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Saturday, February 09, 2019

A matter of compliance

Please note that SocialGalactic is no longer accessible from IP addresses in the European Union. We request that you do not discuss various means of attempting to circumnavigate our compliance with the EU's General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 here or on SocialGalactic.

We regret the necessity of blocking access to the site and we will be investigating less onerous way of complying with this regulation in the near future. Thank you for your patience.

UPDATE: Day 3. 1,000 Followers. The site now has 2,126 users, has seen over 500 concurrent, (there are 270 right now at 6:15 AM EST) and has already acquired a nickname. #TheCore.

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56 Comments:

Blogger SirMaorio February 09, 2019 3:12 PM  

downside to regulation, stifles start-ups

is there any easy fix to making your site GDPR compliant?

Blogger VD February 09, 2019 3:23 PM  

Is there any easy fix to making your site GDPR compliant?

There are a few possibilities, but we need to verify that they are legally sound.

Anonymous Anonymous February 09, 2019 3:35 PM  

I'm so glad the EU is protecting me from talking to people.

While importing jihadists by the millions ...

FFS!

Blogger artensoll February 09, 2019 3:39 PM  

Sad face emoji

Blogger Jonathon Davies February 09, 2019 3:58 PM  

Can't wait to leave next month.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 09, 2019 4:11 PM  

Eagerly awaiting 30th March, so I can get back on from England.

Blogger SirHamster February 09, 2019 4:12 PM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:I'm so glad the EU is protecting me from talking to people.

While importing jihadists by the millions ...

FFS!


It's not to protect you. It's protecting the "right people" just fine.

Blogger Troushers February 09, 2019 4:12 PM  

Very sad state of affairs. Can't wait to get out.

Blogger sammibandit February 09, 2019 4:22 PM  

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Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 09, 2019 4:23 PM  

We request that you do not discuss various means of attempting to circumnavigate our compliance with the EU's General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 here or on SocialGalactic.

Various means should not be discussed. Patience is advised. Now we will investigate less onerous ways of compliance.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 09, 2019 4:23 PM  

OT. I much enjoyed A Man Disrupted. The novel.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 09, 2019 5:12 PM  

Hey VD - I read a hypothesis about the Ginsburg situation that I thought you might be interested in.

The gist is that she is in fact dying - dying quickly enough that she won't live to see 2020 - and Schumer and Pelosi are helping the White House keep this fact away from the press. The reason they'd do that is that a Ginsburg deathwatch would prompt far-left terrorists to descend on DC in an extremely public fashion that would do even more damage to the neoliberal control over the Democratic Party, and would also endanger anyone Trump is likely to pick for her seat. There's also a suggestion that she may in fact be too ill to actually resign - and there's no mechanism to remove her beyond resignation or impeachment. Given the political stature Ginsburg holds for the Far Left, impeaching her *even if she's too ill to serve* isn't going to be feasible, so it likely won't happen.

So if the theory holds, we'll find out that she dies the day that happens - and not a second before - and we'll see the Senate not waiting any longer than necessary to call Trump's nominee. They may even skip the hearings and just go straight to the vote.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 09, 2019 5:16 PM  

Idle curiosity, what's the problem? Personal data? Copyright? Infogalactic has a presence in the EU, I suppose, or you wouldn't care about EU laws.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 09, 2019 5:22 PM  

So is Social Galactic like some kind of right wing Christian twitter or more than that?

There's not exactly a lot of relatively sane public figures out there, at least from my point of view. More of a lateral distribution of compatriots for lack of a better word, would be ace.

Is there anything that would be the equivalent of a 18th Century Spectator, like an agony aunt or uncle, with similar views to the participants on this blog/site?

Thank you for all your work, Vox & Crew.

Blogger Slagenthor February 09, 2019 5:25 PM  

Not just copyright, but also "need to know" control for employees with access to customer information. GDPR is even more onerous than HIPAA in terms of identifying information for both employees AND customers. It's a real PITA.

