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Tuesday, January 08, 2019

Mailvox: American Free Corps

Try telling this unemployed military veteran that immigration and work visas are "good for the economy":
Here's a quick rundown of what happened to me. I can't qualify for a job requiring zero years experience.  We're being replaced.
  • 6-year USAF veteran. Honorably discharged in 2011.
  • Start new career in energy in 2011. Shit hits the fan with oil prices and get laid off in 2016.
  • No problem, chin up, go back to school and finish economics degree. Graduate early 2018.
  • Apply to job at Hewlett Packard. Wait patiently for response and vigorously apply elsewhere.
  • Get rejected for a job requiring ZERO years experience. WTF-F-F-F?
  • Check out H1B search position and company. HP has hired 4 people on H1B for the same job.
  • I was replaced in my own country. The country that I served.
The war is coming home. If America's soldiers can't find work, then no one should be surprised if they begin to utilize the skills they learned in the military against their real enemy, the one that is actually attacking them, their families, and their way of life.

Jerry Pournelle was right. There will be war.

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158 Comments:

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 6:36 AM  

Sounds very similar to my life.

Blogger AdognamedOp January 08, 2019 6:45 AM  

Learn how to weld bruh. And I'm sure plenty of PD's across the nation are hiring vets to shoot dogs and shit.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 6:56 AM  

My lungs are bad enough, without killing them off the rest of the way with vaporized metal. The owner of the last company I worked for used to be a welder, and he needs about $200 in inhaled medication per month. Already, the VA is giving me about $300/month in inhalers for my lungs.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 7:00 AM  

But you're avoiding the bigger question -- I'm a well-educated computer engineer. My last position within the field was assistant manager of the super computing group at the GM Tech center (which is larger than the main campus of most any state university you care to name)... and yet I can't even get entry level work in that field... but they sure have lots of Hindus and Pakis... because they "can't find anybody" with even entry-level skills. BULL SHIT.

Some problems are best solved with a work-around, because there is no real solution.

This problem HAS a real solution -- killing the traitors.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 7:02 AM  

Computer tech in general is very bad about H-1B abuse, and HP is a prime example. I have an acquaintance who along with a number of other older workers was laid off from them, he soon discovered they were explicitly advertising for H-1Bs to replace his position. Reading between the lines, he sued them for a hefty amount, and eventually got a big settlement that came with an NDA. Also have some personal experience with this at another big computer tech company, but will avoid the details so I won't dox myself.

Now here's the funny thing in relation to some recent Vox Popoli topics: the big push to replace Americans in STEM was started by the National Science Foundation in the late 1980s, and one of the results was the creation of the H-1B visa in 1990, in 1991 51,882 were issued. Guess which sort of person Reagan made the head of the NSF in 1984? An IBM electrical engineer and administrator who didn't have a Ph.D. or a real science background, (((Erich Bloc))).

Every. Single. Time.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 7:02 AM  

If I wasn't 50, I would go into the only form of welding that doesn't harm the lungs. Underwater welding. Those guys can make $250,000 in 3 months.

Blogger JAG January 08, 2019 7:04 AM  

I wrote a scathing email to Ted Cruz blasting him for his plans to push for increased H1B visas during the primaries. I explained that this was pushing Americans out of work, and harming us. It was also why i was dropping any further support for Cruz in favor of people who put America and American citizens first, thus I voted for Trump.

Blogger AdognamedOp January 08, 2019 7:15 AM  

Then go shoot dogs man.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 7:16 AM  

@7 JAG:

The problem with Trump is that he supports the "Intel, not Infosys" approach to H-1Bs. He's cracking down on body shops like Infosys, while encouraging or at least allowing the Intels and HPs to hire H-1Bs.

Blogger Skyler the Weird January 08, 2019 7:17 AM  

I'm surprised Al or Jesse hasn't shaken down the tech companies for hiring sepoys and pinoys that take away middle class African-American jobs.

Blogger VD January 08, 2019 7:29 AM  

According to surveys, US Blacks like open borders even better than US Jews do. You are forgetting the value that people place on inflicting pain on those they hate. And most blacks don't like middle-class blacks anyhow.

Blogger Chiva January 08, 2019 7:29 AM  

There will be war.

The Saxon began to hate.

Blogger Bogey January 08, 2019 7:34 AM  

Vox you should tell your reader that he just can't compete with geniuses. According to Dr. Michio Kaku the H-1B is the "genius visa".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM

Blogger VD January 08, 2019 7:37 AM  

According to Dr. Michio Kaku the H-1B is the "genius visa".

Lotta geniuses out there, apparently.

Blogger McChuck January 08, 2019 7:45 AM  

Sounds like class action lawsuit time.

Blogger The Kurgan January 08, 2019 7:51 AM  


Sounds like class action lawsuit time.

No. Sounds like strong up globohomos bankers and judges and all the lawyers to me.

Blogger The Kurgan January 08, 2019 7:52 AM  

*string

Blogger Wishing Star January 08, 2019 7:58 AM  

VD wrote:According to surveys, US Blacks like open borders even better than US Jews do. You are forgetting the value that people place on inflicting pain on those they hate. And most blacks don't like middle-class blacks anyhow.

Factions within the black left have taken notice. Commentators Yvette Carnell & Antonio Moore may foreshadow what is to come. They are left, but they are shining light on the threat of immigration to the descendants of slaves in America. The black right is already at the party.

Blogger RobertDWood January 08, 2019 8:01 AM  

Just because you can does not mean you must be a dick

Blogger RobertDWood January 08, 2019 8:03 AM  

Dirk I'm sure you have tried, what's the outcome for this line of work with DoD contractor folks requiring security clearance? What's their rate of pulling an HP on you like this?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 08, 2019 8:12 AM  

Dirk former diver here, unless something has changed with wet stick welding since I left and that is possible the big bucks when I was in that crap racket was hyperbaric welding which would make welding in a shop seem like a daisy tour. That was making a waterless enviroment around a node that needed welding and then dry welding. FTR I never got close to doing that in my short career, but I knew senior divers who jonesed for that work it did pay well since it combined two skills and usually sitting under pressure for weeks.

BTW I knew in my first week on the job that diving was not a long term career, all my late 20s early 30s divers had the serious case of gray hair.

Blogger Dirtnapninja January 08, 2019 8:13 AM  

Chiva wrote:There will be war.

The Saxon began to hate.


I'll believe it when i see it.

Blogger Z Malfoy January 08, 2019 8:14 AM  

@ Random #57: NSF was also taken over by C_A at the time of its formation: https://archive.org/details/CIA-RDP64-00658A000100190009-9

The consequences of this will resound until the new countries rise from the ashes of the current.

Blogger Blue88 January 08, 2019 8:16 AM  

quiet folk are getting tired. if you want to talk about what folk do when they get tired of this shit, they rage. i come from a violent background, history and i can trace it better than AOC or E. warren. i am looking towards becoming violent or leaving for an island somewhere.

Blogger Peter Gent January 08, 2019 8:21 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:My lungs are bad enough, without killing them off the rest of the way with vaporized metal. The owner of the last company I worked for used to be a welder, and he needs about $200 in inhaled medication per month. Already, the VA is giving me about $300/month in inhalers for my lungs.
Broccoli has been shown to be helpful in COPD and other lung issues due to the chemical sulforaphane "increases the expression (activity) of a gene found in lung cells that protects the organ from damage caused by toxins."
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-04-experimental-treatment-copd.html.

Blogger CarpeOro January 08, 2019 8:25 AM  

"According to Dr. Michio Kaku the H-1B is the "genius visa"."

Cow chips. I've been outsourced twice - my work was primarily off-shored each time. Both times they put 4 of these geniuses to work doing what I did and they failed horribly (I was contracted back in to the first company twice to help on projects they couldn't handle). They create the cycle of "we can't find Americans that can do the work" by pushing them out of said positions first and discourage them trying to find work in the field again by shuffling applications to the bottom of the pile below H1Bs that will "attempt" to do the job for less.

Blogger McChuck January 08, 2019 8:27 AM  

@16 The Kurgan - As entertaining as that might be, we're not quite there yet. Until that time, we need to use their weapons against them. We need to actively wage lawfare against our enemies.

Oh, if only there were conservative lawyers and think tanks, with deep wells of money... /sarc

Blogger MortemTyrannus January 08, 2019 8:30 AM  

Yep. I see it everyday at my IT job. Those imported geniuses are needed to do the scripted tasks white people laid out for them.

Blogger ZhukovG January 08, 2019 8:32 AM  

I have been laid off twice due to Globalist scum. After the second time I had to get out of my comfort zone and so I became a self employed, independent contractor. I make great money, when I have a contract, but things can get tense in between.

I don't like to travel, but a lot of my work is Electronics Field Tech and Engineering Support (that's a laugh, my education is a mish mash of Law Enforcement and Computer Science), so I do what I must. All thanks to God, He made me a fast learner.

Dirk, I don't have an easy answer for you. You know your abilities better than anyone giving you, largely useless, advice here.

There will be war.

You have my prayers.

Blogger The Cooler January 08, 2019 8:35 AM  

Timed-release N-acetyl cysteine, Dirkvalanche, if you haven't already looked into it. You can get it OTC.

Blogger JG January 08, 2019 8:35 AM  

Most H1-B visas go to India, which is a low IQ country. Their massive population still produces a large number of smart people, but their kids will revert to the mean.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 8:42 AM  

"Dirk I'm sure you have tried, what's the outcome for this line of work with DoD contractor folks requiring security clearance?"

I used to have a clearance. I've been so financially damaged, that I doubt I could ever get a clearance again, barring a miracle.
It really sucks, because I could be pulling down close to $1000/day doing IT work for the DOD overseas.

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 08, 2019 8:49 AM  

@13 - meanwhile an Indian publication points out that 95% of engineers in India are unfit for software development.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/95-engineers-in-india-unfit-for-software-development-jobs-study/article9652211.ece

Ninety. Five. Percent.

