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Tuesday, February 26, 2019

Bring back the Inquisition

And ban all homosexual priests. Because the Catholic Church is almost completely converged.
Australian Cardinal George Pell, who helped elect popes and ran the Vatican's finances, has been found guilty of sexually assaulting two choirboys, a court said Tuesday, becoming the most senior Catholic cleric ever convicted of child sex crimes.

An Australian court found Pell guilty by a trial jury on one count of sexual abuse and four counts of indecent assault of two boys at Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne in the 1990s.

Pell, now aged 77, was accused of cornering the boys -- then aged 12 and 13 -- in the cathedral's sacristy and forcing them to perform a sex act on him.

The cleric denied all the charges and an initial trial ended with a hung jury in September, but he was convicted on retrial on December 11.
Catholics have to stop trying to defend their church and start fumigating it. With a righteious vengeance.

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Blogger Paddy J S February 26, 2019 9:28 AM  

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Blogger JohnofAustria February 26, 2019 9:29 AM  

No argument from me.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 26, 2019 9:31 AM  

Islam would throw him off a building or collapse a wall upon his head, there is that for ideas on how to handle it.

Blogger Paddy J S February 26, 2019 9:31 AM  

There is substantial doubt about his conviction Vox.
I am a Catholic myself from ground central of the abuse in Ireland. I have grown up in Ireland with the abuse crisis here and seen its devastation I dont doubt many cardinals and bishops and priests sexaully assualting many children and young seminarians. But there is doubt about Pell. https://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article/truth-and-justice-after-the-pell-verdict
This was Written by a Jesuit who disliked Pell.

I do support the idea of an Inquisition though because the church is and has been infiltrated with pervs commies and far worse

Blogger Paddy J S February 26, 2019 9:32 AM  

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Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira February 26, 2019 9:33 AM  

Inquisition 2.0 installing...

Installation complete. Please restart you civilization for the changes to take effect.

Blogger stats February 26, 2019 9:34 AM  

I'm all for cleaning out the stables, but I'm also fairly certain Pell has been convicted because he is a conservative.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 9:37 AM  

Burn them all, false brethren. When the restoration comes in Britain, all those who refuse to repent must be hanged.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 9:40 AM  

@7 Really, pedo wrongly convicted because he is a conservative, you have it backwards. Most conservatives who do nothing conservative are pedophiles.

Blogger Krymneth February 26, 2019 9:43 AM  

If he was convicted wrongly, that may make Vox's proximal point less true, but it would make the global one even more true. If the Catholic Church is not only committing immense sexual immorality and covering it up, but then also arranging to falsely imprison people innocent of it, the situation is even more dire than Vox says.

Blogger Lightning in My Hands February 26, 2019 9:45 AM  

Beware the mutant, the heretic.

Blogger The Cooler February 26, 2019 9:46 AM  

The shelving of purification through pain, as barbaric, was and remains a barbarism.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 26, 2019 9:48 AM  

If there ever was an argument against ORGANIZED religion, the modern Catholic Church is it.

Blogger SAPPER February 26, 2019 9:52 AM  

Islam will dominate because they would never allow this to happen.

Women should not be in leadership
Homosexual men should not be in leadership

Blogger cloom February 26, 2019 9:52 AM  

I saw this at barnhardt.biz

http://www.complicitclergy.com/2019/02/25/deceased-whistleblower-claimed-pope-francis-involved-in-human-trafficking/

Natacha Jaitt, the Argentina whistleblower found dead this past weekend, conducted an interview in April 2018 that some now say may be linked to her death. Jaitt conducted a 20-minute interview with a man named Artyom Reshetnyak who claimed to have evidence linking Gustavo Vera and his friend Jorge Bergoglio (Pope Francis) to criminal activity.

Gustavo Vera is president of an organization called La Alameda. The group’s stated mission is to fight against human trafficking, slave labor, child exploitation, prostitution and drug trafficking.

She discussed the pedophile network on Argentina TV, Sept 2018 here, now dead this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TgHxIdkZls

Blogger Son of Blob February 26, 2019 9:53 AM  

They don't even have the gumption to excommunicate Cuomo and Pelosi for their abortion stances. Cardinal Dolan said and I quote "this is not an appropriate response". So exactly what would be an appropriate response?
So, unfortunately,I doubt anything will be done on a level that will end the predator homosexual infestation within the church.
With ever growing secularism, and the dwindling participation of churchgoers, priest shortages, the will does not appear to be there to do what needs to be done.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 26, 2019 9:55 AM  

Islam would throw him off a building or collapse a wall upon his head, there is that for ideas on how to handle it.
Except no because Islam is the ultimate religion of making things up on the fly.
The idea that Islam is some secret bastion of virtue and traditionalism is not only wrong, but bad rhetoric as it paints a truly vile belief system in a pleasant light.
Islam, the Talmud, and Calvinism are all about shaping the system around your own beliefs.

Blogger The Cooler February 26, 2019 10:01 AM  

This whole Catholic boy-diddler debacle is really quite a shame. Once upon a time, Catholicism was the only way to be a pagan and still have a decent shot at getting into Heaven.

Perhaps the Almighty has... well... changed His mind.

Blogger Johnny February 26, 2019 10:03 AM  

If there is to be another Inquisition it should go by another name and be restricted to the higher levels of the church. It would sell a lot better to the general public if it were done that way.

The Catholic Church by intent is an elitist institution. The social structure resembles what was in place in the Middle Ages and earlier. That is not an automatic flaw, but if it is not to be a flaw the church needs to be capable of self reform, and apparently it isn't. At least not so far.

Blogger wreckage February 26, 2019 10:05 AM  

I am not Catholic, I am deeply suspicious of its hierarchy, but the Pell conviction stinks. After all the inquiries, after all the hubbub, one guy guilty of one incident, and a bizarre incident at that.

Word is the lavender mafia hated Pell's guts. And we know pedos are repeat offenders.

Except the ONE they manage to convict on ONE incident just happens to not be a repeat offender nor in on any form of organized trafficking?

This ain't right. Maybe he is guilty, maybe he is guilty, but... this could hardly get wronger. This stinks of malevolent evil, it's got the hairs on my neck standing on end. Maybe that's from Pell, except.... one incident. One non-violent incident. No trafficking, no conspirators, he acted alone, your honour!

Nope, nope, nope.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 26, 2019 10:08 AM  

"Islam would throw him off a building or collapse a wall upon his head, there is that for ideas on how to handle it.
Except no because Islam is the ultimate religion of making things up on the fly.
The idea that Islam is some secret bastion of virtue and traditionalism is not only wrong, but bad rhetoric as it paints a truly vile belief system in a pleasant light.
Islam, the Talmud, and Calvinism are all about shaping the system around your own beliefs."

@Mr.MantraMan @Ransom Smith
Yeah, powerful Muslims rape boys all the time. Bacha bazi, etc. This idea that Islam is some sort of anti-homosexual bastion has to end.

Blogger wreckage February 26, 2019 10:11 AM  

I have to laugh at the people thinking Islam would never allow this to happen. Sure; the Imam would never be convicted in court, you're right. Abuse of boys is absolutely endemic to Islam in several of its regional variants. Not merely covered up, but practiced openly as a normal social custom. Hell, the Catholic Church was largely responsible for its elimination from pagan Europe!
How are the mighty fallen!

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 26, 2019 10:11 AM  

Whether George Pell was railroaded because conservative I do not know.

But if he was railroaded, the geniuses who did it have only whetted our collective appetite for more trials and convictions of pedophile priests.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 26, 2019 10:13 AM  

The only thing that can be done is build alternate institutions and hope the Papal line reemerges somehow like Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. There are alternative institutions such as the SSPX, SSPV, and CMRI. Unfortunately, the SSPX has proven to be itself vulnerable to convergence, which is why the American trads in the other two groups, like Bp. Sanborn and Fr. Cekada, have insisted on decentralization.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 26, 2019 10:14 AM  

Sorry about making comments about Islam, it was a joke when it would have been best not to have made the comment.

Blogger Ray - SoCal February 26, 2019 10:19 AM  

Sounds like a sacrificial lamb.

