situation.

Blogger Eduardo October 29, 2018 7:12 AM  

Vox is writing his Ron Unz-long essay about why Alpha Maximus Torba failed miserably XD.

When it all goes down will you take Torba's scalp, Dark Lord?

Bolsonaro won! although I think the Socialist guy got millions of fake votes.

Blogger Looking Glass October 29, 2018 7:18 AM  

Durable & enforceable property rights are necessary for anything but a huge portion of your population being anything other than peasants. As China & India are running headlong into, and the Western Elite are trying very hard to re-implement since they prefer that.

As for Gab, I hadn't heard of the Weeb Exile stuff, but Torba has done pretty well to have absolutely zero allies. That's a fairly impressive trick. Though it also seems like they really had gone down for the PETA approach to fund raising. It isn't a sustainable business model for anyone that isn't on the Protected Left.

Blogger buzzardist October 29, 2018 7:22 AM  

Property rights are the primary foundation on which government is built. Strip away property rights and ignore rule of law, and it will have a deleterious effect on the American economy, not to mention the government.

That said, American (and EU) tech blunders in these areas are leaving open huge opportunities for people elsewhere to build new platforms outside of the tech giants' control.

What's curious to me in the American context is that we've now come full circle on civil rights. Where a generation ago it was imperative to compel businesses to accept all customers, regardless of race, now it's perfectly permissible to dissolve contracts and reject customers on ideological grounds...provided it's the right ideological grounds. (If you want a gay-themed cake, on the other hand, it's still imperative to compel a business or individual to serve you.) Ultimately, this is all more about tribe than it is about principles, but it's amusing to see the hypocrisy on principles nonetheless.

In the end, what's happening now is the dissolution of the Peace of Westphalia and related religious settlements. The next revolution will be neither "glorious" nor bloodless. That artificial public-private divide that allowed mostly similar people who happened to hold different religious beliefs to coexist without killing each other has been breached. Private beliefs are again public concern. What you think matters to the state, to corporations, and to other citizens, and they will ostracize you and attempt to destroy you for divergent thoughts.

How long until banks start canceling credit cards and freezing accounts merely because a person is accused of wrongthink?

Blogger FrankNorman October 29, 2018 7:29 AM  

Hmmm... good thing I never posted anything on Gab yet.

Blogger The Lab Manager October 29, 2018 7:30 AM  

America as a high tech 'turd' world nation? Hey, that will go right along with the all the turd world Solamis we imported who do cliterectomies, the beaners who can't function to a first world level despite being 'hard workers', and the dirt world high IQ from the Indian subcontinent some of whom bring their cultural proclivities here as well instead of assimilating.

Blogger Iamblichus II October 29, 2018 7:38 AM  

Enter bitcoin.. that is bitcoin cash (BCH). Won't be long now till people see what it will do

Blogger Looking Glass October 29, 2018 7:40 AM  

@10 buzzardist

The "Civil Rights Movement" was always a sham, which is quite clear now. It was probably the greatest expression of the Deep State's move to secure complete power within the USA. It was a rhetorically powerful construction to destroy core but somewhat abstract rights with 4th Gen Warfare victories. While at the same time flipping & destroying one of their old control systems for a better one.

So, it's not an inversion. It's actually just more open about what the objectives are.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 29, 2018 8:01 AM  

The First World has infrastructure. The Third World does not. The most important bit of infrastructure, the bit that enables the rest, is rule of law.

By early in the 0bammy regime, rule of law was ended in the US. We had enormous financial and social capital, which is disappearing faster and faster.

The US was once the First World, with laws and plumbing. Parts of the US are now literally Turd World, street shitters and all.

Blogger Random #57 October 29, 2018 8:02 AM  

@3 Cataline Sergius:

@1

I admit that I am more and more worried about how SJW Converged banking is becoming without anyone noticing it.

As a for instance after the Parkland Shooting, the president of the First National Bank of Omaha, cut his bank's ties to the NRA.

This was in deep Red Omaha Nebraska and this idiot was so ensconced in his ruling class bubble that he didn't realize there would be a backlash against his bank.


Omaha is like many other cities in deep Red states, very liberal, always pushing for gun control as an example. Have we heard anything about this bank actually suffering from this decision?

Blogger cyrus83 October 29, 2018 8:10 AM  

For the globalist left, it seems like part of the plan would be to undermine the basis for developed economies. So long as they're the ones on top, they'd rather rule over shithole economies where nobody can get ahead unless they play by the SJW rules.

