Saturday, February 16, 2019

"Pretty good read"

Humanity's Greatest Thinker addresses Jordanetics, or as he calls it, "Dianetics" and describes it as a "pretty good read".
Interviewer: Well, it's hilarious you you kind of get, your celebrity gets co-opted from people on all sorts of parts of the political spectrum, and extremes of the political spectrum, doesn't it.

Jordan Peterson: Well, I think there's some of that. I don't know it's co-opted too much on the radical left, let's say, although I certainly face the majority of my opposition from the radical left but the radical right types are not very fond of me either. There was a new book written called Dianetics by a rather reprehensible individual named Vox Day and if you want to find out what the ethno nationalists think about me that's a pretty good read. I wouldn't call it precisely complementary.
Jordanetics is a pretty good read and/or listen. It's also a pretty thorough demonstration that Jordan Peterson is considerably worse than reprehensible. He's downright evil and he is preaching an extremely evil and destructive philosophy.

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Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 8:04 AM  

You’re on his radar, ie you’re over the target.

Good to know.

Wonder if he paid to read it?

Blogger #7139 February 16, 2019 8:12 AM  

reprehensible individual named Vox Day

What a great review by Humanity’s Greatest Thinker.

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 8:12 AM  

Theory as to why he called it dyanetics?

Blogger The Cooler February 16, 2019 8:12 AM  

Living rent-free inside the mind of humanity's greatest thinker?


Blogger maniacprovost February 16, 2019 8:14 AM  

I wonder why he would bring it up.

The fascinating thing about Peterson, unlike most of Them, is he is partially driven by a personality or some kind of aesthetic or neurosis. He says things that are not 100% calculated for his intended goals.

Blogger Dave February 16, 2019 8:15 AM  

or as he calls it, "Dianetics"

What a huge tell.

Wonder if he paid to read it?

Somebody mentioned on a Darkstream some time back they gave him a copy. There's a video of the exchange floating around.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2019 8:16 AM  

"Theory as to why he called it dyanetics?"

Freudian slip.

Blogger Dave February 16, 2019 8:19 AM  

I wouldn't call it precisely complementary

Or complimentary.

Blogger Good Will February 16, 2019 8:23 AM  

And Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager are mid-wit, evil people, too, according to VD. (I like VD, even though I think he called me a "lying little creep" and a "wicked, fork-tongued Mormon"!)

I like Ben Shapiro! I think he's doing a GREAT job confronting and demolishing the Left! Dennis Prager does a marvelous job of communicating wholesome, godly values while debunking leftist tropes. Prager University is a wonderful influence, upholding the pillars of Western Civilization!

Why does VD attack these men so? Are not "they who are not against us...for us"?

Blogger Grey Man February 16, 2019 8:23 AM  

He didn’t read it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 16, 2019 8:24 AM  

Never found him remotely interesting but the "radical left" phrase leaves me curious, if I had the energy I would ask him what is the radical left, who populates it, what do they advocate and why and how do you oppose it. I guarantee you a good fiat dollar he would not answer in any coherence. His and the Shapirotons job is to protect the right flank of Globaloneyism from the productive serfs.

Blogger LibertyPortraits February 16, 2019 8:26 AM  

I can't stand this guy anymore. I very much dislike his word crafting.

Blogger Nym Coy February 16, 2019 8:30 AM  

New cover! "a pretty good read." - Jordan Peterson.

Blogger Stilicho February 16, 2019 8:33 AM  

And the transcript is inadvertently correct: the book is quite complementary.

Blogger David The Good February 16, 2019 8:44 AM  

Good Will wrote:And Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager are mid-wit, evil people, too, according to VD. (I like VD, even though I think he called me a "lying little creep" and a "wicked, fork-tongued Mormon"!)

I like Ben Shapiro! I think he's doing a GREAT job confronting and demolishing the Left! Dennis Prager does a marvelous job of communicating wholesome, godly values while debunking leftist tropes. Prager University is a wonderful influence, upholding the pillars of Western Civilization!

Why does VD attack these men so? Are not "they who are not against us...for us"?

They are against us.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 16, 2019 8:44 AM  

Vox, you are now my favorite reprehensible individual. (Some days the advertising just takes care of itself.)

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 8:47 AM  

“A person born in japan can be more American than say a person born in Ohio”
-Ben Shapiro

The same man who supports Israel’s ethnic based immigration policy denies the existence of the American nationality. He has nothing to do with us and is not on our side.

