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Sunday, January 06, 2019

Why Israel is Auschwitz

Much more elegantly than I could have explained it, in The Virtue of Nationalism, Yoram Hazony explains why nationalists and Israelis are intrinsic allies, and why the liberal imperialists of the neo-liberal world order, of every heritage, hate Israel and equate Zionism with Nazism.
In taking up arms in the name of their own national state and their own self-determination, the Jews, as many Europeans and others now see it, have simply taken up the same evil that led Germany to build the camps. The details may differ, but the principle, in their eyes, is the same: Israel is Auschwitz.

Try to see this through European eyes. Imagine being a proud Dutchman today, whose nation held high the torch of freedom in that hopeless uprising against Catholic Spain, a war of independence that lasted eighty years. “Yet I am willing to give this up,” he says to himself, “to sacrifice this heritage with its dreams of past glory, and to say good-bye to the state founded by my forefathers, for the sake of something higher. I will make this painful sacrifice for the sake of an international political union that will ultimately embrace all humanity. Yes, I will do it for humanity.” Yet who is it that stands against him? Who, among the civilized peoples, would dare turn their backs on this effort, blessed by morality and reason, to attain at last the salvation of mankind?

Imagine his shock: “The Jews! Those Jews, who should have been the first to welcome the coming of the new order, the first to welcome the coming of mankind’s salvation, instead establish themselves as its opponents, building up their own selfish little state, at war with the world. How dare they? Must they not make the same sacrifices as I in the name of Enlightenment and reason? Are they so debased they cannot remember their own parents in Auschwitz? No, they cannot remember—for they’ve been seduced and perverted by the same evil that had previously seized our neighbors in Germany. They have gone over to the side of Auschwitz.”

Thus it is not just by coincidence that we constantly hear Israel and its soldiers being compared to the Nazis. We are not talking about just any old calumny, chosen arbitrarily or for its rhetorical value alone. In Europe, and wherever else the new paradigm has spread, the comparison with Nazism, absurd though it may be, is natural and inevitable.

This answers the question of how it can be that, at some very fundamental level, the facts do not seem to matter: How it can be that even where Israel should easily be recognized as having justice on its side—where it acts in self-defense, and with painstaking restraint—the country can be pilloried in campaigns of vilification that bite deeper and hit harder with every passing year. How it can be that after the destruction of the Israeli security zone in South Lebanon, and after Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the hatred of Israel only grows more full-throated.

The answer is that while hatred for Israel may, at a given moment, be focused quite sincerely on certain facts about the security zone or the Gaza Strip or the Turkish blockade runners, the trajectory of international disgust or hatred for Israel is not driven by these facts. It is driven by the rapid advance of a new paradigm that understands Israel, and especially the independent Israeli use of force to defend itself, as illegitimate down to its foundations. If you believe that Israel is, in some important sense, a variant of Nazism, then you will not be very impressed by “improvements” in Israeli policies or public relations. An improved Auschwitz is still Auschwitz.

One may well ask: If this is right, and the comparison between Israel and the most odious political movement in European history is hardwired into the new paradigm of international politics that is quickly advancing upon us, then will not individuals who subscribe to this paradigm reach the conclusion that Israel has no right to exist and should be dismantled?

The answer to this question is plain. Of course this comparison leads to the conclusion that Israel has no right to exist and should be dismantled. And why not? If Germany and France have no right to exist as independent states, why should Israel? And if so many are prepared to remain dry-eyed on the day that Britain and the Netherlands are finally gone, why should they feel differently about Israel? On the contrary, while Jews and their friends continue to speak in dread of “Israel’s destruction,” this phrase is no longer feared among those who have embraced the new paradigm—some of whom are already permitting themselves to fantasize in public about political arrangements that will permit the Jewish state to cease to exist.
The logic is perfectly straightforward and clear. If Israel has the right to exist, so does Germany, France, England, the Netherlands, and America. If the European nations do not have the right to exist, sovereign and secure in their own homelands, neither does Israel.

This is why there is no longer a place for Neo-Palestinian supremacists like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager among the nationalists of Israel or the USA. Philosemites and Christian Zionists would be very well advised to reject those deceptive wormtongues and pay attention to Israeli nationalists like Hazony, Feiglin, and van Creveld instead.

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64 Comments:

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2019 11:35 AM  

The current European assumptions about the character of the world they live in are not realistic, thus the Europeans are running on magical thinking. Or perhaps it should be called wishful thinking. Love or hate Israel, all they are doing is what everybody else did in an earlier period. Territory currently held was gained at first by right of conquest. The longer it is held the more it seems like the people who occupy it should have it. Thus legitimacy.

Blogger michimartini January 06, 2019 11:49 AM  

Yes, and it is technically a re-conquest. So, all the more legitimate.

