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Sunday, February 17, 2019

A cause that unites

I think most of the human race is solidly behind the idea of Ricky Gervais's assisted suicide:
Comedian Ricky Gervais, 57, says he in favour of assisted suicide as he launches new Netflix series about death and grief. He has notoriously joked about the most controversial of subjects – but Ricky Gervais is deadly serious about how he sees his own life ending. Speaking exclusively to Event magazine today, the creator of The Office and Extras reveals: 'I am in favour of assisted suicide and voluntary euthanasia.

'I know that I'd want it. I hope when I'm ready to go you can just go to Boots and get something. I hope we get more advanced and more liberal, that there's not all this hate for people who want to do it, all this going, 'How dare you?' That's madness.'

His comments come ahead of After Life, his upcoming Netflix series about death and grief, which is said to be as black as comedy can be. Gervais, 57, reveals his latest TV character, a depressed journalist who dabbles with hard drugs and thoughts of suicide after his wife's death from cancer, is his darkest by far and made him face up to his own mortality.
There are probably a lot of people who would pay rather well for the privilege of assisting Mr. Gervais. Perhaps he could approach it as a charity auction.

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Blogger Bellomy February 17, 2019 11:11 AM  

I saw him in the movie "Stardust" (which would have been good if you cut out the ridiculous gay pirate).

It was like he was anti-funny. Like not just not funny. It was like he sucked any charm or humor out of the scene every time he showed up.

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 11:18 AM  

I've had a hard time with euthanasia outside societies where fate and a good death in battle are valued. I have to be completely up front about that because it's something that seems to fit well into the ethos of former viking lands that are Protestant. I've had relatives choose it in the face of stage 4 cancer.

In Canada there is a concerted effort to force patients and doctors to take or provide euthanasia. Quite a but different than the nordic way of looking at it.

Blogger thechortling February 17, 2019 11:23 AM  

Yes. Wait until 57 to have one's first question of mortality.

Oh, I know I'll off myself to demonstrate love and nonhatred.

That's the ideal AOCBern unit voter right there. If only he could get to Boots before the election!!!

Blogger Xellos February 17, 2019 11:25 AM  

There isn't much of a difference between demon worshippers back then and now, huh.

Blogger Constantin February 17, 2019 11:25 AM  

If he actually goes through with this, it'll be the first and only time he did something actually funny. I'd normally say "hope he does it soon", but that would imply Gervais has been relevant enough these past few years for anyone to notice that he's gone.

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 11:29 AM  

>The women in this series, including Kerry Godliman as Lisa, Ashley Jensen as a dementia nurse and Roisin Conaty as a sex worker, are the strong ones.

'Growing up, to me women weren't the weaker sex. They held it together. They had to be like lionesses,' says Gervais, who was always very close to his mother Eva when he was growing up in Slough. 'So I've never done the damsel-in-distress nonsense. I always try to make strong female characters, instead of using them as props for men to be funny or heroic. Because that's just not true. It's nearly always the opposite in real life. The lionesses do all the work.'

>I've met his partner Jane Fallon, the novelist, and I'm struck by how similar she is to Tony's earthy, funny wife Lisa in the new series. Gervais and Fallon got together at university more than 30 years ago, and for a long time both were penniless. Then she became a successful TV producer on EastEnders and This Life before he made The Office. The couple live in a £10 million mansion in Hampstead, but their everyday life is ordinary and they like to be on the sofa by six in the evening with their cat Ollie, a bottle of wine and a box set. Is this series something of an ode to her?

I really miss the days when men used film to write love letters to themselves. We had quality storytelling like in Frankenstein and Hamlet directed by Kenneth Branagh. Instead we have poufters pretending to be straight using film to try and pretend they're straight. See Brian Singer as well.

Blogger Doom February 17, 2019 11:37 AM  

Hmm. After a stage IV cancer diagnosis last September, I've gone through a sequence of murderously brutal treatments. Every day I wake up and begin a new day of agony...you better believe I've considered sparing myself this, but I also don't want to break my mother's or wife's heart. But why can't I, or someone else, decide to stop this at some point?

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 11:39 AM  

I'm so sorry to hear R Doom. Will you accept prayers for yourself?

Blogger Tank February 17, 2019 11:42 AM  

Weird to see people saying he's not funny. He has a special out now called Humanity. It's funny. He's a funny guy. He can be a funny guy AND be very wrong about assisted suicide. Are we trying to take over the "that's not funny" zone?

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 11:45 AM  

He's not funny. Have you seen his movie on lying? Terrible. He's funny looking, sure. Just because he's gay doesn't mean he's funny.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile February 17, 2019 11:46 AM  

made him face up to his own mortality.

Is there a name for people who seem to believe they're the first person to ever discover a mundane truth?

Blogger VD February 17, 2019 11:48 AM  

Weird to see people saying he's not funny.

He's not, except on very rare occasions.

But why can't I, or someone else, decide to stop this at some point?

