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Wednesday, February 13, 2019

The pill and cognitive impairment

For me, the most remarkable thing is discovering that for fifty years, no one ever bothered to test for negative cognitive effects on women taking the contraceptive pill:
More than 100 million women around the world use oral contraceptives. Over the years, research has been able to explore and identify much of their physical effects, but what about their psychological effects?

Dr. Alexander Lischke of the University of Greifswald, Germany, notes how "remarkably little" is known about the effects of birth control pills on emotion, cognition, and behavior.

As part of a new study, published in Frontiers in Neuroscience, Lischke and his research team recruited 95 healthy women — 42 of whom were on the pill and 53 who were not — for an emotion recognition task. The aim was to find out if using the pill could have any sort of impairment on their ability to recognize emotions.

"We assumed that these impairments would be very subtle, indicating that we had to test women's emotion recognition with a task that was sensitive enough to detect such impairments," he explained. "We, thus, used a very challenging emotion recognition task that required the recognition of complex emotional expressions from the eye region of faces."

Both groups of women had no problem in recognizing basic expressions like those of happiness or fear. But when it came to more complex emotional expressions like pride or contempt, women on the pill were 10 percent less accurate compared to their counterparts.
Keep this sort of thing in mind when you assume that just because a drug or a medical regimen is in wide use, its range of adverse effects have been scientifically studied.

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97 Comments:

Blogger FisherOfMen February 13, 2019 5:47 AM  

Another real eye-opener is when you look into how much AB testing and double blind studies have been done on vaccines.

Are the medical gatekeepers overconfident, or outright malicious?

Blogger Living in a Fallen World February 13, 2019 6:08 AM  

The US government injected people with plutonium once upon a time. People don't care. I mean, some people do, obviously, but most people, if it's not happening in their kitchen then they just don't care.

Blogger Unknown February 13, 2019 6:20 AM  

10% effect on one of multiple measures with a universe of 95 humans?

The experiment doesn't have much power. Let's just see if it replicates before going off the deep end.

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2019 6:36 AM  

There’s a common bureaucratic double standard;
-if you have money other people have to prove your product is dangerous
-if you don’t have money you have to prove your product is safe

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2019 6:40 AM  

The question of cause and effect is interesting; do cognitively impaired women choose the pill, does the pill cause cognitive impairment, or perhaps both? A downward spiral?

But to ignore the correlation is foolish

Blogger Cinco February 13, 2019 6:46 AM  

Anyone willing to bet that 10% of women and men cannot define pride or contempt these days?

Blogger Warunicorn February 13, 2019 6:58 AM  

It's kind of like Prilosec; they prescribe the drug like it's nobody's business and don't tell anyone the obvious dangers like lack of nutrient absorption (because less acid is produced to process the food).

Isn't there a higher risk of cancer with the pill too? Playing hormone god is never good.

Blogger JACIII February 13, 2019 7:08 AM  

If the drug of the day promotes the narrative the elite will see to it that it will be approved and prescribed to women and children. It's how we treat OUR beasts of burden and that is how they think of us.

Blogger maniacprovost February 13, 2019 7:32 AM  

no one ever bothered to test for negative cognitive effects on women taking the contraceptive pill

Do they consider endumbening young females a negative?

Blogger Tank February 13, 2019 7:33 AM  

On the other hand, this is exactly the kind of social psychology study that is routinely decried here as bulls***. So, I wouldn't give it any credence.

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2019 7:44 AM  

No. What is described as bullshit is research measuring very minimal effects that can’t be replicated and/or contains blatant misuse of statistics.

It’s not known if this particular example fits that pattern. But the argument cuts both ways; if we’re supposed to fucking love science then we better love this, right?

Blogger VD February 13, 2019 7:48 AM  

So, I wouldn't give it any credence.

You're missing the point. This is apparently the sum total of the research into the possibility of cognitive consequences of a very widely utilized chemical intervention.

Blogger Cinco February 13, 2019 7:53 AM  

On second thought, 100% of the women I have dated/married have all taken BC pills and at one point or another they have all been crazy too. A couple of them were definitely lighter than ducks.

Blogger rumpole5 February 13, 2019 7:59 AM  

Every substance that we ingest probably has some peculiar effect. Add to that the fact that it is very unlikely that every person metabolizes a sustance at the same rate. If one reingests a substance before it is metabolized completely, there will be a build up of the left over bits over time. Finally, something like birth control pills causes a change in BEHAVIOR. I would expect a woman who has allowed herself to become the town pump, because she does not have to worry about pregnancy, to have a very different psychological makeup than that of a woman who has had a long term relationship with on man. It does not surprise me at all that the "town pump" type would block the looks of contempt she must stimulate on a very regular basis.

Blogger Careless Whisper February 13, 2019 8:01 AM  

A pharmacy worker I know has told me for years that there is an observable change in the way girls speak and carry themselves before/after going on the pill. The voices deepen, the gait becomes more mannish... All consistent with hormone mismanagement. Probably not news, but it should be acknowledged as some kind of negative.

Blogger peacefulposter February 13, 2019 8:02 AM  

Messing with a woman's natural hormones. What could go wrong?

Blogger Silent Draco February 13, 2019 8:05 AM  

I skimmed through the article, now need to read deeper. One observation popped out of the analysis:


Short version - women have trouble sorting out expresdions of negative emotions.