With repressed memories and such, I wonder on his conviction. Without knowing the details, this sounds too convenient.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 26, 2019 10:22 AM  

Been saying it for a few years: they cleaned out lots of low-level priest molesters, but almost no bishops or higher-ups. It was ridiculous to think the superiors of molesters weren't just as bad, if not worse, since they had more power to cover for themselves. Keeping them in place guaranteed the problem would be back, especially once they elected homo-friendly Frank.

A "conservative" in the Vatican church is approximately the same as a "conservative" now in American politics: someone who is on board with all or most of the revolution that's been going since the mid 20th century, but would like to slow down a bit. You see the same pattern over and over: what they said would never happen 10 years ago, they grudgingly allow today, and will celebrate in another decade. The Catholics who rejected the Modernist revolution have already been kicked out of the Vatican organization or left voluntarily, much like Sobran or Derbyshire being purged from NR.

Blogger GM February 26, 2019 10:25 AM  

Just like honest Westerners sooner or later end up alt-Right, honest Catholics are moving towards Deus Vult. Many Catholic conservatives have been getting red-pilled hard this past year. Taylor Marshall, for example, went quickly from JPII fan to anti-Vatican II traditionalist. His interviews with McCarrick victim James Grein are great.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 26, 2019 10:32 AM  

Toss out the gay priests first. Then toss out the feminist Nuns. 90% of the problems solved.

Blogger JBurgess February 26, 2019 10:42 AM  

The gay priests are a good step one, but the Jesuit order needs to be outlawed again too, then they need to get rid of their blasphemous worship of the virgin Mary, and the so called saints.

Hmm, it seems more like they need another reformation: one that tells Rome to shove it, once and for all.

Blogger Ingemar February 26, 2019 10:42 AM  

Ann Barnhardt likens the Vatican to a Taco Bell restaurant that has to be incinerated due to a massive cockroach infestation.

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/10/02/the-parable-of-the-taco-bell/

Also, the point of accepting homosexuals into seminary is so that one day the Vatican would be full of Theodore McCarricks.

Blogger Garuna February 26, 2019 10:43 AM  

Islam is preferable to faggotized Christianity. And it's not even close.

I've lived all over the West and the Middle East. Right-wing Westerners are sometimes impressed by Islam. Right-wing Muslim Middle Easterners are NEVER impressed by faggotized Christianity.

There is a reason that is so.

Blogger xevious2030 February 26, 2019 10:45 AM  

I’m Roman Catholic, and yes, there is a lot of house cleaning to do, to remove a huge amount of infiltration by Satan. And a proper Inquisition would be a good start.

To the petty, here is some petty in return. If it has not been for the Catholic Church preserving and expanding Christianity (perfectly/imperfectly) for at the very least 1,500 years, all you Protestants would still be European pagans dancing around Maypoles. Not exactly the work of Satan, a "house divided" and all that Truth.

Blogger Lovekraft February 26, 2019 10:48 AM  

Until the structure that forces organizations to be 'inclusive' under severe legal threat is dismantled, it will continue.

Blogger Dr. J February 26, 2019 10:48 AM  

The Catholic church went off the rails when they edited and reordered the ten commandments. Adulterate the only part of the Bible that God wrote himself at your peril.

Blogger Lovekraft February 26, 2019 10:49 AM  

I jump on the Catholic-hate bandwagon only after Mosques and Synagogues are given the same treatment.

Blogger Blunt Force February 26, 2019 10:49 AM  

One cannot defends one's nation while neglecting the faith that inspired it. In 500 hundred years the Protestants,with their new found freedom to interpret scripture however they see fit, have taken a big shit on what Catholics preserved with treasure and blood for 1500.

Characters Of The Inquisition William Walsh


Martin Luther, the Devil and Denominations

Blogger Maniac February 26, 2019 10:51 AM  

"Catholics have to stop trying to defend their church and start fumigating it."

Or just make a hasty exodus from it altogether, since it's one of the most heretical denominations of the faith.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 26, 2019 10:53 AM  

Pell found something going on at the Vatican Bank and was going to talk, so Jorge and friends threw him to the wolves with the accusations in Australia.

I echo the sentiments upthread: they never should have lifted the suppression of the Jesuit order. Too damned worldly to the detriment of millions of souls.

Blogger matism February 26, 2019 10:55 AM  

Lovecraft nailed it.

Blogger Xellos February 26, 2019 11:00 AM  

Garuna wrote:Islam is preferable to faggotized Christianity.

Mohammed's 9 year old wife approves, all the muzzie buttboys also approve. /s

How about simply no child abuse? Radical thought.

Blogger Maorio February 26, 2019 11:01 AM  

should start sending them small grindstones with a piece of rope attached to it with directions to the closest deep body of water and a note saying "do as Jesus said"

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 26, 2019 11:19 AM  

@30, You'll be glad to know that the modern Vatican pays as little attention to Mary as possible. They seem rather embarrassed by her, actually. They've even created a new Mary-free devotional, the Divine Mercy, so you'll have something different to do with your rosary beads.

Obviously, this has greatly improved the Church. Without so much respect given to a woman, the Church is now much more masculine and patriarchal, especially compared to the Middle Ages when devotion to Mary was at its peak.

Blogger xevious2030 February 26, 2019 11:19 AM  

@39 and @42

Yep, the Suppression should have never been lifted, and the administration should have not been so resistant to enact it to begin with. Whatever elsewhere, they have been a millstone around the neck for a very long time, often for the description surrounding the millstone, and it would be wise if they met with the same conclusion prescribed as a betterment.

Blogger Matt February 26, 2019 11:25 AM  

"And ban all homosexual priests."

It's worth thinking about how this all starts. A young man who was abused as a child and seems a little effeminate wants to become a priest. He seems kind, devout and, in his own way, charismatic. But he's obviously gay. You think, what's the problem? After all, priests are celibate; who cares who they are not having sex with?

After a while, more and more gay priests are ordained. They become pastors, vicars-general, bishops and, eventually, cardinals. Gay priests look for other gay priests and help them get ahead. Fifty years pass, and all the priests seem a little off.

And now you're stuck. Vocations are down (no heterosexual Catholic man would ever want to be a priest), so much so that you are importing priests in from India, Nigeria and Latin America. The only native English speaking priests who are qualified to be pastors are the aging gay priests. So you look the other way when a priest shares a condo with his "friend" and hope for the best. You'll make a big show of disowning the worst offenders, but minor stuff can be ignored, right? Fr. Gay promised to stop being so touchy with the seminarians.

And on it goes. More scandals pop up, fewer vocations happen, more Catholics leave the Church, and all the while the priesthood gets more and more gay. But remember how this whole mess started: you felt pity on a gay young man and decided to bend the rules a little.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 26, 2019 11:30 AM  

Catholic laity "in the know" have scrambled to enclaves of the Latin Mass, where priests are not as likely to be effeminate deviants. Meanwhile, Churchian laity who don't care about any of this remain in emasculated parishes, worship at the bastardized Novus Ordo Mass, and continue to ignore the fact that these men in the hierarchy have taken God's authority hostage.

Church Militant TV has been a good YouTube channel to follow through all of this. They even interviewed Milo recently.

Blogger c0pperheaded February 26, 2019 11:31 AM  

I see a schism in the Church's future dividing on the homo question.

Blogger Warunicorn February 26, 2019 11:31 AM  

JBurgess wrote:The gay priests are a good step one, but the Jesuit order needs to be outlawed again too, then they need to get rid of their blasphemous worship of the virgin Mary, and the so called saints.

Hmm, it seems more like they need another reformation: one that tells Rome to shove it, once and for all.


It's not just the commie-like Jesuits (*spit*). The laymen in Mexico worship "St. Death."

People just can't get their orders straight when it comes to faith in Christ. I always default to MPAI now because of things like it.

I say that as someone who seriously thought about entering the priesthood years ago...and then I heard echoes of the abuse and homosexuality. Since I'm a firebrand when it comes to faith, I decided not to pursue it since I feared I would actually burn down the rectory.

(Note that I'm near Ground Zero as far as the scandals go---Boston.)

Blogger c0pperheaded February 26, 2019 11:32 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:Catholic laity "in the know" have scrambled to enclaves of the Latin Mass, where priests are not as likely to be effeminate deviants. Meanwhile, Churchian laity who don't care about any of this remain in emasculated parishes, worship at the bastardized Novus Ordo Mass, and continue to ignore the fact that these men in the hierarchy have taken God's authority hostage.

