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Friday, January 18, 2019

Unauthorized science

We of the Unauthorized Right can take some satisfaction that science is now Unauthorized too:
There is a new article in the New York Times Magazine (Is Ancient DNA Research Revealing New Truths — or Falling Into Old Traps?) , in which some  pinhead repeats  complaints about David Reich crushing his enemies [archaeologists] , driving them before him, and hearing the lamentations of their women.  He doesn’t give them much respect.

They don’t deserve respect. Sure, he has a far more powerful method.  Sequencing DNA gives you billions of bits, orders of magnitude more than staring at potsherds. But it is fair to look at how archaeologists did with the tools they had:  terrible, horrible, no good, very bad.  They really, really wanted to  create detailed stories of local social change, stories that didn’t sound like something by Robert E, Howard, full of thud and blunder. Not stories about barbarian conquest, population replacement, and mating with nonhuman races.

But that’s what happened.

The origin of the Polynesian population out in the Pacific is a classic example.  Even before ancient DNA was sequenced, we knew that ~94% of Tongan mtDNA was from Taiwan, ~75% of their autosomal DNA was also from Taiwan, while their Y-chromosomes were 65% Melanesian. “Until recently, the dominant model was the slow-boat hypothesis, in which the Taiwanese-derived Lapita culture mixed with Melanesians in New Guinea and the Solomons before sailing out into the deep Pacific. The funny numbers for mtDNA and Y-chromosome were explain by some hand-waving matrifocal cultural bullshit. ”

Ridiculous.  Taiwanese were the original settlers, while Melanesians invaded later, conquered, and killed off most of the local men. Confirmed by ancient DNA.
Science vs the SJW Narrative. The Unauthorized Right vs the Authorized Opposition, the Mainstream, and the Converged Left. Truth vs Falsehood. Aristotle vs Plato. Good vs Evil. Jesus Christ vs the prince of this world.

Different battles, same war.

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55 Comments:

Blogger Randomatos January 18, 2019 11:14 AM  

Given all the attacks on DNA researchers, how long before mainstream declares DNA to be a hoax, conspiracy, hate-fact wrong-think creation of evil white men?

Blogger Unknown January 18, 2019 11:17 AM  

See the pillorying of James Watson for further examples of this rejection of science in favor of SJW narrative. The Progressives cannot allow any facts that contradict their narrative to stand, and will quickly seek to discredit those who point out that the SJW narrative has no clothes.

Blogger Matamoros January 18, 2019 11:18 AM  

DNA Science really seems to be upsetting the apple cart. For ex: we now now that Africans are basically unrelated to Europeans (The bonobo genome compared with the chimpanzee and human genomes https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11128), and that Jews are not Semites (DNA Science and the Jewish Bloodline - https://www.amazon.com/Science-Jewish-Bloodline-Texe-Marrs-ebook/dp/B00DUHSHEG ).

I wonder what else we would find out if it were not אסור - verboten.

Blogger S. Misanthrope January 18, 2019 11:25 AM  

I need a #TeamAristotle tshirt.

Blogger The Greay Man January 18, 2019 11:28 AM  

The SJWs love to scream "I was made this way" but the mainstream hasn't had to face the news that "Genes made you sick in the head" yet.

Remember, they fought very hard to say homosexuality was not a choice but a pre-determined genetic condition.

Now it is slowly coming back to haunt them.

Blogger kurt9 January 18, 2019 11:29 AM  

The soft fields, everything from psychology to archeology, have been through and through rotten for a very long time (at least since the 1970's). None of this is of any surprise to me.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 18, 2019 11:31 AM  

The Z man commented on Greg's thread there and hit a point home, the point that has skipped over conservative intellectuals for decades, morality trumps facts. So the next time you think you are going to mansplain something to a woman or a gamma, nothing you say will mean squat till you contest the moral level and diminish their role on the moral high ground.

Blogger Joseph Dooley January 18, 2019 11:34 AM  

Help me here. What is the falseness of Plato? I assume this is a reference to the allegory of the cave, but I've not read up in Greek philosophy beyond that.

