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Sunday, November 04, 2018

Free speech fail

What we have here is a complete failure to anticipate:
When Gab.com goes back online this weekend there will inevitably be a flood of psyop accounts created to drive division and break our guidelines. We will need your help more than ever to spot them and take action.
It only took Andrew Torba 14 months to come around to the very position for which he attempted to publicly mock me and for which he completely sold out Spacebunny, to whom he had appealed in the first place in order to obtain my help. Why do you think I subsequently concluded he was not ready for prime time and refused to have anything to do with him or his site? I'm not pretending that I don't despise the guy, of course I do, but when have my analyses of people or situations ever been based on my feelings about them?

There are few things I find more stupidly tedious than clueless people babbling about "not punching right" or "we're all on the same side". No. We're not. There are more than two sides. That's binary thinking. And believing and supporting everyone who says they are opposed to the most extreme Left or are capable of mouthing the right words at the right time in a public situation is exactly how the Right wound up following opinion leaders such as William F. Buckley, Bill Kristol, Glenn Beck, and Ben Shapiro, and enriching shameless grifters like Jordan Peterson and Candace Owens. It's how the Right always end up with sell-outs, surrender monkeys, cucks, cons, and outright liberals running the Conservative Establishment.

Character matters. Integrity matters. A willingness to speak the truth matters. Consistency matters. Loyalty matters. A devotion to a consciously anti-Christian tactic as a principle, especially a false devotion to a fake principle one is not even willing to stand by under pressure, is simply no basis for trusting someone, following someone, or even deeming someone to be on our side.

In other platform-related news, if you subscribe to the Darkstream, I would encourage you to follow my new account on Stream.me for a livestreaming alternative to YouTube. There are some minor issues to resolve; my new router appears to be causing occasional interruptions in the simulstreams and I can't see the Stream.me comments yet, but we'll work them out.

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36 Comments:

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira November 04, 2018 6:29 AM  

Going through a guy's wife for his help, then disrespecting the wife. Torba is lucky you are only a fake Italian.

Blogger Gregory the Great November 04, 2018 7:43 AM  

If you do not listen to Daddy you will have to learn things the hard way

Blogger Nate November 04, 2018 7:49 AM  

If I am not mistaken.. Don't punch right was primarily used as a shield by Alt retard. It was never anything but cover for the fake right.

Blogger VD November 04, 2018 7:53 AM  

It was never anything but cover for the fake right.

It's a variant on Reagan's policy of not publicly criticizing other Republicans. But note they manifestly NEVER followed it themselves and never hesitated to attack people on the Right. Which, of course, should have been seen as a reliable indication that they were Leftists, who always believe in "rules for thee, not for me".

Blogger digz November 04, 2018 8:20 AM  

Hi Vox can you please shed some light on Candace Owens being a grifter. ? Haven't seen on anything on vox populi about her.

Blogger maniacprovost November 04, 2018 8:23 AM  

The absolute free speech principle, from someone like Torbao, is just a poorly thought out idea promoted by the WSJ school of Republicanism. It has certain merits if you don't examine exactly what it implies.

The fact that it was originally espoused by clueless liberal dupes as an attack vector for the progressives is merely a warning sign to investigate further.

Blogger The Kurgan November 04, 2018 8:32 AM  

Torba is stupid.
I am increasingly concluding that for the vast demonic forces to be overthrown we would need a solid core of non-MPAI people of about 10,000 acting as well disciplined soldiers.

And I’m far more optimistic than most, and am actively working at building that, but I’m sure glad we have the second coming as a backstop.

Blogger Duke Norfolk November 04, 2018 8:36 AM  

Today is the reset from DST, which was just another of the many mistakes of the 20th century. It needs to be banished.

And on topic, although free speech wasn't an invention of the 20th Cent, it was inevitably exploited by (((someone))) to undermine The West. White people really need to wake up to this reality. We can't have nice things if we don't keep out the rabble.

