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Wednesday, December 05, 2018

So much for "hard-working" immigrants

Remember how conservatives like to talk about hard-working immigrants? And how liberals like to talk about how immigrants work harder than native US citizens? Yeah, well, they're just more lies being utilized to justify the invasion of the United States and the displacement of Americans:
More than 7-in-10 households headed by immigrants in the state of California are on taxpayer-funded welfare, a new study reveals.

The latest Census Bureau data analyzed by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) finds that about 72 percent of households headed by noncitizens and immigrants use one or more forms of taxpayer-funded welfare programs in California — the number one immigrant-receiving state in the U.S.

Meanwhile, only about 35 percent of households headed by native-born Americans use welfare in California.

All four states with the largest foreign-born populations, including California, have extremely high use of welfare by immigrant households. In Texas, for example, nearly 70 percent of households headed by immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare. Meanwhile, only about 35 percent of native-born households in Texas are on welfare.

In New York and Florida, a majority of households headed by immigrants and noncitizens are on welfare. Overall, about 63 percent of immigrant households use welfare while only 35 percent of native-born households use welfare.
Mass immigration is actually WORSE than military invasion and occupation over an extended period of time. It usually costs more native lives too.

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Blogger wahr01 December 05, 2018 3:37 AM  

They don't have to hide the truth anymore because they can get their Silicon Valley friends to "un-person" anyone who raises a voice against mass migration and stuff the ballot boxes via "ballot harvesting" to assure the legislature is stacked in their favor.

Blogger I DontTroll December 05, 2018 3:49 AM  

I wonder if they included these guys in with the group of immigrants on tax-payer funded welfare. Probably not, so the reported numbers are likely to be even worse.

https://twitter.com/Concerned_Pug/status/1069976182584737793

Whose broad stripes and bright stars?

Blogger Shimshon December 05, 2018 4:01 AM  

72% of immigrants give the other 28% a bad name. Or something like that. Math is hard!

Blogger Amethyst Dominica December 05, 2018 4:09 AM  

Does this include the number of naturally-conservative transplant-Americans who currently reside in the prison system? How much does it cost to feed and house an MS-13 member for 50-to-life, anyway?

Blogger One Deplorable DT December 05, 2018 4:27 AM  

Sooo...taking the welfare Americans don't want to take.

@4 - How much does it cost to feed and house an MS-13 member for 50-to-life, anyway?

More than the cost of a .45 round, that's for sure.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len December 05, 2018 5:01 AM  

72% of immigrants give the other 28% a bad name.

A wicked barb of truth: Asian immigrants are keeping these numbers from looking truly horrific.

Also interesting to note: among Asians and Africans, the numbers for naturalized citizens are worse. Wonder if this is a real phenomenon or simply a problem of reporting in the census.

Blogger Bogey December 05, 2018 5:38 AM  

Those are really bad numbers Vox. They haven't dropped a dime in the social services they seek. The sense of entitlement is staggering, even millennials look sensible in comparison.

Blogger M Cephas December 05, 2018 5:58 AM  

I think a lot of them get paid under the table. So they can continue collecting welfare, but also work jobs for cash.

Blogger Rocklea Marina December 05, 2018 6:00 AM  

So, not only are these immigrants harder working, they also directly contribute to the strengthening of social services and public sector. Double Plus Good.

Blogger Jack Aubrey December 05, 2018 6:36 AM  

Of the 35 % of native-born "Americans" using welfare, what percent have immigrant parents?

Blogger Stilicho December 05, 2018 6:50 AM  

Texas is probably a lost cause. Sad.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 05, 2018 7:05 AM  

Jack Aubrey wrote:Of the 35 % of native-born "Americans" using welfare, what percent have immigrant parents?

Yes, very good question. And let's not forget break down by race. Because that number is pretty horrible too. Some more dissection of the numbers would be enlightening, I'm sure.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 05, 2018 7:13 AM  

"Cheap labor"

Blogger English Tom December 05, 2018 7:17 AM  

I imagine it is the same (or even worse!) in Europe. Thank God there's talk of another 100 million Africans ready to come here over next 30 years. They'll be able to work and pay tax to help with this.

Oh wait!

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 05, 2018 7:18 AM  

I wonder how many are working for slave wages in the Construction industry and drawing a welfare check? It's really hard for unhyphenated Americans to get a Welfare check.

