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Tuesday, February 19, 2019

Too little, too late?

Q is back and is still going on about how careful this and cautious that. I have to admit, whether there is any substance there or not, I stopped paying attention a while ago:
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 7390a9 No.5271872  📁
Feb 19 2019 18:43:38 (EST)
The DECLASSIFICATION of all requested documents (+ more) will occur.
This is not a game.
Do not let personal (emotional) desires ("do it now""now""what is taking so long""NOW!") take over.
Logical thinking and strategy should always be applied.
Game-Theory.
WE ALL WANT TO SEE EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW.
NEW THREATS (investigations by [SDNY], [AS], [MW] in an effort to delay/prevent release ('insurance extension') WILL FAIL.
TRANSPARENCY is the only way forward.
Here is some logical thinking: act while the window of opportunity is open. People are disappointed, bored, and if they haven't already lost interest in the topic, are rapidly doing so in light of the series of what look like ongoing retreats on the part of President.

My perspective is that if it happens, great. But I'm not interested in actively following along anymore. I'm certainly not with the black-pillers, who are always looking to justify their hopelessness no matter what happens, just so they can say they were right to never believe in anything. I still hope that the God-Emperor is willing and able to take action to at least try to save the American nation from the global evil that is seeking to destroy it.

But if transparency is the only way forward, then be transparent. Stop listening to all the dire warnings of so-called allies and experts, declassify everything, and let the chips fall where they may. This stage management was working beautifully for a while, but what was once a morale booster has become an irrelevance.

Q is still an entertaining concept, and AH:Q is going to be great. But it's too bad that it appears the comic will become material reality sooner than the inspiration.

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Blogger Stephen February 19, 2019 8:26 PM  

Reasonable position, reasonably stated.

Blogger Lazarus February 19, 2019 8:34 PM  

But if transparency is the only way forward, then be transparent.

A reasonable request. I monitor 8chan on a superficial level just in case something appears to happen.

Blogger sammibandit February 19, 2019 8:45 PM  

American Glasnost is turning out to be as clear as glass. Of course, that glass is smeared with years of nicotine-laced oil.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 19, 2019 9:08 PM  

I'm treating it like any other intel feed. Looking at the items of note, and digging further on those items.

If things happen, great. If not, well, it's been a fun ride.

Blogger Hammerli 280 February 19, 2019 9:09 PM  

This ties into the failed coup...and why I often think Trump is a chump who should be primaried.

It's been blindingly obvious for the last year that the Clinton campaign, with help from the Obama regime, had wiretapped the Trump campaign by fraudulent use of Federal Government assets. They faked up the dossier, laundered it through their Russian contacts, fed the results to their FBI and DOJ contacts. Who secured the FISA warrants against third-tier campaign officials. Intel take was being provided to people like Susan Rice...who promptly unmasked the conversations, found out when the third tier people were talking to second tier people, and fed the information to the Clinton campaign team.

Allow me to point out that the best the Allies did with codebreaking in the Second World War was around 10%. But that was enough to be decisive.

When Trump won anyway, they turned the illegal wiretap operation into a seditious conspiracy. Tried to overthrow the legitimately elected Government of the United States. Per 18 USC Section 2384, this carries a sentence of 20 years imprisonment. And the Federal Government tends not to issue paroles.

The sheer enormity of this act is terrifying. The Dems are playing with fulminate of mercury here...WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE MILITARY STARTS PLAYING? The armed services have the highest public approval rating of any organization in modern American culture. They have both the ability to mount a coup and the popularity to get away with it...at least for a while. Governing afterward might be problematic.

Trump has either not recognized this, or he's been sitting around twiddling his thumbs. My own suspicion is that he treats it as a personal offense...not as an attack on the Government of the United States. Either way, he needs to either get off his backside and act, or get the hell out of office and let someone willing to BE President occupy the office.

Blogger Living in a Fallen World February 19, 2019 9:14 PM  

I'm not a black pill person. In general, I hope for the best. I pray for the best. But I never saw Q as a morale booster. To me, even if Q helped with morale in the short term, I always saw it as a net loss in the long game.

The less Q pans out the more it drains hope. The more Q drags on without substantial results the more helpless and cyclical everything feels.

In fairness, if Q helped some people do research and come to personal conclusions, then great. Overall, I just always saw it as a net negative.

Talk is great. Rhetoric is fine. None of that compares to action and results though. The goals are simple. Build a wall, drain the swamp. To do so, the swamp must first be identified. I feel like good progress has been made on that front. Next, the power to drain the swamp must exist. If having Trump as president isn't enough to grant the necessary power then I don't know what will. Maybe there are a lot of factors I'm not privy to, but my simple mind is screaming for far more offensive and far less tricky mumbo jumbo bs about magical quantum chess games.