Perhaps the G-E can do something about this after the elections.

Blogger Silent Draco October 29, 2018 8:18 AM  

In this case we deal with the H-1B plague of digital strongmen and cousin marriage. Replace the builders and maintainers with looters.

The pejorative "robber barons" has been used for a century and a half in history textbooks, out of SJW envy and greed. Those old-time robber barons did a number of amazing things, most of which were quite licit when you realized that the were either the company's majority stockholder, or were the bank. It was also a better grade of politician, that would stay bought for the agreed price.

John D. Rockefeller, Sr. was responsible for Standard Oil, and for making inexpensive, quality kerosene a household staple for lamps. He drove the alternative fuel out of the market. This, of course, was whale oil. Amazing brutes, those robber barons.

Every time an SJW gets its way, another whale dies.

Blogger wreckage October 29, 2018 8:22 AM  

Modernists, post-modernists and Marxists all fail to grasp that the question of why anything exists, rather than nothing, is fundamental.

They think it's a quaint and erroneous bit of superstition.

Then, since they're enlightened and modern and sophisticated, they destroy their own economy, their businesses, their civilization and society, and the rule of law; because only a superstitious fool asks why, or values what is and what brought it into being.

Blogger Johnny October 29, 2018 8:37 AM  

>>we've now come full circle on civil rights. Where a generation ago it was imperative to compel businesses to accept all customers, regardless of race, now it's perfectly permissible to dissolve contracts and reject customers on ideological grounds...

And if they come to power all of a sudden social deviancy will be out of fashion, with ordinary behavior enforced with a vengeance. Rules count when it is their rules and they are the enforcer. Our rules not so much. It is a power thing.

Blogger MendoScot October 29, 2018 9:06 AM  

OT: Bolsonaro in, Merkel out.
Can't remember such a bright Monday...
An interesting article on the Pentecostal roots of Bolsonaro's campaign and success.

Blogger Roy Stalin October 29, 2018 9:08 AM  

The so-called robber barons of old built universities, libraries, concert halls, and other tangible things that regular Americans could access and enjoy. They did this because they were men of faith who feared God and knew that God expected much from them.

Our modern day atheist robber barons give money to left wing causes or to programs like computers for third world schools. They do little to nothing for the country and the people who made their wealth and success possible.

Blogger tuberman October 29, 2018 9:12 AM  

From a pure economic stance, the parasite economy feeds off of what was left of the old main street economy. Such things as derivatives were created, not just as hedges, but as tools to get around the rules. Goldman Sachs and similar banksters always get their cut if businesses want to have their hand in the game. These "finance corporations" are like the mob, skimming the cream out of the economy.

Blogger Cloom Glue October 29, 2018 9:22 AM  

GoDaddy has been doing this for several years. Hagmann was one I remember got short notice by GoDaddy. Hagmann had Q-like info, and had guests proving things about Obomba's Libya and other activities.

Blogger tz October 29, 2018 9:28 AM  

Law merely enshrines and is a pressure valve for custom and culuture. And to detail the edge cases (e.g. a river is considered a property boundary, but the river changes course).

People in a high trust society normally can get things done on a handshake. And people will honor their word even when it becomes difficult.

China and to some extent Japan and Korea have similar problems even though they have the facade of property and contract law.

Big Data is trying to replace content of character and personal relationships with FICO scores and Yelp style reviews. It won't and can't work. We used to rely on the local banker to know the person who he was considering giving a loan to. But the computers modeled things, so we got - the 2008 mortgage crisis. Oh, the algorithms were supposedly not racist either.

One of the ironies with Gab is that the same Big Tech is generally anti-Israel and would sanction them for their apartheid and join the BDS movement.

But SJWs aren't rational. Or even sympathetic. They are emotional vampires that need to virtue signal and appear to be helping something so they can feel good about their participation trophy.

Blogger Looking Glass October 29, 2018 9:33 AM  

Cloom Glue wrote:GoDaddy has been doing this for several years. Hagmann was one I remember got short notice by GoDaddy. Hagmann had Q-like info, and had guests proving things about Obomba's Libya and other activities.



Gab has been regularly using services that are known to be pro-SJW at the drop of a hat. Frankly, that actually seemed to be their business model after about the first year.