The 5% who might be worth something aren't worth the cost of filtering through the other 95%. H1B has to be terminated and they have to go back. All of them.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 8:51 AM  

@23 Z Malfoy:

@ Random #57: NSF was also taken over by C_A at the time of its formation: https://archive.org/details/CIA-RDP64-00658A000100190009-9

I don't read that as a "takeover", just the sort of coordination that was normal at the time. Note that in the description of the NSF's structure, there are specific carve outs for national defense, in both budget and one unit of it. And the NSF I know starting in the 1970s doesn't really feel like a CIA front.

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 08, 2019 8:52 AM  

Dirk Manly - I feel your pain. I've bounced between full time and contract work and I'm sick of the whole mess. But given my age and the horrendously inflated cost of returning to college, I also have no idea what else I could do.

You have the added insult to injury of having been in the service.

Blogger SouthRon January 08, 2019 8:52 AM  

Happy to say my employer has been denied H-1Bs. It really sucks the head Brahmin has been forced to hire real Americans. So, they’re kicking the diversity hire BS into high gear. But we have a bunch of good old boy Southerners that have been there forever and somebody just snuck in a new category of “diversity”. Vets.

Yup. Alongside the recently minted WITs, BITs, and so on, Vets are now a protected class.

We’ll see which side wins out.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 9:11 AM  

Turns out Trump is our sworn enemy, a bit of transcript I confirmed by listening to the video from "Donald Trump Zig-Zags on ‘Hire American’ Promise":

We need people. We have to have people because we have all these companies coming in. We need great people. But we want them to come in on a merit basis. They have to come in on a merit basis. They can’t come in the way they’ve been coming in for years. I get calls from the great tech companies and they’re saying we don’t allow people at the top of their class at the best schools in the country, we don’t allow them to stay in our country. So they end up going back to China and Japan and so many other countries all over the world, and we don’t keep them. They get educated at our finest schools and then we don’t allow them to – through a various set of circumstances — to have any guarantees of staying. So we lose out on great minds. We can’t do that. We have companies, if we don’t change that, and we’re working on that and we discussed that with the Democrats and I think they agree. We’re working on that. But we don’t want to lose our great companies because we have a ridiculous policy that we won’t accept smart people. So call it politically correct or not, but we have to let these great, brilliant companies have the smartest people in the world.

The reason as I mentioned there are so many foreigners getting these degrees is deliberate government policy started by the NSF in the mid-late 1980s, they're willing to work for much less under harsher conditions than US citizens because they're still making a lot more than they would back home, and if they save a lot of it, when they return home they're well set up.

Gun owner, STEM worker, Trump is explicitly not our friend. Add the demographics and felon voting that's swinging Texas and Florida Blue, and Trumpslide 2020 is looking less and less certain.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 08, 2019 9:12 AM  

Southron is that a fed rule on the vets that applies to the dreaded private sector or is that the vet pref point? When I advise a young man I always mention that service can be a form of AA for white men in the form of vet pref.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 9:16 AM  

That's the one good thing about this administration 00 they are at least scrutinizing H1-B applications, but as noted above, if HP simply switches them from "contracted position" to "direct hire", they can still get their dinner-bowl full of Hindus and Pakis, which still crowds out much-more-competent Americans.

And this is all deliberate, convergism.

There's no way that hiring 5 incompetent Hindus at even as low as 33rd wage percentile is cheaper than hiring one competent American, even if he's in the 90th percentile for that job classification.

There's an element of resume padding going on here, too
Instead of "I managed a team of 4 employees," they can say "I managed an international team of 30 employees."

These managers should be prosecuted (through a class action suit by stockholders) for fraud, waste, and mismanagement of stockholders' assets (to wit: the corporation's bank account).

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 9:19 AM  

Er... not prosecuted... sued.

Blogger Riejun January 08, 2019 9:28 AM  

Dirk:

The Department of State has a couple of information technology/security tech fields. Neither are currently open, but I suggest at least looking at the requirements/job description. Yes it is "State Department", but we aren't all the enemy (pick your lefty or neocon version). The jobs do require a medical and security clearance, but finances aren't necessarily a disqualification as long as you are "trying" to do something about the financial difficulty.

Security Technical Specialist (STS): https://careers.state.gov/work/foreign-service/specialist/career-tracks/security-technical-specialist/

Information Management Specialist: https://careers.state.gov/work/foreign-service/specialist/career-tracks/information-management-specialist/

The pay seems low, but you can earn OT, free housing overseas, extra pay based on the post, etc... We have a hard time attracting/keeping the STS.

Happy to discuss offline.

Blogger Crew January 08, 2019 9:30 AM  

I believe that IBM engages in the same behavior based on comments from a buddy who has lots of experience and who applied for a position at IBM in the Silly Valley recently.

Blogger Crew January 08, 2019 9:36 AM  

@Random-57. It's not just HP. Look at Apple! Also, look at recent public companies, like Nutanix. In my experience their employees are 60 or more percent Indian!

Sure, there are smart Indians out there, but there are also smart Americans out there, so why do we need to import Indians?

Blogger Crew January 08, 2019 9:36 AM  

My suggestion is: Write a complaint to DHS about HP's practices.

Real Americans need to fight back using every tool they have available.

Blogger seeingsights January 08, 2019 9:38 AM  

HB1 Visa is State created indentured servitude. In indentured servitude, the worker gets paid but because he is stuck with his employer for a period of time, his wage bargaining power is reduced. That is downward pressure on wages.

Considering that HB1 visa is State interference in labor markets, libertarians should complain, but they don't.

Blogger Bastion Harm January 08, 2019 9:40 AM  

But, but, but....

It IS good for the economy!!!

Just look at how GDP rises when you replace native workers with cheaper non-native ones!!!

That's all that matters in the reign of quantity...

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 9:47 AM  

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Blogger Chris Ritchie January 08, 2019 9:49 AM  

Tractor Supply Company (TSC) started as a mid western catalog company. Touted as a family values company. As if. Their IT department is 50% or more H1B - and that's just onshore. There is a whole other department within IT dedicated to working with the off shore developers at only $21 per hour. During my time as a PM there, I saw many projects run in this manner.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 9:53 AM  

@43 Crew:

@Random-57. It's not just HP.

As I mentioned, I've had first hand experience with this, which included the white engineers in our group being laid off by our Indian manager.

Sure, there are smart Indians out there

To those who doubt, this is true, the claim they're all incompetent is false. But you absolutely, positively, never want to work for one, they're very callous and don't like whites, and don't let them know about your parents, there's a good chance you're from a caste below theirs.

Compared to Jews, though, they're refreshingly honest, they'll tell you a lot of this stuff straight to your face. See the also from the subcontinent Rashida Tlaib who's very frank in her opinions about what the Congress should do to Trump and the primary loyalty of too many Congressmen, take a gander at Senate Bill #1, previously discussed here.

Blogger SouthRon January 08, 2019 10:00 AM  

Mr.MantraMan, pref point. It is being codified in our corporate diversity policy.

Some of us are using their own tools and rules against them.

Blogger Chris Ritchie January 08, 2019 10:03 AM  

Worked with an Indian at a Fortune 100 company. He was openly disdainful of the whites around him. Had better experience with others as peers, but still see them being hired and promoted and the whites being pushed out. The most telling thing I've seen is 4 "single" Indian developers walking to work and sharing rides because they all share an apartment at their $30K to $35K salaries.

Tell me again about a rising tide raising all ships? With the free movement of labor (and/or factories) to the lowest wage level, I would rephrase it to say that water always seeks its level. And this is what we've seen happen. No real wages increase since the 70's.

https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/549/887/d0e.jpg

Blogger Hammerli280 January 08, 2019 10:08 AM  

The only way an American can prosper in software these days is to stick with DOD and Aerospace/Defense. Foreigners can't get the security clearances.

Blogger Chris Ritchie January 08, 2019 10:11 AM  

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speed-up-american-workers-long-hours/

Blogger ZotZotDig January 08, 2019 10:15 AM  

When the next economic downturn comes and when it brings layoffs further squeezing the middle and lower income levels, and yet no "war" comes, what will the "war is coming" contingent have to say?

Moreover, what will the "war is coming" contingent say when instead of war, the effected on the right and left instead turn to politicians offering Medicare4All, higher taxes on the upper income slices of the economy, taxes on the investing class' favorite tool—stock transactions, plus, who knows what other collectivist tools?

War is not coming. What's coming is 1912 and 1932.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 10:17 AM  

@52 Hammerli280:

The only way an American can prosper in software these days is to stick with DOD and Aerospace/Defense. Foreigners can't get the security clearances.

The only friend or relative I have who's still in IT is a contractor working for some unit of the government he can't even name, requiring a very high clearance. Embedded is also said to be not as bad, but that's more for not firing all their older engineers in some companies, my acquaintance laid off at HP and replaced by an H-1B, but not without eventually winning a lawsuit, was working on their printers.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 08, 2019 10:37 AM  

And when the war comes, the elites are going to be more surprised than anyone that it is happening in America and that it is happening to them. And they will think, surely we can't be this bad, can we?

Blogger Al Du Clur January 08, 2019 10:43 AM  

Fantasizing that there will be war is a coping mechanism to help whites deal emotionally with losing their country and, in a growing number of instances, their careers. The right are simply consumers who buy guns to fill an emotional need like women buy shoes

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 08, 2019 10:43 AM  

@37

When it happens anyways, are you gonna apologize for being only a few degrees removed from a single issue voter in stupidity?

Blogger Patrick Kelly January 08, 2019 10:46 AM  

"The only way an American can prosper in software these days is to stick with DOD and Aerospace/Defense. Foreigners can't get the security clearances."

