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Tuesday, February 26, 2019

Labour calls for a revote, Tories for delay

The British establishment is rendering itself increasingly irrelevant. First, the Labour Party leader endorsed the EU's principle of "vote until you vote correctly":
Labour's Brexit civil war escalated dramatically today after Jeremy Corbyn backed a second referendum. Leave-supporting MPs voiced fury after the leader heralded a seismic shift, warning that trying to overturn the result from 2016 would be 'catastrophic'.

Tensions are also already seething over when a referendum should be held - and whether Remain should be on the ballot paper.

In an extraordinary move, Mr Corbyn told his MPs last night that the party was ready to back a second public vote to prevent a ‘damaging Tory Brexit’. The party is likely to table a Commons amendment which would mean a referendum on whatever deal finally gets through Parliament.

However, the new stance still appears to leave questions about whether Labour will call for a referendum if Mrs May's deal is not passed, or whether one would only happen if Mr Corbyn wins powers and negotiates his own package.
And Theresa May showed her true Remainer colours by offering to delay Brexit beyond the March 29 deadline.
Theresa May faces a titanic Cabinet battle over Brexit today amid signs she is ready to surrender to a Remainer revolt.

The PM is gathering her senior team as tensions hit new heights, with negotiations deadlocked in Brussels and just weeks to go until the UK is due to crash out. Cabinet sources told MailOnline there were 'encouraging' signs that Mrs May is now ready to delay Brexit to avert mass resignations by ministers who are determined to rule out no deal.

But the expected concession will cause fury among Eurosceptics who have been adamant the option of leaving without an agreement must be kept on the table.
My best guess is that all this is all political sound and fury signifying nothing in the end, and Britain will exit with no deal by the end of March. I also expect Labour to get slaughtered in Leave districts in the next election. But we will see.

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51 Comments:

Blogger Lazarus February 26, 2019 6:03 AM  

I also expect Labour to get slaughtered in Leave districts in the next election.

Why wait for an election? Just slaughter them now.

Blogger Rocklea Marina February 26, 2019 6:12 AM  

Why wait for an election? Just slaughter them now.

Once again, dialectic beats rhetoric.

Blogger Joseph Dooley February 26, 2019 6:24 AM  

This whole thing feels like the Greece bailout drama that went on for years.

Blogger staff February 26, 2019 6:39 AM  

At some point, don't we have to agree with the founders that democracy just does not work?

Vox says it becomes a war of identity vs. identity at some point. I say were are at that point.

Oh well.

~ Mark Stoval at work.

Blogger Dave Dave February 26, 2019 7:14 AM  

Political positioning by Labour so after Brexit is over, they'll have something to sway voters with. I expect Theresa May will be ousted by the Tories after her disastrous negotiation attempts. It's hard to tell whether Corbyn will do well or not after this mess, but the hatred for Theresa May is quite significant.

Blogger JAG February 26, 2019 7:29 AM  

Could be worse things than vote till you get it right. Here in the states a leftist judge will just overturn the will of the voters with nothing more than their own political bias.

Blogger Warunicorn February 26, 2019 7:31 AM  

I'm surprised there's still a Labour party after the Rotherham scandal, but then again, MPAI, so there's that.

Blogger Teleros February 26, 2019 7:35 AM  

First, Labour Party leader endorsed the EU's principle of "vote until you vote correctly"

Labour MP John Mann didn't hold back on this point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDVmKVI2GYQ

And Theresa May showed her true Remainer colours by offering to delay Brexit beyond the March 29 deadline.

My best guess is that all this is all political sound and fury signifying nothing in the end, and Britain will exit with no deal by the end of March.

I agree, though it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in Parliament. The 29th March deadline is written into UK law, so extending the Article 50 process is probably meaningless* if the law isn't amended. I can't see Mogg, the DUP & the ERG backing such a move though, so May would have to rely on "opposition" votes to do so... but would they vote to prop up May's Tory government, or try to bring about an early election and seize power themselves by letting such an amendment fail?

*A research paper mentions this on p10 in the sidebar: http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8502/CBP-8502.pdf

There's also the EU elections in May to consider - I doubt the EU wants the UK taking part in them, which means there's going to be a lot of pressure to end things before they roll around: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/article-50-options

I also expect Labour to get slaughtered in Leave districts in the next election. But we will see.