The other rub, with Gab, is that it seemed like the Alt-Retard faction was actually the ones always trying to drive them into trouble with service providers. I sniffed that out pretty early on, but, now, I'm having to wonder if that was orchestrated by Torba himself as a PR stunt. Taking into consideration that they tried to get people banned from Twitter to move to Gab, all of the trouble they've "run" into seems to be Strategic. I'd call it a bad strategy, but it is one.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 29, 2018 9:55 AM  

it seemed like the Alt-Retard faction was actually the ones always trying to drive [Gab] into trouble with service providers.

Sure looks that way to me. Some people would rather be persecuted and shut down than find a way to keep a space viable. That way they can look down on everyone who didn't get shut down, for being less devoted to the cause than they. They're socially suicidal. Not exactly the sort you want to hitch your wagon to.

Blogger LP999-16 October 29, 2018 10:38 AM  

2 Aww, poor guys and their tentacle porn.

It is wonderful Gab's blood pressure is up, its good for Torba. Stress is good for the 20 somethings, you know, their first roedo's and all.

Not surprised I expected more to pull out today, all weekend CNN was drumming on Gab. meanwhile CNN/American media doesn't understand people went elsewhere facebookk, gab, twitter are just a few.

Anyhow, after what Gab allowed and did to the Day's and some of their supports or fans I didn't think Gab would be around in a few years, surprised they made it this long.

Blogger JAG October 29, 2018 10:39 AM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:On a somewhat amusing note, 8 years ago, Gamestation had a clause in their EULA on April Fool's Day that their customers sold their soul to the company when they used the software. They can put literally anything in those.

It's doubtful that such a stunt was meant as a joke. That is merely the excuse so that they could nakedly practice satanism. Tricking people into selling their souls is not a joking matter at all.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 29, 2018 10:59 AM  

Iamblichus II wrote:Enter bitcoin.. that is bitcoin cash (BCH). Won't be long now till people see what it will do
Waste huge amounts of resources, form a speculative bubble, pop, and destroy the wealth of anyone stupid enough to "invest" in it? I fail to see how any of that helps.

Blogger Looking Glass October 29, 2018 11:08 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:it seemed like the Alt-Retard faction was actually the ones always trying to drive [Gab] into trouble with service providers.

Sure looks that way to me. Some people would rather be persecuted and shut down than find a way to keep a space viable. That way they can look down on everyone who didn't get shut down, for being less devoted to the cause than they. They're socially suicidal. Not exactly the sort you want to hitch your wagon to.


It was an attention generating move, but now I have to question who was actually doing the generating.

Blogger Lance E October 29, 2018 11:21 AM  

Is it a coincidence that the most open and globalized sector of American business is also the least transparent and accountable?

Remember Putnam: diversity lowers trust between and within groups.

It seems that the more one tries to operate in or interact with the third world, the more one becomes the third world.

Blogger tz October 29, 2018 11:31 AM  

Low trust - and high (short) time preference cultures cannot have a rule of law.
Law must be enforced. But by whom?
You can't import high trust people, and even if you identify them, you only need one weak link in the chain.

Low trust drives out high trust. They cannot coexist.

Right now you see it with the police that are becoming paranoid and militarized, and have just become traffic ticket tax collectors.

Trump is the brakes and maybe it will reverse starting with the Supreme Court where Roberts rewrote Obamacare and found another Penumbra for Gay Marriage and these mandatory binding arbitrtion contracts of adhesion.

High trust people either have to throw out the low trust people, or become low-trust with the cronyism, corruption, bribery, and the rest.

High trust has few laws with extreme and apparently disproportionate penalties because crimes break the trust. Low trust societies have many laws, but don't enforce them (the excuse for mandatory minimums for drugs is because they caused theft, but why not put the minimums for the theft itself?).

Blogger tz October 29, 2018 11:33 AM  

Bitcoin is another libertarian panacea that will be able to bypass fallen man and virtue with technology. It may prove useful, but won't solve the problems.

Blogger tz October 29, 2018 12:00 PM  

And offend your HOA

Blogger widlast washere October 29, 2018 12:21 PM  

OT but related, corporate now blocks this site, supposedly for racism and hate speech

Blogger Bobiojimbo October 29, 2018 12:30 PM  

"There is no accountability. There is no responsibility. There are no requirements for performance anymore."

Sounds like my own experiences lately.