I manage by working for a small, local developer, accepting a wage about 85% of the prevailing market rate, and being as low maintenance, anti-fragile in lifestyle as I can stand. Most of the time I am very happy and grateful for this situation. I've been through worse.

"Prosper", is subjective and relative.

Blogger Patrick Kelly January 08, 2019 10:54 AM  

"Gun owner, STEM worker, Trump is explicitly not our friend. Add the demographics and felon voting that's swinging Texas and Florida Blue, and Trumpslide 2020 is looking less and less certain."

Trump is a civ-nat, duh.

I don't want him to be my friend. I want him to build the wall and drain the swamp. If he fails at that I want him trying to be a catalyst for a quicker, sooner collapse and reorientation of nations in North America.

Because it's going to happen, there will be war. Hell, it's already war, it just hasn't gone very kinetic and bloody yet. I believe sooner and quicker is better than prolonged and later.

There is a part of me that hopes I'm wrong (and Vox, the ilk, etc..) and the neo-con civ-nats really can hold together a bright, shiny, utopian American Empire long enough for a very slow, low bounce of the rubble that doesn't suk for me and my family. That part is likely deluded.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 10:57 AM  

@58 Emmanuel Mateo-Morales:

@37

When [Trumpslide 2020] happens anyways, are you gonna apologize for being only a few degrees removed from a single issue voter in stupidity?


Gun control is a very good single issue, because there's nothing better for revealing a person's attitude towards liberty and the people. But I'm not making any predictions today, how 2020 will turn out, or even how I'm going to vote, although I will no longer vote for Trump, vs. probably voting against a Democratic loon which means marking the ballot for Trump. Lots of questions, like is it best if the civil war starts sooner or later?

Still, you tell me, how much of his base can Trump betray before he loses 2020, if for no other reason than depressed turnout? If Romney had gotten W's 2004 turnout, he would have won in 2012.

Of course, if he caves on the Wall, it'll start being easier to predict, but he's not showing real signs of that, I discount anything said by Lindsey Grahamisty or anonymous sources.

Blogger Crew January 08, 2019 11:02 AM  

@59: If you have spare cycles and an inclination we could do with some help on Infogalactic.

Send email to crew@infogalactic.com if so ...

Blogger Ingot9455 January 08, 2019 11:06 AM  

If you spot this, Dirk, feel free to tag me with your resume. I am at least good at resumes.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey January 08, 2019 11:10 AM  

74% of Silicon Valley's tech workers are foreign born.

Seventy. Four. Percent.

This is so absurd that it justifies America getting out of the tech business. If we have to import 74% of tech workers to be competitive, then we aren't competitive.

But of course, we DON'T need to import any of them, that's what really sticks in the craw. We are making ourselves less competitive and putting ourselves out of the tech business like this.

And it's destroying the livelihoods of our native tech workers to boot. It makes no damn sense at all.

Blogger Dos Voltz January 08, 2019 11:10 AM  

When you see the brown foreigners who run Google flipping you off

Or the black NFL players doing the black power salute

They're just waving goodbye

Blogger Dos Voltz January 08, 2019 11:20 AM  

@4 Dirk Manly
This problem HAS a real solution -- killing the traitors.

Exactly! Praise Jesus!

I'm starting to think that if we did an honest appraisal of the number of real traitors in this country who fit the very simple and clear definition of "traitor"...

Heck, we'd need to elect some kind of strong man who could oversee the removal of at least 6 million or so

But might even have to up it to Stalin or Mao numbers.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 11:23 AM  

@64 The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey:

74% of Silicon Valley's tech workers are foreign born.

[...]

[...] We are making ourselves less competitive and putting ourselves out of the tech business like this.

And it's destroying the livelihoods of our native tech workers to boot. It makes no damn sense at all.


It made complete sense to Erich Bloch, "the son of a Jewish businessman and housewife, lost his parents in the Holocaust, survived the war in a refugee camp in Switzerland and immigrated in 1948 to the United States." Facebook and Google were founded by and are still run by Jews, but there are plenty of Chinese and Indians in the game.

Google hired an Indian executive from Microsoft when it was at its worst to run the Google+ project, which radically changed the way Google works and has to have helped the SJWs take over. He was also responsible for the very dangerous to your Google accounts real name policy, while of course never using his real name of Vivek Gundotra.

75% ... a lot of that is "real" technology, chips and disk drives, it's going to be hard to recover from this.

Blogger kurt9 January 08, 2019 11:25 AM  

Beware the wrath of the legions...

There is another visa, called O-1 and O-2, that is for people with actual talent and ability. Thus, the H1B visas are superfluous and a scam. I also know from personal contact that the H1B visa program is abusive as well.

Blogger Warunicorn January 08, 2019 11:49 AM  

Al Du Clur wrote:Fantasizing that there will be war is a coping mechanism to help whites deal emotionally with losing their country and, in a growing number of instances, their careers. The right are simply consumers who buy guns to fill an emotional need like women buy shoes

Mensch, try not to take this the wrong way...

Go drink bleach.

Blogger John Best January 08, 2019 12:11 PM  

The sad part is the veterans learn nothing about 4th generation warfare in the military.

Blogger DonReynolds January 08, 2019 12:20 PM  

Roughly half of this country voted for Obama twice and then Hillary or Bernie. They are NOT going to be impressed with tales of woe from former troopers, who had been deployed to the Middle East wars. (This smells bad enough to qualify for Vietnam era.) These voters do not give a crap about veterans (of any race) and they especially do not care if white (males, especially) are replaced by foreigners in society and in the workplace. The truth is, they hate us with a passion and wish the government would make it worse and faster.

BUT I HAVE FOUND, that the argument that does work on the SJW Leftists is the old "brain drain" argument. Many foreign countries are "s-holes" compared to the USA and that is why everyone really, really wants to come here. So how will ANY of those countries improve for the people who live there if we continue to "sheep steal" the best and the brightest and bring them to the USA? Don't they need doctors and nurses and bridges and schools and hospitals in poorer countries? Stop taking the cream of their human resources and those same people will improve their own countries, rather than steal my own.

Or maybe we can swap. The usual exchange rate....one talented and educated American for every foreign bright individual. We let one come here, we send an American to take their place. Neither country is being cheated of human capital. Of course, this does nothing to make the ethnostate people happy, but it would be an improvement.

For decades in the teaching of international economics, one of the big problem areas was the "brain drain" to the West. Not anymore. You seldom see the term, since it casts a dark shadow on the Leftist Agenda. Sounds familiar.

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 08, 2019 12:24 PM  

@58 - When it happens anyways, are you gonna apologize for being only a few degrees removed from a single issue voter in stupidity?

The demographics in both Florida and Texas scare the hell out of me. Trumpslide 2020 is not a guarantee.

If more whites wake up to what's happening then it will be in the bag.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov January 08, 2019 12:24 PM  

@37

Donald Trump is a new dye-in-the-wool New Yorker. What exactly did you expect of him? He is at best a Civic Nationalist. He is not going to be "the savior", but he might actually do some genuinely good things.

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 08, 2019 12:29 PM  

@64 - and where are the discrimination lawsuits?

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 08, 2019 12:30 PM  

I've been reading The Home Computer Wars, about the boom years at Commodore in the early 1980s. The CEO, Jack Tramiel, was very much a penny-pinching Jew, and Commodore did some manufacturing in Asia to keep costs down. But Tramiel insisted that each division of Commodore did its own marketing and sales, because he understood that each nation's customer base had very different needs and desires. So Commodore Germany operated as a German company, for instance, with German employees and attitudes. He even wanted to divide the US up into several regions for the same reason, though they never got that far.

It's interesting to compare what passed for cost-cutting globalism at that time to today's.

Blogger RusticFederalist January 08, 2019 12:37 PM  

If a man can't work to feed himself, he will fight to feed himself. Well, maybe he could just take heroin, and enjoy welfare - there is that.

Blogger One Deplorable DT January 08, 2019 12:46 PM  

@64 - I don't even know what to say to that. If I could go back I would scream at my younger self to avoid computing (as a career) at all costs. At this point I wish I had chosen ANYTHING else.

There's a part of me that thinks if this is what elite business types are going to do then they should be taxed at 70% or more to pay for gibs for Americans.

Blogger cheddarman January 08, 2019 12:48 PM  

All boomers and globalists to gitmo

Blogger Gen. Kong January 08, 2019 12:53 PM  

The war is coming home. If America's soldiers can't find work, then no one should be surprised if they begin to utilize the skills they learned in the military against their real enemy, the one that is actually attacking them, their families, and their way of life.

Jerry Pournelle was right. There will be war.


A fine summary to be sure. IMO two things have to happen before they start to use their skills.

1. The Banana Empire must fall. As noted by Ron Paul, the empire lurches onward like a zombie, regardless of what Trump says. Reports of the Neo-Palestinians' demise are greatly exaggerated. Looks like Uncle Sheldon, Max Boot et al are the actual commanders in chief of the military.

2. They have to figure out who the real enemy is for themselves. Many of us here could tell them in a single syllable, but the decades of civic-nationalist and heretic programming isn't undone easily. As VD has noticed with Peterson, there is much Wizardry afoot - and it's been going on well over a century.

Time runs short since the demographic time-bomb has detonated and will only reversed partially once the country fragments. I see VD discovered AE's analysis of negro support of open borders. The bottom line of the analysis drives a stake through the heart of civic-nationalist and economic arguments heard for decades about blacks with respect to open borders harming them most. They don't care because they hate YT more. The same holds true (to lesser degrees) for every other non-white group in the country. Yet Trump spent the entire month of December pandering to dindus with a get-out-of-jail-free bill whose terms will be imposed by SJW blackrobes. Once the party starts, it's Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Blogger Dos Voltz January 08, 2019 12:57 PM  

Today the Zman has a very fine summation of the current culture:

In order to understand the social justice movement, one must first replace the word “justice” with the word “vengeance.” It’s not about settling the books or making anyone whole. It is about establishing a new hierarchy in which whites are the infidels of the new multicultural empire, forever paying the jizya to keep modern society rolling. The point of the tax is not just to finance the system, but to lock in the moral relationships of the new multicultural empire, because it cannot exist without the jizya.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 1:02 PM  

@73 Yordan Yordanov:

@37

Donald Trump is a new dye-in-the-wool New Yorker. What exactly did you expect of him?


