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Wednesday, February 13, 2019

Italy may be out first

The EU is rapidly splintering even before Brexit has taken place:
Italian PM Giuseppe Conte has hit back at claims made by a chief EU lawmaker that he is a “puppet” of his country’s coalition party leaders, after declaring the bloc had “lost contact” with its people. The EU Parliament witnessed ill-tempered exchanges between Conte, who was making his debut speech, and leading MEPs. Guy Verhofstadt addressed the PM, saying that he regrets Italy has gone from being a big defender of Europe “to the back of the line."

Bemoaning what he sees as the “political degeneration of Italy,” Verhofstadt accused Conte of being a “puppet” of the Five Star Movement’s Luigi Di Maio and the Northern League’s Matteo Salvini. He also claimed that Italy, at times, “behaves in an anti-European way, openly spiteful against other member states.”

Matteo Salvini
Che alcuni burocrati europei, complici del disastro di questi anni, si permettano di insultare presidente del consiglio, governo e Popolo italiano è davvero VERGOGNOSO. Preparate gli scatoloni, il 26 maggio i cittadini vi manderanno a casa.

It comes after a diplomatic row between France and Italy. Last week, France recalled its ambassador from Rome after a meeting was held between Italy’s deputy prime minister and leaders of the French Yellow Vest protester movement, who have been calling for French President Emmanuel Macron’s resignation.
Translation: That some EU bureaucrats, who are complicit in the disaster of recent years, are permitted to insult the President of the parliament, the government, and the people of Italy is truly SHAMEFUL. Pack your bags, because on the 26th of May (the EU parliamentary elections) the citizens will send you home. 

Meanwhile, Treasonous May is trying to arrange to prevent a No-Deal Brexit, even though that is the best possible outcome for the British people.

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44 Comments:

Blogger Nate February 13, 2019 8:26 AM  

its going to be a damn miracle if Euro manages to untangle itself without a continent wide war.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 13, 2019 8:32 AM  

And all this before the Right even dares question the legitimacy of the establishment or attempts to storm the moral level of the conflict of the day. Today is just a bunch of bow tie boys trying to have that intellectual discussion with what amounts to is an establishment that cannot communicate beyond what a 19 year old mentally stressed girl can articulate or understand.

Blogger The Observer February 13, 2019 8:41 AM  

its going to be a damn miracle if Euro manages to untangle itself without a continent wide war.

Considering that Salvini has publicly called for throwing out the bankers and central bank as it stands, it may come to that.

Blogger Jack Ward February 13, 2019 8:56 AM  

Is America going to have to bail out Europe again?
Gets old after a hundred years or so, would you think?

Blogger DinduGoy(ransomcheckyouremail) February 13, 2019 9:03 AM  

@4 I would hardly call what we did in either world war "bailing them out".

Blogger Jeremy Daw February 13, 2019 9:05 AM  

He's probably referring to the Marshall Plan.

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible February 13, 2019 9:09 AM  

@4
I vote we sell weapons to anti-EU side and pop popcorn.

Blogger English Tom February 13, 2019 9:12 AM  

@Jack Ward

It won't be America bailing out Europe but Russia. The EU is dying, the EAEU (Eurasian Economic Union) is being born. It's what our (((masters))) want.

Blogger McChuck February 13, 2019 9:20 AM  

“political degeneration of Italy” Because politicians should never represent their constituents interests, but those of the global power elite.

Blogger McChuck February 13, 2019 9:22 AM  

@8 English Tom - Russia is broke. Of course, the USA is, too.

Blogger peacefulposter February 13, 2019 9:27 AM  

Viva the Lira

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2019 9:32 AM  

"I would hardly call what we did in either world war "bailing them out"."

Our "federal" reserve literally went on a regime of intentional inflation in order to keep the Pound from collapsing in the aftermath of WWI. The result was the Great Depression. We absolutely got roped into bailing them out.

With regard to the wars, the Lusitania was almost certainly set up by Churchill and some of our financial "elite" to goad us into the war against Germany when our financial Britain and same financial "elite"'s investments were threatened with collapse. That would also be a bailout.

Blogger JAG February 13, 2019 9:38 AM  

Looks like it is time for Italeave.

Blogger David Ray Milton February 13, 2019 9:39 AM  

@Harry

Lol. Backing revolutionaries that won’t Allahu akbar us in five years sounds like an improved foreign policy.