"Again, these differences in emotion recognition occurred irrespective of the expressions’ valence because all participants were less accurate in the recognition of negative than positive or neutral expressions as indicated by post hoc tests [negative vs. positive: p = 0.001, negative vs. neutral: p = 0.003, positive vs. neutral: p = 0.111]."

Verdamn! This is more startling and relevant than the observed difference, because this was a test population condition.

"Strudel!"

Blogger Silent Draco February 13, 2019 8:09 AM  

They also buried a finding of the total population's cognitive problem. Chemicals may worsen it.

Blogger Lazarus February 13, 2019 8:10 AM  

Cyclic variations of estrogen and progesterone levels are known to affect women's emotion recognition, and influence activity and connections in associated brain regions," Lischke said.

I hadn't noticed.

Blogger Careless Whisper February 13, 2019 8:12 AM  

To eliminate the psych variables stemming from promiscuity, they could repeat the experiment on women whose sexual activity was liable to be static or those who are inactive.
They do prescribe the pill liberally to menopausal women for hot flashes. Let's not look too deeply into their emotions, though... Teens with acne get it, too. If you could isolate some celibate, and, for certainty's sake, unnattractive young ladies to submit to the experiment, we'd get a great answer.

Unfortunately the girls who sat at my high school lunch table are too old now, otherwise I'd have had just the group.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 13, 2019 8:12 AM  

It takes real abstract thinking to realize how many Pyramids Of Error surround us (they might as well blot out the sun, so vast and frequent they are now.)
HIV causes AIDS. A few examples:
Pharmaceuticals are good, safe and tested (properly.)
Equalist dogma in its entirety.
The "government" system we learned about as kids has anything at all to do with how the "government" actually works.
Vaccines are a significant reason we're now "healthier."

What drugs get the most ad $'s these days? "Biologics" for autoimmune diseases. Why? Because drugs like Humera cannot be produced generically, and are used to treat lifelong illness. They are the ultimate cash cow (patients), and the biologic drug is the milking machine.

So much of what we think we know just ain't so.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 13, 2019 8:18 AM  

The lead paint of our day.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 13, 2019 8:23 AM  

The greatest Pyramid Of Error of all?

That we, who live in the Information Age with the entire digital world literally at our fingertips, are the best-informed people who ever lived.

There's a reason no one has ever looked too closely at the cognitive and behavioral side effects of OC's. No questions are ever more ignored than those whose answers might burst popular bubble-beliefs.

Can we imagine what would happen if someone proposed to study the relationship between maternal IQ, paternal IQ and their kids' IQs when the parents are W/W, W/B, and B/W, respectively? Talk about an answer people would murder to avoid facing...even as we discover that the heritability of intelligence (which is seriously polygenic) has a "reversion-to-the-(more recent)-mean" character.

Suddenly all today's 24/7 propaganda in the form of nearly 50% mixed-race couples in television ads would be seen in a WHOLE new light.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira February 13, 2019 8:26 AM  

On Toe Rogan's thumbcast he said that a little bit of weeeeeeed will fix those side effects.

Blogger Avalanche February 13, 2019 8:28 AM  

@12 "sum total of the research into the possibility of cognitive consequences of a very widely utilized chemical intervention."

Y'all may have heard of the "post-surgery headache"? SOME people, but not all people, who have undergone general anesthesia for surgery (or some type of care that required it) end up with a killer headache. Doctors guessed it was a reaction to the anesthesia (for many many decades). General painkillers or passage-of-time allowed the headache to go away.

Some smart@ss decided to determine WHY some people had that reaction to anesthesia.

Turned out the folks who GET a -- post-surgery, possible/correlational anesthesia-related -- headache are the coffee addicts. Give coffee after surgery (later in the day, once other signs of recovery are assured) and no headaches.

Some medical wag once pointed out: All drugs HAVE are side effects; SOME of them are useful side effects and so we prescribe the drug!

Blogger Johnny February 13, 2019 8:39 AM  

>>Can we imagine what would happen if someone proposed to study the relationship between maternal IQ, paternal IQ and their kids' IQs when the parents are W/W, W/B, and B/W, respectively?

The problem with that is that it would go to the B/B outcome.

Blogger rumpole5 February 13, 2019 8:43 AM  

Re: dc.sunsets

We don't have to do any studies other than to determine what the most common "prejudices" are on almost any subject. Human beings have excellent pattern recognition systems and the most common group prejudice is therefore are probably correct.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 13, 2019 8:46 AM  

The experiment doesn't have much power.

Of course not. A single experiment rarely does, let alone the first one. That's why scientists are supposed to do lots of experiments that attempt to isolate different factors.

In this case, they hadn't done any. People were so excited to get the new age of girl-power and risk-free sex started that no one even thought to ask.

Blogger Mr. Deficient February 13, 2019 8:50 AM  

Shout out to the article that let me discover the glory of Milo.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/08/birth-control-makes-women-unattractive-and-crazy/

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 8:54 AM  

Assume the study is 100% correct in its findings: women on the pill are less observant of emotions and perhaps dumber. That means that these women who already plan to be sexually active will be less discerning and easier to fool. More free love! Yay!