Blogger pyrrhus January 18, 2019 11:43 AM  

Greg Cochran has always been a hate-thinker to be cherished, whether it be genetics, anthropology, history, or the general idiocy of academics...

Blogger kurt9 January 18, 2019 11:57 AM  

I agree. Gregory Cochran is great! He is quite funny too.

Blogger eclecticme January 18, 2019 12:00 PM  

For people with interest in such genetic material, Masaman has a youtube channel with short videos. Not political.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1vVNQN-TCy8d3Mb_Owr2Kw
The book A Troublesome Inheritance (Wade) is good and full of thoughtcrime.

A recent Black Pigeon Speaks video is disturbing. AI, facial shapes predict crime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaW3bvsqLjA

Blogger Desdichado January 18, 2019 12:02 PM  

He doesn't give archaeologists and anthropologists enough credit, though. Before they were fettered by the demands of political correctness, they all had it right. Only when they decided that their science was uncomfortably close to Hitler's eugenics and ubermensch ideas did they desperately try to scuttle their models for one that didn't resemble what it had for the whole first half of the 20th century.

Heck, even the linguists have quietly reaffirmed (The Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture, J.P Mallory, D.Q. Adams) that a root word that is ancestral to "Aryan" was probably the name the entire group used to describe themselves at one point, and it's not just related to the Indian and Iranian groups, but has reflexes in the name of Ireland (Eire), the Greek word aristocracy, and more.

Our ancestors had less data to work with than us, but they were pretty sharp, and they had the right answers at a time when they had a ton less data to work with than we do now.

Blogger Johnny January 18, 2019 12:04 PM  

While I retain respect for the idea of science, I have become skeptical that it is possible to have an objective social science area. The problem is that it competes with the domestic culture, and culture wins. Science ends up proving to be true what it is expedient to believe.

Blogger The Cooler January 18, 2019 12:12 PM  

He doesn't give archaeologists and anthropologists enough credit, though. Before they were fettered by the demands of political correctness, they all had it right.

Genetics continues to verify the deductive suppositions of such victims of the Memory Hole as Coon, Deniker, Hooten, Eickstet, Broca, etc. etc.

Blogger Robert What? January 18, 2019 12:13 PM  

What the SJWs don't want to admit is that almost all of history is the history of conquest. It was not just those evil White Christian Europeans. Just make sure you are the conqueror and not the conqueree. Or that you have the societal antibodies to ward off the attackers.

Blogger Silly but True January 18, 2019 12:14 PM  

The damndest top kek would be liberals outlawing DNA science forcing Courts to toss out all of its post-1988 DNA-based acquittals and subsequently be forced to return hundreds of thousands of innocent blacks railroaded by racist whites back to death row.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora January 18, 2019 12:15 PM  

I was always skeptical of the rejection of the Aryan invasion theory because of the etymological relations between Hinduism and Norse mythology plus the similar archetypes present in them as well as ancient near eastern religions. Syncretic mixing with native beliefs is sufficient to explain the differences. I think it's very possible that the Indo-Europeans were the sons of Noah and their pagan beliefs were rooted in stories from before the flood, hence the men of renown.

Blogger urthshu January 18, 2019 12:18 PM  

DNA science is only accurate when you're getting some minority off death row.

Blogger Crew January 18, 2019 12:24 PM  

Ridiculous. Taiwanese were the original settlers, while Melanesians invaded later, conquered, and killed off most of the local men. Confirmed by ancient DNA.

That is likely what the men in those invader caravans from south of the border hope to achieve.

We have to start seriously thinking about how to stop it.

Blogger James Dixon January 18, 2019 12:27 PM  

> I need a #TeamAristotle tshirt.

Make one on Zazzle and put it up for sale. You might make a few bucks.

I doubt they're bright enough to grasp the political implications any time soon.

> Help me here. What is the falseness of Plato?

You have no idea how complicated the answer to that is, do you?

OK, to summarize entire sets of books in layman's terms that are hopelessly oversimplistic:

Plato: We make reality.
Aristotle: Reality makes us.

Blogger FUBARwest January 18, 2019 12:29 PM  

"What is the falseness of Plato?"