Church Militant TV has been a good YouTube channel to follow through all of this. They even interviewed Milo recently.


Agreed

Blogger MightyKevster February 26, 2019 11:33 AM  

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Blogger MightyKevster February 26, 2019 11:35 AM  

"...start fumigating it." Agreed. Fumigation would be a wonderful application of 1 Cor. 5.

Blogger Latigo3 February 26, 2019 11:43 AM  

The church should have dealt with this issue, because it has not now the Civil authorities are dealing with it.

Blogger Matt February 26, 2019 11:45 AM  

I hope that you are right that the Latin Mass communities are safe. Unfortunately, it's hard to believe. Remember, the Legion of Christ held/holds itself out as one of the last strongholds of true, militant Catholicism. Marcial Maciel was a pedophile.

Blogger Ferdinand February 26, 2019 11:51 AM  

Indeed. I would also argue for ending celibacy for priests in catholicism. The reasons of negative population control and keeping church property in the hand of the organization, not the individual are not relevant today. Priests with families and many kids could be boons to the catholic communities everywhere and help catholic births in Europe and generally get some talent back into the population. If you contrast Protestant Germany with Catholic Germany, many of the great artists and thinkers stemmed from priestly families in the protestant areas, while in the catholic area those genes were lost. If you want to make a statement against homosexuality, the best one to make is to propagate marriage and families. Sexual and familial morality are important pillars of christianity, so I would like for priests to be able to set a good example, not only a negative one.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 26, 2019 11:54 AM  

Believing Catholics need no solution from Islam, converged SJW "laws", Muh Constitution or anyplace else. Application of a wonderful Latin phrase from their own tradition will address the issue perfectly:

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Some have noted that Pell was a "conservative". We all should know what that means by now. The fact that they convicted him smells of controlled burn - especially in light of the untimely demise of witness Natacha Jaitt in the massive pedo operation run by Bergolglio's butt-buddy Gustavo Vera down in Evitaland.

Blogger Ryan G February 26, 2019 11:54 AM  

Why are priests still required to remain celibate? It seems to me that this problem could be partially mitigated by giving priests a sexual outlet in the form of marriage.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no scriptural reason to be celibate. I learned (though admittedly could be mistaken) that celibacy was instituted for secular, political reasons; namely keeping Church lands in the hands of the Church.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 26, 2019 12:03 PM  

"I hope that you are right that the Latin Mass communities are safe. Unfortunately, it's hard to believe. Remember, the Legion of Christ held/holds itself out as one of the last strongholds of true, militant Catholicism. Marcial Maciel was a pedophile."

@Matt
The Legion of Christ was part of the mainstream converged church. The outfits I mentioned aren't... except the SSPX's converged (or, at best, cucked) leadership keeps trying to get into the Vatican's good graces.

Blogger Azimus February 26, 2019 12:07 PM  

The only thing that will change is that they will no longer make the mistake of letting the children live...

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 26, 2019 12:15 PM  

@53. "I hope that you are right that the Latin Mass communities are safe."

Theyre not. I was describing how the laity has been responding to Churchianity and abuse in the Catholic Church.

There's always the possibility that deviants moved into the Trad community as well. But in America, it seems the most uncorrupted priests moved to Latin. Those stuck in the Novus Ordo try to restore their masses to an ad orientum style.

And then, there are those priests persecuted by their own bishops, such as Fr. Treco, who lose their parish assignments or are even threatened with excommunication for speaking out against the rot.

Blogger James Dixon February 26, 2019 12:16 PM  

My heart grieves for the faithful amongst the Roman Catholics who have to deal with this mess.

It's beginning to look like the removal of everyone above the priest level and over half the priests is going to be required to clean things up.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 26, 2019 12:17 PM  

Barnhardt has tons of stuff on the whole mess in Catholicism and it's worth a read even if you're not a Catholic just for the insight into how SJWs infiltrate and converge even a huge and ancient institution.

*More on "Pope" Bergolglio and his endless connections with Lavender Mafia, etc.

There are also some reports there on how the Lavender Mafia have also infiltrated the Traditional Mass Catholics. Barnhardt puts the start of Sodomite infiltration in the 1920s (just after the Bolshevik takeover of Russia). Others have put in further back - in the wake of the Vatican's finances being taken over by the (((Rosthschilds))) in the mid-19th century.

Blogger Gettimothy February 26, 2019 12:18 PM  

"Islam would throw him off a building or collapse a wall upon his head, "

Defenestration

Blogger tz February 26, 2019 12:21 PM  

Sodomitre.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 26, 2019 12:21 PM  

If being Hung drawn and quartered, is applicable for treason, what punishment would suffice a fallen priest. The question should perhaps be ultimately redundant. I remember watching a part of a documentary on "The Tower" that they'd cut the nuts off too, they'd be dead at this point, was purely symbolic.

The Earl of Hardwicke managed to convict someone of treason, thought that was pretty ace, especially with lack of evidence and much forensic oratory skill. Too much ego perhaps, but it entertains me, knowing a bit about what ancestors did.

Also the rebel leaders that could be apprehended hanged during the Culloden Rebellion. Contracts put out on the escapee Stuart exiles, the Dutch even declared war on them to fulfil the contracts, might be getting confused though, heard about a peace treaty in the news about 3 to 4 months ago where the Netherlands was still technically at war with one of the channel islands and hadn't declared peace.

Lowlanders sentenced to death, commuted to exile.

Any Inquisitorial stories?
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Has anyone here actually had an experience of God or Jesus Christ?

Might be too personal a question. Panthiestic/cosmic kind of feeling as a very young child, perhaps recognised as an oceanic personality in adults.

As second hand anecdote, I have heard an experience relate to someone I knew to be devout Christian, close to me, and not known to lie. Who felt he had an experience of Christ when he survived a plane crash. When I heard the story originally. without hesitation I thought he was delusional from being set on fire. Now I'm not so sure.

Maybe reality is like some kind Pantheistic Sandbox mode, perhaps with god/debug mode(Enlightenment). I have tried to entertain the belief in search of truth, perhaps peace of mind, but what I see is evil.

Blogger cloom February 26, 2019 12:35 PM  

@30 The Hail Mary prayer is not meant to be worship of a saint, but a request for the Saint to pray to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for us.

It is an angel declaration directly from Luke 1:28 and 1:41.

And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

All such declarative prayers end with "pray for us", a contrast with a prayer to Jesus Christ which does not say "pray for us" as he is worshiped as Son of God, Father and Holy Spirit, the triune God, known as such by us Catholic Christians.

Blogger Krymneth February 26, 2019 12:41 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke, you do not need to passively wait for something to happen to you. Pray to the God you don't entirely believe in, and ask to be introduced. I don't guarantee an instant answer, but there will be one.

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-testimony-of-john-c-wright.html?m=1

Blogger Jack Amok February 26, 2019 12:48 PM  

My heart grieves for the faithful amongst the Roman Catholics who have to deal with this mess.

Same here, but there are a few commenters making me reconsider my compassion. All of you defending Catholicism against Protestantism, stop. That's not the question. Your church has a major problem. Deal with it and stop distracting yourselves from the task at hand by badmouthing other faiths. Motes and beams, y'know.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 26, 2019 12:49 PM  

"There's always the possibility that deviants moved into the Trad community as well."

@Laramie Hirsch
Of course they try. The CMRI actually expelled one of its founders back in the '80s upon finding out he was a sodomite. Kinda helps when the folks in the institution are trying to be actual Catholics rather than liberals / SJWs.

Blogger Birdman February 26, 2019 1:05 PM  

I'm kind of skeptic about pell also there's a lot of false accusations against priest, that's it's very hard to know the truth

Blogger Birdman February 26, 2019 1:07 PM  

A what?

Blogger Birdman February 26, 2019 1:09 PM  

And what's the point?