JACIII wrote:If the drug of the day promotes the narrative ...

If it made sluts harder to bed, the pill would have been studied out of existance.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 13, 2019 9:00 AM  

This kind of thing is why, although I’m not an anti-vaxxer myself, I don’t think they’re crazy. Yes, I understand the theory of vaccines, but what the manufacturers are actually putting in any one vaccine? I don’t know. There are so many things they could do, and the idea that they have our best interests at heart is just laughable.

Yet another reason why skepticism is so valuable.

Blogger tz February 13, 2019 9:06 AM  

It has been studied. From Janet Smith's Contraception why not?, they've known, beyond the things like blood clots:

Irratibility
Disinterest in Sex
Weight Gain
(increased propensity to) Depression.

They way it works is to tell the woman's body that she is already pregnant so it won't produce eggs. It doesn't always work.

Beyond that with all those female hormones being flushed into the sewers, near the outlets of many water treatment plants, the male fish are going transgender. Environmental disaster? Well, they must have their pill.

Blogger tz February 13, 2019 9:09 AM  

@31 with the zero liability and the vaccine kangaroo court they don't have to - so the more they can mandate vaccines the more profit.

Smallpox was eradicated with a bifurcated needle. Why does measles have to be combined with other crap like fetal tissue, squalene, polysorbate 80, mercury, aluminum, and injected directly into newborns? Molyneux objects to circumcision, but has said nothing about turning them into a poison pincushion.

Blogger Johnny February 13, 2019 9:13 AM  

>>If it made sluts harder to bed, the pill would have been studied out of existence.

We know what we want to know.

The problem with studies like this is that they can not randomly select the participants. In this case they have pre selected themselves by deciding to be on the pill. Thus always the outcome is maybe true but suspect.


>>[we] are the best-informed people who ever lived.

We have the biggest accumulated body of knowledge. But best informed, not so much. The problem is we end up knowing what we want to know. And the commitment to some degree of honesty appears to be down.

Blogger David February 13, 2019 9:15 AM  

It seems like every other woman has PCOS these days. I don't remember it being this way years ago. I wonder if we've not yet begun to see the side effects of messing with our hormones in foundational developmental years.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey February 13, 2019 9:25 AM  

No, the pill does not prevent women's bodies from producing eggs. The only stage in a woman's life where her body produces eggs a pre-natal stage of development. When a girl is born she already has all the eggs she's ever going to have -- and she immediately begins to lose them. That's why by the time she hits 40 or so she's infertile; she's out of viable eggs. What the pill does is trick her body so that she won't ovulate.

FWIW, the pill most probably does increase the risk of breast cancer significantly. That is highly inconvenient to say the least for the abortionists and who else but the feminists (ironically the greatest enemies of women!). So advocacy research to counter the breast cancer risks has been produced and this risk is downplayed and rarely told to young women. But it is real. The massive rise of incidents of breast cancer in the modern era are strongly correlated to widespread use of the pill, and many studies have found a direct linkage to pill use and development of breast cancer.

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 9:26 AM  

Milo is right. It makes women crazy and attracted to soy.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 13, 2019 9:26 AM  

Trust us, goyim. Pills are good. And without us Chosen by God playing a leading role in female and sodomite empowerment, goyim nations will not survive. You don't want to be a hater, do you?

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/09/birth-control-brain_n_7032578.html
In a study conducted on 90 women, neuroscientists at UCLA found that two key brain regions, the lateral orbitofrontal cortex and the posterior cigulate cortex, were thinner in women who used oral contraception than in women who did not.

The lateral orbitofrontal cortex plays an important role in emotion regulation and responding to rewards, while the posterior cigulate cortex is involved with inward-directed thought, and shows increased activity when we recall personal memories and plan for the future.

Changes in the lateral orbitofrontal cortex could be responsible for the increased anxiety and depressive symptoms that some women experience when they start taking the Pill.

“Some women experience negative emotional side effects from taking oral contraceptive pills, although the scientific findings investigating that have been mixed,” Nicole Petersen, a neuroscientist at UCLA and the study’s lead author, told The Huffington Post. “So it’s possible that this change in the lateral orbitofrontal cortex may be related to the emotional changes that some women experience when using birth control pills.”

Scientists have not yet determined if these neurological changes are permanent, or if they only last while a woman is on the Pill.

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140701091448.htm
A combination of AMH and AFC is today considered the best test of ovarian reserve and future reproductive lifespan -- and thus an indicator of the biological clock's current status. As both parameters have been shown to change with age, AMH and AFC have been recognised as markers of ovarian ageing.

Now, the Danish study has found that measurements of AMH and AFC were 19% and 16% respectively lower in Pill users than in those not taking the Pill. In addition, ovarian volume was also significantly smaller -- by between 29 and 52%, with the greatest reductions seen in the group aged 19-29.9 years.