To start philosopher-kings are a terrible genocidal idea on it's own. Combine that with almost every totalitarian state sharing that core belief and you can judge it by its fruit.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2019 12:30 PM  

Modern people laugh at those silly ancients who threatened any inquiry that delivered the "wrong answers."

People (in the aggregate) don't change much. Belief comes first, and trumps everything, including ones own lying eyes. As discussed often on this blog, very few people can imagine an actual, honest, open inquiry into ANYTHING that has emotional loading. And most things are emotionally loaded now.

They have "their science," we have "our science." Both believe. Debate, intended to change minds, is a laughably stupid waste of time. Perhaps globalism's greatest product was the democratic despotism about which Tocqueville warned us.

I'm hoping our geographic "divorce" occurs via secession, then with people voluntarily moving to states/regions where their like-minded brethren converge. Of course, the alternative to that is open civil war, winner take all, Sherman's March, the Balkans, Rwanda, etc., etc.

Leftist ideological imperialism isn't done. Hurting others via PC is, as Codevilla wrote, an addictive drug. We all live among those addicts.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 18, 2019 12:35 PM  

Unauthorized Right. I like that.

We do what we must.

That said, when it comes to science, or should I say "scientistry," and its attendant corruption, the current era is ripe for the Neo Galileo to appear, particularly in the realm of climate science.

Blogger Al K. Annossow January 18, 2019 12:35 PM  

"Sequencing DNA gives you billions of bits, orders of magnitude more than staring at potsherds."

I'll go with the DNA stuff - I prefer lab work over kitchen work.

DNA testing can't be totally eliminated. Paternity tests!

Blogger Frank Brady January 18, 2019 12:44 PM  

Randomatos wrote:Given all the attacks on DNA researchers, how long before mainstream declares DNA to be a hoax, conspiracy, hate-fact wrong-think creation of evil white men?

Fred Reed nails it again! See https://fredoneverything.org/the-white-mans-burden-reflections-on-the-custodial-state/

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 18, 2019 12:53 PM  

kurt9 wrote:The soft fields, everything from psychology to archeology, have been through and through rotten for a very long time (at least since the 1970's). None of this is of any surprise to me.

Well to be SLIGHTLY fair, rigorous experimental psycholgy (nee-cognitive science) and rigorous archeology (nee based on artifact comparisions through carbon dating) has some scientific merit.

But yeah, a lot it is pure crap.

Blogger Crew January 18, 2019 12:53 PM  

I'm hoping our geographic "divorce" occurs via secession, then with people voluntarily moving to states/regions where their like-minded brethren converge.

The problem is the freeloading blacks and Hispanics are going to follow you unless you have strong borders.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 18, 2019 1:12 PM  

VD wrote:

Science vs the SJW Narrative. The Unauthorized Right vs the Authorized Opposition, the Mainstream, and the Converged Left. Truth vs Falsehood. Aristotle vs Plato. Good vs Evil. Jesus Christ vs the prince of this world.

Different battles, same war.


For one of these battles on the subject at hand, see Reich's NYT article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

and the response by "soft" academics:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/bfopinion/race-genetics-david-reich

Note the positions and disciplines of the Buzzfeed signers.

Reich is a very interesting character, who has basically sloughed off his internal contradictions.

On the one hand, he is a pure scientist, excited about discovery and will go where the discoveries lead him. If you hear him talk, the excitment, the pure joy of doing what he is doing is palpable. And yes, for those soft sciences he clearly has -- well "contempt" is too strong a word, perhaps a better word is "bemusement" about their unscientific wrongness.

But Reich lives and has to be funded in the PC world of academics so he carefully skirts the uncomfortable truths. And it remains to be seen if, at some point, he decides to suppress the REALLY uncomfortable truths.

Nonetheless, this guy -- and many like him -- will find those truths. Will they see the light of day? Time will tell.

