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Wednesday, February 13, 2019

Mailvox: Brexit will not be delayed

A British expert who knows CONSIDERABLY more than I do about British law and the unwritten British constitution shares his opinion on the likelihood of Brexit being delayed past 29 March:
Something which doesn’t seem to be considered by those proposing an extension is that the EU parliament is prorogued for election on 18 April. The EU parliament would resume, with its newly elected members on 2 July.

Therefore if Her Majesty’s Government did ask for an extension to the Article 50 period, something to which all 27 EU governments would need to agree, a 3-month extension really only buys 14 working days in which to come up with a deal and have it ratified by the EU parliament. Since Theresa May has repeatedly postponed votes, and has only notionally cancelled the half-term break for Westminster, she has already wasted more time since December than a 3-month extension could buy her.

If the extension was longer, say 9 months as proposed by Boles-Cooper and voted down by a majority of 23 votes, it would mean that the new Faragiste Brexit Party would contend the EU elections, with predictable results. Despite threats of resignation from Remainer ministers for the purposes of voting for a new Boles-Cooper, there is no indication that the arithmetic in the House of Commons would return a majority for a 9-month delay, or the 21-month version suggested by Civil Service negotiator Olly Robbins in a bar in Brussels last night. One of the senior Conservative Brexiteer MPs suggested that Mr Robbins should be delivered to the Tower of London by river (implicitly through the “Traitor’s Gate”).

The British version of Maxine Waters, capable of causing Guam to capsize by her mere presence, has publically stated that she knows that the Brexiteers would win a second referendum. The Conservative Party local government leaders have told the party chairman that they are facing a wipe-out in May’s municipal and county elections because of the Prime Minister’s handling of Brexit.

Soros and others are already lamenting the possibility of 33% populist and eurosceptic EU parliament, which could gum up the works in EU parliamentary committee. This would be a higher percentage if Britain returns MEPs to Strasbourg due to a long Article 50 extension. It doesn’t seem likely that any Withdrawal Agreement that would be approved by the EU parliament in such circumstances would bear much resemblance to that currently on the table. Most of the British MEP’s would vote against any agreement to preserve Britain’s independence via “No Deal”.

It is also worth noting that Republic of Ireland opinion polls show 80% for Prime Minister Varadkar taking a hard line against Westminster. The Belgian Prime Minister has also voiced a preference for the certainty of “No Deal” today rather than reopening the Withdrawal Agreement.

On the other hand, Italy has a £10bn trade surplus with Britain, mostly in agriculture, which it is desperate to avoid losing. They lost the Russian market to the Turks and Russian domestic product substitution and know that they aren’t going to get it back. British Mozzarella has been rated by Italian chefs as being on a par with their own product, but currently can’t compete because of EU localisation rules, so losing the British market would likely also be permanent. Therefore the Italians are proposing a bilateral deal, bypassing the EU. Whether such a thing would actually happen remains to be seen, but it does indicate considerable concern.

Many countries have voiced pro-British views, but it is notable that all have unanimously approved the EU’s negotiating guidelines of 28 March 2017, which we could never accept. That was the moment when I first said there would be no deal. All subsequent decisions by the EU Council of ministers (heads of member state governments) have also been unanimous. So, frankly, we’re not placing any store by favourable remarks from EU member governments or politicians.

So to summarise, I can’t see a delay of 3, 9 or 21 months producing a deal, and therefore any delay seems unlikely to be granted. The arithmetic at Westminster hasn’t significantly changed. So we’re going to be out on 29 March with the “No Deal” necessary to recover our independence.
I certainly hope that he is right. There is no question that No Deal is much better than any deal that will win the approval of the Eurocrats.

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54 Comments:

Blogger Chad Thundercockovich February 13, 2019 10:40 AM  

I will celebrate a No Deal victory. I went to law school in England during the Brexit vote and am still shocked at the faculty's blatant EU left-wing bias.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia February 13, 2019 10:41 AM  

Theresa May has been among the most inept negotiators in the history of political negotiations -- in fact, the Brexit negotiating process will be studied for years to come as an example of how NOT to do it.

That being said, this outcome may have been inevitable. For the EU elites, leaving the EU is tantamout to betrayal of the EU vision, and so the endgame is to make Britain feel as much pain as possible.