Blogger Stilicho January 06, 2019 11:50 AM  

And remember: pan-european imperialism, pan-han imperialism, and pan-global imperialism bear no resemblance to pan-german imperialism. Not no how, not no way. Question not the Narrative!

Blogger dienw January 06, 2019 12:05 PM  

michimartini wrote:Yes, and it is technically a re-conquest. So, all the more legitimate.

If the Ashkenazim want a a "legitimate reconquest," let them return to the Caucuses from which they sprang.

Blogger Avalanche January 06, 2019 12:07 PM  

"If Israel has the right to exist, so does Germany, France, England, the Netherlands, and America"

Except in the eyes of so many jews in these Western countries, who are leading the destruction of these White Western countries.

How is this view not just another case of "I know a good one"? Part of the tribe thinks "it's bad, what they (my people!) are doing out there," but they do little to stop the rest of their tribe from their destruction.

Perhaps the jews IN israel are nationalists for their own people, but their very active agents across the world are way more destructive than any other 'vermin' swamping the White Western world!

And those agents are supported, or at least not noticeably objected to, by the jews in israel. Van Crevald and other "good" jews (and there it is, eh?) may speak out against what's being done outside "in their name," but that helps us how?

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 12:26 PM  

Yes, and it is technically a re-conquest. So, all the more legitimate.

Not really. There is no serious genetic evidence concerning that specific area of which I am aware and they're less than half-Levantine in general. They probably have a better claim to Napoli.

How is this view not just another case of "I know a good one"?

Because there is a whole freaking country of them, Avalanche. Get off your ridiculous Nazi soapbox once and for all and learn to stop thinking in binary. Hazgony has just made a much stronger case for nationalism than all the idiot Alt-Retards and Nazi LARPers combined ever managed to accomplish.

How does it help us that you whine and cry about the Jews all the time? Has it stopped one single "bad Jew" from doing anything ever? What are you hoping to accomplish by undermining Hazgony?

Blogger David The Good January 06, 2019 12:29 PM  

Good analysis.

Blogger Shimshon January 06, 2019 12:30 PM  

Vox, perhaps this is an ongoing senior moment, but it is Yoram Hazony. Proof:

http://www.yoramhazony.org/

Or maybe it's the Berenstain Effect?

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 12:32 PM  

No, I just didn't bother looking it up. You are correct.

Blogger JG January 06, 2019 12:53 PM  

“This book by Yoram Hazony is fantastic.”
— Ben Shapiro, Editor of The Daily Wire and author of The Establishment is Dead

Wonder if the Littlest Chickenhawk actually read (and understood) the book.

Anonymous Anonymous January 06, 2019 12:58 PM  

"blessed by reason and morality"???

Who could possibly oppose THAT?

Such a one would probably rape Mom and burn the apple pie, too.

Blogger dvdivx January 06, 2019 12:59 PM  

Churchians have made an idol out of Jews thanks to dispensationalism and refuse to see most of them are the servants of Satan Jesus talked about. THe Scofield Bible would be an example of a perversion of the faith.

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 1:00 PM  

Wonder if the Littlest Chickenhawk actually read (and understood) the book.

The odds are slim.

Blogger Jack Amok January 06, 2019 1:08 PM  

Nazi Germany is just the excuse Globalists use to justify their transnational power grab. If nobody had ever flung a single seig heil to Hitler, they'd be using British treatment of the Micks or French treatment of Algerians or Spanish treatment of everybody to justify the need to dissolve nationhood.

They want to run the western world and establish themselves as the new nobility. Peasants setting up their own nations - in Europe, the NE, or North America, just can't be allowed. The only way a parasite-riddled host can survive is if it doesn't have competition from parasite-free rivals.

Blogger van helsing January 06, 2019 1:41 PM  

we are still forced to fund israel and supply them with intel and otehr goodies far in excess of any other country, and maybe just till now, bodies to fight their wars. they are just another welfare case, not an ally.

Blogger Mark Mitchell January 06, 2019 1:55 PM  

True, but the Left (a) compares everything it doesn't like to the 3rd Reich and (b) being pussies, would prefer to whale on Israel rather than notice their angel George Soros is merely the Rothschild's catspaw, which would have unpleasant implications for their eschatology in re the end stage of identity trumping economics. I personally think Hazony is late to the party - the "the new paradigm of international politics that is quickly advancing upon us" is (ethno) nationalism, as John Ralston Saul pointed out over a decade ago, along with a few other bloggers, as I recall.