Blogger Silly but True November 04, 2018 8:43 AM  

Let’s start from fact that in 2015 Candace Owens described the Tea Party on her Degree180 blog that she founded as: “bat-shit-crazy antics of the Republican Tea Party. The good news is, they will eventually die off (peacefully in their sleep, we hope), and then we can get right on with the OBVIOUS social change that needs to happen, IMMEDIATELY.”

In the same year, again through Degree180, she crowdfunded a $75,000 campaign for her Social Autopsy website the only purpose of which was to track the badthink digital footprint of individuals and organizations. It’s motto was “wave goodbye to cyber bullies and trolls.” It’s purpose was to fix and harass the deplorable people; in opposition, Gamergate outed her behind the project and she blamed them for its failure.

Next, realize that in 2016, Owens did not vote for Trump.

Blogger urthshu November 04, 2018 8:45 AM  

And believing and supporting everyone who says they are opposed to the most extreme Left or are capable of mouthing the right words at the right time in a public situation is exactly how the Right wound up following opinion leaders such as

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Lindsay Graham? He'd done well during the Kavanaugh hearings but I'm certain his true colors will assert themselves once again at a critical moment

Blogger VD November 04, 2018 9:00 AM  

Hi Vox can you please shed some light on Candace Owens being a grifter.

She's a conservative-talking black woman with zero conservative history who makes six digits saying things that no one would even notice if a white man was saying them. This isn't rocket science.

Whites eat this stuff up and a certain type of black knows it and is able to capitalize on it. We had one guy like her in my high school, and my brother's college roommate was another one. She's this political cycle's Herman Cain.

Blogger Miguel November 04, 2018 9:06 AM  

This blog has taught me that "free speech" is mostly anti-Christian. So, whoever worships it is doomed to failure.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 04, 2018 9:23 AM  

If you want to get right down about it, "free" almost anything is a fairly long-running satanic codeword launching off of the concept that God's laws are oppressive. "Chains holding us down", rather than what they actually are, which is the chains holding us up.

Look at the "Atheistic"/satanic "Non-serviam" ("I will not serve") in contrast to the gesture of folding one's hands in prayer which is descended from a gesture indicating "I will serve (God)".

This is also why we reference the crowleyan "Do as thou wilt" as a reliable indicator of the most evil of influences.

Blogger tz November 04, 2018 9:30 AM  

DST - first proposed by Ben Franklin IIRC - shows that people obey machines instead of relying on their common sense to adapt their hours to the seasons. With smartphones we are all on UTC in one way or another and can figure out if something is open or not even if it was "30 minutes after sunrise". But the clock is the shepherd to the sheeple.

Blogger David Ray Milton November 04, 2018 9:41 AM  

Candace Owens literally cries “Racism” more than any Democrat I could name. She’s Marco Rubio conservativism who is black, even younger, and prettier. She’s also a talented speaker and debater for her age. However, it seems her real goal is just black community leadership, which should surprise no one.

For strategy purposes beyond these mid-terms, everyone should be a bit nervous that a black lady whose primary message is “Free markets are better for blacks than the welfare state” is rallying blacks to the American Right. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with her, but she seems to have a big microphone right now, and with the voting results that she might be able to deliver there will come expectations of reward either for herself or her constituents.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 04, 2018 9:54 AM  

We had a name for people like Candace Owens some years ago.
We called them "paytriots"
They mainly just stuck to screwing with sovereign citizen movements. The usual "if you sign your documents a certain way the IRS will have to give you a million dollars. Buy my books to learn how".

Candace Owens is a good sign that we are winning because if we were not, she would not be here trying to make a profit off us.

But I would also place blame on these damned boomers who look at Owens and think " oh great somebody the left will be afraid to demonize is on our side".
As if the left followed their rules.
As if the left was ever afraid of double standards. Truth is they get off on it.
As if the left never treated plantation escapees worse than they treat white men.