Because that would be murder. Everyone already has the power to end their own lives. What "assisted suicide" demands is the complicity of others. And that is wrong. Once that line is crossed, it's very easy to simply substitute new justifications for ending others' lives.

Blogger NO GOOGLES February 17, 2019 11:48 AM  

@8
It's not about your situation or those like it. Nobody would really get too up in arms if it was.

This is about them finding the best possible way to sell "assisted" suicide. Once they have it, they get to regulate when your life ends. If anybody questions it, well here's the form they signed, clearly they wanted to commit suicide.

This yet another part of the population replacement program. Honestly I doubt it would even have to be that cynical as suicidal as many Westerners are. All you have to do is ask:

1) Is the government capable of putting people in assisted living/retirement homes/hospitals? Do they have that power?
2) Once isolated, do you think the government would ever either make a mistake or actually "assist" someone who doesn't want to be "assisted"?

This, like mandated driverless cars, is another power that I cannot EVER see trusting the government with. It would be like trusting a crack addict with your savings.

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 11:54 AM  

It's already here in Soviet Canada. Chronically ill man releases audio of hospital staff offering assisted death.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums February 17, 2019 11:54 AM  

R Doom wrote:But why can't I, or someone else, decide to stop this at some point?

Suicide isn't illegal. Assisted suicide seems like a vehicle of something else. Why would someone give a stranger the responsibility of their own life and why would that stranger take it in the first place? I'm sure there are lots of doctors who would offer advice about how people can peacefully sunset themselves but they would never be willing to pull the metaphorical trigger in their stead. Assisted suicide sounds like a roundabout way of making such doctors kill people through the law.

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis.

Blogger The Deuce February 17, 2019 11:55 AM  

Why does Ricky need our help to off himself? I thought atheists were supposed to be so much braver than everyone else!

Blogger dienw February 17, 2019 11:57 AM  

@ R. Doom
You have my prayers. I have been at at death door when I was a young man. But for Christ.

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 12:02 PM  

Covenant Health will support persons in our care who seek more information regarding options, including palliative and hospice care, but will not participate in or provide medical assistance in dying.
Covenant Heath is the catholic church's hospital organization in Alberta. Just wanted to demonstrate that medically assisted dying is an ethics violation. Vox already explained that it requires forced labor.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira February 17, 2019 12:05 PM  

Just like how abortion went from cases of rape and incest, by the time the boomers are all in nursing homes, they will be required to die and stop being leeches. And nobody will care, least of all, their direct descendants if they have any that weren't aborted.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira February 17, 2019 12:09 PM  

I have to add one more thing: These animals are so disgusting and full of evil, my tolerance has been at 0 for some time now. The smugness, the smirking, the flaunting of their wickedness, it used to make me angry. Now I feel like the apostles when they first began to realise they were looking at the resurrected Christ. It's just dawning on me, that all this evil filth is not upon me, and our faith will see us through.

Blogger Doom February 17, 2019 12:11 PM  

Of course you can pray for me. I'm not talking about forcing someone to help me die, but bottom line, there have been many instances these last few months where I was too weak to do so, at least not in a way where the chance of success would be high with the resources I have available. Is it truly murder to ask someone to at least put a glass of water and an appropriate assortment of pills near me? I still intend to keep fighting but...it still seems like there should be a quiet way to give people the option of not hurting so much, although I absolutely don't want government involved.

Blogger Bellomy February 17, 2019 12:15 PM  

Yes, it would be murder, because they are complicit in ending your life.

I am not going to judge here as I'm sure what you're going through is horrible but as a moral question it is very straightforward. What causes confusion are only misguided emotions.

Blogger cloom February 17, 2019 12:20 PM  

Suicide is also murder. Stay and fast, pray, suffer and mourn. It is how you will know God and you do not have to understand why that is so.

Blogger peacefulposter February 17, 2019 12:32 PM  

Palliative Care is often about simply cranking the morphine until the patient dies.

Blogger owlish February 17, 2019 12:33 PM  

Not that long ago, when there were nearly unlimited funds for keeping people in nursing homes, assisted suicide was said to be immoral. I'm suspicious of claims of "This is the moral thing to do" when it coincides with the money making thing to do.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 17, 2019 12:35 PM  

There are already too many people in the health care industry who would like to apply quality-of-life standards to whether or not people are worth keeping alive. Legalize assisted suicide, and it's guaranteed that they'll soon be assisting people who didn't ask for it and aren't able to tell anyone or don't have anyone there to tell. You'll have people coming by to guilt-trip Grandma about how she's a burden on her family, when they're really thinking about freeing up a bed.

Blogger Arthur Isaac February 17, 2019 12:49 PM  

I'm no doctor, but I think I could manage.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 17, 2019 12:49 PM  

sammibandit wrote:I've had a hard time with euthanasia outside societies where fate and a good death in battle are valued. I have to be completely up front about that because it's something that seems to fit well into the ethos of former viking lands that are Protestant. I've had relatives choose it in the face of stage 4 cancer.