But when the UK adjusts to the new reality -- as surely it will -- even if it takes 3-5 years, other nations will see that it CAN be done, and the entire project will start crumbling.

So the irony is this -- had the EU negotiated in good faith to allow a smooth exit, other nations would have followed suit. So EU is simply cutting the UK loose, in the hopes that it will be SO painful, other states will hesitate. But when other states see that, in fact, adjustment IS possible, others states will, inevitable, follow suit.

The EU's position is untenable. They lose either way.

Blogger Johnny February 13, 2019 11:08 AM  

Trade restrictions for political reasons are a double edged sword. They cut both ways. The EU can't hurt the Brits unless it hurts itself at the same time. It sounds like the EU does not have the internal strength to take on the level of sacrifice needed to do Britain serious damage.

Blogger Unknown February 13, 2019 11:15 AM  

>British Mozzarella
in the end, it came down to the cheese.

Blogger pyrrhus February 13, 2019 11:28 AM  

>Theresa May has been among the most inept negotiators in the history of political negotiations -- in fact, the Brexit negotiating process will be studied for years to come as an example of how NOT to do it.

Theresa May doesn't have much of a brain, but the main reason she was made PM was to sabotage Brexit...Fortunately, she called the disastrous election and botched that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 13, 2019 11:32 AM  

DAMN SON wrote:in the end, it came down to the cheese.
It always comes down to cheese.

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2019 11:41 AM  

Stepping back, PM May seems to be tacking the ship into a No Deal situation. She knows Parliament will never agree to a rotten deal and the EU is never going to allow any other kind.

So just who is in command of the situation? Teresa May may have winked at the EU negotiators when they gave her the trash bag of crummy deals, all of which appear to be crafted to force the UK into a No Deal corner. What is anybody thinking? Maybe the EU does not want a deal either, hoping to cut the UK out of the trade circle in Europe. That would only mean more customers and more money in their own pockets.

Napoleon tried the same thing....and it very nearly worked, except for the rest of the British Empire. And that is exactly why it will not bring the Brits to their knees this time either. The UK is an island nation long-dependent on sea trade and they can still do well trading with the USA, India, Middle East, and Far East, which has nothing to do with the EU.

I completely agree with Vox. A No Deal clean break is the best outcome and the Remainers have been slow-walking the break from the EU for years now and they are running out of feeble excuses and escapes.

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2019 11:47 AM  

Winston Churchill used to say that the Americans always do the Right Thing...but ONLY after they have exhausted every other possible alternative.

The same observation seems to apply to Brexit and the British political class.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 13, 2019 11:51 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:What is anybody thinking? Maybe the EU does not want a deal either,

They are hoping they can inflict enough pain and chaos that Italy, Greece and Hungary will decide it's too hard to leave.
May is hoping that she can save the British people from themselves and stay in the EU. Let's face it, without some triumph of some kind, Tories are toast in the next election. So she's desperately seeking a triumph. Problem is, the only triumph available would have been to simply walk away from the EU two years ago. The pain would be over by now, and nobody besides a bunch of bureaucrats and academicians would have thought badly of her for it.

Blogger Maniac February 13, 2019 11:57 AM  

As a Christian, I subscribe to the theory that states that the EU is the political platform that the Antichrist rules from. The more nationalism and populism, the better.

Blogger horsewithnonick February 13, 2019 12:04 PM  

It scans almost like very dry satire.

Blogger Sillon February 13, 2019 12:12 PM  

May is hoping that she can save the British people from themselves and stay in the EU. Let's face it, without some triumph of some kind, Tories are toast in the next election. So she's desperately seeking a triumph. Problem is, the only triumph available would have been to simply walk away from the EU two years ago. The pain would be over by now, and nobody besides a bunch of bureaucrats and academicians would have thought badly of her for it.

One can't expect brilliant political reasoning from a childless woman.

Blogger John Best. February 13, 2019 12:19 PM  

Jolly Good, as the Saxons chanted at the Normans before the battle of Hastings, OUT! OUT! OUT!

Blogger Matamoros February 13, 2019 12:25 PM  

The Brits are in somewhat the same position as the South these United States. The South joined with the other sovereign States of America to produce the nation called the United States. The States freely joined with the understanding that they were not giving up their sovereignty, but only delegating parts of it to a confederated government for common defense and certain other reasons.