Blogger A. Carrick Bend January 06, 2019 2:16 PM  

So, a Presbyterian gets a book written by a Zionist as a Christmas gift; talk about celebrating diversity. An interesting read, but not without its biases and omissions. I agree, with Hazony, that Israel has the right to exist as an independent, ethnic Jewish nation. On the closing page of the book, however, one finds this irony, "True moral authority is attained only when we stand on our own feet, learning to govern ourselves and defend ourselves without needlessly harming those around us, and where possible also extending assistance to neighbors and friends." Israel, thus, as a nation has not achieved moral maturity as it exists and continues to exist largely because of untold billions of dollars in U. S. foreign and military aid. I hope Hazony acknowledges this reality even though I do not recall him mentioning it in his work.

Blogger Lazarus January 06, 2019 2:32 PM  

A. Carrick Bend wrote:Israel, thus, as a nation has not achieved moral maturity as it exists and continues to exist largely because of untold billions of dollars in U. S. foreign and military aid.

Mere mythology.


Feiglin sez:

Furthermore, American aid “is not in our favor, not economically, not militarily, not in any way,” the MK told the magazine’s Alex Newman. (He gave the interview last month in the Knesset, but it only appeared on Monday.) “This aid serves psychological purposes, not anything else. We are talking about 1.5 percent of our income, of what Israel is producing — we can definitely deal without it.”

I don't think 1.5% , most of which goes to American arms manufacturers and U. S. politicians is an existential matter.

Blogger Solon January 06, 2019 3:02 PM  

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Blogger tz January 06, 2019 3:09 PM  

Israel wants to keep all the Jews behind a wall with armed soldiers patroling those walls.

Blogger Solon January 06, 2019 3:12 PM  

(((Wikipedia))) sez the Israeli GDP is about 370 billion. The US giving 38 billion for defense then is NOT 1.5%, it's more than 10%. That is ABSOLUTELY an existential matter.

This is, of course, ignoring the other funds and aid we give to them, which is suspected of being in the hundreds of billions, and that American taxpayers never really hear about.

Did you want to discuss the stereotype of "you know a Jew is lying because his lips are moving," or is that enough?

Get out of here with your claims of "mere mythology," you charlatan.

Blogger IreneAthena January 06, 2019 3:32 PM  

I can see that mainly globalist Jews—rather than Israeli nationalists—have US politicians in a vise-grip, and so discussion of their influence on US policy should be separate from Israeli nationalism.

Are there any non-Israeli criticisms of nationalistic Israelis (e.g. its treatment of Palestinians in West Bank or Gaza) that are consistent with a nationalistic viewpoint? Even if one determines that US citizens cannot make such criticisms and justify living on territory forcibly removed from Indians, aren’t the continuing Jewish settlements in these regions similar to the USG going into Indian reservations today and declaring, “we’ve changed our minds. We want this parcel back, and that parcel back...” I

Blogger English Tom January 06, 2019 3:34 PM  

Let's not forget that Israeli NGO's are ferrying muds into Europe at a prodigious rate, and earning top shekels while they do it. Why is this acceptable? And what does it say about Israel's views on goyische nationalism?

Blogger English Tom January 06, 2019 3:36 PM  

Thank you Avalanche.

Blogger FUBARwest January 06, 2019 3:46 PM  

Gonna pick up the book. Very surprised Prager and Shapiro praised it. In group preference through and through.

Blogger Jew613 January 06, 2019 3:47 PM  

370 billion GDP per year. 38 billion in aid over 10 years, so 3.8 billion per year. Just over 1% annually this is not complicated math.

Blogger Solon January 06, 2019 3:51 PM  

There are plenty of Alt-Retards and NaziLARPers out there whose only objective seems to be to gas Jews wherever they may be found, yes, but there are also many favorable to the National Socialist political views that respect and understand the concept of Jews wanting a homeland for themselves.

As regards Avalanche, I just don't see it that she's "whining about the Jews." Is it whining if she, rightfully, points out that the diaspora Jews are leeching white Western countries dry and sending the wealth off to Israel, or is she raising a legitimate grievance in regards to nationalist views?

I'm sure there are many Israeli Jews who are indeed nationalist, and want to support their country above any others, but what Hazony is decrying is the behavior of diaspora Jewry, and their tendency to treat Israel, not as a homeland, but as a fortress to retreat to once the jig is up and their host nations have either been bled dry or taken steps to remove the parasites.

Obviously, this behavior is exactly the sort of thing that is going to see Israel wiped off the map. Hazony, as a nationalist Israeli, doesn't want this to happen. Equally obvious is that Avalanche doesn't want her nation to be parasitized by the diaspora. In that regard, Avalanche is not undermining Hazony at all, rather, they seem to have a distinct understanding of each other's views: both decrying the actions of the parasites that undermine their nations.

It is my belief that Avalanche's "whining" is, rather, a protestation against the diaspora Jews, and not Jews in general. This protestation, if one is a nationalist, is worthy of more consideration than hand-waving it away as "whining."