In Canada there is a concerted effort to force patients and doctors to take or provide euthanasia. Quite a but different than the nordic way of looking at it.



But perhaps not too different than the Ol' Push Your Old Folks Out Onto An Ice-flow to die they way the Inuit supposedly did it.

Blogger Haus frau February 17, 2019 12:52 PM  

I read a while ago that the Netherlands has moved to allow doctors to go ahead with suiciding patients (only children i believe) against the wishes of the family if the case meets certain medical criteria. Absolutely no one should be surprised by this of course. The goal is a death sentence via bureaucratic fiat for the common good, however that is defined.

Blogger Anonymous White Male February 17, 2019 12:56 PM  

haus frau wrote:I read a while ago that the Netherlands has moved to allow doctors to go ahead with suiciding patients (only children i believe) against the wishes of the family if the case meets certain medical criteria. Absolutely no one should be surprised by this of course. The goal is a death sentence via bureaucratic fiat for the common good, however that is defined.

The higher goal is to shed innocent blood and bring a curse upon the land.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile February 17, 2019 1:02 PM  

Once that line is crossed, it's very easy to simply substitute new justifications for ending others' lives.

Just like every excuse for abortion could apply just as well when the kid is 5 years old. Or even 25 years old.

Blogger Tank February 17, 2019 1:05 PM  

VD

February 17, 2019 11:48 AM
Weird to see people saying he's not funny.

He's not, except on very rare occasions.


Watch Humanity and get back to me.

Blogger Anonymous White Male February 17, 2019 1:07 PM  

Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club wrote:Once that line is crossed, it's very easy to simply substitute new justifications for ending others' lives.

Just like every excuse for abortion could apply just as well when the kid is 5 years old. Or even 25 years old.


It's funny how libtards embrace abortion, both pre- and post-, but don't understand that capital punishment is just retroactive abortion.

Blogger David The Good February 17, 2019 1:09 PM  

R Doom wrote:Hmm. After a stage IV cancer diagnosis last September, I've gone through a sequence of murderously brutal treatments. Every day I wake up and begin a new day of agony...you better believe I've considered sparing myself this, but I also don't want to break my mother's or wife's heart. But why can't I, or someone else, decide to stop this at some point?

I am very sorry for what you're going through. The answer is that your life does not belong to you. If you end it yourself, you will meet God having committed the sin of murder. The answer is to cry out to Him for mercy in the name of Jesus Christ, lay your life in His hands, and ask Him what he wishes you to do in your pain and misery for His glory. Paul suffered in chains but still gave thanks and wrote letters of encouragement to the churches and said "count it all joy when you face various trials." This is all very contrary to the world, which says we should think first of our own pain.

Praying for you now.

Blogger English Tom February 17, 2019 1:13 PM  

@Tatooine Sharpshooters Club

At 5 or 25 y.o.a.

This is the Fabian plan all along. See: George Bernard Shaw: justify yourself.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Gervais is highly overrated.

@R Doom I'm really sorry to hear your story. I hope you can manage the pain. I've said a,prayer for you.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 17, 2019 1:20 PM  

Right on schedule.
1972: "Look we just need to account for cases of rape and incest!"
2019: "Abort the baby right up to birth, and even right after!"

Gee, I wonder with this precedent for anti-life we set, how compulsory assisted suicide is going to be.
On the upside, it may become a delivery means of comeuppance to all these boomers and GenXers who have no problem with abortion.

Blogger APL February 17, 2019 1:20 PM  

"There are probably a lot of people who would pay rather well for the privilege of assisting Mr. Gervais."

I'd contribute to a crowd fund.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 17, 2019 1:21 PM  

You can, however, the argument from Canticle for Leibowitz goes something like this: much like a cat or dog crawling away to die, the last days of misery aren't for anyone else they are between you and God. NO ONE can know how much of that time is necessary. To cut it short to end momentary suffering is to diminish the eternity which awaits.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 17, 2019 1:22 PM  

This too

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 17, 2019 1:26 PM  

@ R Doom I'm sorry. I have no idea what suffering you're enduring, and I won't pretend otherwise. I believe God is neither aware nor indifferent to your pain. I also firmly believe willfully ending your own life is wrong. As others here have said, offer your pain up to him. Although you may not see the effects, bearing up under such a load rather than taking the easy way out is a virtuous act. "They also serve who only stand and wait."

I will add that unless I'm mistaken, even the Catholic Church, which takes as hard a line against suicide as anyone, distinguishes between deliberate suicide and ceasing treatment. To kill yourself because of the pain is not the same as to decide that the cost and the suffering of the disease (and the side effects) are not worth another six months of tortuous life.

God be with you, and I will pray for you.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 17, 2019 1:28 PM  

D'oh! That should have been "torturous," not "tortuous". Ah well, most people wouldn't catch the error anyway.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 17, 2019 1:28 PM  

@ R Doom

You are in our prayers here.