Depends on if there's someone who can pick up the votes. With any luck UKIP will be prepared, but the Tories aren't very strong in the north (and it's not like May's performance WRT Brexit is helping any) - the downside of the Iron Lady. If enough Labour Brexiteers stay home rather than vote for a pro-Brexit party Labour could still keep those seats.

= = =

On a related note, I never saw anything else related to the source for the previous Brexit article:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/02/mailvox-brexit-update.html

Looking like this might be a case of fake news.

Blogger Solon February 26, 2019 7:45 AM  

"Could be worse things than vote til you get it right."

Such as, what, "vote til you get it wrong?" The entire point of a democracy is that the vote is what the majority of the people decide they want. Politicians don't get to decide what is "right or wrong" in a true democracy. Down that road lies totalitarianism, which ironically is exactly what happens in a democracy anyway: the majority decides to opress the minority.

The Confederate states voted to secede from the Union. Would you suggest that they should have kept voting until they voted to stay?

We're going to see something very similar in the UK, with the Parliament insisting that the people (the Confederate states in this analogy) keep voting until they decide to remain. I suspect the people will continue to insist that they leave, and thats how you get a civil war: when the government no longer represents the wishes of the people, the people have no choice but to surrender or to overthrow the government.

If that results in the foreigners who deign to rule over the native population being executed or exiled (and it will), it's no big loss to the natives, they'll carry on just fine without the (((foreigners))) in power who don't represent them.

Blogger JAG February 26, 2019 7:55 AM  

@Solon - I was being facetious, though only marginally. Of course vote till you get it right is ridiculous on the part of the elites in the UK, but is that actually worse than what we have in the US where a 9th circuit judge overturns the clear will of voters in regards to such subjects as gay marriage?

Blogger Unknown February 26, 2019 7:57 AM  

Corbyn is a no holds barred Marxist Leninist. He's the real deal, a true believer. He's no nationalist, a government under his leadership will throw the borders wide open and round up any white native who complains. But he's no remainer either, the last thing Corbyn wants is to win office and have every single law he passes overridden by the Commission and EU courts. His dream of transforming the UK into a brown version of East Germany circa 1976 is impossible if it remains in the EU.

So I'm a little puzzled by the move. Is it a gay op, a head fake to push May into trying to push through an extension or even a second referendum, which would inevitably cause the Tory government to collapse and open the way to power? Maybe, but that seems like a high risk move, ignoring the Brexit vote carries massive risk of a voter backlash. More likely he's agreed to this because he feels under real pressure from his globo homo activist base.

Blogger English Tom February 26, 2019 8:21 AM  

@Vessimede barstool

Re:Corbyn's base

He is backed by an extreme left grouping within the Labour party called Momentum. These people are fully on board with the intersectional globohomo agenda, with their war against the white working class. People like the little faggot Owen Jones, who,got all emotional over that Florida gay bar shooting but then had to STFU when it was found the perp was gay.
Corbyn really is hostage to these people and relies on them, otherwise the Jewish Labour party would have his balls whipped off for not being pro Israel enough.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 8:23 AM  

This game has been very amusing. DUP still rising, no deal, no surrender.

Blogger peter blandings February 26, 2019 10:14 AM  

and as goes the british establishment, so goes vox popoli. there are a lot of large things going on in the world at present, but brexit isn't one of them. why are you spending valuable time and thought on a mythical state that now exists only in books? someone once said there will always be an england; he was mistaken. england was a decomposed corpse 50 years ago. it made for some good stories but it is long gone. i can understand why you're not talking about trump's total betrayal of his voters and his sudden interest in regime change in venezuela (it's the beautiful children, don't you know), so come down on pence, pompeo, the cia, the inf treaty nonsense, talk about how trump is under threat, but please, no more england; there is no england, and any drivel about the "special relationship" should be met with a bed pan to the head. thank you, read all your commentary since your first column in WND, so yeah, longtime reader.

Blogger Steve February 26, 2019 10:19 AM  

It's complete institutional failure on the part of Parliament, like any other converged organisation, they're no longer willing or able to do what they're paid to do. Marie Antoinette had a better grasp on reality than these clowns.

Corbyn is a no holds barred Marxist Leninist

I do hope so, because I'm thinking of voting for his party at the next election (which can't be far off, given the government has no majority or authority) in order to unseat my "Conservative" MP.