Furthermore we can say the same for all these white women mouthing the same things that got countless men nowhere if not ruined. The good thing is the growing attitude towards such tbots: "you want to help? Find a good man, and go home and make white babies". The most powerful a trade woman can do is replicate herself.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 04, 2018 10:19 AM  

can you please shed some light on Candace Owens being a grifter.

She got her start as a literal race huckster, suing her high school over racist threats by other students. She got into a spat with Randi Harper and Zoe Quinn when her own peace-through-doxing company threatened to compete with theirs and possibly expose their own doxing. When they attacked her, that was enough to get binary thinkers on the right to embrace her, so she became a born-again conservative with a mission to redpill blacks.

She has an Encyclopaedia Dramatica page.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim November 04, 2018 10:24 AM  

I love to deconstruct (using their tactic against them) this phrase as “Do as thou wilt”= “Do whatever you desire, even as you decay and die.”
The wages of sin...

Blogger Lucas November 04, 2018 10:24 AM  

Vox,

Israel is saving Western civilization. Ben Shapiro said it.

Blogger Xiety November 04, 2018 10:29 AM  

I always took the expression literally, as in don't publicly criticize those on the right who are more committed or less compromising.

Blogger Xiety November 04, 2018 10:37 AM  

Silly but True wrote:In the same year, again through Degree180, she crowdfunded a $75,000 campaign for her Social Autopsy website the only purpose of which was to track the badthink digital footprint of individuals and organizations.
And her promo video for Social Autopsy enthusiastically explained that the service would of course include children since "there's no better time" to teach people the importance of these things.

Blogger By My Greybeard! November 04, 2018 10:42 AM  

Azure,

I'm certain you already know the information I'm stating below — I'm also, from experience, aware that most do not. Also, this is imho, to the best of my understanding, *only*!

The statement of '...do as thou wilt...' (ie, do as you want), is not in opposition to His (ie., our Heavenly Father's) Laws.

But true to satan's way that is only HALF the Truth!

The rest of it is that we suffer the consequences of our choices and actions. The Lord pays for our “inherited” sin, and our personal, self-committed, sin IF we accept Him and are obedient to His commands... while still and always fervently searching to do good as He has commanded us.

We still, more likely than not, would suffer the consequences of choices, though the might be “softened”, but there won't be an Eternal Penalty for those actions b/c The Lord has paid THAT price.

It has been my experience this concept is the most common stumbling block to people investigating Christianity.

It also answers the “how can a goog God allow this?”

Blogger Dirk Manly November 04, 2018 11:11 AM  

@14

"DST - first proposed by Ben Franklin IIRC - shows that people obey machines instead of relying on their common sense to adapt their hours to the seasons. With smartphones we are all on UTC in one way or another and can figure out if something is open or not even if it was "30 minutes after sunrise". But the clock is the shepherd to the sheeple."

Living the day by the clock comes from factories. No other human endeavor before factory work required everybody to show up all at the same time before anything could get started.

Blogger VD November 04, 2018 11:12 AM  

The statement of '...do as thou wilt...' (ie, do as you want), is not in opposition to His (ie., our Heavenly Father's) Laws.

You are absolutely and entirely wrong.

Blogger Duke Norfolk November 04, 2018 11:51 AM  

VD wrote:She's this political cycle's Herman Cain.

Yeah, she's a total opportunist that shouldn't be trusted. And seems to be 10x worse than Cain.

Good grief I wish men of the right would let go of their desperate desire to pander to black people who say ANYTHING that sounds right-ish. It's really pathetic.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 04, 2018 12:31 PM  

"The statement of '...do as thou wilt...' (ie, do as you want), is not in opposition to His (ie., our Heavenly Father's) Laws."

For all humanly significant intents and purposed, yes it is. This is exactly why we have the struggle to throw off the old-man. Because the old-man loves everything perverse and sinful and malicious.