Blogger MeneMene February 17, 2019 1:29 PM  

@R Doom: Praying, praying

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 17, 2019 1:31 PM  

Way off topic, but cool if true: Trump is rumored to maybe intend to eliminate ``disparate impact=discrimination.'' It's not a wall, but it would be very pro-civilization. It would mean no more hiring dindoos and feminists to keep the diversity numbers up.

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 1:39 PM  

Emmett Fitz-Hume wrote

But perhaps not too different than the Ol' Push Your Old Folks Out Onto An Ice-flow to die they way the Inuit supposedly did it.

For your example, afaik it was forced and may still be forced because of scarce resources. Scarce resources may have preceded the viking age as well. I'm not too familiar with the pre-793 AD time scale, though.

What is actually going on is perhaps not that different. Obesity related healthcare spending is expanding. We just spent 20 million on bariatric stretchers ambulances. And most healthcare dollars in my country are spent in the last 6 months of life.

This programme is being sold as a service of dealing with death. It's a real bait and switch and were it not for what's left of investigative reporting we would know much less about it. Funny eh?

Ricky Gervais is a creepy, little imp. There's just something about him not quite right.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 17, 2019 1:48 PM  

sammibandit wrote:Emmett Fitz-Hume wrote

But perhaps not too different than the Ol' Push Your Old Folks Out Onto An Ice-flow to die they way the Inuit supposedly did it.

For your example, afaik it was forced and may still be forced because of scarce resources. Scarce resources may have preceded the viking age as well. I'm not too familiar with the pre-793 AD time scale, though.

What is actually going on is perhaps not that different. Obesity related healthcare spending is expanding. We just spent 20 million on bariatric stretchers ambulances. And most healthcare dollars in my country are spent in the last 6 months of life.

This programme is being sold as a service of dealing with death. It's a real bait and switch and were it not for what's left of investigative reporting we would know much less about it. Funny eh?

Ricky Gervais is a creepy, little imp. There's just something about him not quite right.


You could be correct. I'm not a history guy. But it shows me is what happens when we take the Christ out of Christendom. And what is was like before his appearance.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 17, 2019 1:52 PM  

Suicide seems relatively easy in the USA, with the availability of firearms. When the media mention deaths by shootings, they never seem to mention the majority are suicides. Otherwise hanging, or more imaginative methods.

If someone were badly injured/nearly dead, what would be wrong with shooting them?

Would people jumping from the burning towers on 911 be considered suicides?

Blogger Ron February 17, 2019 1:55 PM  

Wow. You have class. That was a classy way to put it. God will accept your prayers.

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 1:56 PM  

My html-fu isn't as hot as double quoting but I'd like to continue, Emmet.

>You could be correct. I'm not a history guy. But it shows me is what happens when we take the Christ out of Christendom. And what is was like before his appearance.

If faith makes a society stronger in a fight, as is demonstrated in the OP yesterday about cognitive diminishment, then perhaps we can say with certainty that lack of faith is a strategic weakness. I'm sure you know how faith has waned in Northern Europe, including Holland. Great insight.

Blogger Ron February 17, 2019 1:56 PM  

Great logic. You may have saved lives by writing that.

Blogger Lovekraft February 17, 2019 1:58 PM  

Alan Moore's "Providence" had public suicide booths, complete with comfortable furniture and soothing music.

This isn't an endorsement by Moore. More likely a direct reflection of a decaying society.

Blogger cheddarman February 17, 2019 1:58 PM  

If he could take most of the Boomers with him, that would be wonderful, a YUGE win for Western Civilization

Blogger Ann February 17, 2019 1:58 PM  

I'm not sure the timing of one's death is just between me and my God. Perhaps my suffering would have important lessons for my loved ones or those whose paths I cross. God decides. Even in death or pain we trust. (Maybe easy for me to say, but I pray for courage should pain come my way.) Bottom line is we know that all things work together for good for those who love God.

Blogger Ron February 17, 2019 1:59 PM  

Well said! You speak like a hero!

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 2:04 PM  

Blessings for the courage to express your thoughts. You certainly have something for me to think about. This line hit home:

>Bottom line is we know that all things work together for good for those who love God.

Blogger dienw February 17, 2019 2:14 PM  

On the upside, it may become a delivery means of comeuppance to all these boomers and GenXers who have no problem with abortion.

I have wondered for years about the emotional and psychological, even the spiritual response, the post 1973 generations would make: what sort of rage would be perpetually in the back of one's mind be knowing he was was only alive because it was convenient; especially convenient to his "mother." That spiritual rage has grown fiercer with each new generation: why should a boomer - or the next generation - not be surprised at the prospect of being euthanized because he is inconvenient?



Blogger Ingemar February 17, 2019 2:19 PM  

It's the camel's nose under the tent. See also: Gay civil partnerships

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 17, 2019 2:35 PM  

This won't be popular here but Gore's "Messiah."