Now, yes, she does denounce the Israelis who, by not opposing the diaspora parasitism, allow it, or encourage it, but one could argue that those Israelis are not Nationalists, but globalist Zionist "diaspora" who just happen to live in Israel. There are many Jews, like Hazony, who are smart enough to read the writing on the wall and predict that this leeching will not stand and the fires of nationalism will eventually spread to engulf Israel in an actual Holocaust. But many of them are self-centered and arrogant, and believe that they'll rule the world. These are the ones who will end up getting ALL Jews exterminated, if only through guilt by association, these are the ones railed against by Avalanche, and these are the ones who Havony is bemoaning.

You say Avalanche is undermining Havony. I believe they are actually in agreeance.

Blogger Ronin F9 January 06, 2019 4:00 PM  

dienw wrote:If the Ashkenazim want a a "legitimate reconquest," let them return to the Caucuses from which they sprang.

Before that they should return to Edom and Babylon.

Blogger Solon January 06, 2019 4:04 PM  

Depends on if said non-israeli criticisms view Israel as legitimate.

If legitimate, than it's perfectly acceptable to permit or even celebrate the Jewish forced displacement of Palestinians: not their (the Palestinians) country, so they have no say in whether the nation that actually owns the territory wants them there or not, or how it deals with them.

If Israel is viewed as NOT legitimate, then what they are doing is imperialistic genocide. They are invaders exterminating the local population, and is clearly an affront to all moral sensibilities.

Those nationalists who criticize Israel for their treatment of Palestinians do not view Israel as a legitimate country, but rather that it is (or should be) owned by the Palestinians, and so their views are completely in accordance with nationalist viewpoints.

Blogger C-Speaks January 06, 2019 4:08 PM  

Interesting that Prager was promoting this book. Ironic too, as he probably didn't read it by the looks of it.

Blogger Gen. Kong January 06, 2019 4:13 PM  

@Avalanche. There are real nationalists in Israel but I think it's a error to conflate the present regime there with them. The Netanyahu regime is ultimately Jewish supremacist and globalist by nature. Yes it panders to resident nationalists but its foreign policy in Syria and the meddling in places as far as Georgia and Ukraine tell another tale. Another complication (alluded to by VD with the curious term "Neo-Palestinian supremacists") are the globalist Jews like Shapiro et al who ardently support the Israeli state but largely refuse to live there. That doesn't mean they're not present in Israel though. Likud and Netanyahu have more in common with Shapiro and Kristol than with Hazony. If Hazony, Feiglin, and van Creveld are legitimate nationalists, which they appear to be from what I've seen of their statements, it makes much sense they would be less than thrilled about all the US aid. Likewise one would expect them to oppose things like we saw in Texas recently where residents must sign a loyalty oath to a foreign state (Israel) to do business with Texas (or even receive emergency aid for a natural disaster). Such BDS laws have been enacted in something like 17 or 18 states and proposed in numerous others, plus a number of countries (chiefly in the EUSSR). They are pushed and supported heavily by Jews of all stripes - SJWs and Neo-Trotskyites alike - not to mention the moronic heretics who call themselves Christians as they worship their Judeo-Christ idol. There is a certain truth to the remark that 98% of them make the other 2% look bad but the split is likely less lopsided in Israel than elsewhere. Those with 'skin in the game' in Israel who are not wedded to Talmudic supremacist notions of world-conquest would be more likely to take a nationalist view.

Blogger IreneAthena January 06, 2019 5:28 PM  

Solon, there is another option though: the one where one sees Israel’s nationhood as legitimate as (or “no less legitimate than” might be a better way to put it) the USA’s nationhood vis-a-vis the immoral ways it gained its territory AND simultaneously sees the ongoing displacement of Palestinians as unfair... and the question I have for people in this category is: what should the US do about injustice against Palestinians?

Solon, do you think USA is a legitimate nation, given its treatment of Indians? Do you believe as I do, that (1) the USA committed genocide against the Indians and (2) the US citizens living on former Indian territory had nothing to do with that genocide, so taking their land back and giving it back to the remnants of that Indian genocide would just be replacing one theft with another? and (3) Instead of vainly trying to unscramble the scrambled eggs of past generations’ genocide-enabled land acquisition, those who care about acting morally should focus on avoiding even indirect participation in genocide of people alive today? 1,2 and/or 3? Any of them?

I wonder if the best way to approach the suffering of Palestinians today — those in Israel as well as Arabs in other countries — is to stop taking sides, stop supporting with our guns, guts and bucks conflicts Jews (globalist or the curious quasi-nationalist admixtures)strong-arm us into involving ourselves in? And then we let the Palestinians and Jews within israel’s borders work it out for themselves? Who would have thought that by backing away from the Koreas (whilst still maintaining a tough stance of “don’t even think of attacking US soil”) the
US would observe N. & S. Koreans working it out themselves.