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 8:49 AM  

Also open your eyes. He’s not demoslishing the left. Texas is going to go blue because of immigration in our lifetime.

Benji is too afraid of being called racist to do anything about it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 16, 2019 8:55 AM  

What does Peterson think of Israel's immigration policies? I personally like them, and I find zionism intellectually interesting, I wonder if Peterson finds zionism intellectually interesting?

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 8:56 AM  

You can tell he had a little cry reading it haha.
He'll know one day idols derive from the devil, but the iconoclast is of God.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 16, 2019 9:00 AM  

Comedy Gold!

Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 16, 2019 9:05 AM  

Link to Arkhaven store..., Typo? >>Forward by: Milo Yiannopoulos<<

I'm no native speaker, but don't you mean Foreword?

Blogger Lazarus February 16, 2019 9:07 AM  

By using the term "reprehensible", is he damning with faint praise?

What a snake.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart February 16, 2019 9:13 AM  

@23, Les Repréhensibles

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 16, 2019 9:22 AM  

Reprehensible sounds much more like a badge of honour than deplorable.

Blogger MagisterLudi February 16, 2019 9:28 AM  

Ben Shapiro tweeted Trump should not declare a national emergency. All he would do is say "really? really?" as the US falls apart from an open border. He's not for us.

Also "a rather reprehensible individual", what part of Supreme Dark Lord did JBP not understand?

Blogger JG February 16, 2019 9:28 AM  

I watched "Hoaxed" last night, which has an interview where Peterson makes his inane quote:

"Remember, falsehoods have consequences. That's what makes them false."

Dunno if the editor meant to do it, but the video looks stretched vertically, and Peterson looks exactly like one of those statues on Easter Island.

Blogger McChuck February 16, 2019 9:31 AM  

"what the ethno nationalists think about me"

Demonstrating once again that JBP is not an ethno-nationalist.
He also doesn't seem to understand that a nation is an ethnicity. Or he is using rhetoric to disparage both terms. It's hard to tell with his patented "mumble vaguely and talk around things" style of speech.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 16, 2019 9:44 AM  

@17: A person born to American parents in Japan can definitely be more American than say a person born to new Somali immigrants in Ohio.

I know that's probably not what Benji mean't, but I can only read what is there.

Blogger Fargoth February 16, 2019 9:44 AM  

He can be confident, his audience doesn't read.

Blogger tuberman February 16, 2019 9:45 AM  

"... Dianetics by a rather reprehensible individual named Vox Day..."

Now you're accused of starting Scientology, and Demons like him create the middle ground so that some inverted reality can hold together.

Aaand, some weird shill arrives touting how all the most inane cucks are helping "us" defeat the Left. This is causing me to snark, and I don't even like snark, except sometimes.

Blogger Fargoth February 16, 2019 9:46 AM  

Reprehensible, Deplorable, NOT AN ARGUMENT

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 9:49 AM  

In the context of his speech he was trying to show that a Japanese person can be more American than a daughter of the American Revolution if they imbue American values better, the typical CivNat line.

I will try to find the YAF speech in which he said it to give the context.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 9:49 AM  

So funny to hear Jordan calling Supreme Dark Lord deserving of censure given that Jordan is suing Wilfid Laurier for reprehensible and defamatory characterizations of the plaintiff.

Blogger Matt February 16, 2019 9:53 AM  

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Blogger Balkan Yankee February 16, 2019 10:04 AM  

Lest I forget: Hey L. Ron Hubbard, you can take off the Vox Day mask. We know it's you.

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 10:12 AM  

@: Longtime Lurker

I found the Benji clip. Relevant part is at 57:00 mins in. Makes me sick listening to him talk about the danger of tribal identity while he is himself a tribal identitarian.

How on earth does his audience not notice the contradiction?

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 10:12 AM  

Here’s the link

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 10:16 AM  

I misremembered his exact wording regarding the Japan issue. But his argument is basically, as usual, that borders and heritage don’t matter. Muh judeo Chrisitan values and assimilation are all that matter.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 16, 2019 11:09 AM  

@9 Ben Shapiro has made it quite clear he is happy to sell out white people in this country. He is not our ally.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 16, 2019 11:09 AM  

@40: No need. I get it. To me, Benji is a civ nat when it's convenient, but always the advocate for his no longer homeless tribe.

About my comment: Do you think Benji really intended for someone to interpret his statement the way I did? Methinks not. Which makes his shilling inadvertently funny at times.

