Sunday, January 06, 2019

New haters, new fans

Some of the low-status lobsters were very upset to discover that humanity's greatest thinker, Jordan Peterson, was literally too stupid for law school.
  • i like his construction much better than yours. in terms of contribution to human experience, he trumps your nonsense. did you just call him a moron? someone who saved lives of so many men? turned their lives for the better? how can you disregard all that robot?
  • “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”  Unfortunately, you are majorly lacking humility.  I get what you’re saying but the posturing with your scores and outbursts toward the audience exposes your arrogance.  Arrogance is inherently unintelligent especially when as it relates to effective communication. Can’t imagine this trait has played out well in your personal relationships. How can you pretend to be a Christ follower even though this displayed your utter contempt for anyone not on your intellectual level?  Are you not a charlatan by claiming you are a Christian and explicitly going against a directive by God to be humble?
  • Let it go man! We get it... you think you're smarter than Peterson and you deeply resent him being celebrated and rich instead of you. Why don't you use that IQ of yours to figure out how to overcome your wounded ego?
  • I guess we should not listen to JP ? Please tell me how his message will make this god aweful intellectual MESS of a worldview worse?(post moderism) If you find nothing positive in what he says then...Why attack him? Why not show some of that obviously high powered intellect and present something that makes makes better sense? I don't give a fart in a whirlwind what JPs IQ is. And you have not impressed me in the least. He does not strike me as a pompous asd.
  • Joe rogan was a large part of why jordan blew up. I saw him on there and I have gotten at least half a dozen ppl to follow him. Whats not organic about that. Ur a bitter bald man. Lol owen Benjamin smarter than peterson? U are bitter my friend.
  • Your smart enough to figure out how to make a buck off someone else's success, and your doing it by simply providing a contrary position and picking random holes in an othewise positive doctin for the sake of itself. Your a just a critic and thats easy low IQ territory. Thats what you bring to the table. Petsrsons maps od meaning is difficult to undetstand for you becauae yout not interested in doing the ground work to really understand what he is saying, and you dont want to understand because then you would have nothing to talk about. Bravo. How about adding something positive or constructive to the conversation?
On the other hand, people who are actually listening to the new audiobook - now available exclusively at the Arkhaven store - have found the case it presents to be conclusive, if not downright lethal.
  • I wasn't impressed with Jordanetics until about chapter six when I realized I was listening to an intellectual murder, and the first few chapters had simply been you setting up your kill room. Thanks for writing the book, and for breaking it down in such an easy-to-follow way.
  • I finally received the book. It's brutal. Some sections are probably in violation of the Geneva Conventions.
I found the first review to be particularly amusing, as it reminded me of the late Bane's review of The Irrational Atheist almost exactly 11 years ago.
It is the kind of writing that compels me to write, and he does all of your thinking for you, so you don't have to do anything but lay back and enjoy it. So far. And what a work of art it is. So far. It grabs you by the nose with velvet gloved fingers, pulls you around where it wants you to go...I am reminded of the Francis Dollarhyde character in Manhunter, when he is giving the slide show to the creep reporter Freddy Lounds, saying "Do you see?" as he takes Freddy from one scene of horror to the next.
I rather like the title of "Intellectual Serial Killer". All the fun and none of the mess.

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Blogger Rocklea Marina January 06, 2019 7:08 AM  

Oh dear, the poor lobsters. Those comments are hilarious. I just don't understand, how can you disregard all that robot?

Blogger mostly dead January 06, 2019 7:26 AM  

"Petsrsons maps od meaning is difficult to undetstand for you becauae yout not interested in doing the ground work to really understand what he is saying, and you dont want to understand because then you would have nothing to talk about. "

Witnes my smart akhademic philosophy ot intelligent, i am lkie Witstengain only without gayness.

Blogger The Cooler January 06, 2019 7:36 AM  

That's a lot of Encyclopedia Britannica sets behind you.

This one did make me snicker, though.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2019 7:37 AM  

Into the pot for you.

Blogger Silent Draco January 06, 2019 7:45 AM  

Children, hearken to the Zeroth Rule for Life:

"Know how to spell correctly, or at least use a spell chick."

The saddest part is that they consider that concrete shell, with drab, gray primer paint peeling and flaking off, as a gaily painted sepulcher. Peterson doesn't even make a good Pharisee.

Blogger Rickaby007 January 06, 2019 7:51 AM  

All that shitty grammar and struggle-coping. Sweet Jesus.

Blogger Peaceful Poster January 06, 2019 8:06 AM  

"Know how to spell correctly, or at least use a spell chick."

My wife is a great speller.

Blogger John rockwell January 06, 2019 8:07 AM  

Better few words of truth in clarity than a garble of meaninglessness

Blogger Vaughan Williams January 06, 2019 8:30 AM  

A lobster told me listening to JP makes him feel good, Vox makes him feel bad, therefore he has and will spend hours "researching Vox" to justify not listening to the audio book. Any chance of a lawsuit against Wikipedia? Maybe after the Indiegogo? Wikipedia figured prominently in the lobsters excuses for not listening to the audio book.