Yes, gay communism would be a complete disaster for Britain, but if Brexit is betrayed - and the Tories are doing everything possible to frustrate our exit from the Europedo Union - at least that leaves us with the option of punishing the Tories and their Globohomo backers.

A dose of punitive taxation, nationalisation, and bread queues might not be everyone's cup of Fairtrade, but in the absence of better options it'll be worth it for the lols.

To the barricades, comrades!

Blogger JBurgess February 26, 2019 10:35 AM  

Mrs May is now ready to delay Brexit to avert mass resignations by ministers who are determined to rule out no deal.

I'm not surprised, but it is funny that you would subvert the will of the people to cater to others trying to subvert the will of the people.

Anyone threatening to quit their job, because they don't want to do what the job entails, should be quickly ushered out before they infect normal people.

Blogger Teleros February 26, 2019 10:36 AM  

I do hope so, because I'm thinking of voting for his party at the next election (which can't be far off, given the government has no majority or authority) in order to unseat my "Conservative" MP.

Bear in mind Corbyn is also globohomo, as noted earlier. Open borders & all that, his Momentum backers, etc.

Blogger Steve February 26, 2019 10:50 AM  

Teleros - Deffo. On the other hand, the Times reports today that the "Conservative" government is forcing schools to teach small kids about trannyism and bumsex, so I dunno how much worse Labour can actually be. (Mandatory AIDS?)

The Tories have gotten away with betraying their own voters by telling spooky stories about how the other party would be even more obnoxious for too long. Time to call their bluff.

The fake Right needs to die so the real Right has a chance to flourish. Clearing out the "Conservative" bed blockers is a good start, even if the immediate alternative is also crap. Let them eat Corbyn.

Blogger linesy February 26, 2019 10:55 AM  

2nd vote with two options. Leave Today or Leave Tomorrow. My (tory/leaver) MP has a public meeting on the 1st I will be sure to attend and express my desire to vote him out if he isn't a no deal and let's get out man. I work in international trade and in manufacturing in particular there are loads of non EU businesses looking to trade with us. Corbyn is the biggest prick, he spent a lifetime opposing the EU (and reality) but when faced with a membership that is middle class, vegan and converged he is happy to just play the game of cause strife because it's the only way he might get elected PM. God help us if he does.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 11:09 AM  

@18 well if the sexual and gender education is so bad, why aren't people taking their children out of school? DUP crushed the Conservative party in Northern Ireland, the problem in the UK is all the nationalist policians are useless and working class, and they hate the Aristocracy. I am tired of people whining about how they were betrayed or lied to, me and my dad were watching TV, some working class former SAS guy was complaining about how the Aristocracy treated him in the army. Me and my dad were like we can't be bothered with the working class, just weak and complaining all the time, never doing anything. They need to be ruled, but then resent those that rule. Idiots. Everything is the fault of the working class abandoning the Aristocracy.

The fake right is the fascist working class failures, who can't lead anything and always fall to subversion and infighting because they can't rule, they don't have the mentality put into them from birth, like the Aristocracy has. The Loyalists succeeded because they followed God, through Ian Paisley, the Rhodesians succeeded because they were the Aristocracy. Oswald Mosley and Enoch Powell failed because they were just smart working class university people. The nationalists in Britain hate God and hate the Aristocracy, this is why they fail and why the globalists have been in power for so long.

Blogger Steve February 26, 2019 11:13 AM  

John Best - I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Blogger slippin jimmy February 26, 2019 11:33 AM  

Both Corbyn and May recognize that a so-called "clean" Brexit is going to be very very messy and that it will cause substantial economic damage, at least in the short term. They both preside over political parties that are so badly split over Brexit as to be nearly broken.

May's strategy is obvious. She doesn't want to be known as the Prime Minister who wrecked the country.
and she is desperately trying to put some more lipstick on her pig of an agreement in hopes of getting passed, or barring that a delay in which fudge together an agreement more palatable to Parliament or at least buy some time to mitigate the economic damage of a no-deal Brexit.