Blogger Welleran February 13, 2019 9:41 AM  

Rexit

Blogger English Tom February 13, 2019 9:43 AM  

@McChuck

The world is broke. Agreed. But the (((money magicians))) will do their magic when the time is right and, voila, a new cycle starts again.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 13, 2019 9:59 AM  

I can see Britain going Brexit, Italy going Itexit, Hungary going Hungexit, and even Poland going Polexit, but as long France-Germany remains no exit, I don't see EUxit.

Blogger Johnny February 13, 2019 10:13 AM  

>>With regard to the wars, the Lusitania was almost certainly set up by Churchill and some of our financial "elite" to goad us into the war against Germany...

What happened was that the Brits got control of the news cycle by damaging some underseas cables. After that the German version of the truth came in a day late and a dollar short. I don't think Churchill was all that important in the WWI period, but I don't actually know.

Blogger Johnny February 13, 2019 10:19 AM  

What we have is governments that are not governing in the interest of their populations and people are starting to figure it out. As a propaganda thing it is probably a mistake for the other side to respond to the Italian. Just let him have his say and ignore it. That would minimize the importance.

Blogger Glaivester February 13, 2019 10:26 AM  

The Lusitania was important as propaganda, but it did not get us into the war - we stayed out for about two years after the sinking of the Lusitania.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 13, 2019 10:36 AM  

A European war would show just how little those countries have been spending on their militaries.

Blogger Iron Spartan February 13, 2019 10:52 AM  

The EU will fall, but it won't be without casualties. When Europe starts coming apart, thats when things will get interesting here. Without Europe, the Transnational progressives have no first world home. My bet is that when the shooting starts in Europe, the progressives will try get the US to save the EU. When that fails, they will try to push for a revolution here. That's when this will get ugly.

Blogger Johnny February 13, 2019 10:54 AM  

>>A European war would show just how little those countries have been spending on their militaries.

If they go to war they would have to do it slowly to gin up the hate, and for preparedness. The Civil War was like that. Literally "civil" at first and nobody thought it would balloon up the way it did.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 13, 2019 11:35 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:t as long France-Germany remains no exit, I don't see EUxit.
The end result of the Gilets Jaunes protests will be Frexit.

Blogger xevious2030 February 13, 2019 11:45 AM  

@1

War in Europe may be the best option, with the focus not on people of one state against another, but people/nations against the complicit elites/educators/top level bureaucrats, Nuremburg trial swift resolution as the outcome. These people have been moving things, and even if simply moved out of power, simply will not stop their efforts to regain power for the purpose of treason against the nations. Why put up with them and their attempts to re-ensnare ones children or grandchildren and to destroy who/what they are? They lie, steal, cheat, ruin, and kill to destroy the people and commit genocide. When someone wants to genocide you and your family, what is the point of civility and measure, civil resolution? The blood of tyrants - Thomas Jefferson.

Blogger Iron Spartan February 13, 2019 12:14 PM  

If Italy becomes the first to get out of the EU, and catches people by surprise because everyone is looking at Britain and not paying attention to other states, how do those shockwaves play out in Europe.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 13, 2019 12:27 PM  

@24: I see the possibility. And I am hopeful.

Blogger John Best. February 13, 2019 12:30 PM  

Things are coming along very nicely.

Blogger John Best. February 13, 2019 12:35 PM  

Inter-state wars in Europe will be averted, but internal state-nation conflict is the thing to watch. It is happening in France right now and will spread. Then you have the cleansing of the non-Europeans from Europe and the other EU nationals back to their own nations. This is only positive from Europe and the nations of Europe. Its going to get bad in Ireland though, that's my one worry because nobody cares about Ireland and they have fallen for the globalist state all the way. Could see the IRA and UDA fighting side by side against the Irish state.

Blogger xevious2030 February 13, 2019 1:11 PM  

Whether through peaceful means or otherwise in Europe is a question. By the wars and subsequent actions afterward, the enemy has identified where they remove from a system in order to be in position to replace that system with their own. As such, the removal and replacement by the Right of the same is the removal of the heart of the institutional machine of the Left through which they achieve and maintain power and control. They are shortsighted and habitual, and their objective in conquest is also the announcement of their weakness, for they are the great psychological projectors, compulsively. They provide the schematic for the institution of their power, and the surest removal of the same. At least in the consideration requiring the least ingenuity, pulling from existing doctrines. They attack in the way they consider most effective, and while working to prevent the same (convincing those they intend to conquer it is "beneath them to stop to such levels," "don't become the monster," means versus ends debate, whatever leaves them willing and proud to be vulnerable as they are conquered and destroyed).

