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Saturday, December 01, 2018

As Gandalf to Saruman

I had always tended to think of Jordan Peterson as more of a Grima Wormtongue than anything, but this chilling quote from the Lord of the Rings cited by an English reviewer of Jordanetics named Janet is weirdly prophetic concerning the way most of Peterson's followers can't even tell you what his teachings actually are, and how many of them react so furiously to even the most soundly-sourced criticism of their spiritual guru:
I read voraciously but don't normally leave reviews, mostly because I never know what to write. However, this book is too important to be neglected, it needs to be spread and read as widely as possible, so I wanted to leave a 5 star rating. I freely admit that I was fooled by Jordan Peterson to begin with. But after a while of following his videos, I began to feel firstly confused, then uneasy, then I was reminded of Tolkien's description of Saruman:

"Suddenly another voice spoke, low and melodious, its very sound an enchantment. Those who listened unwarily to that voice could seldom report the words that they heard; and if they did, they wondered, for little power remained in them. Mostly they remembered only that it was a delight to hear the voice speaking, all that it said seemed wise and reasonable, and desire awoke in them by swift agreement to seem wise themselves. When others spoke they seemed harsh and uncouth by contrast, and if they gainsaid the voice, anger was kindled in the hearts of those under the spell. For some the spell lasted only while the voice spoke to them, and when it spoke to another they smiled, as men do who see through a juggler's trick while others gape at it. For many the sound of the voice alone was enough to hold them enthralled; but for those whom it conquered the spell endured when they were far away, and ever they heard that soft voice whispering and urging them. But none were unmoved; none rejected its pleas and its commands without an effort of mind and will, so long as its master had control of it."
(The Two Towers, Ch. 10)

If I tried to grasp what Peterson said and make proper sense of it, it was impossible. He uses words like Humpty Dumpty in Alice Through the Looking Glass; every meaning is fluid and a word can mean something different every day. And yet pointing out any contradiction or inconsistency, or even mild questioning, stirs up a frothing rage in his followers.

Vox Day is the Gandalf to Peterson's Saruman, destroying the illusion and showing the man for what he truly is. No doubt he seems harsh and uncouth to those enthralled by Peterson. But in this book, with surgical precision he eviscerates Peterson's writings, smokes out their incoherence and insanity, reveals the bones of their underlying malignancy, and displays the results like a neatly filleted kipper. Sadly, like the kipper - and Saruman's malevolence - Peterson's words may superficially taste good, but their oily stench is likely to linger for some time. That's why this book needs to be spread far and wide, to counteract the spell.
Help spread the book far and wide. Pick up a copy of the paperback. And if you're not in the USA, you can already order it from Amazon. They'll have it in stock before the end of the week.

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45 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 01, 2018 11:15 AM  

YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 01, 2018 11:23 AM  

This also fits, because Peterson sold out to Satan, like Saruman did to Sauron, at some point. This would make Shapiro Grima Wormtongue, then.

Blogger Avalanche December 01, 2018 11:38 AM  

"Vox Day is the Gandalf to Peterson's Saruman, destroying the illusion and showing the man for what he truly is"

Oh BRAVA! Well done Janet S!

Blogger Tars Tarkusz December 01, 2018 11:49 AM  

More like the stench of sulfur.

Blogger Nate73 December 01, 2018 11:52 AM  

The movie left it out but after the war was over Saruman decided to get spiteful revenge on the hobbits by imposing a bunch of strict rules and taking over their hometown with thugs, ultimately coming to a bad end from one of his own. If that's true then we might see actual Jordanetics emerge eventually.

It also reminds me of the 1984ish Ministry of Peace from that show Babylon 5. If you look at aesthetics they start out well-dressed, well-spoken, and reasonable. It's all about peace and helping your neighbor and being watchful against sinister outside forces. By the time the season is over they are psychotic, grimy thugs that are engaged in kidnapping and murder.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VA9pZ_kY0

Blogger Win December 01, 2018 11:53 AM  

" That's why this book needs to be spread far and wide, to counteract the spell."
and the smell.