It was understood that as sovereign States the full sovereignty could be resumed by withdrawing from the Union at any time should the Union prove not in service of its aims or onerous upon the States; and that the central government only had nominal control over the sovereign States as per Article 10 of the Constitution, and all other powers remained with the States (States Rights).

When however States began to exercise their sovereignty to withdraw from the Union, Lincoln raised an army to invade the new country the withdrawing States had established, the Confederate States of America, and did invade first border States to prevent their exercise of sovereignty to withdraw, and then invaded the Confederacy to destroy it and force the unwilling States back into the now all powerful federal government, effectively destroying constitutional government.

Can the Brits withdraw before the EU Army becomes a fact? Can they resist the EU’s efforts to hold them against their will. The South is a lesson for Britain, as the invasion of Britain by the EU may well become the first action of the EU Army.

Blogger Rickaby007 February 13, 2019 12:39 PM  

JF has made a reply to your latest post, attacking you.
https://youtu.be/vlj2WEPjd98?t=9533

Blogger pyrrhus February 13, 2019 12:46 PM  

>Winston Churchill used to say that the Americans always do the Right Thing...but ONLY after they have exhausted every other possible alternative.

So when do we stop fighting wars for Israel and build the wall?

Blogger pyrrhus February 13, 2019 12:48 PM  

@15 I've taught 4th graders who are much smarter than JF, and have better manners too.....

Blogger Krymneth February 13, 2019 12:51 PM  

Purge187 wrote:As a Christian, I subscribe to the theory that states that the EU is the political platform that the Antichrist rules from.

I'm beginning to think it may actually be the EU's successor. At this point there's enough K-swing, nationalist, right-wing swing starting up that I think it's going to have to swing all the way around again before another EU will be able to start up. The stored up pressure is immense.

But if that all happens and after the chaos, prosperity reigns again, the next equivalent of the Boomer generation is going to make the Boomers look like self-sacrificing pro-civilizationists. The prosperity of the 1950s and 1960s will look like poverty next to the prosperity the 2030s and 2040s could have.

Plus I find I can read more of Revelation as literal truth, described as best as possible with a first-century Greek's language and understanding of the world, if I can assume another 30-50 years technological development. Try reading the events of Revelation as the description of a near-Singularity techno-dystopia, where the Mark of the Beast is not merely a relatively harmless RFID chip as Christians have been flipping out about for the last 30 years, but a full complicated system capable of ensuring that you never choose Jesus via some fairly easy-to-imagine mind control techniques when you've got a literally-embedded agent (good ol' Pavlov alone would be sufficient to drive the actions of these things, let alone more sophisticated stuff), which is why nobody who takes the Mark can ever go to Heaven, not merely figuratively, but literally, and causally. Read some of the locusts as swarms of land-based drones in military confrontations. Etc.

Contra my follow Christians who always think the End of the World is At Hand, I rather suspect that at my middle age I won't actually live to see it because it's a ways off yet.

But the Father is in control of the schedule. I'm just peering through a glass darkly at text that at times might as well be tea leaves....

Blogger Krymneth February 13, 2019 12:52 PM  

Rickaby007 wrote:JF has made a reply to your latest post, attacking you

Is it rhetoric or dialectic?

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia February 13, 2019 1:00 PM  

Can the Brits withdraw before the EU Army becomes a fact? Can they resist the EU’s efforts to hold them against their will. The South is a lesson for Britain, as the invasion of Britain by the EU may well become the first action of the EU Army.

If the Wehrmacht couldn’f do it, I doubt any EU army could.


Blogger Lightning in My Hands February 13, 2019 1:12 PM  

Matamoros wrote:

When however States began to exercise their sovereignty to withdraw from the Union, Lincoln raised an army to invade the new country the withdrawing States had established, the Confederate States of America, and did invade first border States to prevent their exercise of sovereignty to withdraw, and then invaded the Confederacy to destroy it and force the unwilling States back into the now all powerful federal government, effectively destroying constitutional government.



OT but it is difficult for me to reconcile my favor for state sovereignty with the timely eradication of slavery. Then again, slavery still exists in may different forms, in many different places today.