Blogger Xayveir February 09, 2019 5:27 PM  

Hopefully this GDPR thing is one of many things that will be dropped when we leave.

I look forward to the opportunity to return to SocialGalactic in the near future.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 09, 2019 5:38 PM  

...because if he didn't care and didn't block the EU IPs, "they" - or ((they)) would be swarming in and then crying out as they strike.

Blogger Silent Draco February 09, 2019 6:41 PM  

Slagenthor, that explains much. I had eye glaze from trying to read the regulation. HIPAA or even 'just' PII protection - argh. Brings a slightly different meaning to the Burn Unit.

Blogger Jack Ward February 09, 2019 6:47 PM  

Still not able to get SG to sign me up. Maybe they think I'm in the EU.
What the heck. Probably don't have the time available to indulge in a social media effort. Been nice to be able to hit the site now and again.

Blogger birdman February 09, 2019 6:58 PM  

It's for everybody but he made it more of a center right

Blogger tz February 09, 2019 9:25 PM  

Still unusable with the Samsung Browser on my Galaxy Tab. Any popover overlay will be stuck until I refresh, including users (with the square with their description covering up the post area - and moving with it; if I tap a post it will cover up everything and move, though things seem to be happening under it).

Blogger Ford Prefect February 09, 2019 9:43 PM  

I don't understand this hoohah about GDPR. If a company is not based in the EU nor does it operate in the EU, if EU citizens surf to that company's website, how does the EU have any say in what that company does? I'm having a very hard time grasping how the EU has any right to involvement at all.

I am not a lawyer (I still have some remnants of a soul).

Blogger Markku February 09, 2019 9:48 PM  

If you allow an EU citizen to create a user account, you are doing business in EU.

Blogger Unknown February 09, 2019 10:10 PM  

@23

I dare the EU to try and enforce that outside the boundaries of the EU. Because all the other major social media companies have data centers inside the EU boundaries, the EU can twist their arm. All they can do is bluster otherwise.

--Unknownsailor--

Blogger Nate73 February 09, 2019 10:30 PM  

I've heard mastodon is used by sjws but also is open source, is there a way to get some kind of presence on that decentralized network?

Blogger bobby February 09, 2019 11:18 PM  

If you allow an EU citizen to create a user account, you are doing business in EU."

But what's their enforcement mechanism? Is there a realistic fear that the US fedgov will accept and enforce fines/penalties levied by the EU against USA-based entities?

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas February 09, 2019 11:19 PM  

Vox just made a post earlier today about how the US govt. and corporations have built a massive surveillance state that is harvesting all of our data.

And you still have people complaining here because EU data protection laws make it slightly less convenient to access social media.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 09, 2019 11:44 PM  

Is there a realistic fear that the US fedgov will accept and enforce fines/penalties levied by the EU against USA-based entities?

For a cut of those fines, hell yes! You can already see this in reverse in how almost every trading or gambling site outside the US refuses to accept US-based accounts.

Blogger liberranter February 10, 2019 12:27 AM  

is there any easy fix to making your site GDPR compliant?

The short answer is no. As a cybersecurity consultant who just finished a three-day introductory course in the GDPR, I can conclusively state that the words "easy" and GDPR don't go together in the same sentence except as antonyms.

Blogger liberranter February 10, 2019 12:32 AM  

@23

Yep. I'm afraid that too many North American firms are going to discover this the hard and painful way.

@28

Exactly. The EU will without hesitation arrange whatever bribes are necessary to ensure DoJ firepower is brought to bear in protecting their data.

Blogger bobby February 10, 2019 12:39 AM  

"Exactly. The EU will without hesitation arrange whatever bribes are necessary to ensure DoJ firepower is brought to bear in protecting their data."