Blogger Jack Ward December 01, 2018 11:56 AM  

Now, that's a review! Well done Janet!
I suspect that if Tolkein were still alive and Vox not around, then, Mr. Tolkein would have taken up the mailed fist against Peterson and, possibly, equaled the Vox expose and take down.

Blogger Jack Ward December 01, 2018 11:59 AM  

I have to say that, should Peterson become Prime Minister of Canada, then my feelings that he is the anti-Christ will be horribly confirmed. In my mind at least...

Blogger L' Aristokrato December 01, 2018 12:00 PM  

"Suddenly another voice spoke, Kermit-like..."

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 01, 2018 12:10 PM  

Possibly, Jack?

Blogger Miguel December 01, 2018 12:16 PM  

"That's why this book needs to be spread far and wide, to counteract the spell."

Bingo! Remember I said during the previous Darkstream that I believe that Jordan has demons working for him? You cannot be a globalist without pledging allegience to the Fallen Angel.

Thank you Vox for being the morden day Saul of Tarsus to call out the evil
from this modern day Barjesus. Dont feel bad if Jordan Peterson kills himself. It's not your fault.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 01, 2018 12:24 PM  

I have known people who for the most part could have been considered "on board" who fell for JP. People I considered allies. Now I have to wonder of reckless ignorance.

And this has been very disturbingly scary. Like realizing your house is haunted but you can't just move away.

So who is Wormtongue in all this? I would bet on Ben Shapiro.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei December 01, 2018 12:42 PM  

Is it to Tolkien-geeky to equate him with Maeglin, plotting the destruction of the last stronghold of the West because of lust and envy, all while pretending to be the most loyal and devoted of subjects?

Blogger pyrrhus December 01, 2018 12:42 PM  

Great review, and I think it applies not only to JP but to the entire crew of Globalist wormtongues...

Blogger Rick December 01, 2018 12:49 PM  

Obama had the same effect on people. He literally said nothing. And you could project your own meaning onto their nice-soudingness.

Blogger Andrew Brown December 01, 2018 1:04 PM  

Can just imagine Vox wielding the flame of anor, fighting the Balrog.

Blogger John Bradley December 01, 2018 1:10 PM  

If only there were a picture of him out there somewhere holding a flaming sword...

Blogger Don't Call Me Len December 01, 2018 1:20 PM  

Many people are desperate for a star to follow and a creed to adhere to, so as to relieve them of the burden of making difficult moral decisions. Lots of folks claim to abhor having lots of rules, but they actually have a powerful emotional need to be told what to do, and "I was only following orders!" is a popular rationalization, if not necessarily an acceptable legal defense.

Blogger justaguy December 01, 2018 1:46 PM  

I don't know if I would place JP as Saruman-- he never was that powerful-- I mean the head of the wizards(angels) who becomes fallen. I think that he is the creation of a globalist/UN Saruman-- so in the LOTR he would be one of the Orc Captains maybe. YMMV.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey December 01, 2018 2:01 PM  

Vox is Gandalf? I had him pegged for Legolas.

Blogger Dad29 December 01, 2018 2:03 PM  

Holy Cow...!!

As I note in my blog, the description of the effect of Sarumon's speech above is near word-for-word what Robert Hugh Benson wrote when describing the effects of "Felsenburgh's" speeches. (Felsenburgh was a Mason and "President" of the entire Western world in Benson's novel.

I would be surprised if Tolkien had NOT read Benson's novel; thus, the comparison is deliberate.

Hmmmm.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 01, 2018 2:04 PM  

Legolas is obviously European

Blogger Dad29 December 01, 2018 2:04 PM  

*Cough*....stupid on my part.

Benson's novel is "Lord Of This World."

Blogger Tupla-J December 01, 2018 2:28 PM  

Wither from That Hideous Strength also comes to mind.

Blogger Jill Domschot December 01, 2018 2:31 PM  

Shapiro has the personality of a Wormtongue.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz December 01, 2018 2:44 PM  

Jill Domschot wrote:Shapiro has the personality of a Wormtongue.