Blogger spinoza February 17, 2019 2:39 PM  

It’s not only the drug consumption and care companies in which profits would be lost, half of television viewers would end their lives after succumbing to the demonic programming they are forced to watch in paralysis as are dying.

We are in this world not of it.

I am ashamed to say that if this were to become reality I would be interested to see what the market estimates the cost of such a service in fiat currency would be and excited to study that ongoing relationship to the economy.


If the Rothschilds do indeed own contracts on all birth certificates then this is a matter of property rights.

Blogger artensoll February 17, 2019 2:48 PM  

@21

Mr Doom, I pray you continue to find the strength to bear it. God bless.

Blogger Azimus February 17, 2019 2:48 PM  

Again we see the only thing uniting the leftist agenda is contempt for human life and the desire to end as much of it as possible, as quickly as possible.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 17, 2019 2:49 PM  

@Vox

Where would you place Ricky on scale?

My own reflex answer is Gamma, however...

This is a picture of him when he was in his twenties.

Yes, he was in a New Wave band at the time, why do you ask?

The thing is, he was fairly good looking when he was young and is on the record of hating Star Trek and Star Wars. This argues strongly against Gamma.

Then again, his characters seem to revel in their own self-degradation. He seems to derive some odd satisfaction in humiliating them.

His character from Extras got what he wanted and actually became famous but it turned him into a national joke.

It feels like Gamma but something doesn't quite fit.

I don't see the secret king hiding beneath the surface.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 17, 2019 2:51 PM  

@R Doom

Prayer has been offered.

Blogger Gianna February 17, 2019 2:59 PM  

@R Doom

I have also said prayers. God bless.

Blogger Sheila4g February 17, 2019 3:00 PM  

@40 Zaklog the Great: "I will add that unless I'm mistaken, even the Catholic Church, which takes as hard a line against suicide as anyone, distinguishes between deliberate suicide and ceasing treatment. To kill yourself because of the pain is not the same as to decide that the cost and the suffering of the disease (and the side effects) are not worth another six months of tortuous life."

This is what my late mother-in-law, a Catholic, chose. After an essentially terminal diagnosis and exploring options for a number of months, she chose to forgo all treatment other than palliative care for her cancer. She was still in terrible pain at the end but died less than a year after her diagnosis . We lost her when she was only 73, and wish she could have remained to share her wisdom and love with her grandsons, but we respected her choice - and neither we, nor she, nor the priest she met with, considered it suicide.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 17, 2019 3:03 PM  

@62

Maybe he's a mix of Gamma & Omega, with some Lambda for comedic effect.

Omega's do not want to be king.

Blogger sammibandit February 17, 2019 3:07 PM  

I think there's other letters for his type. I see a secret queen.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 17, 2019 3:16 PM  

@40 Double d'oh! That was supposed to be "God is not unaware nor indifferent to". Ah well, I think most people got the point.

Blogger FP February 17, 2019 3:22 PM  

Never been a fan of Gervais and didnt much care for either version of the Office. Since being famous he's just an arrogant prat. I could tolerate about 2 minutes of his netflix show Derek where he plays a retard. Maybe it was an auto-biography.

Any person in America who still believes in assisted suicide lost all credibility once Obamacare was passed. Government run healthcare means government runs your life and death. See Canada and the UK now for examples of what happens with socialized medicine and giving government that much power.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 17, 2019 3:32 PM  

@58 This won't be popular here but Gore's "Messiah."

Cavism; looks like some form of Nihilism?
I kind of wondered about the inconsistency of someone identifying as an Atheist. Whether Atheist, has the same connotation in the far East I don't know. And what train of action, that should logically lead to, with a partially Christian cultural understanding of Atheism.

At least with L Ron Hubbard he started his own mythos? Or perhaps used esoteric knowledge, from somewhere. In contrast to humanity's greatest thinker.

Blogger Rough Carrigan February 17, 2019 3:47 PM  

I want to create all the necessary elements of a tyrannical government and society.

But that's not what I want to end up with, honest.

Blogger Matthew T February 17, 2019 3:58 PM  

It's shocking how quickly this gets normalized. I am a physician in Canada, where, as others have noted, this is legal. I was working at the emergency department the other day and for the first time ever I happened to deal with an elderly lady whose family was quite open about how she wanted to opt for assisted suicide; they seemed not in the least ashamed or mortified to be asking for this.

Fortunately (I guess?) we have a system where patients request this through intermediaries in a way that technically absolves me from participating, but the point is it gets normalized very fast, and the culture and the media are so ethically illiterate that it's hard to offer a coherent response to it that most people will understand.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 17, 2019 4:13 PM  

My brother, in his 20s, had inoperable brain cancer. He lay dying in the hospital after a year of treatment.

His brain started treating all sensations as terrible pain and he was crying out as if on fire. Mother and I asked the doctor to do something. He said he could stop the pain but to do so would mean so much morphine that he would not make it through the night.