Blogger Birdman February 26, 2019 1:11 PM  

The jesuits used to be cool also the saints and mary let them, idc. I really respect the catholics of what they done in historical term

Blogger Birdman February 26, 2019 1:13 PM  

Nope, not really i think most of those herectical denominations are the protestant. Weird that you prots never mentioned the Orthodox

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 26, 2019 1:15 PM  

Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 26, 2019 1:15 PM  

Look, the Orthodox Church in Russia had a 96% burn rate after 1917. It was a harsh century for them. However, that remnant seems to be roaring back with strength. No one is proposing to torture pedophile priests to death. People want them out of the priesthood, and then subject to whatever local laws abound. The remaining 4% have the same tools to rebuild as the Orthodox, in a far less criminally contaminated fashion.

As a Protestant, I pray for the Catholics I know, and for the health of the church, because one prays for one's neighbors.

Also, as a Protestant, all the Catholics getting excited about Protestant errors: stay in your own lane. We had wars to not be Catholic. If you look at the map around the Mediterranean, there are regions that were Christian before Catholicism crystallized into its current form: very few of these regions became Catholic, very few remained Catholic when they had a chance to be literally anything else. Protestants risked their lives in lands full of cannibal savages to be safe away from you. Stop trying to make Fetch happen, as Mean Girls say.

Blogger Birdman February 26, 2019 1:18 PM  

The same as prots too against Catholics

Blogger VD February 26, 2019 1:21 PM  

To the petty, here is some petty in return. If it has not been for the Catholic Church preserving and expanding Christianity (perfectly/imperfectly) for at the very least 1,500 years, all you Protestants would still be European pagans dancing around Maypoles. Not exactly the work of Satan, a "house divided" and all that Truth.

This sort of bullshit is precisely why even those of us who are sympathetic to the Catholic Church as an institution despise every single Catholic who tries to "defend" it with every new revelation of a pedophile priest. That's not petty, that's defending pedophiles.

Now shut the fuck up and clean your house!

Did you see me pointing the finger at anyone but the Southern Baptists when the news of the sex crimes in Houston came out? Of course not! How do you think any crime committed by anyone of any religious persuasion lessens the crimes of the Roman Catholic Church one iota?

Stop defending your church and start fumigating it.

Blogger VD February 26, 2019 1:22 PM  

All of you defending Catholicism against Protestantism, stop.

(nods)

Blogger Roaring Imp February 26, 2019 1:23 PM  

@65 A request for Mary to pray for us is what is heretical.

Hebrews 7:25 - Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through [Jesus Christ], because he always lives to intercede for them.

1 John 2:1 - My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

Acts 4:12 - Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

We are to pray to Jesus Christ only. Scripture is clear that He is our intercessor, and no one else. It's one thing to recognize what is said about His mother Mary in Scripture, it's another to try to elevate her to the position Scripture says is Jesus' only.

Blogger Dox Day Teddy Spagetthhi February 26, 2019 1:32 PM  

The 'programming is operating (otherwise known as Pure Evil)' in every example via mere current events that Vox covered.

Bioweps/fire; whatever will help the younger generations have a world, a hope in the Lord, a future. I do not know God' mind it appears it watches and waits and hears/is aware.

In jest, the RCC will red tape a man and woman wanting to marry but for a gay couple no problem for them, red carpet, free cakes, which isn't true, of course weddings cost money, of course I can be wrong its just my observation that white Christian/secular men andwomen are treated terribly in MSM, TV, movies, the culture, American cut-lure is ugly and revolting to repulsive.

Desmond The Amazinggg via his freak trendy parents might send their kids to the RCC, its a step up from what his parents did to him -

We are at the place or near there; cats are now dogs and dogs are now cats.

Blogger Unknown February 26, 2019 1:32 PM  

I stopped trying to defend my church very shortly after Pope Francis came on scene. The faster we eradicate these satanic vermin the better!!!

Blogger The Cooler February 26, 2019 1:40 PM  

There's like, what, 26,481,737 saints? No pagan gods hidden in there. Nope. lol

Okay, I'm done.

Blogger Dox Day Teddy Spagetthhi February 26, 2019 1:50 PM  

These popes are absurd, AGW, other examples, all scented in sulfur. It would be hilarious for him to meet with Lady Cortez, it might happen, who knows.

Who can do apologetics for either side the Protestants and the RCC both equate to no help for the Caucasian woman, we have to go to the gov't for everything so really both churches, evil and the overlords all "won" like ps 73.

Going to the Lord and staying in his presence, prayerful or just content with ones lot or daily bread is enough grief for one day.

Blogger Pope Cleophus I February 26, 2019 1:53 PM  

Islam? Are you kidding me? They dress young boys up and sodomize them! What rock have you been living under?

I agree with your second two points.

Blogger Gettimothy February 26, 2019 1:56 PM  

@79 you are missing the distinction between asking a saint to pray for us vs praying to the saint.

The Catholic argument I have heard states firstly that God is the God of the Living. That means that every Christian is alive in Him, even those who have passed on.

Secondly, do you ever ask your brethren to pray for you? I do. By the logic of the first premise, asking our brethren beside us to pray for us is no different than asking our brethren in Heaven to pray for us.

Surely Mary is alive in Heaven and asking her to pray for us is not a sin.

I was asking that Argentine prostitute who was murdered for exposing the satanic practices to pray for me. She died for the truth. She is an admirable woman, now in heaven (my belief, no don't give me the RC ecclesiastical stuff on why she is not, I think RC's are wrong on that).


In peace.

Blogger Instinctive Bear February 26, 2019 2:02 PM  

Azimus wrote:The only thing that will change is that they will no longer make the mistake of letting the children live...

At least the victims wouldn't grow up to become perpetrators in the cycle of abuse

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 26, 2019 2:27 PM  

It's hard to fix a problem, or keep it from recurring, if we don't know (or won't admit) the cause. This happened because a lot of communists and homosexuals, and probably a good number of literal satanists, infiltrated the Church through the seminaries and convents in the first half of the 20th century, then began turning away men and women who were too devout and welcomed in more deviants in their place. They have to be recognized and rooted out, top to bottom, and we have to ensure that they can't get back in.

Ending priestly celibacy might be a fine thing to do -- it's a discipline, not a doctrine, so it can be changed by fiat -- but that would be avoiding the real problem, and 10-20 years down the road we'd be wondering why things didn't get any better.

Blogger Dox Day Teddy Spagetthhi February 26, 2019 2:38 PM  

86 Sodomy for legit evil inversion worshipers delight in the drinking blood, killing children. LGBTQWP has gone and pushed too far for too long and their ragnorok evil won't stop.

The Vatican books are like the Feds; private, no audits, stupid people give and give slicing their own throats and then they give their kids to strangers in robes but its cool, daycare, some strange man that takes interest in a single mother of 4 with girls and boys, they DO NOT care about the law, money or kids -

In America, babies are killed over some witches choice meanwhile baby parts and blood or whatever else is sold, who is profiting from this Roe V Wade boomer policy -

A whole lot of people playing both sides is whom profits from all this and they walk, big deal one more loner is arrested, its not enough. It is a disgrace and that Is 'Reprehensible'.

Blogger Warunicorn February 26, 2019 2:47 PM  

Last I checked, priests are allowed to be married in the Eastern (or Byzantine) Rite, but they must already be married and cannot expect to rise above the title of priest. (Cardinals, for example, cannot be married.) Eastern Rite Catholics recognize the authority of the Pope. You can draw parallels with the Orthodox Church, but you all know that the Orthodox do not recognize the Pope due to the schism.

As we all know, the Roman Rite is what "won the day," so to speak, in popularity. No priest can be married in that Rite.

I have no problems with it either way. It is, after all, a discipline. (You're giving up an earthly pleasure for something greater.) The problem is that it's all a SNAFU thanks to men being subject to the wiles of the devil (and thanks to modern society which accepts all the deviancy).

Blogger Johnny February 26, 2019 2:53 PM  

If I got it right, celibacy came in at a time when the public wanted it, and that may have been part of the motive. I don't believe inheritance is an issue because the priest does not have to own anything. Nepotism could develop, but that doesn't seem to be much of a problem either. A downside for local parishioners is that they would likely pick up the cost of raising the family.

If it could be done without provoking public image issues, I would be strongly in favor of easing up on the celibacy issue in industrial societies. Label the first priests to get married as special cases and just see how it turns out.