As individuals we can participate in BDS ( and how DARE our government let Israel arrange for laws forbidding us to do so???) however the indidual’s money may be more effectively an instrument for peace if it is spent in supporting local conflict resolution of and BY Israeli Jews and Israeli Palestinians (the Musalaha organization is an example.)

Blogger LES January 06, 2019 5:31 PM  

If the neo-Judeans who are not real Hebrews are entitled to any land it should be limited to the former Kingdom of Judah. It should be called Judea not Israel. The modern, secular state that calls itself Israel is not the Israel descended from Jacob in the Bible.

Blogger LES January 06, 2019 5:44 PM  

Ancient Kingdoms of Israel & Judah

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 5:58 PM  

Is it whining if she, rightfully, points out that the diaspora Jews are leeching white Western countries dry and sending the wealth off to Israel.

Yes, especially when she chooses to point out something that EVERYONE HERE ALREADY KNOWS, for the Nth time, in order to try to poison the well with regards to Hazony.

Seriously, have none of you ever read Sun Tzu? Do you think the way to win is to attack literally everyone who isn't you? And do you not understand that if you don't leave an opponent anywhere to retreat, you guarantee that they will always be at your throat?

This really isn't that hard.

what should the US do about injustice against Palestinians?

Exactly what Israel is doing about injustice against American Indians.

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 6:01 PM  

The Netanyahu regime is ultimately Jewish supremacist and globalist by nature. Yes it panders to resident nationalists but its foreign policy in Syria and the meddling in places as far as Georgia and Ukraine tell another tale.

Agreed. But it is rational enough that it will back off that policy once it understands that it is more dangerous than beneficial.

Blogger Jew613 January 06, 2019 6:15 PM  

Another project of Hazony's that is bearing fruit is the Shalem Center, which exists to create a new generation of scholars filled with National Pride. They've gotten a lot of good done already.

Would there be a point to similar project in Europe & America?

Vox, Rabbi Yehuda Tzvi Kook zt'l, for whom Hazony has great respect, used to say as the English have the right to England, and the French have the right to France, so to do we have the right to Eretz Yisrael.

Blogger VII January 06, 2019 6:22 PM  

It’s very hard to embrace the Jewish Nationalist idea when in parallel Israel regularly acts in the stereotypical manor we’ve come to expect.

https://www.jns.org/israel-to-officially-demand-250-billion-from-arab-countries-which-expelled-jews/

So many lies and so much hypocracy, like the big lie that Jews in Israel were just taking their home back.

Blogger IreneAthena January 06, 2019 7:08 PM  

>> what should the US do about injustice against Palestinians?

>>Exactly what Israel is doing about injustice against American
>>Indians.

You'd know better than I, but I was not aware that American Indians are currently suffering injustice at the hands of the USG. (If so, just say the word!) No one can do anything to undo 80+ year-old injustices against either American Indians or Palestinians, but what should the US do about current injustice to Palestinians, or do you consider ongoing Jewish settlements settlements in Palestinian territory an injustice?

In @32, even with the window on the time-line shifted to the present day, my answer for appropriate response for the USG is like yours: do nothing, stay out of Israel's domestic and world-wide conflicts completely.

But An individual US citizen should have the right to participate in BDS (AIPAC's pressure to create laws forbidding that option to US citizens be damned!) although there are more effective responses.

A peaceful solution to unrest can happen when the perspectives of both (or all) parties are understood and discussed in mediation. Apparently Havony's book is presenting the Jewish case. Brother Andrew wrote something similar in defense of Palestinian Christians (Caught in the Crossfire) years ago (I recommended it to all the stand-behind-Israel-right-or-wrong Christians I knew at the time.) I look forward to seeing what can be accomplished if Isrealis interact without US ratcheting up the violence.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 06, 2019 7:54 PM  

@Haxo Angmark

Are you familiar with the computer trespassing laws which now exist in every civilized nation on the planet?

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 7:55 PM  

Knock it off, David. Your harassment of this site has been noted and is being recorded.

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 7:56 PM  

I was not aware that American Indians are currently suffering injustice at the hands of the USG.

They most certainly are. The USG is blatantly failing to live up to scores of its existing treaties with existing Indian nations.

Blogger Robert What? January 06, 2019 7:59 PM  

The problem is that most Jews are strict nationalists when it comes to Israel, and want open borders for Europe and the US.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 06, 2019 8:02 PM  

@41

"But An individual US citizen should have the right to participate in BDS (AIPAC's pressure to create laws forbidding that option to US citizens be damned!) although there are more effective responses."

Any lawmaker who voted in favor of any law which is found unconstitutional within 10 years of it's passage shall be put to death, whether still in office or having left the federal legislature. The Supreme Court's decision on the matter IS constitutes the trial of those Representatives and Lawmakers in question.