Mother said she could not make a decision like that and for me to do so. I told the doctor to stop the pain. My brother was dead about 4 hours later.

I have always been haunted by having to make that decision. I am sure in my mind that I did the right thing, but I have still always been haunted by the call.

Anyone who can causally call for the death of a loved one is not my sort of people.

Blogger spinoza February 17, 2019 4:17 PM  

It would be ironic for a government to allow this behavior if all of the individual’s assets were redistributed to society and all inherited wealth nullified. Socialism through suicide may be a successful platform for politicians in the future.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 17, 2019 4:18 PM  

Prayers for you, Mr Doom. Unlimited pain is so horrifying a rack.

Well-off British male atheists really seem to want to have power over their own death: Terry Pratchett, for instance.

My MIL is in care. It's performance art. She gets topped off with blood or antibiotics every few months, even though her lower body is rotting away- subcutaneous gangrene, and her mind has been going for years. I don't know that any following generation has enough spare money or skill to keep even my generation alive like she's being kept alive.

1/3 of all pregnancies ended in abortion for GenX, in one ten year period. All of the movies were horror stories about infants and children murdering their family or ending the world. It's programming: the newest generations were spared horror films until the social surveys showing GenZyklon as conservative. Now, there's a Chuckie slasher on show, after 30 years. And nostalgia shows aimed at teens, for the 1980s, a time when they weren't even born. Give it a year, and they'll be back to wanting dead, mutilated teens again, just like the 1980s.

The most horrifying news story I ever read was from Canada: a hospital where they starve infants to death. They go into a sort of suspended twilight sleep. The nurses found this hard to bear. The horror was that the hospital was trying to alter the nurses' sense of compassion and decency, not that they questioned starving infants to death. I have nightmares about this, to this day.

Blogger Hari Seldon February 17, 2019 4:21 PM  

Imho, The Office is a comedic masterpiece and Extras is very good. Otherwise, Gervais is pretty much insufferable.

You can already see his sneering and unpleasant atheism begin to poison his work in Extras. I haven't paid any attention to Gervais's subsequent work and apparently, I'm not missing much.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 17, 2019 4:23 PM  

R Doom wrote:Hmm. After a stage IV cancer diagnosis last September, I've gone through a sequence of murderously brutal treatments. Every day I wake up and begin a new day of agony...you better believe I've considered sparing myself this, but I also don't want to break my mother's or wife's heart. But why can't I, or someone else, decide to stop this at some point?


I am praying for you. Your story is an all too familiar one.

I can only say that some have stopped treatment and tried water fasting with some success. Others have stopped treatment and tried to enjoy the last of their life with loved ones as much as possible.

Some have stopped treatment and went into remission for no visible reason.

You probably know all this though. May God have mercy on you and may God protect your family for you.

Blogger Ford Prefect February 17, 2019 4:24 PM  

@47: Regarding jumping from a burning building:

I think it would be suicide only if you were hoping to die. If you're in a burning building, flames licking at your donkey, with 0% chance of surviving if you stay put, but a 1 in a million chance of surviving a jump, I'd suggest that staying put would be suicide rather than jumping.

That said, it's not a situation I would seek for myself.

Blogger felixfenix February 17, 2019 4:36 PM  

OT re Jordan Peterson.The Australian notes that the "rock star psychologist" received a standing ovation last night in Sydney. Our lagest Christian Family Asssociation thinks he will save the young men from the snares and traps of society.As an appreciative follower of Vox and this blog since Rabid Puppies I was nauseated by the blind adulation given to JP.Thanks to you, I can see a deceiver and wolf in sheep's clothing.
The lack of discernment by people who should know better is frightening.Felix.

Blogger Doom February 17, 2019 4:38 PM  

>>
I can only say that some have stopped treatment and tried water fasting with some success. Others have stopped treatment and tried to enjoy the last of their life with loved ones as much as possible.<<

And that leads to another question: when is refusing treatment "suicide"? Having been deceived repeatedly by doctors, I'm refusing further treatments beyond well, very minor things (mercifully, my wife has acceded).

But if the doc says "this has a 100% cure rate", and I say "no more", would that be suicide?

Blogger Nate February 17, 2019 4:39 PM  

Jesus Christ...

The food supply is not poisoned ya morons. Smart people aren't reproducing. Dumb people are. That's all there is to it.

Blogger Robert What? February 17, 2019 4:40 PM  

"Because that would be murder"

@Vox, would it be murder if the doctor put a lethal amount of Fentanyl in your hands but left it up to you to actually take it? There is also a long ancient tradition of a warrior's Second to administer the coup de grâce when the warrior was desirous but unable.

Blogger Robert What? February 17, 2019 4:44 PM  

As someone who struggles frequently with suicidal ideation, legally assisted suicide would be a blessing if and when the time comes.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 17, 2019 4:46 PM  

@80

I am not sure I can answer for you.