Blogger Matamoros February 13, 2019 1:14 PM  

The England of today isn't even a shadow of the England of 1940

Blogger Silly but True February 13, 2019 1:19 PM  

It’s folly for UK to rely on anything the EU or EU menber States might deign to allow it.

Britain needs to get over its imposter syndrome and leverage what it can do with those it can deal with.

Merkel directed tgat no negotiation can start until UK had Brexit vote, all but guaranteeing the only reasonable outcome at time of voting which could ever be presumed would be No Deal.

UK just needs to worry about keeping its pound-sterlings in its own pockets, reasonable and fully equitable bilateral residency agreements, and assurjng sufficient access to markets worldwide to allow British workers and economy to excel.

I woukd have said prior to 2015 that they could rely on the special relationship with US to maintain support. But since they chose to illegally interfere in our 2016 US Presidential Election, I’d tell Trump to tell them bollucks. But I suspect Trump already knows the extent of their stabbing us in the back and gives them a couple of kicks come April 1.

Blogger cloom February 13, 2019 1:23 PM  

The UK is an island nation long-dependent on sea trade and they can still do well trading with the USA, India, Middle East, and Far East, which has nothing to do with the EU.

I thought we were for Sinking UK Ships so they don't have 80% support for a homoist Indian Italian-cheese eater.

Blogger Lovekraft February 13, 2019 1:27 PM  

Whether you care for labels or not, this excerpt from an American Thinker article is worth nothing:

"reactionary populism. Which can be defined as promoting the economic well-being of the working class while protecting the cultural and societal foundations of the nation."

Blogger Lovekraft February 13, 2019 1:31 PM  

Ireland Prime Minister VARADKAR?

Yeah, I see no problem there at all. Of course his aim wouldn't be to bring as many of his people to that nation.

sarc off.

Blogger John Best. February 13, 2019 2:05 PM  

Just on the trade point, people saying Britain is dependent on sea trade. This is because of the globalism. We have sold off vast amounts of our fish, oil and gas, to feed the globalist system, as well as importing vast numbers of not-British people and products from around the world, which we never needed. We still have huge coal reserves under Britain, which we can tap into as well. I think the key to Britain is protecting our nation from globalism, removing the not-British populations and paying down the private debt.

Blogger justaguy February 13, 2019 2:09 PM  

I have no idea if the UK will be able to free itself from the clutches of the EU. the Ireland question and N.Ireland specifically are a big factor. But as far as the ability of the EU to play the North states and conquer the UK--I would bet on the UK resisting. the traditions of seamanship in the UK are centuries long and still maintained with their submarine force. The EU hasn't any military tradition-- so I doubt if force will become an issue.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 2:09 PM  

John Best wrote:I think the key to Britain is protecting our nation from globalism, removing the not-British populations and paying down the private debt.

Is there a nation for which those are not the key issues?

Blogger VD February 13, 2019 2:10 PM  

JF has made a reply to your latest post, attacking you.

Who cares? He's an irrelevant degenerate of modest intelligence. I have no further interest in him.

Blogger Ilk in Training February 13, 2019 2:22 PM  

@18
I understand and agree with you. What I am amazed about though is as things happen (EU, technology advances, etc.) and just when I'm certain things stabilize, another front opens up and the speed with which new things happen is breathtaking. I just trust in the Lord and hold on for dear life.

Blogger Ilk in Training February 13, 2019 2:23 PM  

@30
OUCH! What is worse:

1. The Dark Lord turning his gaze upon you to consider your destruction.
2. The Dark Lord dismissing you or, worse, ignoring you completely.

Blogger Blogger February 13, 2019 2:24 PM  

@19 @30 Members of a certain tribe used to always dutifully report to me when others I didn't care about "attacked" me online too. I didn't notice the pattern of just who was doing most of this until I started reading /pol/.

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2019 3:19 PM  

> So to summarise, I can’t see a delay of 3, 9 or 21 months producing a deal, and therefore any delay seems unlikely to be granted.

I'm not certain the Queen will countenance an extension.

> Stepping back, PM May seems to be tacking the ship into a No Deal situation. She knows Parliament will never agree to a rotten deal and the EU is never going to allow any other kind.

Exactly, and that was the case from the start. A hard Brexit was the only kind that was ever going to happen.