For those who feel that the justices on the Supreme Court might decide to play partisan politics, and rule against a law purely on (supposedly non-existant) partisan grounds -- that is the sort of thing the 2nd Amendment exists for.

Rights violations should be taken far more seriously than they are, as they constitute warfare by the government against the people.

Blogger Lazarus January 06, 2019 8:04 PM  

Solon wrote:(((Wikipedia))) sez the Israeli GDP is about 370 billion. The US giving 38 billion for defense then is NOT 1.5%, it's more than 10%. That is ABSOLUTELY an existential matter.

This is, of course, ignoring the other funds and aid we give to them, which is suspected of being in the hundreds of billions, and that American taxpayers never really hear about.

Did you want to discuss the stereotype of "you know a Jew is lying because his lips are moving," or is that enough?

Get out of here with your claims of "mere mythology," you charlatan.


Solon , dude, your numbers are wrong. Its not 38 billion per year. It is 3.8 billion per year.

The other hundreds of billions are a construct of your imagination, unless you can sauce it,

moron.

Blogger VD January 06, 2019 8:17 PM  

The problem is that most Jews are strict nationalists when it comes to Israel, and want open borders for Europe and the US.

Yes, they're stupid imperialists. The sooner they are convinced that imperialism is not even remotely in their interest, the better.

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2019 8:45 PM  

>>what should the US do about injustice against Palestinians?

The old-fashioned method would be to eliminate the problem by killing them off. Or the more recent European solution: Treat them so bad that most of them die, thus reducing the size of the problem. It should be done incompetently so it is not an obvious genocide program. Then for appearance sake, rescue a few at the end. As for how this works out, see the early penal colonies in Australia, or how the Russians treated their German prisoners in WWII. Hitler’s mistake with the Jews was doing it in an obvious and calculating way.

There is a certain level of nuttiness to so much of the stuff we do now. Now we or somebody sets up a refugee camp. So long as they stay in the camp behavior expectations are minimal. And with lots of idle time the females raise large families at somebody else’s expense, thus ballooning up the population as time goes on, and further aggravating the situation.

For those who favor humane treatment I think this is nice for now and destined to end badly. In Palestine I imagine one side or the other is going to really catch hell. And we will see about Europe with their crazy open border policies.

What government does is to allow generosity at somebody else’s expense, and a lot of people fancy that. That breeds unrealistic expectations and unhappy outcomes.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 06, 2019 8:56 PM  

Now, I would not suggest such an Amendment punishing Congress if the legislature did not consist of a group of people whom 90% of them have both law degrees and have passed the bar exam, and have a law license in at least one state.

The Constitution was written for a population consisting mostly of farmers with a about a 4th grade education. If a man or woman with a law degree can't figure out the boundaries of government power, and the extent of the people's rights, as defined in the Constitution... AND parades himself as someone who should be making laws by which the government controls the rest of us... execution of such individuals should really be a no-brainer.

If an Article V Convention of the States ever happens, lets make sure that such an amendment proposal is put before the Convention.

The history of prohibition is clear -- the federal legislature did not always consider themselves to be omnipotent and empowered to pass any law just because "it sounds like a good idea". They recognized that the federal government had no authority to pass such a law, and so first ratified such an amendment in both houses, and then sent it on to the state legislatures to complete the amendment process.
And the 21st Amendment recognizes that not only did a later Congress realize that it was a complete screw up to obtain such power, but that they specifically decided to renounce just the statute law implementing prohibition, but also, to specifically prohibit any FUTURE Congress from enacting any similar laws regarding the prohibition of alcohol.

Compare that with "The War on Drugs."

No Constitutional Amendment was ever ratified for even the purpose of forming the FDA, let alone giving it police powers, with armed officers, let alone the DEA, which is purely a police agency, whose sole jurisdiction ("contraband") appears NOWHERE in the powers delegated to the Federal Government in the first place.

And alcohol prohibition didn't go as far the DEA. The 18th Amendment did NOT outlaw the consumption of alcohol. There were several restaurants in NYC which continued to serve alcohol, legally, throughout the duration -- they had substantial wine cellars, and before the federal statutes took effect (which prohibited only the sale and transport of alcohol), transferred large amounts of their own wines to these restaurants... or alternatively, purchased large lots of the wine already on hand, before the law took effect. The restaurants then delineated the separate holding of those customers whose wine and spirits were kept on the premises.

Nancy Reagan was right. The solution isn't a war on the people, the solution is "just say 'No'", and don't imbibe if you don't like it. I would rather see a law which (post sentencing phase) automatically triples the punishment for any crime committed while (voluntarily) intoxicated at the time of the crime.