Blogger JD Curtis January 18, 2019 1:19 PM  

Oh yes. I recall reading an article by a gay advocate several years ago who was horrified by this and theorized parents would be inclined to abort a baby that had an identifiable 'gay gene'.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2019 1:28 PM  

@27 apologies for topic-drift, but what is a community but people who tacitly agree to live in certain ways, doing this and refraining from that? And what must exist? A means of keeping out those who want the benefits without actually living in the prescribed, agreed-upon ways...and of mercilessly ejecting those who agreed, but instead choose to act in ways that are contrary to their agreement. [Since collective/social behavior is just as DNA-determined as is eye color, this will have the effect of creating a fair degree of genetic similarity among community members...a kind of big extended family.]

The Left's attack on identity exists largely under the Big Lie that communities of wrongthink will inevitably wage war on their neighbors, so wrongthink must be kept atomized so its adherents can be reeducated and, failing that, exterminated.

This is obvious projection, of course. What could be nicer than a community of people of above-average intelligence, thrift, cooperation and production (AKA people of mostly NW European ancestry) occupying a geography, minding their own business and trading as needed? If said community encourages young men and women to marry and raise families, and informs those who wish to pursue "alternate lifestyles" that they're free to do so, ELSEWHERE, and that those who refuse to abide by social norms regarding violence aren't put in cages to be fed and watered and entertained, but instead are ejected from the community with a literal death sentence if they return...what could be more peaceful and good than that? That if women want to have sex with men with whom they have no mutual desire to form a family, and she is impregnated, that if she chooses to abort the baby that's her prerogative, but she will no longer be part of the community, same as if she seduces a 15 year old boy or decides to take money for sex. People who cannot stop doing things that a specific community refuses to allow are free to do those things WHERE THEY ARE NOT PROSCRIBED. Oh, imagine how nice the world, where communities of people exist under differing rules, and if you really don't like one set of rules you move to find like-minded people with whom to live.

Ain't gonna happen in a world of massive nation-states (I doubt a "community" larger than a few thousand could ever be effectively run.) At 335 million people, the USA is (like countries 1/20th this size) ungovernable. Too much latitude for anonymous evil to gravitate to the executive, judicial and legislative systems.

Blogger Dr Caveman January 18, 2019 1:32 PM  

That's why Watson just got stomped so hard on. He got publicly executed for suggesting that genetics underlie measurable differences in intelligence and IQ.

The message was clear: we'll even go after a geriatric Nobel prize winner, one of the most famous scientists alive, if he strays too far from the narrative.

Freedom of speech and academic freedom, where many different ideas battle it out in a public arena, are only allowed for SJW-approved ideas

Blogger Crew January 18, 2019 1:33 PM  

The Left's attack on identity exists largely under the Big Lie that communities of wrongthink will inevitably wage war on their neighbors, so wrongthink must be kept atomized so its adherents can be reeducated and, failing that, exterminated.

When the definition of wrongthink shifts ...

Blogger Ken Prescott January 18, 2019 1:33 PM  

Remember when they wanted cops to wear body cameras? Now they're starting to claim that body cameras are racist.

Blogger Crew January 18, 2019 1:42 PM  

Looks like Unz.com is under attack by the good thinkers because it is now using CloudFlare ...

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2019 1:45 PM  

The notion that human attributes, including foot-speed, reaction time, intelligence, thrift and behavior (including sanity itself), are coded for by immutable genes in each cell of our bodies is utterly anathema to those who perpetually look at the hand Nature dealt them and want a re-deal.

Happiness is a side-effect of having your expectations for life set at or below what life gives you. This is why all Leftists sound incredibly unhappy.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2019 1:50 PM  

PS: If genes don't code for each and every attribute of who and what each of us is, then from where do "we" come?

Reading a book like Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow or even Barbara Oakley's PNAS Concepts and implications of altruism bias and pathological altruism should lead any thoughtful person to grasp that our brains do not work the way we think they do, and that the hidden engine there is far more complicated than we can imagine.
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/Supplement_2/10408.full.pdf

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 18, 2019 1:52 PM  

how long before mainstream declares DNA to be a hoax, conspiracy, hate-fact wrong-think creation of evil white men?

They could treat it like IQ. All right-thinking people agree that IQ doesn't exist and doesn't matter, while they have their kids IQ tested and read articles about how to improve their IQ because they all know it's critical to success, especially in academics. They could enforce a similar public denial of DNA while the genetic testing industry flourishes because they all want to know their own.