Blogger R.G. Camara February 26, 2019 3:07 PM  

We're trying. However, the homosexual infestation has been quite planned, thorough, deliberate, and ongoing since the 1930s, all done by the communists: https://infogalactic.com/info/Bella_Dodd#Catholic_Church

This has been a systematic and coordinated corruption on the Church going back nearly 100 years. One should wonder what other coordinated corruption of other institutions have been going on since then by the commies.

Blogger James Dixon February 26, 2019 3:32 PM  

> One should wonder what other coordinated corruption of other institutions have been going on since then by the commies.

The banks, the newspapers, the movies and TV, the schools, the courts, etc., etc., etc. You name it, they've been trying to subvert it.

Blogger weka February 26, 2019 3:43 PM  

Aussie kangaroo court going to convict.

Tbis was alwa6hs political in oz, where the vibrant new Australians hate what theh call angloceltic. And all parts of the church.

Blogger James Dixon February 26, 2019 3:48 PM  

> Same here, but there are a few commenters making me reconsider my compassion. All of you defending Catholicism against Protestantism, stop.

It always happens, Jack. And conciliatory gestures don't help any, I've tried. They only get you attacked by both sides. Even quoting a former Pope doesn't help.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 26, 2019 4:20 PM  

"If the Catholic Church is not only committing immense sexual immorality and covering it up, but then also arranging to falsely imprison people innocent of it, the situation is even more dire than Vox says."

It is worse than VD says. Not only is the leadership committing immense sexual immorality and covering it up, they are committing immense evil in the political arena.

I was reading a right wing Catholic on-line magazine today and the essayist said that if a leftist Catholic used the term "social justice" he meant whatever is the current Democratic Party line. The church has moved leftward as fast as the Empire's government. Both organizations are evil.

But then, my reading of the end times tells me that the Church will be totally consumed by evil. We may be closer to the end than most believe.

Blogger R Devere February 26, 2019 4:32 PM  

"The cleric denied all the charges and an initial trial ended with a hung jury..."
---------------

The question is : Was it a WELL-HUNG jury????

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 26, 2019 4:50 PM  

@95

Mark Stoval is correct, everyone. The situation is far worse than any of you (or I) can imagine. The CC is infiltrated with complete Leftists. That means that we have a cadre of sodomites, communists, and even satanists in control of the CC's levers of power. These men have taken the authority of God hostage.

I've stated what the Catholic laity are doing. They're shifting towards religious communities that have not abandoned purity and holiness. There are good priests who have made this maneuver as well.

As for the evil elements that are in place within the CC, I do not know how this will be resolved. Pope Francis has been revealed to be friendless during the current Sex Synod. He has the support of himself, his sodomite sisters, and naive Catholics who are guilty of true papolatry.

Myself, I am hoping that the U.S. government starts a RICO investigation. At this point, the Catholic Church NEEDS to lose a LOT of wealth for its own good. Because of the sins of the fathers, we're going to be reduced to worship in catacombs and forest tents within the next 50 years.

Blogger Paddy J S February 26, 2019 4:51 PM  

The one good thing about today is seeing many Catholics of all sides recognise what a joke that trial was. The liberal elite were always going to try Pell unfairly

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 26, 2019 4:52 PM  

Whoops.

*Pope Francis has been revealed to be friendless during the current Sex Synod. He has the support of himself, his sodomite sisters, and naive Catholics who are guilty of true papolatry. But the rest of the world can now see right through what's going on.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 26, 2019 5:15 PM  

Your denomination needs Jesus. Jesus does not need your denomination. That's true, regardless of which denomination is yours.

Blogger xevious2030 February 26, 2019 5:25 PM  

I’m sorry (apology). My “petty” was not directed at you Vox, or your post. Your post is spot on.

I agree 100% about fumigating it. “There is a lot of house cleaning to do, to remove a huge amount of infiltration by Satan. And a proper Inquisition would be a good start.” My very words from the exact same post, #33. Meaning of the infiltration in the Catholic hierarchy, since that was the topic. The amount of fumigation that needs to be done is disgusting.

Since the part of my post you quoted looks like (taking the responses) it is pointing the finger at anyone, specifically anti-Protestant, I am sorry, I should have written a better post, and I screwed up. That much is on me.

My “petty” was focused on “Once upon a time, Catholicism was the only way to be a pagan and still have a decent shot at getting into Heaven.” It was on the misplaced notion of a bunch of pagans spreading of the Good News for 1,500 years.

Blogger Julie Dyal February 26, 2019 6:00 PM  

My “petty” was focused on “Once upon a time, Catholicism was the only way to be a pagan and still have a decent shot at getting into Heaven.” It was on the misplaced notion of a bunch of pagans spreading of the Good News for 1,500 years.

Clearly, Catholics weren't pagans for 1,500 years. They were the prototypes of today's globalists and imperialists.

Which doesn't necessarily say anything about their doctrine, for what it's worth. But corrupt leadership has a been an obvious--in fact, often blatantly so--problem with the Catholic Church for more than 1,500 years too.

Blogger Sean Carnegie February 26, 2019 6:01 PM  

Same here, but there are a few commenters making me reconsider my compassion. All of you defending Catholicism against Protestantism, stop.

They can't help themselves. After being pounded over the head for the past 500 years about their errors (Papism, Maryology, etc.), it's just reflex.

Forget the fact that their pope is allegedly infallible and the goalposts for that keep swaying like a Meadowlands afternoon.

Blogger The Cooler February 26, 2019 6:09 PM  

@101 Your quasi-Strawman is gay and your religion lurks demons and pagan gods of anti-Christian despondency -- it always has. They will out; they are outing.

Now go clean up your boy-diddler-infested religion that is unlikely to survive another 20 years let alone another 1,500.

Blogger J.M. February 26, 2019 6:16 PM  

Ryan G wrote:Why are priests still required to remain celibate? It seems to me that this problem could be partially mitigated by giving priests a sexual outlet in the form of marriage.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no scriptural reason to be celibate. I learned (though admittedly could be mistaken) that celibacy was instituted for secular, political reasons; namely keeping Church lands in the hands of the Church.


Most of the abuse is of homosexual nature (> 85 %). I doubt a celibacy free priesthood would have helped much.

The celibacy requirement was there for two reasons one material (namely keeping Church goods in the hands of the church) and scriptural, Jesus himself said: "For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it" Mathew 19:12. Unless the Lord himself wanted homos and pedos it's pretty obvious He would not put a condition that would ensure that such people were to prey on his flock.

Moreover there is one more aspect: Practicality: Who is more suited to go and preach to the heathens risking his own life: The celibate priest who is committed to die if necessary for the expansion of the Gospel in far away lands where religious tolerance and sanitation are not common or the married man who in the best case scenario would put not only himself but his wife and children in harms way? After reading the testimonies of some protestant missionaries who took their families to those Sh*tholes on the other side of the world in previous eras, I cannot feel pity for them or admire them since they literally killed their families or at least put them in harms way.

Tldr IMHO: A "sedentary" priest should be able to get married, a missionary priest, a monk etc. no.

Blogger J.M. February 26, 2019 6:18 PM  

J.M. wrote:fter reading the testimonies of some protestant missionaries who took their families to those Sh*tholes on the other side of the world in previous eras, I cannot feel pity for them or admire them since some of them literally killed their families or at least put them in harms way.

Now it's corrected.

Blogger J.M. February 26, 2019 6:19 PM  

Julie Dyal wrote:Clearly, Catholics weren't pagans for 1,500 years. They were the prototypes of today's globalists and imperialists.



I guess preaching the Word of God is imperialism now, after all all religions are equal and all that/sarc

Blogger J.M. February 26, 2019 6:25 PM  

VD wrote:To the petty, here is some petty in return. If it has not been for the Catholic Church preserving and expanding Christianity (perfectly/imperfectly) for at the very least 1,500 years, all you Protestants would still be European pagans dancing around Maypoles. Not exactly the work of Satan, a "house divided" and all that Truth.

This sort of bullshit is precisely why even those of us who are sympathetic to the Catholic Church as an institution despise every single Catholic who tries to "defend" it with every new revelation of a pedophile priest. That's not petty, that's defending pedophiles.

Now shut the fuck up and clean your house!

Did you see me pointing the finger at anyone but the Southern Baptists when the news of the sex crimes in Houston came out? Of course not! How do you think any crime committed by anyone of any religious persuasion lessens the crimes of the Roman Catholic Church one iota?