This would solve the "drugs cause crime" argument -- punish the crimes, not the intoxicant. And for those who are prone to committing crimes while intoxicated -- throw the book at them for the crimes actually committed (under the theory that if they believe "I can handle it", the 3x punishment kills it.)

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2019 9:15 PM  

>>the solution is "just say 'No'...

The core problem is that people want to be free to do whatever they want to do, and then when it doesn't work out, they want somebody else to be burdened with fixing it. It is the separation of control and responsibility.

Back when we were more free than we are now, it was acceptable to exclude from respectable society the bad actors. The terminal drunk would end up dying of exposure when winter moved in. Throwing them in jail or forcing them into a shelter is once again taking responsibility for their behavior. One way or the other. Presume the right to regiment the population with enforced rules, or let people live out the consequences of their own behavior.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 06, 2019 9:26 PM  

@39

"You'd know better than I, but I was not aware that American Indians are currently suffering injustice at the hands of the USG. (If so, just say the word!)"

I'm not an American Indian, but I can tell you that the treaties with the various tribes are still not upheld very well, even the Bureau of Indian Affairs' supposed reason for being and primary mission is compliance with those treaties.

And it's not just the federal government, either.

Take Michigan, for example.
A treaty was formed in the early 1800's, before Michigan became a state, concerning the founding of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. The Treaty grants a full tuition waiver to any member of a tribe who wishes to go attend classes at the University of Michigan.

You would think then, that U of M would be a mecca for tribe members in Michigan seeking higher education. But various roadblocks are in place to keep most from being admitted.

About the only terms of those treaties which are actually honored are the fishing and hunting rights. I know a man who has documented tribal membership. Tribal ID card and everything. Instead of attending U of M, he attended Ferris State University -- which meant he paid for his own tuition. The only benefits of that treaty which he actually enjoys is he can hunt game whenever he wants to, and he can fish using any means he desires (for example, gill netting is illegal in Michigan for everybody else), and he doesn't need buy any hunting or fishing licenses. Oh, and he's entitled to state run EBT food benefits without any sort of means testing. He mostly uses that to obtain food which he prepares and feeds some financially struggling neighbors at cookouts in his backyard.

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2019 9:59 PM  

I believe that in theory most or all tribal territories are supposed to be independent nations. As treaties with foreign governments do not have recourse to our legal system, our compliance with the treaty rights is voluntary. Thus going strictly by the rules, the tribal people should not have access to our legal system to enforce treaty rights. But what the hell, they do anyway. That sets up a situation were judges often get to make policy because it is all kind of legally vague.

Here in Wisconsin the tribal people have the legal right to hunt and fish anywhere and at any time. But trespassing on private land is so contentious that they don't usually do it. Except for a while they did, and it produced dangerous confrontations. The remarkable thing is that nobody got killed.

Blogger Jack Amok January 06, 2019 10:07 PM  

what should the US do about injustice against Palestinians?

Send all the Palestinians and their supporters in the US back to the Muddle East so they can address the problem at it's source?

Blogger IreneAthena January 06, 2019 10:47 PM  

Johnny, your means of dealing with occupied people strike me as needlessly harsh, but I don’t know of any routes toward compromises that I’m *sure* would work to avoid violent uprisings. At least some quixotic subset of the population should be out there exploring where those routes might lead.

VD and Dirk Manley, Wow, I had no idea that the US continues to break promises to the American Indians. I vaguely remember a year or so when the book “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” was a hot topic of discussion, but the outrage simmered down pretty quickly.

Speaking of Prohibition, I wonder if its timing had something to do with the reason the American Indians have been easier for the USG to “keep down” than the Palestinians have been for Israel. The Israeli Jews introduced no new addictive substances (or diseases) to the Palestinians, but the introduction of alcohol, the Veil of Tears, the project where Indian kids were put in boarding schools to kill-the-Indian-but-save-the-man, all added up to a situation where much of the American Indian population was too demoralized to organize and rise up. Prohibition of alcohol wasn’t tried until this process was complete.

And maybe alcohol was allowed to flow freely on the Rez during the altogether rotten and misbegotten plan of Prohibition. I don’t know.

Blogger braq January 06, 2019 11:12 PM  

The Germans and French (and other European ethnic groups) may logically assert a "right" to exist on the land of their ancestors - if they can hold it. Ashkenazi "Israelis" can lay no such claim to the Levant.

Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is a false analogy. Israel is more like British Colonial India, or South Africa under apartheid, or arguably the US - a group of European foreigners who arrived with a concerted plan to remove/rule the local population by force, and claiming the land as theirs at gunpoint.

Israel was founded as the last white (-ish) European colonial project, riding on the coattails of WW2 (and planned prior to WW1). Pretending it is something else is sophistry.