Blogger stevo February 16, 2019 11:14 AM  

Could there be a manufactured drama of fake over-the-top leftism (OAC) being attacked by fake reasonable conservatism (IDW) just to make us think we are politically engaged when in fact we're just watching soap opera.

Blogger Fuzzums Wuzzums February 16, 2019 11:18 AM  

Requited Hate wrote:He didn’t read it.

I had this vivid image of PewDiePie going: "Jordan Peterson did an oopsie!". We know he lies so probably someone else summarized it for him. Had he read it himself I doubt he would have brought any attention to it.

Blogger Miguel February 16, 2019 11:31 AM  

The sad character can't even 1) say the correct title (lest is catches on) or 2) he really misnamed it, which means he is a fool.

Why would anyone trust this guy is beyond me.

By the way, Vox, you KNOW he didn't read the book, right? He is an idiot.

Blogger Birdman February 16, 2019 11:36 AM  

@9 i don't know if you're joking or not

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 16, 2019 11:40 AM  

Control@9 is control.

Blogger Solon February 16, 2019 12:04 PM  

"If you want to find out what the etho nationalists think of me"

I can hear the scorn pouring out of his voice when I read that.


I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. If it is sarcasm, good job, you got a chuckle out of me.

If it isn't sarcasm, VD was perfectly correct to call you a "lying little creep" and a "fork-tongued Mormon."

Blogger Birdman February 16, 2019 12:09 PM  

@29 ethno nationlist is redundant

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 16, 2019 12:14 PM  

Peterson knows exactly that the book is called Jordanetics. He just tries to signal that he regards it as irrelevant, he just heard about from somebody, never read it, never saw it, is not sure about the title...
Being a compulsory liar also makes it easy for him to feign indifference when in reality he is shaken to the bone.

Blogger Constantin February 16, 2019 12:17 PM  

This demonstrates that a) he clearly hasn't read it, because if he did he would do his best not to draw attention to the book and b) he is bothered by its existence. Good. Let him sweat.

Blogger peacefulposter February 16, 2019 12:22 PM  

Is the check in the mail for that nice bump in book sales you just received?

Blogger cecilhenry February 16, 2019 12:24 PM  

IF Peterson was open to REAL informed dialogue we would see a Peterson - E Michael Jones dialogue.

But we never will. Jordan won't dare. His handlers won't allow it.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 12:32 PM  

JBP hits like a girl. Declaring that someone deserves censure without explaining why is reprehensible.

Ethno nationalism is redundant jargon designed to confuse the speaker and listener into believing that citizenship is nationality and that through the descent of man bloodrites and birthrites do not exist but in the minds of fools.

Of course, neither are true. We know JBP speaks from the edges of his mouth and cold reads his audience in each situation to best fit whatever bugaboo he's ruminating on that day. He exists moment-to-moment and is ever checking over his shoulder for unknown threats.

What hurts JBP doesn't hurt the mentally well and morally upright, and what threats he sees are those that would hurt only the dis-eased wastrels like himself. Of course he is scared of team work. He can't play fair and refuses to try.

He can't even play dirty with style. Even if he were right and our host reprehensible, the critique JBP offers is neither convincing or entertaining. Instead, it tells us more about his Pied Piper tactics.

Blogger stevo February 16, 2019 12:41 PM  

The "rather" is insulting

Blogger dh February 16, 2019 12:46 PM  

Living rent free in his head.

It's sort of odd how many secret kings you manage to find in the course of going about your business.

Blogger Nate73 February 16, 2019 12:49 PM  

Those word mannerisms which initially make him sound smart grate a lot when you read them in text. "Let's say". "Precisely".

Jordan, did you steal Owen's lawn mower to pay your gambling debts?

Blogger stevo February 16, 2019 12:49 PM  

I don't think he could bear not reading it. It's about him!

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 12:50 PM  

The joker can't even look in the camera while he says Vox Day. It's so yellowbellied I want to spit.

Blogger Garuna February 16, 2019 12:52 PM  

@Good Will

Those who lack any kind of discernment deserve exactly what they get.

Blogger pyrrhus February 16, 2019 12:54 PM  

Comparing VD to L.Ron Hubbard--is that a compliment?

Blogger Giraffe February 16, 2019 1:16 PM  

Obiviously he called it "Dianetics" because he didn't want to refer to the actual title so that people could read it.