Stop defending your church and start fumigating it.


After reading the comments, the problem is not so much that cath commenters are defending a corrupt institution rife with pedo, communists and worse but that prots are attacking the doctrine and later on claiming that cath are defending the organization when they answer back. Organization and doctrine are not the same...

Blogger J.M. February 26, 2019 6:33 PM  

To all the Catholics here: The situation is worse than you can imagine just as Laramie Hirsch said, and the great battle must be fought. You want to make a difference? Start flocking towards like-minded people in your religious community and get out of the Novus ordo church (NOC for short). The NOC is not christian, doesn't respect you and wants you dead if you are a traditionalist in any form. DOCTRINE is what must be upheld. The church is the people of God who adhere to the good doctrine, not the structures, the statues, the material trappings or the bureaucrats that make it up. Not even the centuries old vast reserves of knowledge and the glories of the past.

You want Deus Volt and Inquisition 2.0? the base must be rebuilt. Without a base none of those things can came to life. Only exiting the building can one burn it down and build something better. Start rejecting anything from 1958 onward...

Blogger Nate February 26, 2019 6:55 PM  

I would like to spike the football.

WE JUST MADE METHODISM GREAT AGAIN

Blogger stevo February 26, 2019 7:48 PM  

Anne Barnhardt is my favorite Catholic commentator. She gets it

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 26, 2019 7:51 PM  

@110, Nate, I'm happy the vote went the way it did, but from the outside, it looks as if they just held off the poz for a while longer.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 26, 2019 7:55 PM  

" but that prots are attacking the doctrine and later on claiming that cath are defending the organization when they answer back. Organization and doctrine are not the same..."

Thread winner, at least regarding Protestant vs Catholic subthread.

Blogger Desdichado February 26, 2019 7:56 PM  

J.M. wrote:I guess preaching the Word of God is imperialism now, after all all religions are equal and all that/sarc
That's definitely one of the worst straw man smoke screens I've had the misfortune to see in these comments in a long time. If you don't think the Catholics didn't spend the majority of the first 1,000 years of their existence, up until the Protestant Reformation showed them that they couldn't pretend to be the only game in town anymore, engaging in Imperialism and the wielding of political power, you're not very familiar with the history of your church.

Blogger stevo February 26, 2019 7:56 PM  

The argument against celibacy implies that anyone who is not married is more likely to be a sexual predator

Blogger xevious2030 February 26, 2019 8:13 PM  

@ 108

I think the perception was I was popping off about Vox's post, and as a matter of just circling waggons. And Vox didn't just outright ban me, which I tend to take as giving someone enough rope to hang themselves with or not, but a chance either way. He's a busy guy, bigger fish to fry, and as anyone popular, a tard magnet. At any rate, I should have written it better, or I wouldn't have appologised, I mean, what am I but some guy posting to someone else's blog. But, hopefully my use of the word petty as my reference to the sentiment of my reply to that eloquent individual I had in mind in my #33, second paragraph, is more apparent as a choice of words.

Blogger daniel walsh February 26, 2019 8:39 PM  

You're on the wrong side here Vox. Pell is one of the good ones who has been trying to do something about the problems in the heirarchy and a he's been thrown to the wolves. Don't trust headlines just because they fit your narrative.

Blogger wreckage February 26, 2019 9:30 PM  

@109 All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not have kids!

Faith, family, nation! This is the unifying key to the solutions to every problem we have today.

Blogger wreckage February 26, 2019 9:31 PM  

@117 I can't guarantee that he's one of the good ones, but this set-up reeks of evil.

Blogger SirHamster February 26, 2019 9:54 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:@110, Nate, I'm happy the vote went the way it did, but from the outside, it looks as if they just held off the poz for a while longer.

A little while longer may be enough. Celebrate the victories and pray for more.


stevo wrote:The argument against celibacy implies that anyone who is not married is more likely to be a sexual predator

Nah, just that it creates cover for sexual predators. It wouldn't be an issue if the predators were hunted and cleared out of the brush.

That there has been so much reluctance and failure to clear out the predators has created a strong incentive to burn all the brush to clear it out.

Blogger Jamie-R February 26, 2019 10:05 PM  

The media is wholly owned by the enemy. All 'democracy' narratives are held there. Some in entertainment. So their lies are glorified (the death camps) and our lies are punished (corruption in the churches). Billy Graham once spoke to 110,000 people at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, his son came back 50 years later and he was speaking to a basketball arena that held 8000 people. It's a blackpill if you play their game. We're all very aware that corruption is everywhere, victims are everywhere. Bitterness is ever present. It's what targets you select to criticise. Playing their game won't satisfy them. As President Truman said, Jesus couldn't bring them round. I know what's going on inside many institutions within the West, what I care about is who is in control of them. I'd rather Pell than Francis, regardless of what is true. He spoke out against many narratives in play. As did Benedict. They'll face their own judgement in due time. While on earth, don't hand the enemy your institutions.

Blogger tz February 26, 2019 10:17 PM  

Sigh. This happened 10 centuries ago. See St Peter Damien's Book of Gomorrah.

Also churchmilitant.com is pressing.

Yes, they are horrible, but we are all dealing with the fall. It is an error to create a barrier - even social - to healing, as it would be to deny someone with gangrene or worse, HIV to be treated.

The healing and correction of evil is first REPENTANCE. That is non-negotiable, but it CANNOT be followed with judgment or worse unless you wish sever penances for all the sins you personally have comitted.

The silence and coverup itself allows the evil to persist - like HIV that doesn't kill directly but eliminates the immune system.

Jesus, Mary, All Saints, pray for us.

Blogger tz February 26, 2019 10:23 PM  

@77 (VD)
This is another ideal. Unfortunately...

It would be hard to assassinate every last evil prelate as it would be to bomb every Abortion Clinic.

It probably was under Coco but I noted there were fewer abortion clincs than members of Al Queda - and few "Chritians" would have any problem bombing or assassinating every last member of Al Queda.

Do not doubt I am doing my part, but it is on a level only JC. Wright might begin to understand, though I would welcome his alliance.

Blogger R.G. Camara February 26, 2019 11:11 PM  

The anti-celibacy argument is always a red herring here. These are homosexual attacks/infiltration, not straight men so desperate for sexual contact they were corrupted by the sin that cries out to heaven.

Homosexuals often infiltrate all-male institutions and corrupt them when the going is easy; e.g. peacetime and/or dilapidated militaries throughout history have had a lot of problems keeping gays out, as the lure of easy money and being surrounded by lonely men away from home is catnip to gays. The commies directed it with more force, but the lure was always there.

I'm always quite intrigued by the obsession non-Catholics have with ending the celibacy requirements. In almost every major crisis of the Church, there's a loud quarter of non-Catholics claiming that "if you only got rid of the celibacy thing, X crisis would be solved."

Sorry, but 2000 years of required celibacy have worked pretty well, and "ending celibacy" is no fix to anything. Yes, there have always been priests who strayed, and the Eastern practice of non-celibacy is tolerated, but the latter is rare in the Catholic Churches. But even in the non-Catholic Orthodox churches, while a priest may be married, Orthodox monks are celibate and are not married. So even there the ancient churches agree.

Blogger R.G. Camara February 26, 2019 11:13 PM  

Anyway, I meant to end with this: the problem is purging the very large gay contingent from the Catholic Church, which was pushed by the commies since the 1930s and radically expanded in the 1960s, when the 1930s crew had risen to prelate power and enacted all the bad Vatican II-era "reforms" that open the doors quite wide for the homos to rush in even further.

Blogger Toris February 26, 2019 11:34 PM  

I just remember this George Pell from tv panel he was on with Dawkins, and the hysteria that followed -> "Anti semite! Get him!"

TONY JONES: George Pell, can I just come back to you on this question of the existence of God. Why would God randomly decide to provide proof of his existence to a small group of Jews 2,000 years ago and not subsequently provide any proof after that?