Blogger dienw December 05, 2018 7:27 AM  

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Blogger Stilicho December 05, 2018 7:28 AM  

The plantation owners get slave labor and Americans pay for it though direct. Subsidy, lost jobs, economic decline, lost opportunity, and lost liberty.

This doesn't even count the harm caused by crime or the abomination known as the taco truck.

Blogger dienw December 05, 2018 7:30 AM  

Be happy, the Hispanics are not here to replace us; they are here to breed with us Whites so that we become a mixed race minus the intelligence of the European White; but with the obedience dogs: our children and grandchildren will be Kalergiites.

/sarc

Blogger dienw December 05, 2018 7:41 AM  

And our wonderful, wonderful, just plain wonderful GOP has produced a bill:

Republican leaders are expected to drop a political stinker on President Donald Trump by mid-December: a donor-backed amendment that would allow investors to import more college-graduates from India to take jobs now held by American college graduates.

We ore going to get more hardworking new Americans!

Blogger Stilicho December 05, 2018 7:42 AM  

Another point to consider is that it is probable that the 72 percent of immigrant households on the dole are larger than the other 28 percent, making the total percentage of immigrants on welfare even higher.

Blogger VD December 05, 2018 7:57 AM  

Be happy, the Hispanics are not here to replace us; they are here to breed with us Whites so that we become a mixed race minus the intelligence of the European White; but with the obedience dog.

I don't think the Kalergis knew much about the Aztecs when they came up with that cunning plan. I am a son of the American and Mexican Revolutions, after all.

The Bronze Race is much more ruthless than the White Race. See: Compton.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 05, 2018 7:57 AM  

One bright spot the green eye shade frauds of the GOP are about as legitimate as Nigerian royalty emails, and the political battlefield is slipping away from 2GW to 4GW as the liberal/conservative con game becomes meaningless.

Blogger Ned December 05, 2018 8:54 AM  

That cheap lawn care costs more than you think. But we can't have just regular folks crapping in the romaine lettuce fields.

Blogger Daniel December 05, 2018 9:09 AM  

Same in Argentina paying bolivianos paraguayos ecuatorianos. Fuck this

Blogger JAG December 05, 2018 9:21 AM  

Now, we can dispense with the last of the three big lies of the pro invasion.

1. Diversity is Our Strength - Gone

2. Doing the Jobs Americans Won't Do - Gone

3. 11 Million Illegals -

Blogger Prionyx December 05, 2018 9:24 AM  

It's taken 50 years, but this shows the Cloward-Piven Strategy is nearing fruition. Just how many more not-Americans will it take to push it over the edge?

Blogger Lurker December 05, 2018 9:52 AM  

It's because they reliably vote democrat ie… globalist. So Americans on the right and Christians are helping or being duped into to building the Tower of Babel 2.0 like I have been saying all along. You didn't expect them to finance and build global government by themselves did you?

Blogger Jill Domschot December 05, 2018 9:58 AM  

They work hard...under the table.

Blogger daddynichol December 05, 2018 10:02 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:"Cheap labor"

Cheap votes, too.

Blogger inthebriarpatch December 05, 2018 10:15 AM  

Definitely. Though that's not under the definition of "hard working immigrant" and behaviour we wouldn't have in a Christian nation.

Blogger justaguy December 05, 2018 10:20 AM  

#21:
I would not count lout the West yet. While I cannot vouch for the ruthlessness of SJWs and the idiot libs, I would point out that historically the West (in place of the white races) have been utterly ruthless throughout history in wiping out their enemies. From Carthage through the Danes, the replacement of too many peoples by the Germanic tribes roaming Europe, even the Spanish in Central and South America, we have a long track record of ruthlessness.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 05, 2018 10:22 AM  

"They work hard...under the table."

They do the kind of hard work that builds shitholes, not the kind that builds anything of value. They work to Third World standards, if you're lucky.

At least they crap on our lettuce. We never could get Americans to do that.

Blogger chronoblip December 05, 2018 10:30 AM  

Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.

Blogger John Calla December 05, 2018 10:32 AM  

Proof positive that there are many ways to solve the problem without even building a wall. All we need is a leader with the will to do it.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 05, 2018 10:34 AM  

This is why the Founding Fathers restricted the vote to people who had property or income...meaning they weren't ON the dole, they PAID FOR the dole.