I expected him to be smart enough to not step on his own dick when it came to his base, to for example listen to his gun owning sons before the NRA. The BATF estimates 500,000 Americans own bump stocks. How many of them do you expect to vote for Trump in 2020 after he gave them a choice of "Turn 'em all in, Mr. and Mrs. America" or become a Federal felon? Their friends and family?

Exactly how many more Americans will it take the police murdering due to fake Red Flag reports before a lot of gun owners wake up to this clear and present danger?

See also Rubio and many other Republican Senators trying to make them nationwide with our tax dollars, you think Trump won't sign that bill? Mitch McConnell being smart and still connected enough to Kentucky is our best hope there, assuming his Chinese masters don't yank his chain.

Going back to demographics, I'm sure one of the reasons Rick Scott barely managed to win his Senate seat in Florida was his pushing and signing a lot of gun control, including a Red Flag law. How's that Republican betrayal of Florida's base voters going to play out in 2020?

I don't know, but these are unforced errors, as is his continued support of H-1B visas, when plenty of the rank and file workers in IT don't live in states like California with all its "great companies" he's helping. Companies that are doing everything they can to make sure he doesn't get reelected. Team Trump ran a savvy social media campaign in 2016, do you think they're ignorant of how his supporters are being systematically deplatformed, their postings, comments and tweets deep sixed when they're still allowed on social media? Does he never look at the replies to his own tweets and see how they're curiously dominated by people how hate him?

Blogger Gen. Kong January 08, 2019 1:03 PM  

DR3 is a favorite wizard incantation repeated by mindless conservatives all the time. You see it all over the Q-threads over at the chans. It's a lie. BR3 is actually closer to truth, as is JR3. All you have to do is take a look at South Africa and see what's happened and how it's been promised for over 2 decades. Yet even there, few whites are able to resist the wizardry.

Blogger Warunicorn January 08, 2019 1:07 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:I've been reading The Home Computer Wars, about the boom years at Commodore in the early 1980s. The CEO, Jack Tramiel, was very much a penny-pinching Jew, and Commodore did some manufacturing in Asia to keep costs down. But Tramiel insisted that each division of Commodore did its own marketing and sales, because he understood that each nation's customer base had very different needs and desires. So Commodore Germany operated as a German company, for instance, with German employees and attitudes. He even wanted to divide the US up into several regions for the same reason, though they never got that far.

It's interesting to compare what passed for cost-cutting globalism at that time to today's.


Fujifilm (as we all know is a Japanese company) has had a plant in South Carolina since the 80's. (Believe that they make photographic and printing papers there.) I'm surprised it's still there since almost everything else down there (like textiles) has gone the way of the dodo bird. The rub lies in the fact that they're starting to make their flagship cameras like the X-T3 (made in China) outside of Japan. :/

One of my favorite (and simultaneously infuriating) lines from Ann Coulter's "In Trump We Trust":

A hedge fund executive quoted in The Atlantic a few years ago said, “If the transformation of the world economy lifts four people in China and India out of poverty and into the middle class, and meanwhile [that] means one American drops out of the middle class, that’s not such a bad trade.”

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 1:10 PM  

@79 Gen. Kong:

Yet Trump spent the entire month of December pandering to dindus with a get-out-of-jail-free bill whose terms will be imposed by SJW blackrobes.

Another unforced error. What will just one Willie Horton from that jailbreak do to his 2020 reelection prospects? The biggest issue is that's completely out of his control, a Black Swan of sorts if it happens.

Just started reading Antifragile. How are these actions making Trump antifragile against events like Red Flag police murders and Willie Hortons?

All that said, the Democrats could nominate someone worse than Hillary and make it a relatively easy reelection. But that's the same reasoning that worked for Bush 41 in 1988 and failed in 1992.

Blogger DonReynolds January 08, 2019 1:14 PM  

The Iranian grandmothers who moderate the comments at Prison Planet are hard at work today. There was an article about Nancy and Chuckie demanding equal time to respond to Trump's 8 minute announcement. I wondered in my own comment why it was no longer possible for the President to directly speak to the nation without it becoming an instant debate with the opposition party in Congress. After all, FDR had "fireside chats" on the radio for years without a Republican "response".

Without any abusive language or threats, my comment was zapped in less than ten seconds....at Prison Planet. Wow!

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 08, 2019 1:21 PM  

"But of course, we DON'T need to import any of them, that's what really sticks in the craw. We are making ourselves less competitive and putting ourselves out of the tech business like this.

And it's destroying the livelihoods of our native tech workers to boot. It makes no damn sense at all."


Sure it does.

Slavery has always been a game of socializing the costs and privatizing the profits.

This particular form is a direct and predictable result of "safety nets" like social security, the CBT system, and others. If the baby birds (US citizens) in one nest will be taken care of carefully, gently, and thoroughly, why not slip your own cuckoo eggs in there with them? Better yet, why not push all of the original eggs out of the nest and replace them all?

Gov-daddy is overlarge, overreaching, and undergrasping, and that makes for distraction. Once Gov-daddy is distracted, Corp-daddy or others of his ilk insert their own changelings into the nest.

So yes, among other things, this is a direct result of women having the right to vote. Societal apex? Women voting turns that wave back toward nadir as they inevitably vote for Gov-daddy to be the man of the house. Yes, women have gibsmedats too, and they're arguably even more detrimental in the long run if indulged.

Don't want big Gov-daddy reaching into your pocket and into your nest in turn? Castrate him. Castrate his cucker/buttbuddy corporations by antitrusting them into the ground. Separate women from the right to vote, by carrot or stick, because if you don't, the strange men who replace you as man of the house will.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov January 08, 2019 1:21 PM  

@81

We are talking about Republican voters. These motherfuckers voted for George "Common Core" Bush twice. The cuckservatives aren't just in Congress, they are on the streets and in the voting booths. Most of them vote Republican, because Grandma voted Republican.

The Republican voter base isn't nationalist - it's Republican. Just because they have some politicians that are on your side, doesn't mean that the Republican Party is on your side.

Now admittedly at this point even Trump has realized he needs to put his foot down one in a while - ergo the wall issue atm - but again at this point Trump's pattern of "bark, no bite" has been well documented.

Team Trump ran a savvy social media campaign in 2016, do you think they're ignorant of how his supporters are being systematically deplatformed, their postings, comments and tweets deep sixed when they're still allowed on social media? Does he never look at the replies to his own tweets and see how they're curiously dominated by people how hate him?

To begin with I'm not sure he can do anything - that's prevue of Congress, but if he can and does nothing, what does this tell you?


I like Trump, but I'm not deluding myself about the man. Maybe he'll do some good things. The best thing he could do is roll the ball (or have the media roll it for him), so that more genuine nationalist follow his presidency. But we might end up with Reagan all over again as well.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 08, 2019 1:22 PM  

I learned electronics and programming in the Air Force back in the 1990s.
Since then I have had two careers outsourced right out from under me. The H1B thing started to become a problem in the 1990s. Clinton of course, eager to help anybody who was not white, and corporations eager to save money in the usual "it boosts our stock prices" boomernomics way.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 1:41 PM  

@87 Yordan Yordanov:

@81

We are talking about Republican voters. These motherfuckers voted for George "Common Core" Bush twice.


And as I noted, for his father only once. Depends a lot on the opposition, a lot on the degree of betrayal. W was smart enough to limit that to saying he'd sign an assault weapons ban renewal if it hit his desk, and the Democrats were too scared by the 1994 through 2000 election losses to push it until Obama was safely reelected. His father started the Federal government's jihad against semi-auto assault rifles, that's why they can't be imported anymore, and you can commit a Federal felony if yours has too many foreign parts. Or if you remove the integral bayonet from a Relic and Curio SKS.

It's clear that by the end of his second term "George "Common Core" Bush" did terminal damage to the establishment Republican brand, ask Romney, who would have won if he'd gotten Bush's 2004 turnout. In the 2016 primaries Republicans voted for Trump, not Jeb!, not even enough for Cruz.

To begin with I'm not sure he can do anything [about social media and general deplatforming] - that's prevue of Congress, but if he can and does nothing, what does this tell you?

Well, the first thing he can do is not claim these are "great companies" as he did in the press conference, and doing them favors like flooding the country with even more Pajeets.

He could use the bully pulpit, he does a lot of that for what interests him, and that would greatly embarrass them, and possibly cause them serious financial harm, plus now's a great time to kick Facebook while it's on the ground. I don't think he has any control of the DoJ, and the FBI is in open revolt, so there's that, but what about the FTC or FCC?

He could try to convince the Republicans in the Congress that they're eventually in as much danger from social media and deplatforming, but I doubt that would work, and he has negative capital with the Senate, and House Republicans are now irrelevant, but that wasn't true before the 2018 shellacking. During which a number of Republicans had their advertisements pulled and communications curtailed.

But we might end up with Reagan all over again as well.

Reagan set in motion and almost finished the nearly bloodless end of the Evil Empire. It will take a great deal for Trump to top that.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 1:44 PM  

Random #57 wrote:Team Trump ran a savvy social media campaign in 2016, do you think they're ignorant of how his supporters are being systematically deplatformed, their postings, comments and tweets deep sixed when they're still allowed on social media? Does he never look at the replies to his own tweets and see how they're curiously dominated by people how hate him?

Trump is loyal to his people. His supporters are not his people. He doesn't give a damn about the people who support him, any more than he does about the twatter haters who hate on him.