A google of "Dianetics Jordan Peterson" Gets you there anyway, via this article:

Anonymous Anonymous February 16, 2019 1:23 PM  

When social galactic 2.0 is up and running I'll have to add #reprehensible to #deplorable, #unsavoury, #gg #ilk in my bio.

Lefties can't meme or take a joke.

Blogger Joe Smith February 16, 2019 1:31 PM  

Actually, he could answer all those questions. I'm not saying he wouldn't be shifty with it, but those are sitters for him. He'd say the radical left are those on the left pushing identity politics, and he opposes it by attempting the generalized strengthening of the individual.

More difficult questions for him would be those around globalism and why he thinks nationalism must be stamped out for the sake of humanity. He'd become incoherent immediately if he tried to answer that. I'm sure he'd just talk about Nazis and then trail off.

Blogger Silent Draco February 16, 2019 1:34 PM  

Reprehensible, now. Glad to be in the best of company. JBP is discovering that the ride never ends.

Blogger tuberman February 16, 2019 1:35 PM  

50. Solon

Black Pigeon Speaks is one of the few people good at snark these days, and @9 is a example of poor snark, thus IMO his indeterminate sarcasm is shilling.

JP is a long-term paid Buckley type shill, and it is funny to watch his intellectual posturing. Can you imagine if Stephan's channel was backed by the MockingBird media, (he wouldn't, as he is the real deal) and JP is a Fake Stephan, pretending to stand for culture and open dialogue. In fact, he is the mirror or inversion of a Stephen.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 16, 2019 1:37 PM  

Peterson is trying to pull the same truck that my grandfather did when referring to rappers. He called Snoop Dogg "Hoppy Bunny" and Tupac and Ice T "a 2 pack of Ice tea".

The difference is my grandfather could kick your ass in the middle of having a heart attack.

Blogger Welleran February 16, 2019 1:56 PM  

If nothing else, you've got to credit Peterson for calling you an ethno nationalist and not a white supremacist. That's got to put him in the 98th percentile among people who don't like you.

Blogger dumnonia-watchman February 16, 2019 2:07 PM  

I wonder if Vox would like to take on, and take out, the evil NrX guy known as Jim? He's a super-deceiver, but openly admits he's after forming a new religion. He wrote a post recently about Vox's view on evolution, but he's a lightweight compared to Vox.

Meanwhile, Jehovah closed the S&P500 futures at 2777.75 on Friday, a nice touch,ahead of the big crash into 27th February. I've had so many signs and visions about this, it's been an incredible month.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 16, 2019 2:08 PM  

So the Wizard of Poz thinks it's a "Pretty Good Read". I must admit it's not your standard SJW or Approved/Controlled opposition response (poorly-written, hate-hate, badthink, rayciss). Why one would almost think he's trying to somehow spin it into promoting Jordanetics, the science of cleaning your room.

Blogger David D February 16, 2019 2:14 PM  

Proud of you Vox.Truth is scary for these kind of faggots.

Blogger Lovekraft February 16, 2019 2:17 PM  

I'm still waiting for Peterson to provide detailed tactics to unravel the vast Sorosian shakedown rackets among Diversity Industry, dismantle the aura of power behind social media mobs, overturn Orwellian intrusive laws.

Everything else just seems like more 70s era of self-actualization psychobabble.

Blogger VD February 16, 2019 2:18 PM  

Why does VD attack these men so? Are not "they who are not against us...for us"?

Because they are evil men who worship Satan and are against Jesus Christ, America, and Western civilization.

As you would understand if you weren't a wicked little Mormon worm.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon February 16, 2019 2:18 PM  

Peterson doesn't seem to be aware that most of Jordanetics has nothing to do with ethnic nationalism. The bulk of the content is about Peterson's actual writing. Citations from his books, such as the really weird and disturbing dreams. Mapping his writing onto occult/esoteric thinkers like Crowley.

He's tossing the ethno-nationalist stuff to his viewers to convince them that this is the only content in the book, desperately trying to make sure that they don't read the more substantive critiques of his doctrines.

Blogger Lance E February 16, 2019 2:25 PM  

Count me among those surprised he didn't flat-out call you a White Supremacist. That's progress!

Being called "reprehensible", that must really sting; but I'm sure the SDL will find a way to move on.

Blogger Living in a Fallen World February 16, 2019 2:32 PM  

While Jordan Peterson claims that he makes every effort to speak precisely, I don't think he called Jordanetics Dianetics on purpose. I don't think it was meant to keep people from finding the book, and I don't think it was some secret slight. Rather, I believe it was just an accident. He misspoke, and understandably, largely because he probably thinking about the rhetorical strength of the title.