Blogger Al K. Annossow January 18, 2019 2:05 PM  

I'm expecting science to prove unequivocally that Neanderthal DNA causes racism. And by "prove unequivocally" I mean by fiat declaration.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 18, 2019 2:05 PM  

Maybe they have their kids tested, but most people in elite professions rightly fear IQ tests themselves and generally avoid them like the plague. [120 seems to be the sweet spot, which makes most elite professionals high-end midwits, albeit usually with a good work ethic and the ability to tolerate boredom.]

They read articles about gaming the tests, not how to actually increase intelligence (which currently appears as likely as turning out a competitive All-Ashkenazim NBA team.)

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 18, 2019 2:15 PM  

@35: Key insight that. FWIW: The typical leftist is basically a bored, frustrated human being, a marginal member of society to say the least. Leftists are classic losers: Shouldabeens, Couldabeens, Wasonces, and on down the line. Leftists are also ripe fodder for mass movements.

To your point, young men in America now face a similar dynamic. Many are now being forced into increasingly marginal "emasculated" roles by the SJW converged system and its rising corporate cultural oppression. Which of course makes young men ripe for a mass movement.

I do not believe the people running the show properly foresaw the extent to which convergence created a ready supply of young males with less to lose as time goes on. Hello Unauthorized Right!

Which is why people like JBP have stepped forward, or have been pushed forward, to atomize the situation before it's too late.

And remember: Scared establishment is scared.

Blogger James Dixon January 18, 2019 2:20 PM  

> PS: If genes don't code for each and every attribute of who and what each of us is, then from where do "we" come?

A Christian might argue that the soul is not identical to the body and that it carries it's own coding, which can modify or even overrule DNA. I'm not going to try to make that argument, as I consider the matter largely unknowable, but I can see where some might.

Blogger justaguy January 18, 2019 2:27 PM  

Didn't we find out through the Google flap where the engineer naively tried to use logic on SJWs that facts do not matter against the narrative. The NLRB and DOL actually and openly ruled that scientific facts could still be racists! Quoting actual facts didn't excuse racism etc. etc. So when the narrative hits reality-- the powers that be are out there trying to stop the tide and using everything they have to deny inconvenient facts-- they are racists-- don't mention them again.

Blogger CM January 18, 2019 2:48 PM  

Nations are just a social construct, though. /sarc

/*sigh*/

Blogger mark auld January 18, 2019 3:40 PM  

Well said,friend Dixon.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 18, 2019 3:42 PM  

@11
A recent Black Pigeon Speaks video is disturbing. AI, facial shapes predict crime?

Physiognomy is real.

@14
Genetics continues to verify the deductive suppositions of such victims of the Memory Hole as Coon, Deniker, Hooten, Eickstet, Broca, etc. etc

Not really science, but...
Lothrop Stoddard

@30 TL,DR: Hoppe.

@38
Not gonna happen -- because the Tribe has a lot of Neanderthal DNA.

Blogger Mark Stoval January 18, 2019 4:06 PM  

A young fellow in the early 70s was heard to say that if the government funded science, then science would "discover" whatever the government wanted. He figured that the old saying about the guy who paid the piper getting to call the tune was correct.

The problem is that the government of the Empire is controlled by left wing crazies. For example, I wonder if any of the bureaucracy is not a lefty.

Anonymous Anonymous January 18, 2019 4:26 PM  

Back in kiwiland you can see that there were two very distinct cultures among the Maori: the east coasters who were heavy, often overweight, and traditionally cannibals and reavers: and the more central / west coasters who were thinner, healthier, predominantly settlers and farmers.

The physiological patterns are starkly different.

Decades ago, before I knew anything of Vox Day or his thoughts on these points, it was obvious to me that there had been a wave of settlers who were fleeing from the predatory tribes, and a later wave of cannibals following the food like American indians following the buffalo herds.

Or, of course, you can choose to believe the self-serving myths of the current generation of entitlement rent-seekers and self-appointed spokesmen for their people.