Trump's DoJ is ignoring election fraud and antifa to go after Trump supporters, and Trump is fine with that.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 1:47 PM  

@88 Doktor Jeep:

I learned electronics and programming in the Air Force back in the 1990s.
Since then I have had two careers outsourced right out from under me. The H1B thing started to become a problem in the 1990s. Clinton of course, eager to help anybody who was not white, and corporations eager to save money in the usual "it boosts our stock prices" boomernomics way.


The H-1B program started in 1990, though, thank you Bush 41, and his Administration approved 51,882 visas in FY91 and 44,290 in FY92. Boomer Clinton of course didn't enforce its provisions that in theory protected lower end IT workers, nor did Boomer Bush, but Boomer Trump is. And I hear you on the career ending bit, same thing happened to me once.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov January 08, 2019 1:52 PM  

@89

Well he could do all these things...but he doesn't. And it is frustrating. The most conservative voice in Washington is a Civic Nationalist from New York. It is what it is. At the very least his mere presence is a boost for Nationalists worldwide.

Blogger Meimou January 08, 2019 1:58 PM  

Don't be dramatic, the nwo is our "sworn enemy". Besides what Trump does is more important than what he says. Haven't you learned anything?

Blogger Crew January 08, 2019 2:15 PM  

Trump is loyal to his people. His supporters are not his people. He doesn't give a damn about the people who support him, any more than he does about the twatter haters who hate on him.

I don't think you are correct.

I expect he will announce a state of emergency tonight and that the Army Corps of Engineers will build the wall, or something like that.

Then I expect some crazy judge in the 9th Circuit will issue an injunction.

Then it will likely be announced that RBG has kicked the bucket and Trump will announce his choice of replacement. Roy Moore would be a good choice for so many reasons.

Of course, I could be dreaming, but then I am a Dreamer ...

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 2:23 PM  

@93 Meimou:

Don't be dramatic, the nwo is our "sworn enemy". Besides what Trump does is more important than what he says.

What he's done is ban bump stocks, owned by 500,000 Americans, and shifted H-1B visas up the value ladder, and what he's doing is pushing Red Flag laws, juicing legal immigration aside from the refugee program, such as increasing the "hidden" fraction of the H-1B program for college graduates, "They get educated at our finest schools and then we don’t allow them to – through a various set of circumstances — to have any guarantees of staying. So we lose out on great minds. We can’t do that."

The legal immigration, except H-1Bs are officially temporary except they're a major path to Green Cards, is of course pure civ-nat. But I wasn't aware gun grabbing was part of it.

Maybe you're not a gun owner or STEM worker, or have any in your friends and families. Bully for you, but for those of us who are one or both, "sworn enemy" is the literal truth. And you don't even have to be a gun owner to be endangered by Red Flag laws, half of Florida's actions are done on people who don't own guns. Nothing personal, except to the person who reported you to the Gun Gestapo.

Plus there's this useful word "and", the NWO and Trump can both be our "sworn enemies. Trump has sure surrounded himself with a lot of NWO types, and they still seem to be running his foreign policy, Bolton is either off the reservation with the now conditional Syrian withdrawal and due to be fired, or Trump has surrendered yet again to him and his ilk, although it'l be a while before people forget the headlines and NWO REEEEing.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 2:30 PM  

@94 Crew:

Is that because Ann Coulter shamed him, and reminded him that he'd lose in 2020 if he didn't get serious about the Wall? He unfollowed her, but I suspect the words stuck in his craw.

But the Wall is mostly irrelevant to the facts that "Trump's DoJ is ignoring election fraud and antifa to go after Trump supporters, and Trump is fine with that." The election fraud alone is enough to cost him the 2020 election, as well as end the Republic, what very little there is left of it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 2:41 PM  

Crew wrote:I don't think you are correct.

I might well be wrong. It might be that Trump is unable, rather than unwilling, to stand by his supporters. Is that really better?

Either way, Trump's administration isn't doing the little things that would matter a lot to his supporters. They haven't gone after BLM, they haven't gone after antifa, they haven't gone after bike-lock-prof, nor gone after the local politicians who let him off, they haven't gone after election fraud. They did make time to go after bump stocks, so there is that.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 2:42 PM  

@Riejun

Thanks for the tip.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 2:49 PM  

@46

"Just look at how GDP rises when you replace native workers with cheaper non-native ones!!!

That's all that matters in the reign of quantity..."

And HUGE data breaches due to visitors, without any investment in our economy, doing stupid things like putting retail Point-of-Sale terminals on a wifi network, which can be sniffed, and sniffed, and sniffed, until enough data accumulates to crack the password, because most of the 95%-Hindus-have-a-CS-degree-but-can't-even-write-a-simple-program H1Bs are too lazy to run ethernet, or too willing to go with some manager's not-so-bright-idea of "why pay for ethernet? Wifi is quicker to set up, and you're not paying for wire."

We need a consumer protection law on this issue.

And I'm one of the last people to ever say, "we need a law....."

Blogger Up from the pond January 08, 2019 2:56 PM  

Cue infinity conservatards yarping, "GIT A JOB, SNOWFLAKES!"

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 2:59 PM  

@70

"The sad part is the veterans learn nothing about 4th generation warfare in the military."

Those of us who served in Iraq or Afghanistan beg to differ.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 08, 2019 3:05 PM  

Feels like we're being visited by the ghosts of NeverTrump past. Isn't it a couple weeks late for that?

Blogger Up from the pond January 08, 2019 3:11 PM  

People don't wake up until it happens to them personally.

Then, often, they blame themselves. "Individual failures."

Individualism is anti-pattern. It means NOT connecting the dots.

Individualism was a psy-op to replace us with peoples too street-smart to fall for individualism.

"I'm all right, Jack" until you aren't. Until all the Jacks aren't. Then what?

Tribe up. United we stand, divided we fall.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 3:12 PM  

@84

"Another unforced error. What will just one Willie Horton from that jailbreak do to his 2020 reelection prospects? The biggest issue is that's completely out of his control, a Black Swan of sorts if it happens."

I expect that Trump would do what any businessman does when in a board meeting: "Well, we tried this idea, and it turned out to be a mistake. So let's go back to the old policy."

Every successful businessman knows that doubling-down on stupidity doesn't reverse the drift in the wrong direction.

As grandiose as Trump is, his personality does have a humble element which pokes its head out when it needs to.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 3:21 PM  

@89

" Or if you remove the integral bayonet from a Relic and Curio SKS."

You don't want to remove that.
If someone gets close enough to you for you to use it, steel through the gut works FASTER than a bullet.

A man who is shot might continue to charge you, and even beat you. A man with a foot of steel piercing his gut, and cutting and swishing his insides around with every breath, is going to stop ALL offensive actions against you immediately. Even if he's loaded up with oxycontin beforehand.

Blogger John D Alden January 08, 2019 3:21 PM  

And HUGE data breaches due to visitors, without any investment in our economy, doing stupid things like putting retail Point-of-Sale terminals on a wifi network, which can be sniffed, and sniffed, and sniffed, until enough data accumulates to crack the password, because most of the 95%-Hindus-have-a-CS-degree-but-can't-even-write-a-simple-program H1Bs are too lazy to run ethernet, or too willing to go with some manager's not-so-bright-idea of "why pay for ethernet? Wifi is quicker to set up, and you're not paying for wire."

We need a consumer protection law on this issue.


I'd like to see companies shuttered and the executives in charge sent to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for decades---if not outright executed---when these massive data breaches occur. Half the time there's no "hacking" involved, it's just that some retard left the data exposed online where it could be stumbled upon. The social cost in a credit-mandatory society is enormous.

Not gonna happen, of course. The people in charge are far too stupid to understand the problem even if they were inclined to fix it, and far too corrupt and arrogant to acknowledge that government policies (e.g. social security numbers being used as ID numbers) are the foundation of the problem to begin with.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 3:30 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Every successful businessman knows that doubling-down on stupidity doesn't reverse the drift in the wrong direction.

As grandiose as Trump is, his personality does have a humble element which pokes its head out when it needs to.


Once he figures out that screwing over Trump voters isn't working for him, he'll probably ease up on it.

Trump the civnat boomer isn't one of us, although he does have some goals in common with Americans. He's never going to be the man we need, but in 2016 he was the man we could get.

Blogger widlast washere January 08, 2019 3:34 PM  

"And most blacks don't like middle-class blacks anyhow."
Aint that the truth. Years ago was working on an IRS IT project,
we had some black women from Detroit, and a few ex-military blacks, one of whom grew up in Germany. There was an Amazing amount of loathing going on from the gals from Detroit. The guy from Germany joked that he just wasn't "black enough" to suit them.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 4:08 PM  

@97

" nor gone after the local politicians who let him off, they haven't gone after election fraud. They did make time to go after bump stocks, so there is that."

Banning bumpstocks will save our side ammunition up to and through when it's needed most, at the end of the beginning.

A bumpstock on an AR15 doesn't change it into "almost an M16A1"... it changes it into a less accurate, less reliable, small-bore AK47.

Taking full-auto away from people (mostly on our side) who have never been properly trained on how to actually shoot full auto is a good thing. If you don't know what you're doing, it's just a waste of ammo.

Go watch the R Lee Ermy video where he has a comparison between the M16 and the AK47. The AK47 beats the M-16 in field-stripability, and penetration through cover (not concealment such as a car body with its couple sheets of 1/32" inch soft steel.... COVER -- heavy construction materials), the M-16 beat the AK47 hands down when it comes to accurate fire, even on full auto. The M-16 doesn't have as forceful muzzle-climb as an AK-47.

Bump stocks completely destroy your accuracy after the first shot, because they are, by necessity, loose-fitting, and thus cause a flexation point between the butt of the rifle and your hand on the magazine well or front hand grip (which is supposed to be controlling your aim).