But this is all fairly well-settled law about the enforcement of foreign judgments. (The EU would need to reduce any finding of noncompliance to a penalty and then a judgment, and then try to enforce the judgment against USA entity assets here in our courts.) Historically, if the judgment is the result of something that would not be acceptable under our law, it won't be enforced.

So, if it's found that the foreign judgment was the result of government acts that violate (for instance) our right to free speech, it wouldn't be enforced by our courts.

But enough serious people seem to be wary of this to make me wonder what I'm missing in this analysis. Maybe it's as simple as, this does appear to be right, but I wouldn't bet a pile of my own money on this until someone else takes it to court and proves it right, and no one else is willing to either.

Blogger liberranter February 10, 2019 12:47 AM  

@31

I'm as curious as the next guy to see how/to what extent GDPR will be enforced in the U.S. As for EU leverage in "incentivizing" the USDOJ and judiciary to "play ball," it might ultimately come down to economics. How much money would Corporate Amerika stand to lose if it faced sanctions from EU nations over its failure to protect European citizens' data?

Blogger Tupla-J February 10, 2019 2:46 AM  

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Blogger Tupla-J February 10, 2019 2:48 AM  

It makes accessing it more difficult. Oh well, let's hope the situation gets better in the near future.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei February 10, 2019 3:01 AM  

Well then, let's leave the financial incentives aside and ask: who among our grand corporate overlords is going to go to bat for a hive of blasphemous wrongthinkers? This is the perfect opportunity for de-platforming, "You're breaking the law! Sure, not American law, but a law nonetheless!"

So, if it's found that the foreign judgment was the result of government acts that violate (for instance) our right to free speech, it wouldn't be enforced by our courts.

So their sucktastic defence of our constitutional rights right here in River City will magically reverse itself if them damn dirty furriners stick their pushy noses in? I would not count on the courts saving you.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov February 10, 2019 3:49 AM  

@29

So the assurances that GDPR will not affect small or up-and-coming business was a lie?

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 10, 2019 4:22 AM  

@12 Leo, your theory is talking as if Democrats had any interest in protecting this country from chaos and social upheaval. But those conditions are precisely what they've been stoking since President Trump's election. This is the party of Maxine Waters, who told her supporters to mob Trump's cabinet whenever they're seen in public. They are not interested in preserving the peace.

Blogger AdognamedOp February 10, 2019 5:07 AM  

No Eurotrash? Kool. Sign me up!

Blogger Markku February 10, 2019 6:19 AM  

But what's their enforcement mechanism?

EU companies cannot do business with you. For example in case of Microsoft, no copies of Windows could be sold in EU.

Blogger Markku February 10, 2019 6:20 AM  

Yordan Yordanov wrote:@29

So the assurances that GDPR will not affect small or up-and-coming business was a lie?


Of course they were lies. Don't be naive.

Blogger VD February 10, 2019 6:44 AM  

I wouldn't bet a pile of my own money on this until someone else takes it to court and proves it right, and no one else is willing to either.

Which is the same conclusion many US companies have made and why they have simply blocked access to EU users. It's less that the EU is out to get anyone - no one has been charged under the regulation yet - and more the complete level of uncertainty.

WhatsApp was fined $1 million under the Dutch predecessor of this law, however, so it's not a completely hypothetical risk.

Blogger InformationMerchant February 10, 2019 6:45 AM  

Are we likely to see a similar thing in future when link tax, copyright, hate speech and other EU laws make compliance impossible? The EU dream of every website breaking the law is on track.

Blogger Slagenthor February 10, 2019 8:19 AM  

No doubt. I just went through this at work. GDPR requires you to protect identifying information for employees and customers. Explicitly deciding which people need to have access to what is part of that.

Blogger JG February 10, 2019 8:37 AM  

GDPR is an example of a regulation designed to make everyone doing business a criminal, so that company can be selectively prosecuted if you violate the narrative.

Blogger Ford Prefect February 10, 2019 9:03 AM  

Thanks for the info. Absolutely mind-boggling. All the more reason to pronounce "EU" as "ewww".