Jordan calls Vox reprehensible. He doesn't explain why. On one hand, I'd love to hear his reasoning as to why he thinks Vox is reprehensible, but after giving it a second of thought, I don't think his answer would be surprising. I'm guessing it's because he believes Vox engages in identity politics.

Identity politics. This idea of ethno-nationalism. That's clearly the divide. Jordan's philosophy exalts the individual. It boils down to a basic premise: judge people based on the content of their character and nothing else, nothing else.

Which is a seductive argument. It appeals to a basic goodness, and if all else were equal, meaning if everyone else thought that way, then it would probably be a pretty functional philosophy.

But the more I think about things, the more I think the divide between Peterson and Vox is the exact same as the divide between the outspoken socialists and Vox.

Idealism versus practical reality.

The double think of the leftist is explained by idealism, or at least an odd and slanted version of idealism. How, for instance, can a leftist simultaneously believe that police can't be trusted while insisting that only the police should have guns? Well, the answer is in idealism, or so I imagine. To the leftist, in the ideal world regular folks don't have guns. Equally, in the ideal world, the cops are trustworthy because the government should be trustworthy. So, of course, in the ideal world, the only people who have the guns should be the trustworthy enforcers of the leftist's ideology.

Obviously, that's all ridiculous. We don't live in an ideal world. We live in a practical reality.

Blogger Living in a Fallen World February 16, 2019 2:33 PM  

The same thing is happening with Peterson, as far as I can figure. Peterson believes in the individual, and that would be great in the ideal world. But in the practical reality, it's not so great when you're the one believing and accommodating for individuals while trying to function as an individual against a full blown team out to get you.

Once upon a time, people talked about WASPS, the white anglo saxon protestants. That's a term you don't hear anymore. Ask any young person what a WASP is. They won't know, even if you make it clear that you're talking about a group of people. They won't know what group of people you're referring to. Now ask those same young people what a Jew is. Or any other demographic, for that matter. They'll know. They'll definitely know.

The dream of the individual was seeded in the WASP population. It was a wonderful dream that felt fair, right, and just. Unfortunately, all of the well-meaning altruists who adopted the philosophy lost their collective strength and sense of group identity.

Now, the descendant of the WASP either continues living in the parent's basement, contributing nothing, or gets kicked out early and wished the best of luck. Meanwhile, families from India are buying all the hotels in the country, and the Jewish people are running the media and the banks and the and the and the. Families in other demographics are pooling their resources, attacking the world. They're voting together. They're investing together.

And what's your offspring doing? Turning round and round, trying to find a place, fighting alone, picking up debt, taking pills, watching porn, wrecking marriages.

It's a Goddamn mess out there, people, and that's the practical reality.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I'm just frustrated, and I haven't slept in thirty days, and someone slipped me an apple cider while I wasn't looking, so.

Christ, save us.

Blogger Dave February 16, 2019 2:36 PM  

In other news related to good reads as noted at the Castalia House blog, House of Assassins (Saga of the Forgotten Warrior #2) the sequel to Son of the Black Sword by Larry Correia is now available.

Blogger Azimus February 16, 2019 2:37 PM  

Aren't the "Reprehensibles" the elite special operations unit of the VFM?

Blogger MJ Meyers February 16, 2019 2:48 PM  

Do you think he got the title of your book wrong b/c (a) he's purposefully misstating it so people won't find it (then why'd he name you by name?), (b) he didn't read it and doesn't remember enough about it to remember the title, or, perhaps, (c) a Freudian slip, since he knows the philosophy is akin to Hubbard's?

I find it suiting that he uses the word "reprehensible" to describe you, considering it's defined as "deserving of censure or condemnation." Isn't he supposed to be a Free Speech guy?

Blogger tublecane February 16, 2019 2:54 PM  

@23- No, it's one of their words that just means "thing that should shut up."

Blogger tublecane February 16, 2019 2:56 PM  

@28- Clearly this professor-professor and lecturer-lecturer doesn't understand the phenomenon of nationhood.

Blogger tublecane February 16, 2019 3:01 PM  

@53- To be fair, he implies Vox is of the "radical right" and says he's an "ethno-nationalist." One need know no more about him to judge him worthy of censure in Jordy's world.

Though the "thoroughly" modification does call for justification.