Blogger Disciple of Kek January 06, 2019 8:34 AM  

It cracks me up how much these "critics" are obsessed with status and jealousy. The idea of doing the right thing, fighting evil and deception, is totally alien to them.

Blogger 2Bfree January 06, 2019 8:39 AM  

Watching VD tear apart the Satanic works of Peterson is fun. I didn't buy your book because I'd rather spend my book dollars on more entertaining fiction that patently obvious exposure of evil. I never understood how people ever considered taking Jordan Peterson seriously. From a very brief listing of his 12 rules, any discerning man who bothers to think, would reject them as being trite musings of mediocrity, with just enough truth to get you to consider the evil lies it holds. The 12 rules were inspired by a hater of Christ.

They promote keeping your head down, being mediocre, and nothing but a compliant worker drone. Only rule 1, 2, 9, and 11 are reasonable. The rest are feel good bullshit.

Rule 5 is a direct contradiction to Proverbs 13:24. That alone is enough to reject his entire works because they are clearly against the plain teachings of the Bible.

Consider rule 3; you boss wants what's best for the company and himself. He only wants what's best for you in so much as it will make you more productive for the company and make him look good. If firing you would be better for the company, and keeping you would make him look bad, you're fired, despite it being best for you to stay employed. Making friends with your boss is in your best interest, regardless of his wishes concerning you. Conversely if your the boss, those working under you want your job, and will back stab you if they think it will get them a promotion. Making friends with those you supervise, even if they wish you ill, is to your benefit. Simpler is to look at the Good Samaritan as an example.

Peterson's 12 rules are utopian wishing for how he dreams the world should be, not realistic rules for life.

His 12 rules they come down to:
1 - have good posture
2 - don't hate yourself
3 - be a fair weather friend to others
4 - if you were a loser yesterday, and you are only a little less a loser today, that's good enough.
5 - spoil your children and don't discipline them
6 - You aren't perfect so shut-up
7 - Waste your time on what "feels" good
8 - If the truth is not convenient, shut up
9 - Listen to others
10 - say what you mean
11 - Let kids do dangerous stuff
12 - touch feral animals

Compared to the 10 commandments, they suck. They are clearly the work of the Great Deceiver, and should be rejected, ignored, and even if your own house isn't in order, should be criticized.

Keep up the good work VD, wish I could wordsmith at your level in exposing Peterson's and other's works of evil.

Blogger James Jones January 06, 2019 8:44 AM  

Vox, prophets are always reviled. Not that you need to hear it, but you're doing an amazing job, and you are right over the target with this one, dropping reality bombs on top of midwits and halfwits.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 06, 2019 9:49 AM  

Very kind of you Vox to boil us a few of JBP's lobsters.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira January 06, 2019 10:02 AM  

While the IQ gap isn't big enough for JBP to look like a mental retard in comparison to myself, compared to me, he does look like a massive f*gg*t. And that's f*ck*ng something.

Blogger ÆtherCzar January 06, 2019 10:43 AM  

Now that VD has pointed out Peterson's game - you see the secular philosophy Peterson advocates everywhere. For instance, I still regard Babylon 5 is a brilliant and well-integrated piece of art, but its creator, J. Michael Straczynski, very cleverly captures the same gestalt as Peterson. His future human society is an ecumenical place where Jews, Christians, Moselms, atheists and others all gather together to sing Kumbayah and embrace (literally) the more enlightened aliens ready to follow humanity's shining example. The villains of the piece are the forces of ultimate order (the Vorlons) and ultimate chaos (the Shadows), and virtue lies in following a middle course between them. JMS' fascists are those "Earth Firsters" who rebel against treating aliens on an equal footing and attempt to exercise any sort of in-group versus out-group preference. This is the same secular religion of a middle path between order and chaos that underlies Jordan Peterson's philosophy and teachings. Thanks, VD, for making that so clear and obvious.

Blogger Creepingsancy January 06, 2019 11:16 AM  

Ha! Good old bane. I remember him describing in detail how he would mess you all up even though he was in a wheelchair. Rip bane

Blogger Shadowfax January 06, 2019 11:29 AM  

"New haters, new fans"

New fan here.

I liked JBP for his free speech activism, his (earlier) Milo comments and some funny interviews, though I was repeatedly disappointed by the lecture fragment clips. They always had titles like 'Brilliant explanation of [xyz]", and after half the clip you'd ask: "When is he finally coming to [xyz], or any point at all?" Yet I continued liking him, at least until the Kavanaugh tweet, which made me wonder. And then, through Milo, I discovered Jordanetics and Vox. Finally his (JBP's) preoccupation with Pinocchio makes soooo much sense!

@5 / @7 "Know how to spell correctly, or at least use a spell chick." / "My wife is a great speller."

I immediately thought of Hermione...

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 11:30 AM  

New fan here.

Welcome, Shadowfax.