Blogger Lazarus February 19, 2019 9:21 PM  

If having Trump as president isn't enough to grant the necessary power then I don't know what will.

The Imperial Presidency isn't as Imperial as made out to be?

Blogger El Borak February 19, 2019 9:21 PM  

When I see a Podesta in handcuffs, I'll start reading Q again.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville February 19, 2019 9:21 PM  

@5 While Trump has had his eye on the presidency for years Q and others have said there was a military component working with Trump prior to the election, and that a Trump presidency was a last resort before running a military coup against a corrupt government.

Maybe Trump is being too careful, or maybe there are too many cooks in the Q kitchen, but I'm getting blue balls from this. And I agree with Neon, Q is getting repetitive.

I want a wall AND some hanged traitors.

Blogger sammibandit February 19, 2019 9:25 PM  

If Q posted here what would his track record be with the commentariat?

Jo K, you have a great way of words.

Blogger Nate February 19, 2019 9:37 PM  

I am convinced the real Q was killed... and replaced by this new Q sometime in 2016.

Blogger Lazarus February 19, 2019 9:39 PM  

So if indictments are to come, what is the best timing in relation to the 2020 election cycle?

I have no idea.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 19, 2019 9:42 PM  

When I see Q talk about "illegal coups" (is there another kind?) it just reminds me that I was there on /pol/ in late 2017 when Q told us that the 11-minute deletion of the president's Twitter account was a Deep State attempt to plant tracking on his phone so they could attack him during his Asia trip. *That* was supposed to be the breaking point where they were caught red-handed and would soon be dealt with. At some point you start wondering how many coup attempts they get.

It's not an "emotional desire" to look at a calendar and think about how fast 2020 is coming up, and how long before that declassifications and/or arrests need to start if Americans are going to have a chance to come to grips with the facts in time to vote accordingly.

Blogger Lazarus February 19, 2019 9:44 PM  

Nate wrote:I am convinced the real Q was killed... and replaced by this new Q sometime in 2016.



I am not convinced of the violence theory, but the new Q is not the old Q, for sure. More like a campaign manager.

Blogger Robert What? February 19, 2019 9:52 PM  

I rarely pay attention to Q's prognostications but it seems to me from past history that he is correct less frequently than just guessing by throwing a dart at a dart board.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 19, 2019 10:00 PM  

I once asked Vox what a good example of a Sigma in literature was. He said Aragorn.

Now I wonder what a good example of a black piller in literature was. I'm nominating Denethor. https://infogalactic.com/info/Denethor
Though as is the case, the films did him less justice.

Blogger sammibandit February 19, 2019 10:04 PM  

The whole point of code is that it can't be read without the keys, right? So if Q uses code then its ease of reading is a defect. I don't know what that makes him but it makes fools out of many, myself included.

Trump said he's transparent. Trudeau said he's transparent. I don't know what transparent government looks like though apparently I live in one. Maybe transparency is bafflegarble. Maybe it's something else. I'm not so good at big picture synthesis.

Blogger El Borak February 19, 2019 10:16 PM  

Lazarus: "So if indictments are to come, what is the best timing in relation to the 2020 election cycle?"

2018.

Blogger Hammerli 280 February 19, 2019 10:18 PM  

@16: Interesting. Because my own model of Sigma is Rhett Butler. Granted that he has the mother of all cases of Oneitis, but Sigma nevertheless.

"Gone With The Wind" is a marvelous social-sexual hierarchy study guide. Just remember, Scarlett is the villainess, not the heroine.

Blogger Lance E February 19, 2019 10:19 PM  

The only people who say "this is not a game" are the people who are playing games.

I believe that there's a certain amount of kayfabe, but part of the idea of kayfabe is that it's a dramatization of reality. Stories designed to be more entertaining than the truth but still fundamentally point the audience toward the truth. Not literally invert the winners and losers.

Anyway, thanks for clearing the air - the "Q said blah blah" posts were starting to get a little tiresome after so many bold and failed predictions. Alt-Hero Q will not only come sooner, it will probably have much greater impact than actual Q.

Blackpilling is the absurd posts along the lines of "Trump was a neocon working for the globalists and ZOG all along". I don't want to demoralize anyone but I also think that unrealistic and unjustified optimism is part of what got us into this mess in the first place. Like painkillers and antidepressants, it can lead people into passivity and not taking steps that are actually necessary. (And no, I'm not talking about random violence; use your heads, people).

Blogger Andrew February 19, 2019 10:26 PM  

The Q proofs are conclusive as far as I'm concerned. Trump is the one who's put everything of his on the line for this so I defer to him on timing.

Btw, I think one of the anons unintentionally stumbled upon Q's identity tonight: Stephen Miller.