Blogger James Dixon October 29, 2018 12:34 PM  

> Yeah so those weren't deemed ban-worthy but meanwhile Torba spent all month of October prior to the shooting going on an anti-anime and anti-hentai banning crusade

He did nothing of the kind. He banned hentai of underage children, which is already considered child pornography and is illegal by current interpretation of the law.



Blogger Doktor Jeep October 29, 2018 12:50 PM  

What lefty tech is doing all seems to cyberpunk-dystopic.
It's almost like there's a call for people on the right to get up and do something.
Of course I would like to see a 2-pronged approach: new solutions and anti-trust actions.
If this is not done, we're going to be trading our "should-have" stories in a gulag.

Blogger James Dixon October 29, 2018 1:01 PM  

> It's almost like there's a call for people on the right to get up and do something.

Not yet, but there will be. The left just can't help themselves. They always have to go all in. As soon as they get back in power the process will start.

The blood was probably still wet when they started yelling "gun control" again: https://www.dailycaller.com/2018/10/27/democrats-shooting-pittsburgh-gun-control/

And it goes without saying that if you're not checking infogalactic news for links like this every day, you should be.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:03 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:05 PM  

@1

"It's very worrying to me just how badly we are going to be when the banks go full on SJW."

Then they'll all get burned down, and everybody will be freed from their mortgages, and any private student loan debt.

Most people's outstanding debt is greater than their savings accounts. Net win for vast majorities of the public.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:05 PM  

And yes, the financing void will be filled ... but not by the previous players.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:06 PM  

@2

"Even Twitter doesn't ban hentai."

Twitter doesn't even ban child-porn rings, either. Why would you expect them to ban hentai?

I think the mark of a successful competitor will be one which DOES ban hentai.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:10 PM  

@4

"On a somewhat amusing note, 8 years ago, Gamestation had a clause in their EULA on April Fool's Day that their customers sold their soul to the company when they used the software. They can put literally anything in those."

You can put whatever you want in a EULA. Doesn't mean that even one word of it will stand up in court.

Particularly EULAs that are contained WITHIN a shrink-wrapped product. Courts have ruled that sticking customers with these sorts of things AFTER they they get home, rather than being offered the chance to read and ponder the so-called agreement before parting with their cash makes such EULAs completely null and void, as the purchaser was not apprised of such usage conditions before purchase (especially with "no returns on software" policies).

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 29, 2018 1:10 PM  

The blood was probably still wet when they started yelling "gun control" again:

No better way to drive Republicans to the polls, even the moderate ones. But as you say, they can't help themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:12 PM  

@5

"What would the cost be to Gab to provide its own domain?"

Depends what CANNA is charging to become a top-level domain registrar. If you're not a top-level domain registrar, then you are dependent upon other domain registrars yourself.

Clearly, there is a need for a bona-fide neutral TLD registrar.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:15 PM  

@7

"At some point, someone's going to go to court and demand the right to stop paying their debts because the debt holder violated the debtor's terms of service.

Almost certainly a rule of man situation."

And then, at some point later, someone's going to murder a/some judge(s), and the contract breacher(s) who continued to demand money for services no longer rendered.

Blogger Roddie Piper October 29, 2018 1:19 PM  

Ha ha, you think that crap shack is your home or business, but you built it on my property, and I'm going to bulldoze it any time I feel like it. Maybe I'll be nice enough to knock first and give you a few minutes to collect your meager belongings.

You have more rights as a trailer park tenant than as a user of any internet service.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:21 PM  

@8

"Bolsonaro won! although I think the Socialist guy got millions of fake votes."

The press foreign press in Brazil has been all in a tizzy, that Bolsanaro had such a commanding lead for months. An 11:9 vote ratio is far closer than someone would expect from the reports coming out of Brazil. They were noting that even the minorities who Bolsanaro was directly insulting were giving him a majority of their support. And support from white Brazilians was overwhelming. This 11:9 ratio is in line with what the blacks and mulattoes would vote. So basically, there were enough illegal votes to cancel out all of his white (who are 45% of the population) supporters (let's say 2/3 of 45% would be 30%). That's a LOT of vote fraud.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:22 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:23 PM  

@10

"As for Gab, I hadn't heard of the Weeb Exile stuff, but Torba has done pretty well to have absolutely zero allies. That's a fairly impressive trick."

Now, imagine if he had been smart enough to NOT piss off everyone who would have helped him. And you see what an impressively STUPID trick it's been.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:27 PM  

@16

"Omaha is like many other cities in deep Red states, very liberal, always pushing for gun control as an example. Have we heard anything about this bank actually suffering from this decision?"