He re-tweets anti-Trump stuff all day.
Since this is not his nation or his people, "economic" arguments trumps everything else.
That section of the debate with Tucker really showed his total lack of concern for the American Nation and People. Fake Right wing tribe members always do this. It reminds me of when Milton Freedman justified Ford saving a few pennies on a car to reliably kill a certain number of people every year. These Jews never advocate the same stuff for their people.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 01, 2018 2:45 PM  

"Shapiro has the personality of a Wormtongue."

I'd go with David Hogg.

Blogger Houston December 01, 2018 2:48 PM  

"Is it to Tolkien-geeky to equate him with Maeglin, plotting the destruction of the last stronghold of the West because of lust and envy, all while pretending to be the most loyal and devoted of subjects?"

Too geeky. Unlike LOTR, the Silmarillion hasn't become part of popular culture.

Blogger Matt Sellitto December 01, 2018 2:51 PM  

From the Fellowship of the Ring:

I looked then and saw that his robes, which had seemed white, were not so, but were woven of all colours, and if he moved they shimmered and changed hue so that the eye was bewildered.
“I liked white better,” I said.
“White!” he sneered. “It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten; and the white light can be broken.”
"In which case it is no longer white,” said I. “And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.”

Blogger CYGNUS FACETIOUS December 01, 2018 3:05 PM  

I can see JBP in a Chinese dwarf entertainment village, terrorizing the shire on a slope, after all this is done: Saruman The Leaf.

Blogger urthshu December 01, 2018 3:05 PM  

I am enjoying reading about Peterson and VDs take on him but I've never read or watched anything by Peterson to begin with. I find it hard to believe that he's as popular as said.

Blogger Long Live The West December 01, 2018 3:06 PM  

"I have to say that, should Peterson become Prime Minister of Canada, then my feelings that he is the anti-Christ will be horribly confirmed. In my mind at least..."

You're probably getting carried away here.

The Antichrist is going to be a man of power. Not some conflict avoident clown who talks about not sleeping for 25 days becauase he drank some apple cider vinegar.

Blogger God Emperor Memes December 01, 2018 3:41 PM  

The man was completely incapable of coherent extemporaneous speech. That fact alone told me he was an imbecile. In another place, a person whose only skill is reading lines is known as "an actor".

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 01, 2018 3:54 PM  

Legolas is obviously European

Legolas is obviously Milo.

Blogger Avalanche December 01, 2018 3:57 PM  

@26 " It reminds me of when Milton Freedman justified Ford saving a few pennies on a car to reliably kill a certain number of people every year. These Jews never advocate the same stuff for their people."


Hmmm, not quite caught all the way up on what-all the Jews have done to their OWN, eh? Like actually negotiating turning down Madagascar (as a future homeland) at the cost of thousands of 'petty jews' in the alleged death camps. Well, keep learning, keep waking up...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 01, 2018 5:07 PM  

I have to say that, should Peterson become Prime Minister of Canada, then …
Even in Canada, that will never ever happen.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 01, 2018 5:40 PM  

Good video by Millennial Woes on JBP:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5INZOq7bxkw

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums December 01, 2018 6:05 PM  

"Vox Day is the Gandalf to Peterson's Saruman, destroying the illusion and showing the man for what he truly is."

FALSE
Vox is more like Strider. He tries to keep to himself but people around him constantly push him to the front of the army whether he likes it or not.

Blogger Silent Draco December 01, 2018 7:33 PM  

Wuzzums, that's the movie Strider. True Strider was proving his merit to the oldest living relative this side of the Great Sea.

Vox is more like a claymore. "Front towards enemy." This followed by a horrifying blast of rhetoric with hard balls of dialectic embedded.

Blogger Frank Lee December 01, 2018 8:51 PM  

"I am enjoying reading about Peterson and VDs take on him but I've never read or watched anything by Peterson to begin with. I find it hard to believe that he's as popular as said."

Same here. My only awareness of Peterson (before Vox) was the overhyped PR about him standing firm against pronoun proliferation. I barely glanced at the articles about it before feeling like there was something very suspicious about it being newsworthy and something very empty about Peterson's stand. Particularly his absurd comments about being willing to go to jail over the issue. It all felt manufactured from the start. (Not that multiple pronouns aren't stupid, but a rather modest target for passionate protest.)