Bumpstocks shouldn't be on the market, and it has nothing to do with pseudo automatic fire. They shouldn't be on the market because they're a poor product, which degrades the weapon they are attached to -- and making a weapon which is accurate for point fire out to 350m with no sight adjustment into a pathetic thing giving the same accuracy as a smoothbore musket at 50m, and more expensive to feed.

Full auto doesn't mean diddly if you can't hit your target. And hitting the target with a weapon fully designed (including the rear stock) for full auto is hard enough as it is, WITHOUT having a horizontal bobble-head between your shoulder and the lower receiver.

If you think you need a bump stock, you don't know what you are doing.

And no, Las Vegas was not done with bump stocks. Anybody familiar with automatic fire can hear the irregularity in the rate of fire from a bump stock. Watch some youtube vids if you don't believe me. The small arms fire in Las Vegas was absolutely regular with respect to interval between shots in a burst -- therefore, not bumpstock.

I've competed in machine gun competitions in the army. I'd rather have an AR-15 with NO butt-stock (just the bare buffer tube) than a bump-stock. And if you think you can single-shot a bump-stock equipped AR15 like what can be done with an M-60, M240-B, or M-249... think again. I once fired an AR-15 which has a 4-lb trigger. UNINTENTIONALLY, it bump-fired as I was intending to fire a 3-round shot-group for sight adjustment. My 2nd 3-round magazine, it did it again. I almost got thrown off the range for automatic fire (this range used to allow a local police department to conduct firearms training there -- until they started shooting M16s on AUTO). Only by stripping the weapon down and showing that the trigger group and bolt-carrier were NOT M16 parts was I allowed to stay on the range. My cousin, who owns it, recommended that I get the butt stock on a more solid part of my shoulder, and that solved it.

But the point is, having experienced the bumpfire in the first magazine, I still wasn't able to ease off the trigger rapidly enough like I can do with the aforementioned machine guns. Nor have I ever been able to do so with an actual M16.

If you want full auto, pay for the stamp, and get a full auto weapon.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 4:24 PM  

Dirk, you are totally right about bump stocks, and totally missed the point.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 4:54 PM  

@110 Ominous Cowherd:

Dirk, you are totally right about bump stocks, and totally missed the point.

I wonder what other things he believes Trump should outlaw with a stoke of the pen, no law behind it, not that the Rule of Law is doing us much good anymore). Strictly for our own good, because we're obviously too stupid to realize unless enforced as a Federal felony. The people who've forgotten they owned a bump stock, the ones who inherited one in a box of junk unknowingly or perhaps without even realizing what it is, who go to Federal prison are a tiny price for society to pay to underline how much we have erred.

Blogger theartistformerlyknownasgeorge January 08, 2019 4:58 PM  

This was also the case even in the libertarian utopia of New Hampshire where I ran my construction business two decades ago. I would have needed a tan or a boob job to get a decent chance at any public contracts in construction.

Blogger xevious2030 January 08, 2019 5:04 PM  

The dissatisfaction and potential are there. People are so prozacked by the TV and social engineering though, that probability is low due to the lack of an appropriate catalyst. People are more interested in awareness, liking, and moan posting, in addition to the general pull of day to day life, which means there would need to be sets of conditions and occurrences along with any of a very limited catalysts to turn the page to hot war, as things stand now. The fastest way is with leadership and escalation, taking on sacred cows with "reckless" abandon (and changing the playing field to create unfair advantage, think just prior to 1860s US slavery politics through the territories) in order to promote a calculable response on which to build further escalation. That is the theory that aligns with high probability.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 5:07 PM  

@110

"Dirk, you are totally right about bump stocks, and totally missed the point. "

Look... I'm a person who believes that the 2nd Amendment means that EVERY American without a felony conviction should be able to buy/make/keep any firearm they want, including machine guns and suppressors, and any firearm, in whatever barrel length they want, concealed or not, without doing ANY paperwork, other than the transaction receipt with whomever you bought it from.
Especially military grade hardware, as the people aren't going to secure their own freedom with only single-barrel, break action 20 gauge, shoked shotguns and .22LR pistols.

That being said, a bump stock is not a firearm.
In fact, it's a firearm degradation device, and works IN OPPOSITION to the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

If I were a dictator, who feared my people, but for some reason could not ban firearms, I would mandate that ALL privately owned firearms be fitted with bumpstocks.

It's like replacing the circular tires on your car with octagonal wheels, and then bragging to your friends, "Ha, YOUR tires only have 1 side... my car has way better ...MY TIRES HAVE EIGHT!!!"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 5:10 PM  

Still missing it, Dirk.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 08, 2019 5:25 PM  

@61

Oh no! Not the bumpstocks! Whatever will we do about the bumpstocks!? It's not Mr. President has accomplished things far more important to the life of this nation and in the long run like the stuff here:

https://www.infowars.com/maga-media-ignores-trumps-long-list-of-accomplishments-after-500-days/


Also, liberty? The people? Ha! What a nice cuckservative line. May have worked sometime before the traitors revealed themselves to be roughly half the population. The only 'liberty' these subhumans deserve is getting kicked out or exterminated quickly or exterminated by being forced to work the rest of their lives mining salt to the profit and betterment of the people they tried to destroy... especially the fags. Nothing would be more just than watching an anti-family person like a fag make money mining valuable material for a family of 20 and putting them all throw whatever is going to replace college.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 5:36 PM  

@116 Emmanuel Mateo-Morales:

@61

Oh no! Not the Red Flag laws! Whatever will I do if someone drops a dime on me!?


You just might be murdered by the police, like Gary J. Willis. Just "family being family", you know.

Also, liberty? The people? Ha! What a nice cuckservative line.

Before we reach your genocidal utopia, just how do you think we should be deciding who gets to own guns?

Right now we're letting anyone without a felony record or the like own them, "the people". It's "liberty", enjoy in while you can.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 08, 2019 5:44 PM  

@102

I know, right? It's like these niggas want us to just roll up and die despite all the things Mr. President has done because a few points he hasn't been able to nail quite yet... probably because of all the enemy resistance he's encountering on other fronts. And now you know why Chairman Mao, for all his even greater faults, made sense when he started his program to route out defeatists.

Blogger James Dixon January 08, 2019 5:48 PM  

> The BATF estimates 500,000 Americans own bump stocks.

The BATF lies through their teeth.

> Is that because Ann Coulter shamed him,

No, it's because his supporters contacted him and told him they wanted the Wall and they didn't care how long the government was shut down.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 5:59 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 6:22 PM  

The best possible outcome for the American people would be that every bumpstock be destroyed. FOR FREEDOM from government tyrrany.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 6:27 PM  

@119 James Dixon:

> The BATF estimates 500,000 Americans own bump stocks.

The BATF lies through their teeth.


Of course, I use it because it's the lowest maybe legitimate estimate. Others put it around 800,000 shipped, we don't know how many people bought more than one, or threw away their's long ago, since as we've been reminded again, they're a mostly useless toy.

Do you doubt it's hundreds of thousands of people? Who along with some of their friends and family are not exactly happy with Trump?

Folks, you're defending the indefensible. Do you not want to admit this was a dumb move that along with other things like his full throated support of H-1B visas, the subject of this topic, could cost him the 2020 election? Al Gore would have won in 2000 if he hadn't been such an ardent gun grabber during the campaign, it was that close. 2016 was almost that close, against Hillary

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 6:27 PM  

As we have seen, total freedom can be abused to the detriment of the cause of freedom.

Just as we should return to a protectionist system of tarriffs, which took us from being a 3rd world backwater to the most powerful nation on the planet in 150 years,

Likewise, there's no argument based on the ENTIRE concept of freedom (i.e. you don't get the freedom to destroy freedom) that has any use for bumpstocks. If the 2nd Amendment is needed, bumpstocks will IMPAIR our ability to obtain our objectices.

If getting rid of these freedom hinderers puts a few idiots in jail (who won't be of much use to us, anyways, even if they were out roaming around free, because they would be shooting up lots of ammo for little to no result), then I'm 100% fine with that.

The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.

Blogger eclecticme January 08, 2019 6:33 PM  

I lived near a street that lead south a couple blocks over the interstate with a finance related business on the left (East) and a public school on the right. I would see Indian H-1Bs walking south every AM with their ID tags. They had replaced the US IT workers. They lived packed in some apt further north. They were invisible to the public school teachers. I wished they had turned right insted of left and replaced all the school teachers, for educational purposes.

Most govt employees think they are special, not just protected.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 08, 2019 6:36 PM  

While we're at it, if there was a new federal law against selling defective ammunition, would you all get mad at Trump about that, too?

I take my liberty seriously enough to have stayed in the military 8 years and counting AFTER retirement eligibility. I'm not making any money to speak of off of my service. And I'm taking the risk of being sent off for another war that doesn't exactly serve the interests of the American people... but I continue serving so that, IF there is an opportunity to use such service to advance our liberty, then I'm in a position to do so.

Until you can say the same or more, then I really don't care what your dumb argument for your Freedumb to have a device which will needlessly waist precious ammunition is.

Your argument is literally as hollow as HP's argument for why they should have the freedom to import more Hindus. BOTH are destructive to the long-term freedom of the American people.

Blogger JimR January 08, 2019 7:15 PM  

I have a different view of the dreaded bumpstock ban, read it, it's so badly written that it seems designed to attract a legal challenge, as legislating from the executive branch, poorly worded, *and* lacking in Constitutionality violating the 2nd, 5th, and 10th amendment. I believe it was designed to fail, and then GEOTUS would shrug and smile.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 08, 2019 7:21 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Sounds very similar to my life.
Same here.

Dirk Manly wrote:But you're avoiding the bigger question -- I'm a well-educated computer engineer. My last position within the field was assistant manager of the super computing group at the GM Tech center (which is larger than the main campus of most any state university you care to name)... and yet I can't even get entry level work in that field... but they sure have lots of Hindus and Pakis... because they "can't find anybody" with even entry-level skills. BULL SHIT.