Blogger Jeroth February 16, 2019 3:12 PM  

He called it Dianetics because he wants to give the impression that he's only vaguely familiar with it. But you can rest assured the real title triggers him to his very core.

Blogger Bill February 16, 2019 3:17 PM  

Video of JP recieving a copy of Jordanetics. Skip to the end.

Guy: This is one of your critics.
JP: (laughs fearfully) Yeah, I know!

Blogger Bill February 16, 2019 3:26 PM  

I like how he immediately grabs it off the stack and causually shuffles it under the other books to hide it.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 16, 2019 3:47 PM  

The very cover of the book convicts him.

Blogger Door in the Hill February 16, 2019 3:56 PM  

I'm mostly in agreement, although I was rather unimpressed with the first argument in Jordanetics that I tried to verify. This was the story of dealing with his drunk landlord in the chapter on truth. Contrary to the Jordanetics version, where he fails to deal with the situation, on reading the original I find he describes failing to measure up several times and then solving the problem by dealing with it properly.

With the people I talk to, this kind of arguing is grounds for dismissing the entire thing, and that I found it in one out of one checks I made is concerning to me.

It also doesn't help that the order of narrative in that chapter described in Jordanetics is very different from the actual order I read in the original chapter.

Unfortunately I got away from reading and verifying, so I don't have more. Regarding nationalism, however, it seems abundantly clear to me that you are correct Vox.

Blogger tublecane February 16, 2019 4:05 PM  

@87- "with the people I talk to"

In your head?

Blogger weka February 16, 2019 4:06 PM  

He deliberately mispoke ot, probably haa not read it, and he knows Hubbard stole most of hos stuff from late Jung.

JBP is regularly on the fake. Tory talk shows in NZ bexause we sadly tolerate Canadians. He is Ezra Pound wirbout the talent.

Blogger Markku February 16, 2019 4:07 PM  

that's a pretty good read
--Jordan Peterson

Not just a pretty good read. A pretty good blurb for the back cover.

Blogger Door in the Hill February 16, 2019 4:13 PM  

@88 tublecane

No, my family.

Blogger Ant_B February 16, 2019 4:17 PM  

The p**** can't even get the name of the book right the slimy c***! :)

Blogger Markku February 16, 2019 4:22 PM  

Maybe he has just read Dianetics cover to cover so many times (for practice) that he made an understandable mistake.

Blogger VD February 16, 2019 4:26 PM  

Contrary to the Jordanetics version, where he fails to deal with the situation, on reading the original I find he describes failing to measure up several times and then solving the problem by dealing with it properly.

You completely missed the point. Read it again.

With the people I talk to, this kind of arguing is grounds for dismissing the entire thing, and that I found it in one out of one checks I made is concerning to me.

Oh, no! Concern troll is concerned? Feel free to follow Jordan Peterson to Hell if that is what you prefer.

Blogger Matthew February 16, 2019 4:34 PM  

I have a feeling that the most devout Peterson followers who watch every video, interview, "lecture", did not in any meaningful way change their lives. From starting to appear as public figure and rising in popularity to today, Peterson'a fans had two years of his brainwashing but I suspect most of them did not changed their life for the better as JBP is boasting in every TV interview. Strange he always have "softball" interviews and questions even if it looks he's being asked hard questions. I suspect he agree to an interview only if he get the questions ahead.

I don't follow JBP but when I listened him a couple of times he never answer the original question asked. Or answer didn’t have anything to do with the question. I don't understand what people see in him. I thought he would get a good year and slowly disappear from public. He didn't contribute any meaningful "solutions" which can be implemented or practical ideas. He's all over the place philosophally.

His sleight of hand include moving the goalpost, "what do you men by X", "Answer is so complex I have to think about it", and many more but always from the same repetoar.

I suspect/am alleging he’s dealing with nightmarish thoughts for decades so he’s on some anti-psychotic pills. I do not have any proof but he seems to me he doesn’t have healthy and normal sexual life like most of us. When I think about it I feel something dark is going on.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 16, 2019 4:37 PM  

Peterson got the name of the book wrong because that is the rhetorical jab that connects. He knows he is trying to pull an L. Ron Hubbard, quite deliberately, and is upset that someone noticed and called him out on it.

Blogger Door in the Hill February 16, 2019 5:10 PM  

@ 94 VD
"Oh, no! Concern troll is concerned? Feel free to follow Jordan Peterson to Hell if that is what you prefer."