Blogger Banjo February 10, 2019 10:16 AM  

Might not be apples to apples since they are a huge conglomerate with data centers everywhere, but Google was fined last month 50M for violating the GDPR: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/google-fined-57m-after-france-finds-violations-of-new-eu-privacy-law/?amp=1

Blogger Desillusionerad February 10, 2019 1:07 PM  

GDPR is likely to spread to the us anyway - all large actors are forced to comply, incentivizing them to make sure the us has comparable laws to ensure no local competitors gets around it.
However badly done this law is (though I grant you I'm unsure how it could be made better) at least it's combating the orvelian surveillance aparatus.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov February 10, 2019 1:36 PM  

@47 How is it combating the Orwellian apparatus? It's stopping companies from data mining, it isn't stopping the government from monitoring you (anything the government wants to track, will be allowed) or Big Tech from no-personing you.

Blogger liberranter February 10, 2019 4:21 PM  

@44

But of course.

ALL regulatory systems are designed to both enable selective enforcement of the laws AND exempt governments from following these same laws. In my three-day GDPR introduction course, which included some pretty extensive reading of the regulation (and its numerous recitals) itself, I don't recall reading anything that specifically addressed requirements for the EU Parliament itself or any of the EU member nation governments to abide by the regulation or face penalties for violating it. Then again, I always have found the notion that European governments will be more respectful of citizen rights and privacy than the U.S. government to be laughably absurd, simply given the legal and constitutional histories of said governments (which is of course certainly not to say that the U.S. government is practicing what its Bill of Rights preaches).

Blogger tz February 10, 2019 5:47 PM  

Who/What is Fediway and Hope Holdings?

Blogger VD February 10, 2019 6:48 PM  

Fediway is the technology provider. They developed the technology and provide the server for SocialGalactic.

Blogger bobby February 10, 2019 7:32 PM  

"Which is the same conclusion many US companies have made and why they have simply blocked access to EU users."

It also occurs to me that I'm assuming a USA base for SocialGalactic's ownership interests. I guess some people might also reside in non-USA places - maybe even EU places. ;)

Blogger James Dixon February 10, 2019 8:36 PM  

> We request that you do not discuss various means of attempting to circumnavigate our compliance with the EU's General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 here or on SocialGalactic.

Seriously, anyone who has to discuss it here or there isn't tall enough for the ride anyway. The workarounds are obvious.

Blogger Desillusionerad February 11, 2019 6:03 AM  

The odds of using goverment power to restrain the goverment is weak I agree - but I at least partly trust the goverment, I positively distrust companies.

Blogger InformationMerchant February 11, 2019 4:56 PM  

@53 True, but the most basic workarounds used to read US news didn't work to view Vox's profile. I wouldn't expect everyone to use good workarounds when there are so many quick/bad/easy workarounds. I hope SocialGalactic 2.0 takes inspiration from the local US news sites on this issue because it's far safer for everyone on there to be out of reach of governments with hate speech laws.


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Desillusionerad:

@54

You're either too trusting or too fond of blanket statements. There are a small number of companies you can trust, but I don't blame you for not trusting any. Trusting governments though? The governments that betray their people constantly, from the western population replacements to the eastern mass democides.

Twitter may ban you for tweeting about child rapists being imported, governments will arrest you for those tweets. Even when I handpick the worst corporations, they can't match governments: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687123/Mother-arrested-children-calling-transgender-woman-man.html The



@47

No, the Orwellian surveillance apparatus is just fine. Google, Facebook, etc still operate in Europe. The governments of the world still have deals with Amazon, Google, etc.

Massive corporations love EU regulations because they're the only ones that can afford to follow them. The option of an individual to decide himself gets removed. If you truly believe the inability to use SocialGalactic but the complete freedom to use Facebook is a sign of a regulation working to combat the the Orwellian surveillance apparatus, I have a bridge to sell you.

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