GEORGE PELL: Well, I don’t think there’s ever been any scientific proof. I don’t believe God does anything randomly, although he might set up he might set up a system which works, apparently through, you know, through chance, through random but if you want something done, you’ve got to ask somebody. It’s no good, say, my asking everyone in the congregation will you would do something. Normally you go to a busy person because you know they’ll do it and so for some extraordinary reason God chose the Jews. They weren’t intellectually the equal of either the Egyptians or the…

TONY JONES: Intellectually?

GEORGE PELL: Intellectually, morally…

TONY JONES: How can you know intellectually?

GEORGE PELL: Because you see the fruits of their civilisation. Egypt was the great power for thousands of years before Christianity. Persia was a great power, Caldia. The poor – the little Jewish people, they were originally shepherds. They were stuck. They’re still stuck between these great powers.

TONY JONES: But that’s not a reflection of your intellectual capacity, is it, whether or not you’re a shepherd?

GEORGE PELL: Well, no it’s not but it is a recognition it is a reflection of your intellectual development, be it like many, many people are very, very clever and not highly intellectual but my point is…

TONY JONES: I’m sorry, can I just interrupt? Are you including Jesus in that, who was obviously Jewish and was of that community?

GEORGE PELL: Exactly.

TONY JONES: So intellectually not up to it?

GEORGE PELL: Well, that’s a nice try, Tony. The people, in terms of sophistication, the psalms are remarkable. In terms of their buildings and that sort of thing, they don’t compare with the great powers...

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel February 26, 2019 11:35 PM  

@30

"then they need to get rid of their blasphemous worship of the virgin Mary, and the so called saints."

The funny thing about your post is that most orthodox Catholics would happily join you in getting rid of the Jesuits, but then you tip your hat.

It's not my problem that you can't distinguish between veneration and worship, but I'm glad that I know your interesting in swinging a sectarian ax, not ridding the world of the homosexual infestation.








Anonymous Anonymous February 26, 2019 11:38 PM  

I'me extremely tired of non-Catholics talking about Celibacy. Do they not understand that ending Celibacy will only result in homosexual priestly marriages? Look at all the denominations that allow marriage - are they growing? Or are they becoming more and more converged and declining? It's the latter. Materialists simply can't conceive of a sacramental life in general - so focus on the most salient aspect for them. But it happens to be the aspect that determines authenticity. I will never comport with a married Priest pretending to be Catholic. That's not Catholic. That's something else.

I want to withhold judgement until a transcript of the judgment can be obtained, whether via public means or private. I've read summary dismissals of class actions where the abuse alleged is events like 'turning a cold shower on to get me out of a shower' or vicarious liability for what other kids did. The idea that every allegation pertains to serious rape is laughable. 95% of it is nonsense.

Having Pell's case heard in Melbourne is like having an American nationalist tried in the centre of Chicago.

I read a piece in the New Yorker which said there was evidence given by one of his long-standing attendants, corroborated by many others, that Pell in 20 years has ensured he has never been alone with anyone. An early adoption of the Pence Rule. He could only attest to 2 occasions that wasn't the case. Now, 'cohencidentally' on one of those 2 occasions, he is supposed to have forced a kid to give him a blow job in a Cathedral in a very narrow time-frame.

The Catholic Church needs a guillotine (metaphorically speaking).

But that doesn't mean Pell, the one guy trying to stop the Jewing occurring at the Vatican Bank, should be used as the fall-guy.

Natacha Jaitt's murder after implicating Gustavo Vera as a homosexual and a child sex-trafficker suggests there is a different centre for the crimes.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare February 26, 2019 11:48 PM  

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Blogger Living in a Fallen World February 26, 2019 11:48 PM  

What the hell is wrong with these people? I have zero sexual interest in children. Zero.

These people. I don't get it. I just don't get it.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare February 26, 2019 11:56 PM  

Deleted because off topic and unhelpful. Apologies.

Anonymous Anonymous February 27, 2019 12:25 AM  

Yeah. Nah. It's a joke. The idea that Pell as Archbishop would sexually penetrate, then commit four indecent acts against two 13 year olds straight after a High Mass service in the sacristy of the busiest Cathedral in the South Hemisphere in 6 minutes sounds more like a homosexual fantasy then something that actually happened. It is an absolute nonsense. The other supposed victim denied his whole life ever being victimised by a Priest. The Victorian Police are as corrupt as the FBI.

Pell had Price Water House Coopers investigating the Vatican Bank and making headway when he had to return to Australia for the legal proceedings. He is not McKarrick.

In Australia Pell, and Archbishop Wilson, the only two figures to ever actually do anything to tangibly oppose pedophilia and financial crimes, are the only people to be found guilty of it. Wilson was a progressive - but still, it's very strange.

I think Pell got Judge Kavanaughed.

This isn't defending the Church illegitimately. Send in the RWDS's. But I don't know why the kind of system that keeps John Podesta a free man and all the secular authorities who rape kids in England free and kills all the whistle-blowers apparently is totally inviolate when it comes to Pell.

Blogger Jack Amok February 27, 2019 12:37 AM  

It always happens, Jack. And conciliatory gestures don't help any, I've tried. They only get you attacked by both sides. Even quoting a former Pope doesn't help.

Eh, I don't know what to tell 'em. The institution of their church is a critical element of their doctrine. A Protestant can wake up Sunday, say "My church is pozzed, I need to find a new one" and go do it. What's a Catholic supposed to do when they have the same realization?

Blogger Charles February 27, 2019 12:40 AM  

The Novus Ordo religion is not the Roman Catholic Church. I realize few people, even bright or "well-educated" ones, know what I am talking about. Catholics, the few who are still around, do. It's a very long story and anyone not extremely knowledgeable in Church history will not get it, which is why it isn't being explained by me now.

Blogger Catholic February 27, 2019 2:04 AM  

Hello

The post-Vatican II “church” is not the Roman Catholic Church.

Our material explains what to do.

Among other things:

∙ you must never attend the New Mass (i.e., the post-Vatican II “church”)


∙ reject Anti-pope Francis and the post-Vatican II "church"


∙ embrace the true positions on the issues (please visit vaticancatholic.com)

When ready, you would need to re-confess to a validly ordained priest any mortal sins that were confessed to 'priests' ordained in the New Rite of Ordination.

This file also covers general principles on what to do:

https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/catholic-baptism-steps-to-convert/

It's also important to pray 15 decades of the Rosary each day and the Hail Mary frequently.

Send e-mail at mhfm1@aol.com for questions or help.

Blogger SirHamster February 27, 2019 3:00 AM  

R.G. Camara wrote:Sorry, but 2000 years of required celibacy have worked pretty well, and "ending celibacy" is no fix to anything.

So did thousands of years of temple worship for the Jews.

But if you're more interested in protecting your traditions than fixing injustice against innocent blood ... well, it's pretty obvious what happens next.

Blogger SirHamster February 27, 2019 3:05 AM  

correction: hundreds of years of temple worship.

Blogger Nate February 27, 2019 4:05 AM  

" Nate, I'm happy the vote went the way it did, but from the outside, it looks as if they just held off the poz for a while longer. "

that is because you're looking with American eyes. You have seen this pattern of invasion so often you can't imagine that the momentum is going any way but theirs. But that is why this is so important. This is not an American church... it is a global church.. and globally homosexuality is still a sin.

so in this case as the American Church loses power globally.. the Church actually moves closer to Orthodoxy.

We have a ton of Bible Believing Methodists in the South and mid west... but without the global church we would be dictated to by the liberals. The Global church has our backs though. So we get to do the dictating now. And every year the gap grows ever larger.

The whole western jurisdiction is now talking about leaving. Embrace the schism says I.

Blogger J.M. February 27, 2019 5:08 AM  

SirHamster wrote:

So did thousands of years of temple worship for the Jews.

But if you're more interested in protecting your traditions than fixing injustice against innocent blood ... well, it's pretty obvious what happens next.


The only problem with your contention is that as has been repeatedly proven the abuses are not committed by desperate men looking for a sexual outlet in their female churchgoers and assistants but is overwhelmingly homosexual in nature...so how ending celibacy would have helped? I guess the Anglican "church" and the Boy Scouts were "saved" because they didn't force celibacy on their priests and leaders...

Blogger Paul M February 27, 2019 6:57 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Islam would throw him off a building or collapse a wall upon his head,
Islam would behead the boys for being gay.