I can only say that my research on cancer has led me to doctors and others that believe that often the treatment kills you before the cancer would have. So, there is that.

I also do believe some who have said that water fasting is the best chance.

I also believe that not taking treatments that do not have anywhere near a 100% cure rate is not suicide.

In fact, I don't believe that in your situation that anything you decided to do would be suicide in God's eyes. (other that using a gun or something like that)

Most people with stage 4 cancer die. Sad, but that is the way it goes.

I pray that you experience a sudden and unexplained remission. It does happen.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums February 17, 2019 4:53 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:

This is a picture of him when he was in his twenties.


Men are very visual creatures which is why we assume that a handsome guy to us is an attractive guy for women. It's rarely the case. Brad Pitt is considered universally handsome but only by gay dudes, whereas some dull long-faced looking guy like Ryan Gossling is considered attractive by most women. You can't judge male fitness for women through male eyes.

Gervais is a nasty, nasty guy. He hides it through humor and forced laughter but if you mute him you can easily spot it on his face. Most of his work revolves around making fun of people and showing how much more better he is than them. Total gamma.

Hari Seldon wrote:Imho, The Office is a comedic masterpiece and Extras is very good. Otherwise, Gervais is pretty much insufferable.

You can already see his sneering and unpleasant atheism begin to poison his work in Extras. I haven't paid any attention to Gervais's subsequent work and apparently, I'm not missing much.


He gave us Karl Pilkington. Gervais had a radio show in which he pretty much constantly made fun of Karl for being dumb. Karl is dumb (has an IQ around 80 or 90) but it was quite obvious he was way funnier, more honest, more interesting, and more likable than Gervais. He was the star of the show and all Gervais did was make nasty, mean jokes at his expense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0DRUqRIMM

Blogger MJimmy February 17, 2019 4:58 PM  

Most punchable face of the century. Closet case is my guess.

Blogger stevo February 17, 2019 5:23 PM  

The original "Office" was hilarious. As a hard-line Catholic, I find any hint of abortion, euthanasia, suicide assisted or otherwise is pure evil and must be resisted at all costs.

Blogger stevo February 17, 2019 5:25 PM  

Hear hear

Blogger Silent Draco February 17, 2019 5:53 PM  

RDoom, it depends - "enough" may be the answer if you're very sick and weak from protracted treatments. The 100% cure could also be enough to kill. The only good answer and choice is one to pray with the Lord for a good choice. I'll also pray for your recovery and healing.

We've been there. My wife said this much and no more in Stage III; we were fortunate to a point that chemo, a lot of prayers, and a laying on of hands put her in remission for a long time, considered 'cured'.

Blogger Tank February 17, 2019 5:59 PM  

Ricky Gervais

@rickygervais


The best thing about making a snowperson is using a massive carrot for her cock.


Tell me that's not funny.

Blogger FUBARwest February 17, 2019 6:06 PM  

"Tell me that's not funny."

Are you trying to be funny here?

Blogger SciVo February 17, 2019 6:09 PM  

James wrote:It's funny how libtards embrace abortion, both pre- and post-, but don't understand that capital punishment is just retroactive abortion.

Not really. There is no contradiction if they follow the Crowleyism, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." They're satanic, not (necessarily) stupid.

Blogger David Ray Milton February 17, 2019 6:29 PM  

1. If you are going to end your life, then at least have the courage to do it yourself. I’m my mind, there’s nothing sadder when someone chooses this route, but don’t drag anyone else into it.

2. I agree with the thin line between choosing euthanasia for yourself and then further down the road someone else choosing euthanasia for you.

3. Don’t conflate warrior self-sacrifice or helping a brave soldier bleeding out on the battlefield with some weak urban metrosexual who lacks the courage to take care of his own problems. There’s a world of difference.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 17, 2019 6:32 PM  

I know my great grandfather had suicide pills for his daughters in case the Germans invaded the UK in WW2. He was a RSM in WW1, having heard and presumably seen some of the devastation in Belgium. My grandmother who is 92 mentioned it, off the cuff one day.

I wonder the psychological state when playing Russian roulette, I had heard about it fairly young from my grandfather. Yeah well, pretty united at the end of the movie, "Deer Hunter", God Bless America.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 17, 2019 8:00 PM  

Tank wrote:Ricky Gervais



@rickygervais

The best thing about making a snowperson is using a massive carrot for her cock.


Tell me that's not funny.


That's not funny.

Blogger bobby February 17, 2019 8:40 PM  

Mark Stoval February 17, 2019 4:13 PM

"I have always been haunted by having to make that decision. I am sure in my mind that I did the right thing, but I have still always been haunted by the call."


FWIW, I think you did the right thing, and I hope, should my life take a turn like your brother's did, that I have someone in my life with your courage.

Blogger Amethyst Dominica February 17, 2019 9:09 PM  

@33. The reason Liberals love abortion is because it increases r-selection within the population and frees urban women to pursue choices that make society more amenable to Progressivism. (Even though the majority of children aborted would have probably grown up to be promiscuous and r-selected themselves...)