If you could "do as thou wilt" in entire alignment with God, you'd already be perfect under the Law and not in need of salvation through Jesus. Observably, very, very, very few, if any, fit that description.

We all have desires. There are sinful (twisted) desires, and there are desires that are not sinful. Someone with all the good desires and none of the twisted ones could indeed do as they wished, because they would wish nothing out of line with God's will. How many people are you aware of that can/would/did/do pull that off? I'm personally aware of maaaybe one (even he didn't seem to want the cup), and there are still ongoing arguments as to exactly what extent he was a human being.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 04, 2018 12:34 PM  

"It also answers the “how can a goog God allow this?”"

How could a good God possibly do anything else than destroy evil?

That He has provided a path to salvation through sacrifice not our own is entirely an unmerited bonus extended to us.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson November 04, 2018 1:00 PM  

"Do what thou wilt" is easily the most wicked ideology ever put forth to humanity. All of us to some degree or another have a sensual, carnal and devilish desires that we struggle against. "Do what thou wilt" says that we are free to engage in all of our wickedest desires and there is nothing wrong with that. In a world where everybody practiced "Do what thou wilt" would be constant theft as greedy people stole from others, constant sexual abuse as rapers engaged in their twisted desires, etc. As evil and twisted as our world currently is you don't want to live in a world where everybody explicitly lived by "Do what thou wilt."

Blogger Lance E November 04, 2018 2:52 PM  

Somewhat O/T: You mentioned on this Darkstream that Peterson's Self-Authoring course was a proven scam. Could you point us to that study? I thought his claims about it seemed suspicious but so far haven't found any systematic review - would appreciate something I can distribute to family and friends about it.

Blogger S. Misanthrope November 04, 2018 3:44 PM  

Same here. Or I can wait for Jordanetics, which I have preordered.

Blogger Samuel Nock November 04, 2018 5:46 PM  

The only two times I've seen Candice Owen's views discussed were when:

1. She said we should give former felons the vote (after she spoke with Black men in prison); and

2. We said we should grant citizenship to the caravan people.

Yeah, the bar is pretty low for Conservative Inc., and the Alt Lite, to welcome in and celebrate "Black Conservatives".

Blogger tz November 04, 2018 6:05 PM  

Or freedom of conscience or religion

Blogger By My Greybeard! November 04, 2018 6:48 PM  

I know of no one like that.
Nor do I expect to.

You seem to understand me pretty much, I think that you got what I was trying to say.

Thank you for restating it much more eloquently and clearly than I was able.

I was speaking to the lie The Adversary has used as a trap. My point was that b/c *we* couldn't obey a Perfect Law, b|c of our inherent fallen nature, a Perfect Sacrafice (not a fallen one) was necessary.

If not for our fallen nature, we could do as we willed, b/c our will would be in harmony with God's.

I've had people tell me all my life I am wrong, but I God isn't capricious, so I know that within the limited limits of my damaged mind and fallen soul I can gain *some* understanding of Him.

In a difficult life, filled with killing and death, constant nearly unbearable pain, with all my friends passed, except my wife, this has sustained me. From this I will not budge.

God is Good, Perfect, Knows us and Loves us. He allows Evil a space (temporally) to develop us and allow us to practice Free Agency under conditions where the choice of who to listen to is real. He wants strong, vigorous souls, not "hothouse pampered plants."

If this offends, I am only speaking of what I've learned.

Please forgive the length. I do get chatty when I'm fatigued.

Blogger By My Greybeard! November 04, 2018 7:00 PM  

I'm fairly sure I agree, but I'm just too fatigued to expand on my answer to explore it.

Or, we could do this via email, if that's better.

– BmG

Blogger James Dixon November 05, 2018 8:58 AM  

It looks like Gab is trying to come back up this morning, albeit intermittently so. A normal page loads, at any rate.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2018 1:14 PM  

Some background on the origins of Candace Owens
https://www.sjwlist.com/Candace_Owens

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