Some problems are best solved with a work-around, because there is no real solution.

This problem HAS a real solution -- killing the traitors.

Perhaps the best way to ramp things up is to make them bleed, financially; I have a couple of ideas on how to do this -- pop an email to this handle at gmail.com if you'd like to talk more on it.

Dirtnapninja wrote:Chiva wrote:There will be war.

The Saxon began to hate.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Just hang out on /pol/ for a while -- because it's coming.

CarpeOro wrote:"According to Dr. Michio Kaku the H-1B is the "genius visa"."

Cow chips. I've been outsourced twice - my work was primarily off-shored each time. Both times they put 4 of these geniuses to work doing what I did and they failed horribly (I was contracted back in to the first company twice to help on projects they couldn't handle). They create the cycle of "we can't find Americans that can do the work" by pushing them out of said positions first and discourage them trying to find work in the field again by shuffling applications to the bottom of the pile below H1Bs that will "attempt" to do the job for less.

More than that; the secondary effects are pretty astounding when you look. Things like: longer times between getting employed, devaluation/inflation of skills ostensibly in the market, suppression of wages, less savings (because you're living off them while trying to find a job), etc.

Dirk Manly wrote:These managers should be prosecuted (through a class action suit by stockholders) for fraud, waste, and mismanagement of stockholders' assets (to wit: the corporation's bank account).
RICOed.

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 7:38 PM  

@126 JimR:

I have a different view of the dreaded bumpstock ban, read it, it's so badly written that it seems designed to attract a legal challenge, as legislating from the executive branch, poorly worded, *and* lacking in Constitutionality violating the 2nd, 5th, and 10th amendment. I believe it was designed to fail, and then GEOTUS would shrug and smile.

That he didn't quite succeed in screwing over 500,000 gunowners, many of whom will have already turned over their bump stocks? It's also a dangerous bet, there's an anti-gun majority of at least 5 on the Supreme Court today, after Kavanaugh was seated, for this to work Trump needs to replace at least one commie.

Blogger JimR January 08, 2019 7:46 PM  

was there an actual question in your diatribe Random number dude?

Blogger Random #57 January 08, 2019 7:51 PM  

@129 JimR:

was there an actual question in your diatribe Random number dude?

Yes, how does this, or getting back on topic, expanding H-1B visas for the "great companies" that are screwing over Trump and his supporters going to help him?

Blogger JimR January 08, 2019 8:00 PM  

on the visas, no clue, I've already given my opinion on the bumpstock stuff.

Blogger Hammerli280 January 08, 2019 8:40 PM  

WRT the bump stock issue, I think it highlights one of Trump's weaknesses...he doesn't think through all the second and third-order effects.

This isn't as much a 2A issue as it's a 5th Amendment "takings" issue, and an "ex post facto" law issue. What worries me is that the lower courts have been playing with a "but guns" exception to the whole legal system...and SCOTUS is letting them get away with it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2019 9:10 PM  

JimR wrote:I have a different view of the dreaded bumpstock ban, read it, it's so badly written that it seems designed to attract a legal challenge, as legislating from the executive branch, poorly worded, *and* lacking in Constitutionality violating the 2nd, 5th, and 10th amendment. I believe it was designed to fail, and then GEOTUS would shrug and smile.

That might even be Trump's intent: to have that struck down in a really broad decision that closes to door to gun bans. Will the Leftist judiciary play along? Will the Leftist DoJ play along? Remeber, this is the same DoJ that is currently covering up the crimes of the past administration, currently in open rebellion against Trump, and recently illegally running guns to the Mexican drug cartels.

This is a curiously convoluted plan that depends on a great many factors that don't seem to be within Trump's control.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 08, 2019 9:13 PM  

"The best possible outcome for the American people would be that every bumpstock be destroyed. FOR FREEDOM from government tyrrany."

What part of "every single x destroyed by the government for the sake of freedom from government tyranny doesn't set off the illogic alarms in your brain, Dirk?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 08, 2019 9:16 PM  

@90
Trump's DoJ is ignoring election fraud and antifa to go after Trump supporters, and Trump is fine with that

Don't forget the 4 RAM guys in jail without bail on bogus federal "conspiracy to riot" charges -- for being present at the Charlottesville rally, and for defending the Huntington Beach MAGA rally against antifa attack. The initial FBI complaint in the case literally quotes from an antifa website to "justify" the charges.

No, I'm not kidding. FBI complaint is at

documentcloud.org/documents/4952958-Charlottesville-Complaint.html

It's on page 6.

The url for the antifa website is misspelled in the complaint -- it's actually
nocara.blackblogs.org

@110
Exactly. The slippery slope is real. Never give an inch.

Blogger Unknown January 08, 2019 11:21 PM  

It's good to hear your voice Johnny, it's been a long time.

Blogger Scott Birch January 08, 2019 11:26 PM  

Hi Peter Gent. Is raw or cooked broccoli best?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 12:17 AM  

@134

"
What part of "every single x destroyed by the government for the sake of freedom from government tyranny doesn't set off the illogic alarms in your brain, Dirk?

I'm a combat vet.
I've been shooting weapons on full auto since 1989.

I know how difficult it is to hit anything with automatic fire even when you have a weapon that is completely designed to do such a thing, and designed to do it under combat conditions.

Now, what is your opinion based on?

And have you backed up your commitment to the cause by personally enlisting, and re-enlisting, and re-enlisting even after retirement eligibility?

A bump-stock ban is far less of a danger to the 2nd Amendment than the 1934 Firearms Act (*), the 1968 "Gun Control Act"(**), and the machine gun paragraph of the 1986 "Firearm Owners Protection Act,"(***)

Get those repealed, especially the 1994 law (which says that no NEW automatic weapons may be sold to individuals -- and that once an automatic weapon is owned by a corporate entity, it may NEVER be sold into private ownership -- both terms thereby gradually winnowing away the number that are in private hands) and then you wouldn't have the slightest desire for a stupid bump stock.

Bumpstocks are idiotic.

Repeal the laws against you owning a machine gun without paying out the nose for a tax stamp, without paying an inflated price for the gun itself (due to the artificial scarcity induced by the 1986 Act), and the anal exam required by the BATF, and we will all have ACTUAL freedom, not ersatz, bandaid bump-stock free-DUMB.

(*) which was only upheld by the Supreme Court because prosecutor appealed the Appellate court's decision in favor of the defendant, Miller, because he know that Miller was close to death, and calculated that if Miller did die, then Miller's legal defense team would fall apart before the date for oral arguments in th Supreme Court. thereby giving the prosecution a win by default. And that's exactly what did happen, except that Miller didn't die from illness, he was murdered.. Fail to show, and it's interpreted by the court that you have conceded the argument to the opposing side (regardless of such mitigating circumstances such as that you're incapacitated or dead). The act converted the right to own a machine guns and small arms suppressors into a licensed privelege, bans "short-barreled" long arms (as having no military usefulness... which anybody who has fought in close quarters will tell you is an absolute lie. Which is why a short-barreled shotgun was called a "trench gun" in WW1, and why tankers, self-propelled artillery, and both motorized and mechanized infantry are issued carbines, rather than full-length rifles. Paratroopers carry carbines for a different reason -- weight.)

(**) Which outlawed many low-cost pistols, after a many-years (((media))) campaigns against "saturday night specials", primarily pistols without a safety -- which is generally not needed as you keep the chamber that the hammer rests on EMPTY, and the

(***) The 1986 FOPA prohibits any machine gun manufactured after the law's implementation date from EVER being sold to an individual -- all M16's, etc. sold after that date can ONLY be owned by corporations. and also says that once a machine gun is owned by a corporation, it may NEVER be sold to a private owner ever again. The sole purpose of this is to steadily lower the number of machine guns which are in private ownership, until there are none (unless you are both financially well off and politically connected enough to be able to form a corporation which has the ability to buy machine guns. This is an even more expensive way than the old $300 tax stamp.)

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 12:19 AM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 12:20 AM  

@135


"@110
Exactly. The slippery slope is real. Never give an inch."

And what are YOU doing about the unconstitutional aspects of the 1934 Firearms Act, the 1968 "Gun Control" Act, and the 1986 Firearms Owners (but certainly not buyer's) Protection Act?

Quit worrying about a sliver in your calf when you and I both are getting beaten over the head with a club.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 09, 2019 12:32 AM  

"I'm a combat vet.
I've been shooting weapons on full auto since 1989.

I know how difficult it is to hit anything with automatic fire even when you have a weapon that is completely designed to do such a thing, and designed to do it under combat conditions."


Utterly irrelevant.

"Now, what is your opinion based on?"

Sanity and simple, actual definitions of terms.

"And have you backed up your commitment to the cause by personally enlisting, and re-enlisting, and re-enlisting even after retirement eligibility?"

Irrelevant.

This isn't even slightly difficult Dirk. Being in favor of governmental control over anything whatsoever can never, ever be said to be the opposite of tyranny. You can say "it's for your own good" all you want, it's still irrelevant.

An at least halfway sane line of argument would be that even though it's increasing government power/control, government SHOULD STILL be doing it.

"Quit worrying about a sliver in your calf when you and I both are getting beaten over the head with a club."

The clubbing happened a while ago. Granted, remedying it is still a concern, but so is preventing further splinters, particularly poisonous ones with an extraordinarily high potential for infection.

Still irrelevant. My argument wasn't that it shouldn't happen. Whether or not I hold that position is entirely irrelevant. My argument was that it does exactly the opposite of decreasing tyranny.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 12:46 AM  

Dirk, getting rid of earlier gun bans is a great idea. You have yet to convince me that the bump stuck ban moves us in that direction. Indeed, I am increadingly convinced it moves us further away from repeal of the NFA.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 09, 2019 1:38 AM  

The argument that something is "dangerous" and/or "not useful" is the same one that is used for legislation against all kinds of weapons, Dirk.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 4:01 AM  

Protecting your 1st Amendment rights:

Hey people, we're getting censored in all sorts of public communications venues on platforms which are (covertly) funded by the government, via the CIA! We need to pressure Congress into correcting this.