Blogger Unknown January 06, 2019 11:36 PM  

Too many of them view Israel's nationalism as a different beast. The Chosen Onesies are allowed a nation as their elites will be put there by God. The unwashed gentiles merely have squabbling equestrianites or worse, the unwashed deplorables participate in electing them. Unlike the heathen nations merely worshipping the State they created, the Chosen Onesies are a holy nation carrying out the will of God. A kingdom of priests! They alone sanctioned by God! What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander.

Blogger Johnny January 07, 2019 12:52 AM  

>>- a group of European foreigners who arrived with a concerted plan to remove/rule the local population by force, and claiming the land as theirs at gunpoint.

The actual interaction between us Europeans and the natives was much more varied than what you are thinking about. The Spanish were pretty much only about conquest, followed by an effort to set up a feudal type system with religious conversion and the natives as workers. Or outright slavery among the most aggressive. The French in Canada were not very numerous and integrated with the natives a lot. Mainly into trade I think.

The people from the British Isles generally though in terms of displacing the natives and usually would buy them off at first. The Indian tribes were very loosely organized and the whole treaty concept was a white man's thing. It imagined a society that was much more organized than were the natives. Treaty violations came from both sides and the warfare usually arose from specific events. And as the whites became more numerous and powerful, it was the natives who suffered from the lack of much in the way of a mutual understanding.

Indian warfare was in the style of what we now call terrorism. Often the outcome was for the Europeans to respond with wholesale warfare and drive the natives off. And then there would be another treaty. Toward the end I think just about everybody on both sides figured out that the treaties were just a formality. It bought off white guilt and the natives would attend for the handouts.

Blogger Shimshon January 07, 2019 1:25 AM  

If you're complaining about aid to Israel and X, it's clear your problem isn't the aid.

Like Vox says, get over it. Whatever it is, it is NOT your problem. Do you want Jews to shut up about (and, might I, parenthetically, add, stop getting involved in) you and your problems? Enough said.

And frankly, I'm happy to be the recipient of such criticism. Bring it on. That, rather than noble defeat, good sir. (Or, m'lady, as the case may be.)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 07, 2019 8:25 AM  

White conservatives do not, will not and perhaps have a genetically based inability to negotiate. Oh we can ball and bray about "muh principles" like we are the next Martin Luther or hayseed Gantry but actually acting Trumpian and staking out a negotiating position "Why I declah I am a man of principle, blah, blah, blah."

To even begin to bargain about supporting Israel I want delivered a select fire Galil with folding stock, a converted MG-42 and a couple of hotties from the Chicks of the IDF calender shoot, if not they can fook off and eat a bag of Arab Ds.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia January 07, 2019 9:34 AM  

VD wrote:The Netanyahu regime is ultimately Jewish supremacist and globalist by nature. Yes it panders to resident nationalists but its foreign policy in Syria and the meddling in places as far as Georgia and Ukraine tell another tale.

Agreed. But it is rational enough that it will back off that policy once it understands that it is more dangerous than beneficial.


Say what one will about Netanyahu, he knows how to calculate.

Israel has to be "globalist" to a certain degree out of necessity -- with two reasons driving that posture: it's small and it has many enemies.

Blogger Bernardo Tavares January 07, 2019 11:07 AM  

My question is: we do know that the islamic wants to make all the world submit to it, not be necessity but by principle.
The jewish religion and culture, if they had their own land and no hostility towards them, would they still be globalist? Is globalism a principle of jewish culture?

Blogger Tars Tarkusz January 07, 2019 11:27 AM  

What Jews do or want should be as relevant to my life as what Nigerians do or want. The problem is not that we have to deal with good or bad Jews, it's that we have to deal with them at all. They are a foreign people who see themselves as a foreign people who are working together against American and European interests.

Of course, it is framed as Jews dindu nuffin. Everything they have ever done or do now is righteous and quite reasonable. Jews have no moral failings. Any criticism of any Jew or group of Jews is really just an irrational hatred stemming from mental illness apparently widespread in the Goyum. If Americans ever turn on the Jews, they will bitch and moan that yet another people suffered a psychotic breakdown for no reason whatsoever.

Blogger Dirk Manly January 07, 2019 12:36 PM  

What must be done... is not what the Germans did.. documenting the German response.

What must be done is documenting WHY we will respond the way we do. And put out press releases (via our embassies) in, at the very least, the leading newspaper in the capital of every country in the world. So that it becomes part of the worldwide historical record.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 13, 2019 10:36 AM  

The logic is perfectly straightforward and clear. If Israel has the right to exist, so does Germany, France, England, the Netherlands, and America.

As long as they obey the Noahide laws, of course...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey January 13, 2019 10:42 AM  

@18
I don't think 1.5% , most of which goes to American arms manufacturers...

Ah, the old "But it's NOT welfare -- because it's FOOD STAMPS! Aid in kind, not cash!" argument.

How's that one been working out for ya?

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