Power to the Payers! (and nobody else)

As for the imported welfare recipients...they have to go back. Even if we have to pay them a reduced welfare TO go back, it'll be cheaper there than here.

Blogger Diogenes December 05, 2018 11:42 AM  

$71,000 per prisoner per year in California, according to the legislative analyst's office (lao.ca.gov).

Blogger Jill Domschot December 05, 2018 11:51 AM  

"They do the kind of hard work that builds shitholes, not the kind that builds anything of value." Under-the-table implies this because there are no standards or legal recourses.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 05, 2018 12:09 PM  

I wonder if they included these guys in with the group of immigrants on tax-payer funded welfare. Probably not, so the reported numbers are likely to be even worse.

https://twitter.com/Concerned_Pug/status/1069976182584737793

Whose broad stripes and bright stars?


Soldiers from (((Max Boot's))) Imperial Banana legion. I'm sure they're not counted in the welfare stats. According to the idiocracy they're 'Patriotic Murikans' now. Guess they're awaiting their comrades from the Caravans to join up. Guess the magic dirt isn't working as well as we've been told. But those who've been telling the tale have breathe lies more naturally than they breathe air.

I imagine it is the same (or even worse!) in Europe. Thank God there's talk of another 100 million Africans ready to come here over next 30 years. They'll be able to work and pay tax to help with this.

Oh wait!


Just think of all the cheap Chinese-made shit the (((happy merchants))) can sell to the New Europeans! They'll have plenty of welfare money to pay for it - freshly baked from cow-farts and provided to the caretaker regimes at low, low usury-rates by the (((IMF))).

Blogger Jack Amok December 05, 2018 12:22 PM  

Overall, about 63 percent of immigrant households use welfare while only 35 percent of native-born households use welfare.

Well I'll be. They are more American than Americans. At least by one measure.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 05, 2018 12:23 PM  

dienw wrote:

And our wonderful, wonderful, just plain wonderful GOP has produced a bill:

Republican leaders are expected to drop a political stinker on President Donald Trump by mid-December: a donor-backed amendment that would allow investors to import more college-graduates from India to take jobs now held by American college graduates.

We ore going to get more hardworking new Americans!


What else would you expect from Paul Ryan's lame-quack congress - a wall or something? It will have bi-partisan support too because it will provide cheap labor for Tim Cook, Faceberg, Goolag, Bezos, Gates and the Koch brothers and yet more voters for the D-jerseys' famous last-minute absentee ballots. In a sane world, lame-quack congresses would only be allowed to vote on non-binding resolutions. This isn't sane world though, it's clown world.

Blogger veryfunnyminion December 05, 2018 12:24 PM  

Just remember, they help put the G in GDP!

So assuming you buy into that, then it is literally good for the economy by definition.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 05, 2018 12:33 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:It will probably be more "I'm an Alabaman" etc.

Centerfire ammunition is back under 50 cents a round.

Jill Domschot wrote:"They do the kind of hard work that builds shitholes, not the kind that builds anything of value." Under-the-table implies this because there are no standards or legal recourses.

My point was that they wouldn't do better if they could, and they can't do better anyway. Third World is what Third World people build.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 05, 2018 12:34 PM  

Darn. My comment on cost of centerfire ammunition was supposed to be a response to
Diogenes wrote:$71,000 per prisoner per year in California, according to the legislative analyst's office (lao.ca.gov).

Blogger DonReynolds December 05, 2018 1:48 PM  

Twenty-five Americans are KILLED every day by illegal aliens....half by drunk driving and the other half the old fashioned ways with fists, clubs, guns, knives, and rocks. This means that more Americans are killed every day by illegal aliens than are killed in all the wars in the Middle East. That may be good news to military families but it only spells disaster to civilians and their families.

Perhaps Al Qeda needs to take lessons from the Mexicans, who are 70 percent of the illegal aliens, on how to kill Americans and get away with it....without invoking drone strikes, artillery, or helicopter gunships.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 05, 2018 2:00 PM  

This is another form of looting.

Blogger DonReynolds December 05, 2018 2:04 PM  

My Dad had one sibling that was younger than himself, a lovely woman who was a popular model before going into real estate. She had one daughter, who was gorgeous but did not go into modeling. She became a jockey at the horse racetrack in El Paso, Texas. After a number of years as a jockey, she moved up to be a horse trainer, which paid slightly better. She saved her money and bought her first car, not a new car but a nice used car.