I read the book when it came out, and was lukewarm on it from the start. My only interest in him is that my family likes him, and is much better at arguing, especially verbally. Also, they are wanting me to do more original research on him - AKA listen(!) to him, even in preference to reading.

I've been putting the time towards reading the New Testament instead, but since it came up again in conversation I'm having to look again.

Blogger Markku February 16, 2019 5:17 PM  

Door in the Hill wrote:I've been putting the time towards reading the New Testament instead, but since it came up again in conversation I'm having to look again.

Here's my recommendation: Get an audio Bible. When you are driving somewhere for two hours, listen to an entire gospel through in one sitting. Because audio Bibles don't mention verses, you'll find it a very different experience. The verse distinctions are incredibly distracting. Audio Bible allows you to follow the train of thought.

You'll get an entirely new perspective on the story. Trust me.

Blogger Garuna February 16, 2019 5:21 PM  

There was a new book written called Dianetics by a rather reprehensible individual named Vox Day and if you want to find out what the ethno nationalists think about me that's a pretty good read

He reveals such utter contempt for his audience here.

Jordanetics is a pretty thorough demolition of Peterson's ramblings. To this day, no Peterson fan has been able to effectively argue against it. And Peterson must know this.

So here he is trying to make it go away by implicitly dismiss it as reprehensible/ethnonat/rayciss. And then immediately after, he tells his audience to read it, obviously expecting them not to.

I think Vox best summed this guy up when he called him predator. Strong parallels to JF serial-dating retarded women.

Blogger Daniel February 16, 2019 5:25 PM  

"Ethnostate Dianetics" are two words that qualify as imprecise. How carefully did he choose them?

Blogger David February 16, 2019 5:33 PM  

As DTT Shapiro is pretty much a neocon.
As far as I have seen Vox's main objection with Prager is he is a civil nationalist. I do think from what I have heard of him via radio, he does more good than harm

Blogger blue collar dave February 16, 2019 5:48 PM  

o/t somewhat:
Jo KFebruary 16, 2019 2:32 PM
While Jordan Peterson ... etc

I don't think JP makes inadvertent slips.
I've read too many "That's something I've never considered before...let me see...hmm...let me see if I can discuss this..."
type comments from him to think he says anything off the cuff or unplanned.
Having read "Jordanetics" I don't give him the benefit of the doubt, no way, no how.

JP isn't some idealistic twenty something mistakenly viewing the world through rose colored glasses. He's a card carrying socialist being groomed by the globalist establishment as controlled opposition to prevent right wing growth among a generation of fatherless, rudderless young men, and to guide them to an atomized, deracinated, materialistic, atheistic worldview.

Wasps didn't refer to themselves as wasps but as Americans. The wasp term comes from urban ethnic groups using it as a term of disparagement for the American nation of yore. Nowadays they say whitebread, with broadly the same meaning. Your younger groups would recognize that term for sure, though it now includes white ethnics as well as wasps.

our offspring:
While the state of younger generations has multiple causes (Thanks boomers!), an ethnic group with outsized influence in the US can be provably held responsible for growth of the issues of debt, pills, porn, and in large part divorce.

OUR kids will be fine, but kid's in society at large are hurting for sure.

Hope you feel better soon Jo.

Blogger Door in the Hill February 16, 2019 5:49 PM  

@98 Markku

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll get one, though I will have to settle for getting through a gospel in one day.

Blogger Markku February 16, 2019 5:58 PM  

Door in the Hill wrote:@98 Markku

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll get one, though I will have to settle for getting through a gospel in one day.

If you have an Android device, an alternative is to get the YouVersion app. In the options, you can make verse distinctions very subtle. Or, buy this:

You'll be amazed at how much psychological difference it makes when you don't see the verse distinctions. Remember, neither verses nor chapters existed in the original.

Blogger Unknown February 16, 2019 6:04 PM  

"Good read" - Jordan Peterson

God is using him to blurb his followers out of hell.

Blogger tublecane February 16, 2019 6:43 PM  

@102- WASP can be used to signify Heritage America, and therefore just any white person of English extraction who practices Protestantism and can trace his lineage back to the colonial era.

However, it usually means a member of the ruling class, or Establishment. The sort of people found in the Social Register. Who up until the latter part of the 19th century dominated politics, business, and higher culture--discounting the occasional Jacksonian interruption--in the U.S. "Whitebread" has a different connotation.

Blogger tublecane February 16, 2019 6:44 PM  

@106- Sorry, I meant 20th century, not 19th.