Corbyn, with his endorsement of a second Referendum is trying to placate the Remainers in his caucus.
Bu I suspect there's much more to his strategy than that. This man really really really wants to make the UK into Venezuela 2.0 and he can't do that if Britain remains part of the EU. To do that he needs to render the Tories so radioactive that people will hold their noses and vote for Labour at the next general election. The thinking goes, that by throwing Labour's support behind a second referendum, Tory remainers will be emboldened and will be less likely to compromise and fall in line behind May with the result that we get a no-deal Brexit, severe economic disruption and the ensuing crisis results in a Labour government. Dear Leader Jeremy can then use the "crisis" to nationalize the commanding heights of the economy and Comrades I can see the socialist uplands beckoning from here.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 26, 2019 11:42 AM  

John Best wrote:Everything is the fault of the working class abandoning the Aristocracy.


The Aristocracy abandoned the Working Classes long long before the Working Classes abandoned the Aristocracy.
Look up the Enclosure Acts some time.

Blogger slippin jimmy February 26, 2019 12:05 PM  

@8

"I agree, though it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in Parliament. The 29th March deadline is written into UK law, so extending the Article 50 process is probably meaningless* if the law isn't amended."

Don't forget that the UK can't unilaterally extend the Article 50 period. It needs the agreement of the other 27 EU States. They may agree if they think it will buy time to cobble together a deal, or allow them to make preparations to alleviate the effects of a no-deal Brexit. Or just as likely they may decide to just bite the bullet and have done with it.

Blogger Steve February 26, 2019 12:05 PM  

Both Corbyn and May recognize that a so-called "clean" Brexit is going to be very very messy and that it will cause substantial economic damage, at least in the short term.

Nah. A few percentage points on the price of cheese and wine does not a crisis create. The "cliff edge" has always been a phantom menace. If these people were truly concerned about the economy they'd repeal the Climate Change Act, which is doing far more damage to the British economy than the most pessimistic No Deal forecasts.

Dear Leader Jeremy can then use the "crisis" to nationalize the commanding heights of the economy and Comrades I can see the socialist uplands beckoning from here.

Jez is tempting to me as a watch-the-world-burn candidate for the reasons you describe ("British" big business deserves a good kicking) and because he is absolutely hated by the political establishment - including in his own party. The neocons hate and fear him, which is nice.

Blogger Lance E February 26, 2019 12:12 PM  

JAG wrote:Of course vote till you get it right is ridiculous on the part of the elites in the UK, but is that actually worse than what we have in the US where a 9th circuit judge overturns the clear will of voters in regards to such subjects as gay marriage?

Yes, it is worse.

For starters, the "will of voters" is meaningless in any moral and practical sense. Eventually the "will of voters" in the USA will be for nationalized single-payer health care. Does that make it a good idea? Leaders should work for their nation's best interests; the problem is, most of today's leaders don't. They operate from a rent/extract mindset rather than an own/invest mindset. However, that doesn't make democracy an inherently better option; popular sentiment is highly susceptible to propaganda, and if the UK forced a re-vote which came out 50.1% remain, it would still be in their national interest to leave the EU.

But even if we set aside those issues and adopt the frame that democracy is moral and awesome... which scenario is worse: being lied to and told to shut up and deal with it, or being bullied and harangued until you can repeat the lies with affected sincerity?

Blogger Jack Amok February 26, 2019 12:35 PM  

DUP? Great, another party led by a crop-haired old woman. At least she has children.

Blogger John Williams February 26, 2019 1:03 PM  

Democracies don’t work? The founders knew that, that’s why they created a Constitutional Republic. They also knew the constituents needed to be both moral and educated for it to work.

Blogger DonReynolds February 26, 2019 1:12 PM  

If Labour actually represented the working men and women of Britain, who voted to leave the EU, we should all be surprised. But Labour has not pretended to represent labour in a very long time. Was it Tony Blair and his NEW Labour? No. I would put the gentrification of Labour at the feet of Michael Mackintosh Foot (no pun intended). Thank God he is dead.

Foot was the personification of the fiction that working people WANTED communism in England and he was part of the mythology that strong labor unions necessarily meant the embrace of socialism and communism. This was acted out in the history of labor movements in English-speaking countries and continues today.

That is why Corbyn-led Labour have become ground zero for Leftist and Communist intellectualoids, snobs, autocrats, radicals, extremists, and anti-semites. All of which completely ignore the fact that Britain is falling down all around them and burning AND ignoring the singular cause of all the problems.... to focus on re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and arguing over free drinks at the bar and what tune the band will be allowed to play.

Labour is only a distraction from actually governing the nation and has no coherent plan going forward. It is a catch-all for every misfit, malcontent, unhappy person in the country. Does that sound familiar?