Doing it WRONG:

Nevermind that, some judge said I can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater just because I feel like it!!! HELP! HELP! I'M BEIN' REPRESSED!! COME SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 4:15 AM  

@143

"The argument that something is "dangerous" and/or "not useful"

It's counterthetical to keeping our freedom.

That, and the majority of non-leftist legal scholars agree that the 2nd Amendment is for MILITARY GRADE weaponry.

Bumpstocks are NOT military grade weaponry.

Banning them is not only NOT infringing on the 2nd Amendment, it's doing our side a favor.

Again, why don't you address the REAL infringements on our 2nd Amendment rights:

A) 1934 National Firearms Act
B) 1968 "Gun Control" Act
C) 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act which prohibits all machineguns ever owned by a corporation, or manufactured after the implementation date, from being sold to a private individual (i.e. non-corporate entity), ever again, under any circumstances
Oh, and the most recent act, which prohibits the importation of firearms, and prohibits constructing any firearm with more than 3 foreign parts -- which means that if you have such a firearm, and take it apart for cleaning, and reassemble it, BATF can (and if they feel like it, WILL) arrest you, even though it's a completely bogus, nonsensical reading of the law.

I'll believe you're serious when you start talking about those issues, rather than raging on about how the government won't let you waste ammo in a manner that's even LESS accurate that spray-and-pray.

If you want full auto, then get the Machine Gun paragraph of the 1986 FOPA repealed, and then go after the 1934 National Firearms Act.

Anything else is just idiotic fucking larping.

Hey... we need food?

Ok... let's use what little gas we have in the gas tank to drive to a city which has had a power outage for the last week, and everything in the grocery stores is even gone, or has gone bad for lack of refrigeration.

FUCKING PRIORITIES, PEOPLE!

Hey! I've got powder residue on my cheek from firing this old flintlock!

What about the huge wound in your arm that's squirting out arterial blood cause by you getting accidentally bayoneted in the re-enactment that just finished. You know, that's pretty damned important.

No, no... that doesn't bother me. I've got a date tonight, and I don't want to look all grubby with this black residue on half of my face.

HOW MUCH MORE STUPID DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO BE?

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 4:21 AM  

Get rid of the machine gun paragraph in the 1986 FOPA, and the price of a genuine M16 comes down to about $400 ~ $800 (depending on features)...basically the same price as an AR-15. PLUS your $300 tax stamp.

Get rid of the 1934 NFA, and the price of an M16 comes down to the same price as an AR-15.

Or, if you already own one, a new trigger group, drilling 1 or 2 holes in the lower receiver, and a new bolt carrier... costs about as much as a bump stock. AND you have an actual selector switch to choose between safe, semi, and auto.

AND you're not stuck with ONLY "automatic fire" until you swap out your idiot-stock.

Blogger SciVo January 09, 2019 5:00 AM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:Chiva wrote:There will be war.

The Saxon began to hate.


I'll believe it when i see it.


Al Du Clur wrote:Fantasizing that there will be war is a coping mechanism to help whites deal emotionally with losing their country and, in a growing number of instances, their careers. The right are simply consumers who buy guns to fill an emotional need like women buy shoes

I feel the same way as both of you, to some extent. We're past the point where it's reasonable to wonder if Rudyard Kipling quotes and gun collections are more of an anesthetizing substitute for action than mental preparation for it.

At the same time, Angelo Codevilla lays a careful and solid case that we are in a revolutionary spiral, of which Trump's election was the first turn and the Resistance was the second. The best test of a mental model is its predictive power, so when will the third turn happen, and what form will it take?

Well, we know that in their illegitimate self-righteousness, our Leets have become absolutely shameless about subverting democracy -- not that the activity is new, but that they used to keep on the down low. And the NPCs have been programmed to view the 2020 Presidential election as a literally existential question, so we can reasonably expect Democrats to set breathtaking new lows for balloting shenanigans.

Given the Presidential contenders' rhetoric already on display, while they're theoretically still trying to keep their more lunatic views hidden from moderates and swing voters, we can reasonably expect that if an anti-nationalist (of any party) wins in 2020, then xir inaugural address will hit like an atom bomb.

So there you go, that's my prediction: unless Trump (or an ultra) wins in November 2020, then January 2021 will see the kickoff of the next phase. As the "resistance" is essentially a Counter-Revolution to the American Revolution, I have tentatively dubbed this coming third turn the American Re-Revolution.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 6:45 AM  

@147

" As the "resistance" is essentially a Counter-Revolution to the American Revolution"

I've been referring to leftists as counter-revolutionaries (in replies to their asinine comments beneath new stories) for some two years now.

Glad to see that someone else came to the same conclusion, independently.

Blogger SciVo January 09, 2019 7:29 AM  

It is the natural conclusion of socialists' clear opposition to the majoritarian subsidiarity. Instead of self-rule, they would rather subject us to the unaccountable whims of a million micro-dicktaters.

That doesn't even state it strongly enough; as we saw with Michael Moore's RBG ornament, these authoritarian followers get downright fangirly over the kritarchy and technocracy. It's a sickness.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 09, 2019 8:45 AM  

Since the mid 1990's, every leftest I've met has also been a closet dictator... and usually just barely closeted at that. All spouting Kumbaya in one form or another, until someone has a difference in taste, or mere opinion. Then they're ready to bring out the rack and the Iron Maiden.

Blogger xevious2030 January 09, 2019 12:01 PM  

Trump moving a missile destroyer January 7th.
This is a beautiful example of @113.

In this, catalysts may occur at a variety of levels, with the key ingredient being leadership. Not a messiah figure, but someone to get the herd moving.

At face value, is the potential for war with China, still low at the moment. It trashed the sacred cow of BS territorial claims by what amount to moored ships (manmade islands) rather than existing natural territory, improvement versus acquisition. At the international level.

It also is a shot across the bow to companies that would consider moving all their eggs out of the US and putting them in the China basket. Because, on the one side, there is the potential disruption in trade, and on the other side, the likelihood of nationalization by China in the event of conflict.

At a state level, it begins to lay the groundwork for charges of treason against those that might align with China, confiscation of property/assets and various impeachments, if a time of war were to come about. Military tribunals, not simply criminal cases, in other occurrences. At this point, the Left in America, would be well advised to back off the “wall” situation, because this has them in check, or in (butchered) boxing, has them set up for a heck of an uppercut. Not enough for a KO, but enough to start counting. Leaving their button exposed pretty well.

As with anything with Trump, we’ll see if this is the intention, or if this is simply a matter of negotiation. With recent staff changes and activity though, there is at least the hint that the dancing may be about done and the stinging may be about to begin.

Blogger Random #57 January 09, 2019 12:12 PM  

@151 xevious2030

When it comes to treason in support of China, the highest level US politicians are no less than Mitch McConnell and his wife Zhào Xiǎolán or Elaine Lan Chao, current Secretary of the Department of Transportation, her family is big in Chinese related shipping.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 12:26 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:With recent staff changes and activity though, there is at least the hint that the dancing may be about done and the stinging may be about to begin.

That's always the great hope: that the past two years really have been prelude, and all the dominoes that have been set up really will be knocked down. Trump really might not be just trying to recreate the swamp of the '60s, he might really be willing to fundamentally change our Leftist dystopia.

His actions don't rule that out, but his many inactions make it unlikely.

Blogger xevious2030 January 09, 2019 2:42 PM  

@152
The start of a really big list. The top would be those well above people simply profiting.

@153
I figure it unlikely as well, and he is pretty good at stringing people along, throwing just enough crumbs to keep the audience up in anticipation, but not generally enough to change the bread and circuses of his political drama into something real and substantive. But the danger posed to the Left under the current circumstances is real.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 09, 2019 3:02 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:But the danger posed to the Left under the current circumstances is real.

Yes, he has done the Left great harm, and shows promise of doing at least a little more.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 09, 2019 4:09 PM  

Nothing you're saying at this point is relevant Dirk. Nothing at all.

I'm done with you for this thread. You can keep making straw men and projections until the cows come home. The only one raging here is you.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 09, 2019 10:41 PM  

Random #57 wrote:@151 xevious2030

When it comes to treason in support of China, the highest level US politicians are no less than Mitch McConnell and his wife Zhào Xiǎolán or Elaine Lan Chao, current Secretary of the Department of Transportation, her family is big in Chinese related shipping.

Let's not forget: Clinton gave (sold?) the Chinese missile tech.

And none of this is touching on the conflicts of interest of our politicians being bought by corporations which have interests in China.

Blogger xevious2030 January 10, 2019 1:19 PM  

@157

Bill covered his tracks pretty well, from a legal standpoint. Hillary has some big issues that could come back. And Congress is not going to move to impeach and sentence. Which leaves military tribunals, with the same limitations/flexibility as the Nuremburg trials, at least for Bill. A jury trial, with the prospects for getting enough Leftists/Swamp lovers to throw it, is problematic, though doable. But only as a measure to impeach judges, which is not likely now. It might have been likely a year ago, but not under the current conditions. Though there is the potential for the Supreme Court to do some good. A situation of war or near war, triggering national emergency, and establishing an ongoing connection to and interests in an established enemy, provides the surest footing. The missile destroyer can be played off as negotiation tactics, but there is the potential for a whole lot more, bringing Patriot Act (they were stupid enough to build the sword that cuts both ways) level activity against the Swamp. From Afghanistan rare earth minerals, to the Arab Spring (war on terror), to deals in Africa. Golden parachutes provided on the behest of the Middle Kingdom. Puts all of those in reach of the stinger. The Left is in a very precarious position, in terms of opportunity.

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