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 9:28 AM  

Did any go off it while you were dating them? Not that women aren't crazy during ovulation, just wondering if you have data personally on women going off BC.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 13, 2019 9:28 AM  

The water is turning the humans sodo and retarded!
Surely it's not the jews poisoning our wells, like the millennia old anti-jewitic trope. They would never do that. They are after all our greatest allies who are merely innocent victims than need more of your gold and blood.

https://www.livescience.com/20532-birth-control-water-pollution.html
After the active ingredient in most birth control pills has done its duty preventing pregnancy, it begins a second life as a pollutant that can harm wildlife in waterways.
Not only is ethinyl estradiol quite potent — creating “intersex” fish and amphibians — but it is very difficult to remove from wastewater, which carries it into natural waterways.
Since women around the planet take the pill, this is a global problem. The European Union is the first entity to seriously consider mandating the removal of ethinyl estradiol, also known as EE2, from wastewater. However, as researchers pointed out in Thursday’s (May 24) issue of the journal Nature, the question of whether to remove the pollutant is not simple.
Charcoal-based filtering is the most effective method for removing chemicals such as EE2 from wastewater. Other methods may also be effective, but they, too, would require some financial investment, Jobling told LiveScience.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 13, 2019 9:29 AM  

@tz So what I hear you saying is that chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay.

Blogger David Ray Milton February 13, 2019 9:33 AM  

This is another indication of what bro-science has been saying for a while, “The pill makes girls crazy.”

So much of the recent “discoveries” in the medical community about the harm of this or that just boils down to ignoring common sense.

“Gee, just take this pill that will magically circumvent one of your body’s natural and strongest processes... should be fine. Don’t worry, we’re doctors.”

Blogger dc.sunsets February 13, 2019 9:45 AM  

@27 Belief comes first. Humans DO NOT employ their deliberative mind to examine the quick-and-dirty decisions yielded by their impulsive mind in part because biases and premises determine the latter and render impulsive thoughts automatically "correct." We cannot think past our own mental walls.

@31 The theory of vaccines is deficient on its face. We have a two-system immune capability: Humoral immunity involves the production of antibodies and is the target of vaccines. Cell-mediated immunity involves sensitization of macrophages and is UNAFFECTED by vaccines. This is why getting the chicken pox provides lifelong immunity while the varicella vaccine DOES NOT.

@34 Most of the information on the Web is Bullshit.

Blogger Crew February 13, 2019 9:45 AM  

Perhaps she was on the pill!

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/02/12/first-female-viper-demo-team-pilot-relieved-after-two-weeks/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2019 9:45 AM  

I'd actually read before that the pill inverts women's hormonal systems in certain ways.

Result, they marry a dude while on the pill and then when they come off they often don't like him as much.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 13, 2019 9:53 AM  

You stupid terrible goyim are not making enough babies, which is necessary to protect climate change and to enjoy your liberating sluttiness and become a tax slave career bitch.
However, because you are foolish enough to care and try to be Good, we now have to flood your livingspace with hostile alien turd worlders who will debase your society and democratically tyrannize you.
It's your fault for making us have to trick you into your own death. Any resistance is prejudiced bigotry that is a threat to OUR democracy.

Blogger Kat February 13, 2019 10:04 AM  

I mean, we know the pill impacts psychology. That’s why many women take it and why we frequently have to try out different brands to find one that makes us more stable rather than less. I can’t believe this hasn’t been studied in all this time. Medicine is such a fraud.

Blogger Gregory the Tall February 13, 2019 10:08 AM  

Could they plz test for pitch of voice and IQ as well?

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 10:15 AM  

>Result, they marry a dude while on the pill and then when they come off they often don't like him as much.

Exactly

Blogger Nobody of Consequence February 13, 2019 10:30 AM  

Their research is invalid. It's BS. Is the pill trouble? Yes, screwing with hormones is dangerous. Did these jerks actually perform valid research? No. They compared apples and oranges. Every human is unique.

Is there a lack of research on humans? Damn betcha. How would we get good human data without real testing? Seen that before.

In order to perform the study they attempted, the researchers needed to take a group of women NOT on the pill, perform the study, then put the same women on the pill for a lengthy time and reevaluate. Just about all medical, sociological, and other soft science research is flawed in this manner. Are you just like all other humans, even some other humans? Are you able to eat anything you want with no ill effects but someone else in your immediate family has trouble with say oats or gluten, or nuts?

Their results are just as likely artifacts of the individuals that were chosen than the results actually represent some effect of the pill on cognition. It is possible that persons with weak cognitive skills are more likely to choose the pill.

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 10:37 AM  

Nobody of Consequence, that's not how control groups work. I understand what you're saying but they recruited properly. The experimental group was on OC, and the control group not. This is pretty normal protocol.

Blogger dienw February 13, 2019 10:40 AM  

Could birth control drugs be the cause of the masculine chin on women: both of my nieces had feminine chins until their mid college years.

Blogger Miss Carnivorous February 13, 2019 10:52 AM  

Female elite athletes do not take birth control pills because it interferes with their performance. It makes them weaker and less competitive. The fact is, they turn you into a whining, blubbery, chubby ball of hysterical, overly emotional, mush. Anytime I got on the pill, I would totally lose desire for sex or even male companionship and I would dump my boyfriend. I would go off the pill and the desire for sex would return, I would take the pill and dump the next guy, and so it went. Women are actually most pleasant, sexually receptive and physically attractive during ovulation. Since the pill stops ovulation, it really interferes with the natural ebb and flow of sexual desire in a relationship. Most guys are happy and flattered when their wife is feeling especially frisky and initiates sex periodically, this usually happens during ovulation. Birth control pills have been ruinous for Western marriages.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 13, 2019 11:05 AM  

Rigorous study and knowledge of the effects might endanger the end goal of spreading the drug's use.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile February 13, 2019 11:08 AM  

"When told the results of the study, 80% of women didn't care, just as long as somebody else paid for their contraception 'needs'."