Blogger Watcher of the skies February 16, 2019 7:54 PM  

take a look at the cultist's Tshirt....

Blogger Dave February 16, 2019 8:54 PM  

Vox, I'm watching the recorded Darkstream now. It starts mid-story where it appears the beginning of the stream is missing. Perhaps a Youtube issue that will correct itself when the recorded chat is added.

Chiefly I wanted to mention the notifications you're receiving during the stream are causing the audio to cut out briefly. Usually only happens a couple times a stream, but tonight it's already happened 4-5 times in the first 20 minutes. Here's one example queued at 18:21

Blogger Guy Incognito February 16, 2019 9:12 PM  

VD doesn't care for Shapiro because they both used to be columnist for the same publication. At that time, VD was much more popular, but Shapiro was a "Wonder Kid" who always regurgitated establishment points of view. At some point he confessed to VD that he had no original thoughts of his own, and asked his advice. Shapiro has also taken some hypocritical stances, including pushing for greater US intervention in foreign wars, despite refusing to enlist or accept a commission in the armed forces himself.

Eventually Shapiro was promoted and pushed as part of a "bundle deal" for publication and was astroturfed to the top of the heap where he continued to sell establishment talking points while selling sheets and gold.

Prager is a bit harder. Essentially, I think VD thinks that he's unsubstantial, and relies too heavily on pushing civic nationalism as opposed to recognizing that divided interests are the problem, and civic nationalism can't endure compared to true nationalism.

I'm not sold on the idea completely. I come from generations of immigrants, and my wife is an immigrant.
I've grown up on civic nationalism. I joined the Marines and fought in one of our foreign wars (Iraq) based on my belief that it was an obligation.

For all that, I don't think VD misrepresents or demagogs any of his positions.

There's only three real criticisms that I can level against him:
1. He's so dispassionate in his arguments that he's better read than listened too.
2. He sometimes initially relies on sources such as Wikipedia in his arguments.
3. (This is entirely personal quirk) I don't like the constant jokes about being a "Dark lord". I get it, especially in context, but for branding purposes and consistency, it's at odds with "let your yea be yea".

I'm not even a "midwit" and I can follow the gist of what he's saying most of the time because he is very good at breaking things down to their essence.

Even though I don't always agree with VD, He's painfully scrupulous, substantive, and generally insightful.

Blogger Dave February 16, 2019 9:40 PM  

Ok the latest upload of tonight's Darkstream contains the full episode. The notifications issue I mentioned @109 is now here at 21:33

This may have been addressed when you turned off Skype. There was only one additional notification after that and if the audio did cut out it was almost imperceptible.

Thank you, Vox for keeping the faith.

Blogger phunktor February 16, 2019 10:00 PM  

Wouldn’t it be fun if both Vox AND Scientogy were to sue jordie for the misattribution?

Blogger blue collar dave February 17, 2019 12:35 AM  

tublecaneFebruary 16, 2019 6:43 PM
@102- WASP can be...

Thanks, man.
I'm an x'er but wasn't aware of the more "patrician" emphasis of the term.
I'd only heard it used in the general way.

Blogger Door in the Hill February 17, 2019 6:04 AM  

@104 Markku

Thanks. While I have an android device, that player seems not to be able play the audio offline. For now I've found a nice sounding KJV with only a brief chapter mention to start with.

The printed book looks nice too, and I'll keep it in mind.

Blogger VD February 17, 2019 3:22 PM  

You're banned, Good Will. Don't try to comment here again.

Blogger Markku February 17, 2019 4:16 PM  

Door in the Hill wrote:@104For now I've found a nice sounding KJV with only a brief chapter mention to start with.

Scourby? That's what I use.

Blogger Door in the Hill February 17, 2019 5:48 PM  

@116 Markku

Initial look at his site is interesting. The one I found is available free at

Got to about Chapter 20 of Matthew today, and enjoying the listen. KJV is definitely better listened to than read.

Blogger CYGNUS FACETIOUS February 19, 2019 5:11 AM  

>reprehensible Vox
>he actually said it

Hilariously delightful, a flak-bukkake, if you will.

Blogger Markku February 19, 2019 9:05 AM  

I bought this and copied the mp3 files to my mobile device.

Blogger Door in the Hill February 20, 2019 4:52 AM  

Thanks for the pointer, Markku. Nice that there is a proper disc to maintain as a backup, too. I tend to be reluctant to purchase digital-only items, and like to have the CD as a backup.

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