News reports were muted, but there was a conservative run on the bank.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:33 PM  

@25

"But the computers modeled things, so we got - the 2008 mortgage crisis. Oh, the algorithms were supposedly not racist either."

Which is the root of that particular problem.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:36 PM  

@27

"
Sure looks that way to me. Some people would rather be persecuted and shut down than find a way to keep a space viable. That way they can look down on everyone who didn't get shut down, for being less devoted to the cause than they. They're socially suicidal. Not exactly the sort you want to hitch your wagon to."

What would you expect from a bunch of Americans who think of themselves as German Nationalist Socialists?


Add on top of that, Every socialist, of EVERY stripe, wants to play the "i'm more pitiable than you" game.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:38 PM  

@30

"Waste huge amounts of resources, form a speculative bubble, pop, and destroy the wealth of anyone stupid enough to "invest" in it? I fail to see how any of that helps."

Think of it as counter-inflation.

A lot of M1 goes in, and nothing comes out, decreasing the size of M1, making the remaining dollars more valuable.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:44 PM  

@33

"
Right now you see it with the police that are becoming paranoid and militarized, and have just become traffic ticket tax collectors."

Hey, now there's an idea that the public will get behind -- local, or even state voter initiatives that specify a maximum percentage of the police on duty at any one time who can be on traffic duty.

Say, no more than 20% of your on-duty police officers can be on ticket-writing duty. The rest have to be on non-traffic patrol and/or working on criminal investigations.

The excuse "We catch most of our people with warrants on traffic stops!" doesn't cut it -- put more of your cops ON serving warrants, and you won't have to stop so many people just so you can come across some guy with an outstanding warrant.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 1:57 PM  

@35

"And offend your HOA"

When I was in junior high school (late 1970's), we moved to a brand new house in a subdivision as it was being built. Of course, it had an HOA... bcause, of course, the builder didn't want the expense of putting in sidewalks. That's almost always the excuse for putting in an HOA -- to get these things done that the sub builder didn't do.

My dad, for all of his faults... decided to get on the HOA, and within 2 years was the head of the HOA -- so the monthly meetings were in our dining room. You would not believe the moronic B.S. rules that people wanted the HOA to make and enforce. My dad basically used the ever-growing mountain of these ridiculous proposals as weapons against each new one. If someone in the neighborhood was persistent, he'd walk by the house, and take note of what other proposed rules that this homeowner would be violating if everybody was allowed to stick their nose into everybody's business, and then send that homeowner a letter saying that if the HOA adopted this rule, then they would be obligated to adopt all of these other rules which would put that homeowner in violation.

I drove through that neighborhood recently (my parents moved to another house around 1987).... still no sidewalks for the neighborhood kids to use instead of riding their tricycles in the street. And there's a lot of twisty roads in that sub.

I'm waiting for a state to ban HOAs. They never do what they are specifically created for, and they're nothing but a pain in the rear to homeowners in the sub. If some homeowner's use of his land is so outlandish, then I'm sure you can get the entire CITY put it on the books in the local criminal code.
No city in the world wants to deal with "can I put up a swingset in my backyard" applications.
Yet HOAs seem to thrive on that lunacy.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 2:14 PM  

"OT but related, corporate now blocks this site, supposedly for racism and hate speech"

Detroit VA ... for the same reasons.

I'm going to complain to my congress critter and senator that such CENSORSHIP in a government building, specifically serving those who are suffering the medical aftermath of serving their country TO PROTECT IT FROM SUCH CENSORSHIP is not merely criminal, but goes into sedition, and while not treason, is definitely the act of someone who is some sort of counter-Revolutionary Tory, or worse.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 2:18 PM  

@40

"The blood was probably still wet when they started yelling "gun control" again: https://www.dailycaller.com/2018/10/27/democrats-shooting-pittsburgh-gun-control/"

Deep State Dems just can't resist directing their free kicks AT their own net.

Blogger FP October 29, 2018 5:20 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:At some point, someone's going to go to court and demand the right to stop paying their debts because the debt holder violated the debtor's terms of service.

We're already seeing lawsuits against the companies/corps that after the Parkland shooting raised the age they would sell guns to, from 18 to 21. I know of three lawsuits in Oregon alone. One against Dicks Sporting Goods/Field n' Stream, Fred Meyer stores, and against Walmart. I think the girl in the Walmart case is asking for $135k, the same amount fined to the bakery who refused to bake the lesbian wedding cake.