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2019 11:21 AM  

I am pretty certain I have known more than 95 healthy women over the years, so I could have performed the study myself.

But more to the point, why would anyone suspect that healthy women, with the usual hormones, would be somehow psychologically impacted by taking additional hormones to trick their body into thinking they are already pregnant?

The universal observation of men is that women go crazy during an actual pregnancy, so why would that same erratic behavior and wide emotional swings be present when they only feel like they are pregnant? Impaired judgement? Check. Suicidal thoughts? Check. Homicidal thoughts? Check. Dietary cravings and binges? Check. Occasional rage and violence? Check. Distracted and confused? Check.

My study is almost complete.
Wait until I get to postpartum depression, separation anxiety, aggression, cruelty, and withdrawal.

Blogger DJT February 13, 2019 11:33 AM  

Reminder that Christians were united in opposing birth control and contraception until the 20th century. Christians who support it and use it are opposed to the will of God.

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 13, 2019 11:45 AM  

I remember seeing the effects of the pill when I was a teenager. When I first started dating this girl she was sweet, thin and good looking with good skin. She went on the pill and she gained weight, broke out and turned into a bitch.

They had this system where a girl could hide it from their parents. They would even call like they were one of their girlfriends if they had to call the girl's house for something. They would also give the girl a giant bag of condoms to use before the pill kicked in. Probably a hint to be a ho.

Most of the time, you wouldn't even be aware of those changes because she was already on the pill before you met her.

I wonder if that has anything to do with why girls go off to college and come back with blue hair, fat and completely crazy.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 11:52 AM  

sammibandit wrote:The experimental group was on OC, and the control group not. This is pretty normal protocol.

The two groups were self selected, right? That is, the experimental group had already chosen to be on OC, and the control group had already chosen not to?

If you aren't randomly assigning subjects to the two groups, you don't know if OC causes crazy, or crazy causes OC.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 13, 2019 12:01 PM  

@ DJT, Yep, either the entire Christian Church up until the early 20th century was putting words in God’s mouth (a.k.a. “Taking the Lord’s name in vain”) or else they were all right and over the past century, a lot of Christians have gone wrong on this issue. Now, taking a look at history, both before and after this change, which proposition seems more likely?

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 12:22 PM  

>The two groups were self selected, right? That is, the experimental group had already chosen to be on OC, and the control group had already chosen not to?

If you aren't randomly assigning subjects to the two groups, you don't know if OC causes crazy, or crazy causes OC.

Correct. They only controlled in both for mental illness and other birth controls. Here is the snag. There's really no way to test this without violating the Nuremberg Code Article 1 on prior informed consent, which would never pass institutional review.

DonReynolds above has the best write up, I figure. We don't need to do a single blind or double blind experiment to know that women are crazy when pregnant or when their body thinks it's pregnant.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile February 13, 2019 12:23 PM  

but what the manufacturers are actually putting in any one vaccine?

Kinda funny how many of the most virulent anti-anti-vaxxers are also those loudly squeal "Corporashuns is eee-vil!!!! (Except when I trust them totally so I can score some Social Virtue Points™ to impress my friends)"

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 12:23 PM  

Wait a minute. I'll leave the error above for the commentariate but couldn't the test be done with sugar pills in the control group to get around the institutional review board?

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 12:25 PM  

Also, how would you deceive participants into reporting mental affect without tipping them off that you're testing for that? Have them do some computer tests hooked up to various machines that register heart rate, breath rate, or even facial expression in response to various stimuli?

Blogger God Emperor Memes February 13, 2019 12:52 PM  

As a first-hand observer, I can say my wife's behaviour changed when she stopped taking BC. - She became less moody and the sex was even better.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 13, 2019 1:02 PM  

@63 You're kidding, right? My sarcasm meter is lousy. I guess your notion would work until the girls in the placebo group got unintentionally pregnant (cue hard laughter.)

PS: one of the funniest things about pharma is how a placebo (inert pill) by definition has no side-effects, so study participants can generally discern if they're in the treatment group simply by the PRESENCE of side-effects. This largely explains how SSRI clinical trials are a scam; treatment group participants had a high likelihood of knowing they were getting "the real drug" and thus were far more likely to report intended effects (ditto the reporting clinicians), meaning that there's no actual way to know if the drugs worked at all (except of course as primers for mass shootings and suicides.)

Crazy people are crazy.

Contraception is simply another of today's Age of Extended Adolescence. Girls reach full bloom and both boys and girls want to play in that garden for an extended period (chuckle) rather than quickly graduate to FULL ADULTHOOD which comes with the responsibility of raising CHILDREN, the usual side-effect of sexual intercourse. Contraception offers the (largely false) promise of sex-without-consequences.

Everything we do becomes a part of us.

Blogger Crew February 13, 2019 1:05 PM  

Is this another example of stupid evil stuff in the name of science?