I also am highly dubious he makes as much money as they claim he does, or his book is legitimately as popular as claimed (Ms. Marvel?). I would also speculate that a good number of his crazed fans who attack anyone who criticizes him are paid to do so.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums December 01, 2018 9:44 PM  

JBP got internet famous by being attacked by SJW's. Like any target of such mobs he managed to get on channels like Rubin, Molyneux, and several Skeptics (TM). At some point he created a Patreon account and was making some serious dough, something like 1M+ per year. He then quit his job and pursued this whole anti-SJW shtick to the point of selling 2000$ carpets on twitter.

People were eating his shit up so certain people noticed the guy was a massive cash-cow and jumped on the opportunity. So now he's literally everywhere. They're not pulling any stops, he's being pushed on every conceivable platform because they know that udder's gonna go dry at some point. His original audience moved on a while back, some even turned on him. There's a clear turnover of his fanbase.

His celebrity follows the pattern of a fad. People are really excited at first but the novelty wears out fast. It's all artificial, you see. This is why the Weinstein Bros. are also being pushed. One of them has followed the same pattern: attacked by SJWs, get internet famous, get invited to "independent" media outlets like Rogan and Rubin, get more famous, do talks with 200$ admission fees, make your masters rich.

Tired of Peteson? Try Weinstein!
Tired of Weinstein? Try Shapiro!

I suspect the next person they'll try to groom is Tommy Robinson. He's a prime candidate which underwent the same pattern but I doubt he'll cave. His views have remained consistent, he has actually had to suffer for his beliefs, his accent doesn't fit the "intellectual dark web" image, and the things he talks about aren't exactly TV-friendly.

Or come to think of it after JBP is outed as a fraud and everyone turns on him they might trot out Sam Harris again and credit him as the first to expose JBP. Then the cycle repeats itself again and again.

Blogger Daniel December 01, 2018 11:04 PM  

I also am highly dubious he makes as much money as they claim he does, or his book is legitimately as popular as claimed (Ms. Marvel?).

Dude. You have to be blind to have missed Peterson's ubiquity and popularity. Ms. Marvel? Come on.

Do a nationwide library search. Try to find a copy of 12 Rules that is not checked out. Then try to find a Ms. Marvel that is even on order...

Now I doubt many who buy the book actually read or understand it, but if you can get postliterates to buy a book, there is something more powerful than SJW shennanigans going on.

Blogger Jay in DC December 01, 2018 11:08 PM  

Excerpt:

"'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be (((master)))? — that's all.'

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they're the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'

'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always ((((pay it extra))).'"

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 01, 2018 11:41 PM  

@Avalanche

Hmmm, not quite caught all the way up on what-all the Jews have done to their OWN, eh? Like actually negotiating turning down Madagascar (as a future homeland) at the cost of thousands of 'petty jews' in the alleged death camps.

Or this:
https://infogalactic.com/info/Patria_disaster

The Patria disaster was the sinking on 25 November 1940 by the Haganah of a French-built ocean liner, the 11,885-ton SS Patria, in the port of Haifa, killing 267 people and injuring 172.[1]

At the time of the sinking, the Patria was carrying about 1,800 Jewish refugees from Nazi-occupied Europe whom the British authorities were deporting from Mandatory Palestine to Mauritius because they lacked entry permits. Zionist organizations opposed the deportation, and the underground paramilitary Haganah group planted a bomb intended to disable the ship to prevent it from leaving Haifa.

The Haganah claims to have miscalculated the effects of the explosion. The bomb blew the steel frame off one full side of the ship and the ship sank in less than 16 minutes, trapping hundreds in the hold. The British allowed the survivors to remain in Palestine...


Which was what mattered, of course. Better some of the Jews alive in Palestine, than all of them alive in Mauritius.

Blogger Unknown December 02, 2018 9:25 AM  

That new Jordan/Shapiro/Rubin talk, at around 1 hour in, has Peterson waffling on only to be told by Ben that it was a non-Christian waffle, but a Judaic waffle that Ben can agree with

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