> The UK is an island nation long-dependent on sea trade and they can still do well trading with the USA, India, Middle East, and Far East, which has nothing to do with the EU.

Don't forget Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

Blogger John Best. February 13, 2019 3:20 PM  

@29 yes. All nations have different key issues they need to solve. Ireland needs to have an actual economy and have stable demographics, the Portuguese need to build up their navy and Polish need to get out of the EU and NATO. The private debt and not-British populations are specific key issues for Britain, as once we solve these issues we have no strategic weaknesses stopping us from controlling out own destiny in Western Europe. These are huge key issues though, which are very difficult to solve without causing an economic depression or civil war, there is a lot of tact and maneuvering involved to solve these issues. Because the British state was so tied in with the globalist project from the later 1700's onward the British nation will struggle to untangle itself from it more than than less globalized nations like Poland or Portugal, Ireland is in deep poop because they have recently pull all their chips on the globalists, just as they are failing. The British have at least started to pull back and untangle ourselves. This is why I voted to leave the EU, the sooner we started to untangling process the better.

Blogger allyn71 February 13, 2019 3:21 PM  

but my prediction remains: No Brexit, because in a debt-drowned world

I hear the cheers from the British people already. The issue has been in doubt till now but there can be no better predictor of a No Deal Brexit than your affirmation that it won't happen.

Blogger John Best. February 13, 2019 3:33 PM  

@35 I think we need to forget about Australia, Canada and New Zealand, they don't matter. They are too far away, no longer British and have serious structural problems within their states. I don't want to be trading with any states that close to collapsing. We should be looking to a Mercantilist system for Britain, in which the nations around us matter. Ireland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark and Portugal, these actual nations matter far more to Britain now. And if we have a proper navy, we could create our own Mercantilist trade zone with these nations and have actual military alliance with them which we can enforce. We have never been able to defend Australia, Canada or New Zealand, we should stop trying to do so.

All this East of Suez, globalist pipe dream the British state has is draining our resources, just to annoy the Chinese and Iran, it is wrong to try and do things we can not do. We can project power into the South Atlantic and get oil/gas from Angola if we really wanted to annoy the Chinese.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 3:51 PM  

John Best wrote:All nations have different key issues they need to solve.

I suppose so. For Americans, avoiding globalism, getting rid of non-Americans and dealing with debt are primary problems.

I suspect that any nation which quashes globalism within its borders, expels enough non-nationals and has its debt under control is going to find that a lot of other problems solve themselves.

Blogger Solon February 13, 2019 4:10 PM  

Depends (((who))) you ask.

Blogger Duh-ave February 13, 2019 4:12 PM  

@14 As weak as England has become they still have the Channel and nukes. Invasion can still happen because Crazy and a lack of respect for the island's leadership. No idea which way to bet.

@ 34 France's King Philip IV knew how to deal with banksters. Makes me feel all warm inside thinking of the possibilities.

Blogger Solon February 13, 2019 4:20 PM  

Everyone forgets them. To the world's view, Canada, apart from Quebec, is basically an American vassal. And yes, Canadians I'm sure would disagree.

Hell, as an American, I like Canadians. Extremely amicable people. Haven't met a Canadian I didn't like yet. But I'm not going to pretend like their opinions hold any real weight in Western politics today.

I'm all for Candians throwing off the globalist yoke and asserting their own place on the world's stage... But I also wouldn't be opposed to even closer ties to them as an American either.

Hell, we accept Candian government ID as valid for alcohol purchases in Pennsylvania, one of the strictest states in the Union on alcohol purchase and consumption. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that, if Canada made overtures toward becoming an actual American state a la Puerto Rico, that many Americans would be opposed to it.

That said, tying themselves to a collapsing empire would be a phenomenally stupid idea, but hey, they're already essentially American in everything but sovereignty.

Excluding Quebecois. Those guys are strange as all get out.

Blogger Lance E February 13, 2019 4:36 PM  

Isn't the conclusion based on an implicit premise that the extensions are for the purpose of reaching a deal, as opposed to simply being excuses for further delays?

Yes, a 21-month extension is unlikely to change anything at all. But that's the point, it's 21 more months of resource extraction for the parasites, and they'll just keep demanding more extensions as the due dates approach.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 13, 2019 6:11 PM  

This whole thing reminds me a bit of "The Deal or No Deal" game show by Noel Edmund. Drawing lots, and going by whatever numbers they think they can get away with. I remember seeing Noel Edmund's house party with Mr Blobby as a child. Was before "Big Break", a snooker trick-shot tv show.