Planned Parenthood kept aborted babies alive to harvest organs, ex-technician says

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 1:16 PM  

>@63 You're kidding, right? My sarcasm meter is lousy. I guess your notion would work until the girls in the placebo group got unintentionally pregnant (cue hard laughter.)

No? I'm not kidding but you have a good point about an obvious design flaw in a single blind experiment.

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 1:18 PM  

Good point about moratorium on adulthood though. Really well put. Especially in concert with the other comment about OC centers for teens having ways to encourage sex in teens-at-risk.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2019 1:18 PM  

Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club wrote:Kinda funny how many of the most virulent anti-anti-vaxxers are also those loudly squeal "Corporashuns is eee-vil!!!!

Most of the people who have strong pro-vax opinions are not qualified to have opinions on anything.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 13, 2019 1:29 PM  

@66 dc,
The gist of your message is true. Spirit-Psych-Phys are all linked. Matter is ordered by energy forces.
But look at this


https://infogalactic.com/info/Nocebo
In medicine, a nocebo (Latin for "I shall harm") is an inert substance or form of therapy that creates harmful effects in a patient. The nocebo effect is the adverse reaction experienced by a patient who receives such a therapy. Conversely, a placebo is an inert substance or form of therapy that creates a beneficial response in a patient. The phenomenon by which a placebo creates a beneficial response is called the placebo effect. In contrast to the placebo effect, the nocebo effect is relatively obscure.[1][2]

Both nocebo and placebo effects are presumably psychogenic. Rather than being caused by a biologically active component of the placebo, these reactions might result from a patient's expectations and perceptions of how the substance will affect them. Though they presumably originate from psychological sources, nocebo effects can be either psychological or physiological. Statistical effects like that of the law of large numbers have also been proposed as explanation for both placebo or nocebo.[


In the narrowest sense, a nocebo response occurs when a drug-trial subject's symptoms are worsened by the administration of an inert, sham,[5] or dummy (simulator) treatment, called a placebo.

According to current pharmacological knowledge and the current understanding of cause and effect, a placebo contains no chemical (or any other agent) that could possibly cause any of the observed worsening in the subject's symptoms. Thus, any change for the worse must be due to some subjective factor.

Adverse expectations can also cause analgesic effects of anesthetic medications to be abolished.[6]

The worsening of the subject's symptoms or reduction of beneficial effects is a direct consequence of their exposure to the placebo, but those symptoms have not been chemically generated by the placebo. Because this generation of symptoms entails a complex of "subject-internal" activities, in the strictest sense, we can never speak in terms of simulator-centered "nocebo effects," but only in terms of subject-centered "nocebo responses."

Although some observers attribute nocebo responses (or placebo responses) to a subject's gullibility, there is no evidence that an individual who manifests a nocebo/placebo response to one treatment will manifest a nocebo/placebo response to any other treatment; i.e., there is no fixed nocebo/placebo-responding trait or propensity.

McGlashan, Evans & Orne (1969, p. 319) found no evidence of what they termed a "placebo personality." Also, in a carefully designed study, Lasagna, Mosteller, von Felsinger and Beecher (1954), found that there was no way that any observer could determine, by testing or by interview, which subject would manifest a placebo reaction and which would not.

Experiments have shown that no relationship exists between an individual's measured hypnotic susceptibility and their manifestation of nocebo or placebo responses.[7]

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 13, 2019 1:38 PM  

The pill plus no-fault divorce.
I get in trouble for giving the left too much credit when I say they tabletop and wargame EVERYTHING and know exactly what the long term effects of their policies and agenda will be, right down to the next windup toy that shoots up a school.
Sadly the people scoffing at me are going to have to learn the hard way.

Blogger dc.sunsets February 13, 2019 2:03 PM  

@71 To belabor the obvious, the point of controlled experiments is to isolate treatment-related effects. This is probably rather difficult when the treatment-related effect is a perception (mood, for example, or any self-reported condition or attribute that cannot be externally/directly measured.)

In the case of an anti-infective trial, control groups are given a different, active product (as giving them an inactive pill would be akin to the Tuskegee Experiment, no?)

So much of what we think we know is baloney. Perverse incentives for the pharma industry are so thick we might as well say they are the only ones left. And Pyramids Of Error in that space create weird feedback loops where even well-meaning people contribute to toxic, damaging products (see "Obedience to Authority" for a host of ways that people who SHOULD know better submerge their reservations, even to the point where an inexperienced copilot would not object to an experienced captain flying an airliner into certain catastrophe.)

If a copilot will mutely watch the captain crash the plane, how many people working in the vaccine industry will mutely watch a system where the checks are fibs and the balances are inversions, so that (for heaven's sake!) even mercury could be added to an injectable? [If the FDA allows it, it MUST be safe, right? Ditto aluminum and chicken proteins.............]

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 13, 2019 2:05 PM  

@72 Dok,
Pill + divorce + feminism + women voting + endless barrage of propaganda (TV, movies, magazines for teens) about how being a depraved revolting slut is the key to famous happy empowerment specialness for the whole world, esp Me.