Blogger Paul M February 27, 2019 7:01 AM  

wreckage wrote:Except the ONE they manage to convict on ONE incident just happens to not be a repeat offender nor in on any form of organized trafficking?

What on earth makes you think he was not a repeat offender? Part of the reason for the hating on Pell is his role in protecting other predatory priests. It was way more than just that one incident. We Australians get it: if he did it once, he did it scores of times.

Blogger Paul M February 27, 2019 7:06 AM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:Toss out the gay priests first. Then toss out the feminist Nuns. 90% of the problems solved.
There's be hardly any priests left. For millennia, the priesthood has been the place where people with "alternate" sexualities have gone.

What the RC church needs to do is to revoke celibacy for priests. It's unbiblical: the bible says that a bishop should be the husband on one wife. It was only introduced in the first place to keep the wealth in the church.

Blogger xevious2030 February 27, 2019 10:07 AM  

Sometimes it helps to look at things in reverse. Say the Catholic Church, or any for that matter (of even five or ten people churches/denomination/whatever), allows people to be married and be a priest. And a single guy (sinner) wants to be a priest. Or a single homosexual guy (sinner). Or a single/married guy (sinner). Or a single/married pedophile (sinner). A single/married adulterer (sinner). Any of the above that strives to abstain from the physical sin, maybe even who does actually abstain physically. Or a woman, in any of the combinations. I can see any number which should be denied/removed from the priesthood. The solution of married/single is not a solution (though married might lessen the risk). The solution is the removal from the priesthood once an act of certain characteristics has occurred, rather than burying it and covering it up. Not to rule out criminal prosecutions/inquisition. And the nature of the risk, the harm it brings to others, the group behaviors it tends to lend itself to, and the depth of the struggle, should be considered before allowing someone to become a priest, to begin with.

The problem is, the Catholic Church, explicitly in the main post for the page, administration/laity, is not getting rid of the problem in the hierarchy, people that sexually molest kids. And a reasonable parallel understanding is, that if you don’t fix even that (the response), you probably are not going to institute any hypothetical that will prevent it to begin with. Whether you have a church of 3, or 1,000,000,000.

Blogger Jack Amok February 27, 2019 12:38 PM  

so how ending celibacy would have helped? I guess the Anglican "church" and the Boy Scouts were "saved" because they didn't force celibacy on their priests and leaders...

When The Boy Scouts discovered pedos, they kicked them out and put their names on a list so if they tried to volunteer with another troop in a different state, they'd be denied membership. The Catholic church shuffled their pedo priests off to another diocese and hoped for the best.

Blogger SirHamster February 27, 2019 2:43 PM  

J.M. wrote:so how ending celibacy would have helped? I guess the Anglican "church" and the Boy Scouts were "saved" because they didn't force celibacy on their priests and leaders...

It provides cover for and ATTRACTS the predators by providing a pretext for close interaction.

"Of course priests are single adult men, who must interact with the young boys of their flock."

Change that assumption, and you change the perspective.

"Why is Mr Single Priest so much more touchy-feely with the altar boys than Mr Married Priest?"


Look, not my church, not my solution. I'm only here to spell out why this makes sense. It's not a perfect solution, it's an option.

But if you are more concerned about preserving the tradition of celibate priests than ending wolves preying on the sheep, your church deserves to die.

St. Peter had one job. Feed and protect His sheep. Is that being done?

Blogger J.M. February 27, 2019 8:59 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:so how ending celibacy would have helped? I guess the Anglican "church" and the Boy Scouts were "saved" because they didn't force celibacy on their priests and leaders...

When The Boy Scouts discovered pedos, they kicked them out and put their names on a list so if they tried to volunteer with another troop in a different state, they'd be denied membership. The Catholic church shuffled their pedo priests off to another diocese and hoped for the best.


What you accurately described was not a failure of celibacy, was a failure of enforcement and basic rules and an absence humanity, themselves a product of the rampant heresy that characterizes what passes for "catholic" church these days. But I guess a simple analysis or facts shouldn't get in the way of the narrative. And last time I heard Boy Scouts in the US was rife with women and gays posing as "leaders" and "scouts" as the organization withers into oblivion, something reported in this very site.

Blogger J.M. February 27, 2019 9:12 PM  

SirHamster wrote:J.M. wrote:so how ending celibacy would have helped? I guess the Anglican "church" and the Boy Scouts were "saved" because they didn't force celibacy on their priests and leaders...

It provides cover for and ATTRACTS the predators by providing a pretext for close interaction.

"Of course priests are single adult men, who must interact with the young boys of their flock."

Change that assumption, and you change the perspective.

"Why is Mr Single Priest so much more touchy-feely with the altar boys than Mr Married Priest?"

Look, not my church, not my solution. I'm only here to spell out why this makes sense. It's not a perfect solution, it's an option.

But if you are more concerned about preserving the tradition of celibate priests than ending wolves preying on the sheep, your church deserves to die.

St. Peter had one job. Feed and protect His sheep. Is that being done?


According to your logic, Hollywood and the political world must be free from child abusers. AFter all those Hollywood moghuls have access to the prettiest and sexiest women the money can buy and dito for successful politicians...

Every point would apply to married men or men with girlfriends. After all no one should be wary of Mr. Pool being surrounded by children all the time, after all his wife and newborn are known in the community....

Look I get your point, mine is that in every place where children and other vulnerable "targets" are present there will be those will try to prey on them from a position of power, whether they are priests, pastors, teachers, directors...and most of these positions do not require celibate people. A far more effective way to deal with this is to purge the openly gay or even effeminate men from the ranks as well as those who happen to have a heavy baggage (convicts, etc.) and even those suspect of being regular porn viewers... For the record, I favour marriage for "sedentary" priests. A guy who remains put in a place for decades or the rest of his life should become part of the community in every sense. Monks, missionaries etc. should be celibate if they are serious. Just as the Lord himself said there are men who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of God...

Blogger SirHamster February 27, 2019 9:40 PM  

J.M. wrote:According to your logic, Hollywood and the political world must be free from child abusers. AFter all those Hollywood moghuls have access to the prettiest and sexiest women the money can buy and dito for successful politicians...

You missed the point and pointing the finger at Hollywood is idiotic.

What part of "option" do you not understand?

I don't care if you keep celibate priests or not. I care that you take care of the sheep and destroy the predators.

If you do it and keep your celibate priests, yay. If you do it and lose your celibate priests, pity but still good.

If you don't do it, your church must die.

Blogger Jack Amok February 28, 2019 2:08 AM  

What you accurately described was not a failure of celibacy, was a failure of enforcement and basic rules

Please. I'm pointing out that even as fucked up as BSA is, they still knew enough not to just shuffle a pedo around to another state where nobody knew his history. For all the convergence BSA has suffered, they still gave enough of a damn about the youth in their program to do what they could to keep suspected pedos out of the program once they had been identified.

That's a damn sight better than the US Catholic Church managed. Whatever failing you want to ascribe that to, go ahead, but don't claim the Boy Scouts weren't more effective than your church in keeping pedos away from youths. BSA was light years better than the ROC at that. So once again, recognize the 6x6 beam in your own eye and quit distracting yourself with the motes in other people's eyes.

Blogger wreckage February 28, 2019 9:33 AM  

@141, I meant exactly what I said and nothing more or less. Scapegoat or symptom of further cover-up, I leave to you, fellow Australian.

Blogger Andrew F February 28, 2019 1:59 PM  

The Catholic Church absolutely needs to be purged of the corrupt globohomo bishops, priests and enablers. In this case though, it looks very questionable whether Pell is guilty. He could have remained in the Vatican but he came back to Australia to face his accussers. The first jury acquitted him by a 10-2 vote but then on the retrial, it swung the other way 12-0. Here is an article with more information: https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/02/the-pell-affair-australia-is-now-on-trial

Blogger Zerokage April 06, 2020 11:43 PM  

Pell has been acquitted by the High Court.

This case was always bullshit. For all the problems of the Catholic Church, the problems of the godless socialists are worse. Of which there are many in Victoria where this case was originally held.

Blogger thechortling April 18, 2020 10:06 PM  

was happy to see this turn out to be complete crap. Peter Hitchens has been saying this all along but it was easy to believe the guy was as queer as his peers here in the US who did go prison rules on young parishoners.

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