Blogger xevious2030 February 26, 2019 1:32 PM  

I love how reporting is how May "caved" to the remain folks. As if she is not EU-groupie trash.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 1:41 PM  

@27 Yeah she has children, that makes a huge different. And her dad was murdered by the IRA and she is a Protestant. Not all women are socialists or thatcherites. Vast majority are though. The DUP is single hand pushed Brexit and stopped the globalists, with the pressing of the Loyalists behind them.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 1:42 PM  

@23 Fair point.

Blogger Steve February 26, 2019 1:53 PM  

Labour is only a distraction from actually governing the nation and has no coherent plan going forward. It is a catch-all for every misfit, malcontent, unhappy person in the country.

Yarp. Glorious, innit?

The globohomo elite may think themselves frightfully clever in gaslighting the public over Brexit, but that only leaves us with the rational option of backing Jezbollah and his Compare the Marxists cult to wreck their shit.

So the CBI has put tremendous pressure on the government to overturn democracy and keep the cheap foreign labour spigot flowing. I'd like to see how they enjoy being governed by actual Trots who hate their guts and intend to steal all their stuff.

I'm super serial about this. If we aren't allowed to vote our way out of the EU, the least we can do is vote to punish some of our enemies.

Lord Humungous would be my ideal candidate, but barring that, the guy who they said was an "existential threat to Jewish life" (!) is most likely to make it rain.

Bonus points if Tony Blair ends up on trial. That's a stretch goal, for sure, but a man can dream.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 2:36 PM  

@21 Thanks. I will look into it.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 26, 2019 3:01 PM  

@34
The British National Party did a lot to expose the Child Rape Gangs and MP expenses scandal before they got destroyed. Labour, Conservatives and UKIP did next to nothing. From what I could see, in fact helped cover it up.

First time I heard of them was when I was wondering why no one was questioning the Mass open borders immigration from Eastern Europe on the T.V. Why is everyone ace with this? So asked my father is there anybody who is actually opposed to mass immigration. Looked up to see if they had a website.

Military dictatorship, otherwise, I wonder how long the fuse has got to official Balkanisation.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 26, 2019 3:11 PM  

all smoke and mirrors.

the (((Rothschild)))-owned Brit political class

will not Brexit. If necessary, they'll arrange a re-vote

and rig it.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 3:20 PM  

Yeah they did expose those things. Did the organize against the Asian gangs, did they attempt to bring our people to God and teach them the mentality needed to engage in the conflict against the state? I remember a BNP member was murdered by an Asian gang in the 90's, BNP didn't do what needs to be done. This is because they don't believe in God, they believe in the state and they have a working class leadership mentality, not an Aristocratic rulership mentality.

So your answer is civil war and Cromwell? My answer is the restoration which followed Cromwell, the restoration of the institutions of the nation over the state. Restore the Aristocracy, Church and Monarchy. Two policies matter now, remove the not-British population and pay down private debt. Both these things can be done very easily and quickly, no need for a military dictatorship.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 26, 2019 3:28 PM  

A Full English Brexit, please!

Blogger eclecticme February 26, 2019 3:36 PM  

OT but 8 min video about nations/ethnic Chinese. Says they have a harder time penetrating Muslim nations?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tfJpCCcOEw

Blogger InformationMerchant February 26, 2019 3:51 PM  

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0RkZwpXgAEuCrJ.png:large

Chart showing Labour hurts itself by going Remain.

It's obvious enough without the chart anyway as Scotland never votes Tory.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 26, 2019 3:54 PM  

I'm kind of sympathetic to the old Whig Aristocracy, but they're dead. Something like an Aristocratic Republic would be ideal in my opinion.

The Tory one seems a bunch of psychopaths, David Cameron's father in law owns 200,000 acres in Lincolnshire the largest land owner from what I've read. Probably hide it in shell companies or something only seem to get that kind of information from nationalist sites.

I think local ruler-ship would be better. I don't buy into having a fully voluntary military given potential Chinese aggression, Anarcho Capitialism.

Christianity gives me a reason, to try and be better, what's more I think it might be true. The problem is how to act when, I don't fully believe and no one personally that does. How to organise individually for a greater good.

I think a lot depends on vested interests. I have none what so ever. But I agree with the BNP never having any real chance in winning an election, a lot was done purely for political reasons. The population is pretty massive for a small island, what's going to keep order when people riot like what happened in London, was it 5 years a go?