Three Mexican nationals crossed into El Paso and kidnapped Robin Cloud. They stole her car and took it back to Mexico. She was horribly abused and murdered. Her body was pulled from the canal and it was reported that every bone in her body was broken.

This is the price we pay every day and we will keep paying this price until it is stopped. The only way to stop paying this price is to remove the vicious low-life Mexicans from our society.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 05, 2018 2:14 PM  

chronoblip wrote:Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
I was wondering when we'd get a 40k quote.
Thanks for brightening my day.

Blogger Wilkes Marprelate December 05, 2018 2:23 PM  

As is Georgia and Florida. More and more formerly red states will be blue in the coming years.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 05, 2018 2:39 PM  

@35 Hammerli280
Power to the Payers! (and nobody else)
---

Then all they have to do to eliminate your ability to vote is point and shriek, and cost you your job.

Blogger Mad Italian December 05, 2018 2:50 PM  

Even the one's hard at work are a net negative:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/mogadishu-minnesota-15924.html

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 05, 2018 3:04 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Twenty-five Americans are KILLED every day by illegal aliens....half by drunk driving and the other half the old fashioned ways with fists, clubs, guns, knives, and rocks. This means ...

This means that illegal invaders are costing us about $125 million per day, about $45 billion per year, just in lost lives. As we look closer and closer, that wall just looks cheaper and cheaper.

Blogger Paul, Dammit! December 05, 2018 5:14 PM  

It's always smart to remember that to address the root cause of illegal immigration, we need a mirror first.
Every single job was GIVEN first by a citizen who wanted to cheat on his taxes or reduce costs at the expense of his neighbor.
Half of your meals, the food you eat, the roof repairs you had done, the lawn you walk across, all were prepared under the watchful eye of a cheating citizen who is your enemy and who preferred to hire people who are at best ambivalent and at worst hostile to your interests beyond the immediate. Remembering that sort of ruins the ambiance when you hear Spanish coming from the kitchen of your local Italian restaurant.
But hey, it's cheap, right?

Blogger eclecticme December 05, 2018 6:44 PM  

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Blogger eclecticme December 05, 2018 7:01 PM  

I came up with a thought experiment to try to get through to supposedly rational 'conservatives' who want more low skilled immigration. The numbers are made up.

You have a business, say McDonalds, Walmart, whatever. In order to fill a position you have to pay a US citizen $14/hour or an immigrant $12/hr. The US citizen is paid so low that they qualify for welfare etc. The imported immigrant will not pay enough taxes to pay for their ER medical care, etc. They will also qualify for welfare etc. What do you do?

You hire the immigrant because the welfare cost is dumped on the taxpayers. You externalized the welfare costs. You now have both the US citizen (underemployed or unemployed) and the immigrant on the welfare rolls. This may include the ER costs for the kid they just had, the free public schools, the legal welfare costs for the anchor baby, etc.

What if, when you import the immigrant, a new law requires that you post a bond for any welfare costs incurred by them or family members and this includes public schooling, prison, free ER care, anchor baby welfare, etc. The cost of the bond in this case is $10/hour for this low skilled immigrant. You would pay the extra $2/hr to the US citizen instead of importing the immigrant.

Note that if the job is a Chinese PhD EE or Indian SW engineer it would pay to pay for a bond because such people are low risks for welfare, prison, etc. and they are paid more. The pay for US citizens is still driven down.

Moral: Some immigrant jobs do not even pay for themselves. These people are a net loss. There is no magic multiplier.

Blogger eclecticme December 05, 2018 7:16 PM  

@9. Rocklea Marina December 05, 2018 6:00 AM
So, not only are these immigrants harder working, they also directly contribute to the strengthening of social services and public sector. Double Plus Good.


I know you were being sarcastic but there is some sick truth to that in the political sense. E.g. if half the babies born in an area are anchor babies to immigrants who do not pay, that does not mean the MDs, RNs, and hospitals work for free. They are paid by some govts and/or informal tax on paying patients. Such people have a vested interest in the continuing flow of immigrants.

See also public school employees in schools having lots of illegals. See also govt employees in small impoversished remote areas receiving 'state aid' from the richer parts of the state.