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Oh look, Chosen people staged events to promote psychoses that were then promulgated throughout their controlled media to saturate the minds of subjects with Morality.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Torches_of_Freedom
"Torches of Freedom" was a phrase used to encourage women’s smoking by exploiting women's aspirations for a better life during the women’s liberation movement in the United States. Cigarettes were described as symbols of emancipation and equality with men. The term was first used by psychoanalyst A. A. Brill when describing the natural desire for women to smoke and was used by Edward Bernays to encourage women to smoke in public despite social taboos. Bernays hired women to march while smoking their “torches of freedom” in the Easter Sunday Parade of 1929 which was a significant moment for fighting social barriers for women smokers.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Edward Louis Bernays was an Austrian-American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda, referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations".[3] Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life.[4] He was the subject of a full length biography by Larry Tye called The Father of Spin (1999) and later an award-winning 2002 documentary for the BBC by Adam Curtis called The Century of the Self. More recently, Bernays is noted as the great-uncle of Netflix co-founder, Marc Randolph.

His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom" and his work for the United Fruit Company connected with the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected Guatemalan government in 1954. He worked for dozens of major American corporations including Procter & Gamble and General Electric, and for government agencies, politicians, and non-profit organizations.

Edward Bernays was born to a Jewish family,[7] His great grandfather was Isaac Bernays, chief rabbi of Hamburg. Bernays was a "double nephew" of Viennese psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud—by virtue of his mother, Freud's sister, and of his father's sister, Martha Bernays Freud, who married Sigmund.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Brill
Austrian-born psychiatrist he met Freud, with whom he maintained a correspondence until Freud's death in 1939.[1] He returned to the United States in 1908 to become one of the earliest and most active exponents of psychoanalysis, being the first to translate into English most of the major works of Freud, as well as books by Jung.
During the 1930s he played a key role in finding employment for psychiatric professionals exiled from Nazi Europe.

Blogger Fargoth February 13, 2019 2:12 PM  

Anyone who defends western medicine is a fucking schizophrenic. Two out of three doctors belong at the end of a rope swinging from an oak tree.

Source: employed at a world top 3 hospital

Blogger justaguy February 13, 2019 2:13 PM  

Does anyone think that there could be unbiased research on the effect of the pill in today's academia? I would not be allowed.

Blogger Fargoth February 13, 2019 2:17 PM  

@76 It would be tough to get grant money for, but the real issue is just that nobody who's attracted to academia has the inclination to ask those sort of holistic questions.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby mama February 13, 2019 2:21 PM  

@73 dc,
Yes, natural order is few leaders with many subordinates on a hierarchy. We have God, boss, general, captain, president, etc. for efficient organization, whereas everyone being disobedient trying to be their own leaders will cause disintegration.

They follow their perceived herd by inherent instinct.
That's why they provide fake leaders for all the different personalities, and tell you about their majority polls.

Plus it's a horrible idea to give power to suggestible midwits and retards, but we must for the sake of Diversity! otherwise it's unequal injustice.

Blogger Kat February 13, 2019 2:22 PM  

It's not uncommon for (relatively) non slutty girls and even Christian virgins to go on the pill before they get married because everyone knows you don't pop out a baby in the first couple years of marriage. You have to get established first.

All you have to do is have a form - "I see you're coming in for BC. Have you been on hormonal BC previously? No? Would you mind coming in for a study? It takes two hours, compensation, etc."

Yes they're still self selected somewhat, but you can get a before and after.

Blogger sammibandit February 13, 2019 2:29 PM  

@DC.sunsets, I'm on mobile so I can't see what comment number I have.

>@71 To belabor the obvious, the point of controlled experiments is to isolate treatment-related effects. This is probably rather difficult when the treatment-related effect is a perception (mood, for example, or any self-reported condition or attribute that cannot be externally/directly measured.)

Glad you beat that dead horse here. I figure a lot of deception would be needed to test this properly and it may not pass IRB institutional review board.

Aside on gross abuse of human participants//

Which reminds me, I had a sociology prof who okay-ed a sex lives study my 20 year old group mates wanted to do on 13 year olds. One of my group mates had a teacher sister. I put the kibosh on it myself because it's perverted and no way were parents going to sign consent forms. My group mates called me on that, went behind my back and sent the proposal to the IRB who said not without consent... gross! I then said no normal 20 year old wants to talk to 13 year olds about sex and those who wanted to do that were current virgins who were ugly at that age. My nuclear strike worked though because it showed I wasn't kidding and wouldn't be merciful next time.

My group mates were upset and so was my prof by that nuclear strike on their sex lives. I ended up having to report the prof to the chair of sociology for haraunging me into taking a 0 after my group mates told him I didn't participate. Went to student arbitration where I made my group mates cry and won my grade. Point being that there's not a lot stopping perverts in studies of human subjects. These group mates were training to be teachers...

>In the case of an anti-infective trial, control groups are given a different, active product (as giving them an inactive pill would be akin to the Tuskegee Experiment, no?)

Yep and it continued decades after the Nuremberg Code.

Blogger Kat February 13, 2019 2:29 PM  

It's also criminal how they hand out the pill without first giving women intensive nutritional counseling. There are known herbs and supplements that help regulate cycles. I'm talking about something as simple as sufficient magnesium and Vit C intake. But nope lets just mask everything and pretend like having an entire body system out of whack isn't a red flag that this person has underlying health issues. Oh, and here's a side of cancer risk to go along with your already out of balance body.