As for Torba and Gab, it was indeed both hilarious to see him go after the lolicons/lolita types recently. I saw one post of his where he defended his actions because lolicons porn was illegal, disgusting and most people think its wrong. I guess that led to him going after all of the anime weeb types? So much for that free speech absolutism ideal.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants October 29, 2018 5:36 PM  

Twitter also doesn't ban hardcore or explicit gay porn or solicitation either. Why would Torba want that sick Weeb sh*t on his site, anyway??
What are you advocating for? Underage loli porn?
Ugh.
As for so-called "alt retards" on Gab, less than 6% of their nearly 1 mil subs were far right.

Blogger Ahärôwn October 29, 2018 5:39 PM  

I enjoyed the darksream, Vox. You never did finish your story about unbuilt houses, though.

I'm waiting for a state to ban HOAs.

As a Canadian living in Ontario, we don't have such things (we do out west, though). When I did my undergrad in the US, I was astonished that such things existed. Around here, we have municipal by-laws, which mandate such things as short lawns and no junkyards in one's yard, among other things. Failure to comply leads to a by-law officer coming around, and the town can hire someone to do it for you (such as long grass), with the charge added to your property tax bill. Fines can also apply.

Overall, it works well, and the restrictions tend to be less onerous (no one cares about swing-sets or vegetable gardens). The by-laws can of course be amended by the city/town councils - one city I grew up had banned clotheslines many years before, and only when new residents started getting visits by the by-law officers did everyone realize how ridiculous the law was, so it was dropped.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare October 29, 2018 6:08 PM  

@James Dixon "...he did nothing of the kind. He banned hentai of underage children which is already considered child pornography and is illegal by current interpretation of the law."

That's incorrect. Current United States law, and court precedent, does not forbid creation, dissemination, or possession of artistic depictions (whether digital or physical) that are intended to depict children under the age of majority in a deliberately sexual way, insofar as no actual children were involved in any step of the process...there are other ways (if it's devoid of artistic value, legally ruled to be an "obscenity" by a court, etc, to get on trouble for it, but it is incorrect to say it is "illegal by current interpretation of the law" in the United States. In the UK, it's illegal, but the US is another kettle of fish.

I know Vox disagrees with Free Speech as a concept, at least in a post-Christendom world, but I'm still struggling with my childhood reverence for the first amendment...and art (however disgusting and distasteful) is a first amendment issue. Plus I dislike it when people say the law forbids something when it actually doesn't.

Sorry about the Wiki link, but here's a link to the Wikipedia article on the subject. Read the United States entry, specifically, to verify that I'm not just inventing stuff...heh.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors

God bless!

Blogger James Dixon October 29, 2018 8:40 PM  

> That's incorrect.

Tell it to the Feds when they show up at your door, not me. I'm not the one making the call, they are, and it's obvious they still consider it illegal.

Blogger tz October 30, 2018 9:15 AM  

Also Dick's doesnt pay up for an ammo contract

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare October 31, 2018 1:41 AM  

Yeah, the Feds might think it's illegal, and they can ruin your life if they feel like it, but they can destroy your life over a parking ticket if they feel like it. You didn't say "The Feds consider it illegal." You said "it's illegal by current interpretation of the law."

The Courts interpret the law, not the Feds. If you said "it can get you arrested, and take years to get your case overturned by a court of appeals, all the while languishing in prison, etc" I would've agreed.

Just because a cop thinks it's illegal to flip him off doesn't mean it's actually illegal; but even if it's unequivocally legal, it's still a stupid thing to do.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 3:37 AM  

Just remember, if the cops take your computer for one thing.... ALL THE OTHER THINGS ON YOUR COMPUTER go out the door, into the evidence room, too.

Backups are essential, even if you've never done anything (innocent people get search warrants served on them all the time. You probably don't want to wait 2+ years to get all your electronic records back because you don't have any backups.)

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare October 31, 2018 11:38 AM  

No disagreements from me on that! Keep backups of your backups, and *maintain* the storage media you use for those backups, otherwise you'll go looking for a file in your backup storage and it'll be gone, or corrupted beyond recovery. You know that, of course, I'm just emphasizing my agreement with you. Now I think we've wandered pretty far off topic, lol. Sorry, Vox.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 01, 2018 2:56 AM  

It's consistent with the topic.

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