Blogger JAU January 06, 2019 11:32 AM  

On the subject of Bane, I thought a great crowd fund reward would be a 4-8 page comic adaptation of Bane Walks On. Might have to change the name though.

Blogger Othello January 06, 2019 11:56 AM  


Blogger Dave January 06, 2019 12:05 PM  

Wow, Vox, over 21,000 views and over 760 comments on that vid. Now if you only took Superchats and started trashing Star Wars movies, you too, could become an overnight youtube sensation. You wouldn't have to give up that much of your soul, either.

Blogger Silent Draco January 06, 2019 12:25 PM  

@17 Shadowfax, welcome. Excellent observations, there.

Hermione and her sisters in the strong womynhood coven were part of the target. She earned the sobriquet "Henpecker", first class, with henbane leaves. The rest was an observation of those pitiful comment writers who forgot that their writing and grammar reflect their written public posture. As Longtime Lurker noted above, "into the pot!"

Blogger Matt January 06, 2019 12:31 PM  

As a Christian that grew up in the liberal church and have done a lot of research on the link between liberal Christianity and gnosticism it is nice to see someone critique JPs religion. It's nothing new. The liberals have been preaching this bafflegarble to each other for a while. JP is a more entertaining and engaging version of Marcus Borg.

Blogger Xiety January 06, 2019 12:34 PM  

12 rules for robot life: an otherwise positive doctin

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 06, 2019 12:43 PM  

"But Mr. Vox, why did you do it? What could bring you to such a depraved act of intellectual slaughter?"

"The lulz."


Dammit Draco. Back into the spelling gulag with you.

Blogger Lance E January 06, 2019 2:00 PM  

Silent Draco wrote:The rest was an observation of those pitiful comment writers who forgot that their writing and grammar reflect their written public posture.

This is a very good point. On the internet, spelling and grammar are your posture. By writing such sad slop, they are breaking their great leader's #1 rule.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 06, 2019 3:18 PM  

If any sufficiently high intelligence is indistinguishable from insanity.

Would not the reverse be true?

If Jordan Peterson is sufficiently insane he would therefore have to be a true genius that transcends mere numbers and test scores.

Blogger tz January 06, 2019 7:00 PM  

For lobsters, they seem to often take after crabs or shrimp. Except they don't have a thick carapace.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums January 07, 2019 6:25 AM  

The way Vox insults people is what's got me interested in him. He does it not to offend, he does it like a doctor giving a diagnosis.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 07, 2019 6:38 AM  


I've been in that situation.

Some idiot: "You're just calling me names"
Me: "Wrong. I completed my argument on this subject several minutes ago. Now, I'm simply stating the facts about why YOU are incapable of comprehending and accepting the truth."

What I like about Vox Popoli is that it rarely gets to that point here.

Blogger Genghis Khan January 07, 2019 4:53 PM  

I'm gonna assume VD missed my last comments on his Jordan Peterson IQ Dark stream post. So here's a combination of my two comments (in regards to his point that you can average percentiles):

But look at the data:

Peterson would've taken the old GRE test, which has Q and V on 800 point scale.

75th percentile Q and 99th percentile V gives you (best case) 750+800 = 1550
75th percentile V and 99th percentile Q gives you (best case) 570+800 = 1370

How can both 1550 and 1370 be 87th percentile?

Two other examples showing you cannot average percentiles on the old GRE:

Let's assume Vox is right and look at the 90th percentile for both Q and V. So imagine someone got 90th percentile Q and 90th percentile V, which would give him a score of 650+790=1540. That would also be 90th percentile averaged.

We'd get:
90th percentile: 1540
87th percentile: 1550

This obviously cannot be right.

Final example:

Imagine getting the opposite result of Peterson, 800Q and 750V. That would put you at 99th percentile for both. So we'd get:

99th percentile: 1550
87th percentile: 1550

This also cannot be right.

The math is in: averaging percentiles on the old GRE format doesn't work. Vox either needs to come up with a really good counterargument or admit he was wrong to average percentiles.

So far, I've seen him argue that "There is a nice computer simulation demonstrating that it's a perfectly valid heuristic, if not precisely accurate."

Which computer simulation? And how does the computer simulation explain the numbers I showed above - i.e. how can a 1550 be both 87th and 99th percentile, how can a 1370 and a 1550 both be 87th percentile etc.

Update: was going through the comments on youtube. It seems I'm not the only one who has pointed out you cannot average percentiles. One of Vox's responses: "A computer programmer has created a nice simulation that graphically demonstrates why you can quite reasonably average percentiles in many cases."

In many cases? OK, that's great, but so not ALL cases. That's a BIG qualifier, considering the old GRE scores may just be one of those exception cases.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 07, 2019 11:51 PM  

^You seriously don't realize that what you're doing isn't averaging percentiles in the first place?

Stay in school.

Blogger The Jester January 08, 2019 11:02 PM  

I asked a girl at a gas station what that could mean. She gave me a confused look before replying "I don't know, maybe emotionally cold?"

Blogger Unknown January 09, 2019 3:47 PM  

i realize these people react like women. wow.

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