Blogger Diogenes February 13, 2019 2:58 PM  

Well when the "inadvertent" consequence is the actual objective Kat it's not so hard to understand. Plus birth control drugs are patented and profit generating, while minerals and vitamins aren't. Gives the companies an additional profit motive to their poisonings.

Blogger tublecane February 13, 2019 3:13 PM  

@52- Skeletal structure is set during puberty, I believe. Highly unlikely anything would change around 20. You may have observed a hardening of features and/or loss of weight.

Blogger SciVo February 13, 2019 3:28 PM  

Consider the stereotypes about pregnant women, all contained within the word "broody": at turns sunny and snappish, always nest- and self-centered, and even more irrational than usual (fiercely risk-averse yet wildly optimistic). The entire function of The Pill is to trick a woman's body into thinking that it's already pregnant, so what honest doctor wouldn't have expected effects on mood and cognition?

Blogger weka February 13, 2019 4:40 PM  

Yes there is an increased risk of myocardial infarction, stroke, and some types of cancer with estrogen containing contraception. Which is why smokers and women over 35 should use other methods

Blogger weka February 13, 2019 4:42 PM  

Would love to find out what journals rejected the paper before it ended up in a low impact publication

Blogger OneWingedShark February 13, 2019 4:47 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:@tz So what I hear you saying is that chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay.
Awesome! / Thanks for the laugh.
Also, I wanted to say that I enjoy the few videos of yours I've seen.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:Result, they marry a dude while on the pill and then when they come off they often don't like him as much.
Considering how the elites seem to be hell-bent on destroying the family and all semblances thereof, this sounds like, to them, this would be "a happy accident" if not "a feature, not a bug".

Miss Carnivorous wrote:Birth control pills have been ruinous for Western marriages.
This is absolutely a feature, and not a bug.

DJT wrote:Reminder that Christians were united in opposing birth control and contraception until the 20th century. Christians who support it and use it are opposed to the will of God.
I would go so far as to say those that support it have actively bought into the cult of Feminism.

Crew wrote:Is this another example of stupid evil stuff in the name of science?

Planned Parenthood kept aborted babies alive to harvest organs, ex-technician says

Holy Crap! / Thanks for sharing that, disturbing though the notion is.

Doktor Jeep wrote:The pill plus no-fault divorce.
Add in the disposition of divorce-courts, so anti-male as to throw out prenuptial agreements when they wish, and you have a very big disincentive to invest in a family.

Blogger MichaelJMaier February 13, 2019 5:37 PM  

I have been convinced for years that when the full effects of BC pills are known, it will horrify the world.

Then again... these are women. They can be convinced to pimp out their own children to pedos if they have strong enough tingles.

Blogger Tino February 13, 2019 7:01 PM  

It's been a long time, but the Pill changes women's mate selection algorithm impacting both preferences (less alpha traits) and some insensitivity to the mating signals (there goes game and seduction and the dance between the sexes).

Something along these lines -- https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(09)00263-8

The original research was done at Boston University and Stanford if memory serves.

Blogger Miss Carnivorous February 13, 2019 11:13 PM  

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 14, 2019 12:31 AM  

"Skeletal structure is set during puberty, I believe. Highly unlikely anything would change around 20."

Women's hips actually get wider while pregnant, with each pregnancy. I don't know if it has any effect on other parts of the skeleton.

"I would go so far as to say those that support it have actively bought into the cult of Feminism."

Absolutely agreed.

"Add in the disposition of divorce-courts, so anti-male as to throw out prenuptial agreements when they wish, and you have a very big disincentive to invest in a family."

My response to that would always be A: "if she wasn't sufficiently a responsible adult to sign a prenup, how was she one to agree to the marriage", and B: "See, I had her father's consent on both."

Blogger Zwiebel February 14, 2019 9:37 AM  

Not just the fish. Water treatment plants don't filter out ANY medication, not the pill, not the anti-depressants...

I think it was the same guy as this study who showed that this stuff is in our drinking water. At least he was also called Andreas L-something. A man on a mission?

Blogger Daniel February 14, 2019 11:10 AM  

Yet they are given like candy to girls to "regulariza period".
At least here in Argentina. It's hard as a parent to say to my daughter "no" to something the gynecologist said, but did it anyway.

Blogger CM February 14, 2019 5:49 PM  

From personal experience, we are still wacko when not on it :p.

My wacko is pretty predictable, though.

I will say, while on the mini-pill for like 3 months), I felt psychotic. My first was under a year old and I remember him crying and not wanting to nap and having a sudden urge to throw him against the wall.

Haven't had that problem since going off it.

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Blogger CM February 15, 2019 11:53 AM  

Women's hips actually get wider while pregnant, with each pregnancy. I don't know if it has any effect on other parts of the skeleton.

Hips and feet, but there exist girdles for the hips to help put them back in place post birth, before the hormones that loosen ligaments go away.

The pubic bone can split, too... if it splits to far, it can be rather uncomfortable...

Blogger CM February 15, 2019 12:03 PM  

That's why by the time she hits 40 or so she's infertile; she's out of viable eggs. What the pill does is trick her body so that she won't ovulate.

It would be interesting if birth control (or pregnancy) off-sets menopause (the end of the eggs). Or if they increase incidence of twins in late pregnancies.

That's not necessarily to imply the eggs would be any good at 50.

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