Anonymous Anonymous January 18, 2019 4:30 PM  

we'll even go after a geriatric Nobel prize winner, one of the most famous scientists alive, if the narrative strays too far from his previously uncontroversial discoveries.

FTFY.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 18, 2019 4:48 PM  

Crew wrote:Ridiculous. Taiwanese were the original settlers, while Melanesians invaded later, conquered, and killed off most of the local men. Confirmed by ancient DNA.

That is likely what the men in those invader caravans from south of the border hope to achieve.

We have to start seriously thinking about how to stop it.

A-10s and M-109s.

Ken Prescott wrote:Remember when they wanted cops to wear body cameras? Now they're starting to claim that body cameras are racist.
If I was a cop, I'd want a body-camera… plus I'd spring for the equipment to make backups, that way when the data "mysteriously disappears" I can provide the redundancy.
dc.sunsets wrote:PS: If genes don't code for each and every attribute of who and what each of us is, then from where do "we" come?
The problem with this viewpoint is that it is entirely materialistic: if DNA codes "each and every attribute" then there is nothing spiritual about us. OTOH, if DNA is merely a 'blueprint' for the Temple that is our bodies there is a lot that is unspecified and beyond the scope of said blueprint, like the paint-scheme… and, if the DNA is more akin to a meta-blueprint-language then even the specific layouts of the rooms may not be explicitly specified leaving room for variance within the design, which is what we see in humanity-as-a-whole.

Longtime Lurker wrote:To your point, young men in America now face a similar dynamic. Many are now being forced into increasingly marginal "emasculated" roles by the SJW converged system and its rising corporate cultural oppression. Which of course makes young men ripe for a mass movement.

I do not believe the people running the show properly foresaw the extent to which convergence created a ready supply of young males with less to lose as time goes on. Hello Unauthorized Right!

I think it's far more than that: the fighting-aged men are getting ready to fight… they have reason to be scared, because the stage is quite set for The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon. -- I believe this is why they're so desperately trying to demonize/strip masculinity, to isolate, to destroy men: it is their only hope of avoiding finding themselves hanging from the proverbial lamp-post.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 18, 2019 6:31 PM  

@ 49: "I think it's far more than that: the fighting-aged men are getting ready to fight . . ."

If I read you correctly, then the Establishment knows that "fighting-aged men are getting ready to fight."

If that's true, then the situation is even far more dangerous than it would appear. At a minimum, expect Deep State to commence showcase arrests and perp walks of said "fighting-aged men" sooner than later.

Blogger widlast washere January 18, 2019 9:38 PM  

"A Christian might argue that the soul is not identical to the body and that it carries it's own coding, which can modify or even overrule DNA. I'm not going to try to make that argument, as I consider the matter largely unknowable, but I can see where some might."

We Catholics call it grace. Where God, through His kindness, allows traits to be manifest or not manifest for the good of the particular person.

Blogger Bobiojimbo January 19, 2019 3:12 AM  

And we find ourselves in the middle of all of it. Like intelligence officers. Sifting through it all, decrypting it, and passing it along among ourselves to arm us against the enemy.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 19, 2019 6:55 AM  

it was obvious to me that there had been a wave of settlers who were fleeing from the predatory tribes, and a later wave of cannibals following the food like American indians following the buffalo herds.

Something similar was in full swing in the Caribbean right when Cristoforo Colombo showed up with his superior technology to totally rewire the entire situation.

Blogger eclecticme January 19, 2019 5:14 PM  

Some here are interested in science. I learned genetics etc. very long ago. I was surprised to only recently learn of epigenetics. Some traits are inherited but not through DNA sequences. I have no idea if this supports or detracts from anything written here. I mention this for the curious.

From memory: Rats were trained to associate a certain smell with getting shocked. Their kids and grandkids retained the learning.

Blogger eclecticme January 19, 2019 6:51 PM  

@38. Al K. Annossow January 18, 2019 2:05 PM
I'm expecting science to prove unequivocally that Neanderthal DNA causes racism. And by "prove unequivocally" I mean by fiat declaration.


I am expecting science to show that Neanderthal DNA is associated with higher IQ and that fact to be supressed.

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