The reason Liberals hate the Death Penalty is because criminals are highly r-selected. (If you're not going to bother to make more r-selected people yourself, you certainly want to do all you can to keep the number of r-selected people from going down. Besides, criminals like to either fight or be a resource drain on K-selected, Conservative folks.)

Blogger nswhorse February 17, 2019 10:06 PM  

From his Wiki page:

Gervais lives between Hampstead and New York City with his partner, producer and author Jane Fallon, whom he has been with since 1982. He says they chose not to marry because "there's no point in us having an actual ceremony before the eyes of God because there is no God" or have children because they "didn't fancy dedicating 16 years of our lives. And there are too many children, of course."

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 17, 2019 10:12 PM  

Mr Stoval, you gave water to a dying man. The angels weep with you, while you grieve.

Blogger plasticface February 17, 2019 10:16 PM  

Gervais is so unbelievably full of himself I can only stand him when Jerry Seinfeld is in the same room and can't help but call him on it

Blogger Rhys February 17, 2019 11:37 PM  

Why do we need to? I didn't laugh at it, but so what? If you find something funny then find it funny, but don't get all butthurt that some of us think he's lame.

Blogger Up from the pond February 18, 2019 12:54 AM  

Daniele Grech Pereira wrote:by the time the boomers are all in nursing homes, they will be required to die and stop being leeches.

There's always a silver lining.

Blogger JAG February 18, 2019 1:56 AM  

Tank wrote:Ricky Gervais



@rickygervais

The best thing about making a snowperson is using a massive carrot for her cock.


Tell me that's not funny.


It was much funnier the first time... when they did it in Dumb & Dumber.

Blogger Tim Gilley February 18, 2019 2:47 AM  

As always with liberals it's about death. Do they ever happily celebrate life?

Blogger VD February 18, 2019 5:02 AM  

Tell me that's not funny.

That's not funny. It's puerile and pseudo-edgy. It's one step above Benny Hill-level humor, which I have never found amusing.

Blogger The Cooler February 18, 2019 7:15 AM  

We Christians tend to subscribe to the Consensus Theory of Truth as it relates to suicide; it's never sat well with me. Of the seven biblical references to suicide I can think of, it is unclear as to the 'wrongness' of the act and several of these are implied as good deaths.

What we do know is that for everything there is a time, for every purpose under Heaven.

Assisted suicide is clearly wrong, however. The other involved in the act is culpable, by definition, via intention.

Gervias? Gervias clearly suffers the Eternal Boredom once reserved for the softer sex. I expect him to commit suicide within the next 4 or 5 years; I expect him to regret it soon thereafter.

Blogger Tank February 18, 2019 7:58 AM  

What we have her is a buncha old lesbian lefty "that's not funny" fuddy duddies. Sad.

Blogger Red Bane February 18, 2019 8:07 AM  

The pathological narcissism of our day is evident in Gervais's desire to be able to end it all once he can longer enjoy the foie gras and the bants. Little does he understand the sociological dangers of pushing for euthanasia, especially once government gets in the game

Blogger nswhorse February 18, 2019 8:23 AM  

Why does anyone give any attention to those who remain deliberately childless despite being married (or pseudo-married)? First, it is a huge insult to those couples who are unable to conceive. Second, who cares what someone who will have no legacy has to say? You made a deliberate and narcissistic decision to end your line, to indulge your own hedonism, so just go away and live out your miserable days without bothering those of us who have invested in the future. A non-sick society would heap scorn on such people.

Blogger Roman Daoist February 18, 2019 8:30 AM  

VD, you may not like RG but regardless of that, did you actually just say:

'In the name of protecting against the sin of assistant suicide we, and I humbly speak on behalf of only "most of the human race"[?!], wish to participate in, and even make profit from, the assisted suicide of those that support assisted suicide and or those that I don't find funny.'

Or:

'It's really unforgivably terribly horribly bad - unless we don't like them. Then we may as well make a party of it!'

This is a question. If you have said this then please clarify your position - for consistency's sake. Cos you make it really serious then kind of swing it over the balcony.

My view is that assisted suicide is appropriate when the person is obviously irreversably suffering and is, preferably, asking for the assistance. In that case, NOT providing relief is an act of deliberate violence. 'You will suffer! God wants it thus! See you again tomorrow.'

Blogger Roman Daoist February 18, 2019 8:32 AM  

assistant -> assisted

Blogger dumnonia-watchman February 19, 2019 6:42 AM  

I walked out of The Man who Invented Lying'.

Terrible. I enjoyed The Office, but once red-pilled, you realise it's all satanic.

I was looking into how many actors in The US Office were Jewish yesterday. Seemed to be all the main stars.

I also heard We Are The World by chance and researched the lyrics...Read the last verse, literally satan saying he's no need for God.

Sad, many such cases.

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