The smart people left for Canada, USA & New Zealand. Otherwise had some strong incentive for staying. Kind of rootless, emigrating out of the home counties, Hertford in my case. At least there some community left in the North or small rural villages.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 4:25 PM  

@41 The way I see it now, is nations are actually counties and shires, then you have Kingdoms like England, Scotland, Wales and then the realm or domain of Britain/Albion. The counties and shires is where the Aristocracy rules, it rules its nation. I am opposed to a standing army and I support Mercantilism for the economy system. My family owns the 5th biggest farm in Cumbria, we are still plebs. You organize from your extended family, this is how every organization starts off, as a small family endeavor, with people you can trust. The idea of communities is a false, they don't exist. What exists is Houses or extended families. When the war comes it won't be the community fighting with you, it will be your brothers, uncles and cousins.

The order of the state needs to be broken, when riots like 2011 happen again, we use them to dislodge the state and restore the nation your own area.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 26, 2019 5:21 PM  

@John Best
William the Bastard says otherwise. The harrow comes for thee.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 5:52 PM  

@43 what's your point?

Blogger Steve February 26, 2019 6:21 PM  

John Best - My family owns the 5th biggest farm in Cumbria

Infant pesticide exposure explains it then.

The order of the state needs to be broken, when riots like 2011 happen again, we use them to dislodge the state and restore the nation your own area.

I can't wait for the inevitable Road War and the rise of the Bestial Kingdom.

If I don't see you on the news, riding your Massey-Ferguson tractor-throne into glorious slow-motion battle against the malevolent forces of Cumbria Constabulary, gaily commandeering vittles and serving-wenches from the Greggs in Penrith, and solemnly parading your victorious army of brother-cousins in the car park of the Carlisle Asda Superstore... I shall be very cross and write a letter of complaint to my MP.

A very disgruntled letter! With lots of "harrumphs!" And more than the usual amount of exclamation marks!!!

Vroom, John! Vroom, I say!

Yours in the grandeur of delusion,

Steve x

Blogger Teleros February 26, 2019 7:18 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:I think local ruler-ship would be better. I don't buy into having a fully voluntary military given potential Chinese aggression, Anarcho Capitialism.

Nah, if the Chinese military bothers you then a bunch of conscripts from a population of 50-60M (depending on how many we kick out :P ) won't be much use - especially not if you want them to man a navy or airforce (what with the Chinese being rather far away & all). But if you can get enough decently educated people working on stuff like nukes etc the Chinese will be much more likely to steer clear.

Blogger John Best. February 26, 2019 9:43 PM  

@45 Can't stop laughing. I have been roasted alive and eaten.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 27, 2019 12:08 PM  

John Best wrote:what's your point?
That there is a reason England and later Britain were centralized. That if you are actual English nobility, you have less in common with the English working classes genetically and culturally than I do. That there's a reason the Yobbos hate your poncey guts.

Blogger John Best. February 27, 2019 12:41 PM  

@48 The Normans intermarried with Anglo-Saxon houses. So that isn't a reason.

Blogger Wildgoose February 28, 2019 11:42 AM  

@49 Not particularly they didn't. From memory, just two Anglo-Saxon houses remained a generation after the Norman Conquest. When the North rose against William the Bastard he unleashed a campaign of scorched-earth genocide, killing every man, woman and child he could find; slaughtering livestock; burning crops and villages.

Which is why hundreds of ships full of English fled England and ended up founding a New England on the shores of The Black Sea, having relieved a siege of Constantinople by the heathen Turks along the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_(medieval)

Blogger John Best. February 28, 2019 9:26 PM  

@50. Thanks for that new information.

I was talking about the intermarriage over the centuries between Norman and English houses, so the present day Aristocracy is no longer Norman, but English. Even thought many Norman houses have kept their names. Like my own house. The wiping out of the Danelaw was correct and a good thing, allowing the native English to repopulate those areas. I don't see the reason why the English nationalist types and people in general don't like William I, he was a good King, killed the Danelaw, moved the nation in a positive direction. He did less damage to the English nation than the Vikings did. He was the rightful King, defeated the English King in battle. You can't get a more legitimate ruler. It seems once again like the Irish victim mentality, oh we were genocided and we couldn't do anything about it, those evil Normans.

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