If Italy and the UK are able to leave peacefully, it will only be the start of a great work and effort to not be in vain.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 1:13 PM  

John Best wrote:... internal state-nation conflict is the thing to watch. It is happening in France right now and will spread. Then you have the cleansing of the non-Europeans from Europe and the other EU nationals back to their own nations.

I wonder if Americans have enough national identity for this to happen here?

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 13, 2019 1:24 PM  

@31: Not yet. But give the forces of identity politics 2-3 more years. By 2021, it should be impossible for the average white Democratic to miss the writing on the wall: The future of the party really does belong to AOC and IO after all.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira February 13, 2019 1:35 PM  

Macho Italians rhetorically beating up on effette Northern European sodomites. 2019 is shaping up.

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2019 2:10 PM  

The EU mandarins are really losing it - spraying vitriol at member governments as if the people agreed to join a tyrant alien occupier ...

This is unlikely to win them new supporters.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 2:10 PM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:Not yet. But give the forces of identity politics 2-3 more years. By 2021, it should be impossible for the average white Democratic to miss the writing on the wall: The future of the party really does belong to AOC and IO after all.

Vox keeps saying that White isn't an identity or a nationality. The Left keeps trying to make him wrong.

Blogger justaguy February 13, 2019 2:12 PM  

Trade war maybe. Without the US help, I don't think that any country could field an invading force that would not easily be defended against.

Blogger Blogger February 13, 2019 2:27 PM  

The biggest concern as a member of a mostly Italian high school visiting Italy (pre-EU) was Johnny and Ralphie being disappeared by the Carabinieri because they had compulsory miliary service (it didn't matter that they were born outside Italy or if were nautralized). You had to get a special waiver from the Italian consulate.

Oh, and Lira. I was a millionaire in 1989 in Milan.

Blogger Blogger February 13, 2019 2:30 PM  

@9 It's like how Canadian media is reporting on "Russian trolls" when they just aren't used to having the plebs talk back to the narrative. It's amusing to watch and reminds me never to consume it for too long.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 13, 2019 4:01 PM  

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Blogger xevious2030 February 13, 2019 4:16 PM  

@35

This is vague, a starting place, no proofs, take it as art or junk.
Not an identity. Not a nationality. Not a carbon copy. But more than a social construct. And a general collection of cognitive/social/behavioral traits. A curve, closer to the main of the bell, to very crudely borrow a phrase. More at a collection of expressed recessive genes (including behavioral, physiological), overlapped in various areas by dominant genes from “outsiders.” Some genes more influential than others, and in combinations. More than simply a social construct without real relevance. It is not an identity or a nationality, but contains the range of markers for the building of them. A tendency to clump together. Without such a tendency, it is unlikely the recessive genes would have peeled away the dominant in the way they have. Note, I do not liken to purity, which is something else with an entirely different set of ramifications. A person can have a small fraction of these genes expressed (be fairly well mixed or “other”), and still have the clumping tendency which would, over time, result in the “other” lessening and lessoning over time. In other words, someone could be mostly Native American, but if the right recessive genes were in play, be naturally drawn over time (generations) to change the particular identity and nationality, losing the dominant genes, over time, to one of those among that of the variety of the recessive collection (depends on if the individual had the particular genes/collection in play (epigenetics)). And among those of the recessive collection, if the right genes were not in play, the reverse. Or even the clumping tendency tying to certain collections of dominant ones (with various implications). From a nature perspective, not looking at a nurture one. And not taking into account spiritual aspects, such as the Holy Spirit, or of Satan, as influences.

At any rate, typically a visible target for the Left, and they do stoke it.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell February 13, 2019 4:28 PM  

George Soros compared the current state of the EU as being akin to the fall of the USSR.

Well even until the end of that union it looked like most of it would come out unscathed. If the EU collapses it will come swiftly.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell February 13, 2019 4:30 PM  

The Union Treaty even won ratification in most SSRs but the governments pulled the plug. Polls and votes might still show support but a time will come where the governments will find staying to be intolerable.

Blogger Iron Spartan February 14, 2019 8:39 AM  

@29 The IRA will fight for Ireland. If there are any left, i can see that happening.

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