Blogger English Tom February 13, 2019 6:41 PM  

@KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia

A financial analyst on YouTube called Strategian states that if/when the UK leaves the EU, the EU will definitely collapse (He produces some shocking numbers and stats on this subject).
This is why the whole Brexit situation has been so acrimonious. The EU bureaucrats are fighting for their existence.

Blogger English Tom February 13, 2019 6:53 PM  

@Lovekraft

Apparently He is a homo, so what type of people will he be bringing in!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 7:24 PM  

Solon, Canadians are socialists, like Swedes. Wonderful people, but socialists. We want them right there in Canada, not part of us.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton February 13, 2019 7:47 PM  

@ 25: "reactionary populism. Which can be defined as promoting the economic well-being of the working class while protecting the cultural and societal foundations of the nation."

That is superb. I love it and I have saved it

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2019 8:30 PM  

> Hell, as an American, I like Canadians. Extremely amicable people. Haven't met a Canadian I didn't like yet.

Likewise, though it's been about five years since I was up there. For some strange reason they always seemed to think we were from northern Canada when we visited.

And yes, they're fully leftist compared to the US, and now that their government has embraced diversity, they're headed for the same level of pain we're experiencing.

Blogger Ahărôwn February 13, 2019 9:19 PM  

Canada is indeed an American colony, as I've noted here before. Previously it was British, before that French. Now some parts of our government are trying to serve two masters, but I prefer Americans to the Chinese.

As far as socialism goes, that's true, although historically it was more along Swiss socialism - something most people hardly used, with the exception of our healthcare system, which boomers still love to laud. Also, don't forget that large provinces like Ontario and BC are more like Pennsylvania or California - liberal in urban areas, conservative in the hinterlands.

Part of the problem is that our traditional British majority has been greatly diluted for a long time - Toronto, for instance, lost it's predominantly ethnically British after the Second World War with immigration from other European countries.

However, don't count us out yet. Canadians are interesting people - things don't change, until they do, and that quite suddenly. The 2005 Saskatchewan provincial election is illustrative.

It's also reading about Brexit, as our parliamentary systems are so similar.

Blogger Ahărôwn February 13, 2019 9:20 PM  

*interesting

Blogger Crew February 13, 2019 10:12 PM  

"The change it had to come, we knew it all along!"

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2019 10:43 PM  

@21 Dauntless

"OT but it is difficult for me to reconcile my favor for state sovereignty with the timely eradication of slavery. Then again, slavery still exists in may different forms, in many different places today."

The only reason slavery continued in some of the states with more temperate climes was cotton (and to a much lesser extent because of tobacco). The South had no purpose for cotton other than to sell it to textile manufacturers in Abolitionist states and the UK. Cotton was a cash crop that was only grown because someone else wanted to buy it. Without a hefty reward, there would have been no cotton to speak of.

Had the Abolitionists in New England and the UK actually been bothered by Negro slavery, they could have announced in advance that they would not buy any more cotton that had been picked by slaves. A great deal of cotton was already produced by yeoman farmers and tenants, but the ban on cotton produced by slaves would have in effect ended black slavery without a destructive war. The slaves would have been re-exported to the Caribbean islands and South America and no longer remain in the USA, rather than turned loose on the countryside. This would have prevented the wholesale destruction of virtually every major city in the nation.

Just as after the civil war ended, the same cotton-producing fields were soon back in production using non-slave labor, the same thing could have occurred without the destructive and expensive civil war. There would not have been a Reconstruction Era, or Jim Crow era, or Civil Rights era....an ugly legacy that continues to this day.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 14, 2019 1:25 PM  

I think what would have ended slavery would have been removing the laws that enforced slavery.

Slavery is legalism. The 1st Earl of Hardwicke did an opinion... that slavery was legal. Though didn't bring in laws enforcing it as far as I know.

Unless people are going to be outright killed or worked to death, maintaining slavery seems impractical. I heard rumours that people were buried in the concrete to construct roads in Norway transporting Swedish steel. I guess the Great Wall of China is another example.

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