Blogger eclecticme December 05, 2018 7:26 PM  

For a very specific, concise example of brining immigrants in, see the video clip below. Note that since the immigrants are Somalis and 'refugees' they immediately qualify for welfare as much as US citizens.

Here is a 12 min video clip of a Willmar MN meeting where a guy discusses the costs of bringing in immigrants for the local meat packing plant. it is very good.


This meeting took place in Kandiyohi County, Minnesota on July 7, 2015
Refugee resettlement warning in Minnesota
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhiB8mtQ3Pg

If you have too much time on your hands.
https://www.propublica.org/article/who-would-pay-26000-to-work-in-a-chicken-plant

Blogger John rockwell December 05, 2018 7:38 PM  

This is why cutting welfare including medicaid is important especially for those people because it will cut off those illegals and force them to leave.

Blogger John rockwell December 05, 2018 7:40 PM  

@John Calla

''Proof positive that there are many ways to solve the problem without even building a wall. All we need is a leader with the will to do it.''

The wall makes good optics in that it forces the invaders to look like invaders ie rushing and climbing the border wall en masse in front of cameras instead of looking like victims.

Blogger John rockwell December 05, 2018 7:42 PM  

@Omnius Cowheard

''This means that illegal invaders are costing us about $125 million per day, about $45 billion per year, just in lost lives. As we look closer and closer, that wall just looks cheaper and cheaper.''

This is also why democrats oppose so fiercely welfare cuts including medicaid. Because that finances the invasion.

Blogger eclecticme December 05, 2018 11:08 PM  

@57. John rockwell December 05, 2018 7:38 PM
This is why cutting welfare including medicaid is important especially for those people because it will cut off those illegals and force them to leave.


Different states handle Medicaid in different ways. In CA they provide dialysis to illegals. Medicaid reimbursement is around $90K per year. VDH said that they added two dialysis centers in Fresno CA.

Those rotund Central Americans are especially prone to diabetes, then kidney failure and dialysis. Maybe free transplants after that?

Blogger Jason Rennie December 06, 2018 12:11 AM  

Are they lumping legal and illegal in together and are they breaking it down by the type of welfare used?

The figure seems like the sort of thing that is as legitimate as the "wage gap" used by feminists.

The figure might be legitimate but the usual practice has been to lump legal and illegal together (which isn't reasonable at all) and to just count every single program regardless of cost as "a welfare program" and being on anything counts effectively as being on everything.

If you qualify for some inexpensive school lunch program and take advantage of it and nothing else you might technically be on welfare but that wouldn't be the same as the usual "vote for a living" type of thing that people consider "on welfare".

Not simply rejecting the stats, they may be put together rigorously and effectively under counting how bad the problem is, but i'm generally skeptical of all stats from all sides because it is too easy to massage them to tell the story you want.

Happy to be proven wrong though.

Blogger Jack Amok December 06, 2018 1:23 AM  

What if, when you import the immigrant, a new law requires...

That you deport yourself, 1 for 1? You want to bring an immigrant in? You leave forever.

Or just off your damn self.

We have enough people in the country already. We don't need more.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 06, 2018 4:47 AM  

"Twenty-five Americans are KILLED every day by illegal aliens."

Sheesh. That's double the average daily rate for the Vietnam war!

Blogger Dirk Manly December 06, 2018 4:59 AM  

"
Note that if the job is a Chinese PhD EE or Indian SW engineer it would pay to pay for a bond because such people are low risks for welfare, prison, etc. and they are paid more. The pay for US citizens is still driven down."

The Chinese PhD EE costs more, too, because he's here doing 2 things:
1) Conducting industrial espionage
2) Conducting military espionage

Secondly, the key factor in engineering is creativity, not math. Chinese are NOT noted for being creative -- they are only ALLOWED to imitate what the state approves of. The Chinese guy can rattle off equations and definitions. He will NEVER invent anything. He might not even be able to optimize (for some trait) a design that already exists (which is something the Japs tend to excel at.)

Blogger John rockwell December 06, 2018 8:16 AM  

@eclecticme

This is one of the many angles to approach this. Immigration restriction. Wall. Welfare cuts like for medicaid. Going after NGO's. English language requirements.

Its important to do it all in combination as in war we do combined arms.

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