Blogger Rough Carrigan February 19, 2019 10:36 PM  

I understand the counter argument that if you moved too soon there would be people in positions to thwart the process. Fine. Sure. There's something to that. But this is 2+ fucking years since Trump was inaugurated. It's ridiculous that there hasn't been SOMEone arrested yet. Even just a midlevel nothing like Podesta as mentioned by another commenter. Very complex cases can be put together in less than two years.

No, justice should not be done solely for public relations but justice in secret is worth almost nothing. What if they secretly arrested the entire Clinton/Obama cabal and brought them all down to Gitmo, tried them and executed them. But no one in the public ever knew. What good is that. Justice is not only for the correct result being dispensed to miscreants it's also about the public knowing that. You don't reinforce people doing right and discourage those doing wrong if it's a god damn secret.

Before Trump shitcanned Sessions, if you criticized southern Magoo's apparent lack of any progress whatsoever someone would invariably jump in and tell you that he was doing tons of stuff behind the scenes. I doubted then and now that the people saying so had no idea what was going on behind the scenes. But what good is it if re-establishment of a semblance of the rule of law is only a rumor? I'd have prosecuted John Podesta for an unpaid parking ticket. Do they really think that it's going to be a surprise to someone like him or Brennan that the justice department is after him?

If I'm this frustrated I can only imagine how some of the lukewarmish supporters feel.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 19, 2019 10:40 PM  

In another thread, I wrote::...Q is definitely a disinformation/psyop campaign. It's aimed at dismaying Trump's enemies, and puffing smoke up his supporters' skirts.

Q is 100% real, and there is no reason to believe anything it tells us.


Trump promised us a lot of winning, but he never really defined ``win,'' did he? He's energetic and a hard worker, and presumably he's making progress on his goals. I don't think his goals include destroying the Left or jailing the previous administration.

Lazarus wrote:So if indictments are to come, what is the best timing in relation to the 2020 election cycle?

Mid-2018, to turn a bunch of Leftists and cucks out of the House and Senate? If Trump had helped primary the ones he could, and jailed some of the rest, he could have a pro-Trump majority in both houses. He'd be out of excuses for not making progress ... oops.

It's a big club, and you're not in it, but Trump is. He doesn't want to burn his club down, he wants to discipline some members who are endangering his club. He'll slap around some of their underlings, and they'll get the message - he thinks. My guess is that there will be some mid-size fish fried, and the Hillarys and Valleries and Ryans and McConnells and Pelosis will skate.


sammibandit wrote:Trump said he's transparent. Trudeau said he's transparent. I don't know what transparent government looks like though apparently I live in one.

Honey, you see right through them.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 19, 2019 10:44 PM  

Just like Trump issues his speeches at a 4th grade level, the people around here don't really need to hear it at that level. And by this point, Q has dropped down.. not quite there, but anyone who wants to click on a few of the decode sites certainly can.

I take Andrew McCabe going on all the shows to get his part of the story out and point fingers in desperation at Rosenstein as a desperation move. He must be tipped off, or know that something real is about to happen, because he's trying to taint the jury pool (if there's going to be one and not some kind of military court-martial and article 1 court or something) with his modified limited hang-out.
He completely admitted to seditious conspiracy with Rosenstein and that he took tangible action on it, on camera, and he did that just to soften the blow. He must be desperate.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 19, 2019 10:49 PM  

I pay some attention to Qanon.

If truly a missle was launched to kill the POTUS, where was the military tribunal and hangings? Even if made public after the hangings.
Too much timestamp nonsense.
At some point all this patient game theorizing is just reluctance.

Blogger Fozzy Bear February 19, 2019 10:55 PM  

Has the Overton window shifted so far right so quickly? Just today we were all discussing a Victor Davis fricken Hanson column, that six months ago would be considered A-grade qanon kool-aid.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 19, 2019 11:01 PM  

Andrew wrote:The Q proofs are conclusive as far as I'm concerned.

Q is 100% real. There is no doubt Q is Trump's mouthpiece, or vise versa if you think someone is running Trump. None of that means we can believe anything Q says.

Rough Carrigan wrote://But this is 2+ fucking years since Trump was inaugurated. It's ridiculous that there hasn't been SOMEone arrested yet. Even just a midlevel nothing like Podesta as mentioned by another commenter.

There are 70,000 sealed indictments. Let's unseal a few of the small fish and have a fish fry. They can't all be essential to the case against Hillary, can they?

Rough Carrigan wrote:No, justice should not be done solely for public relations but justice in secret is worth almost nothing. ... Justice is not only for the correct result being dispensed to miscreants it's also about the public knowing that.

Secret justice is no justice at all. We need to know their crimes, and know they're doing time, or we will only know there is no justice except what we dispense ourselves. Q, you want to preserve the rule of law in America? Show us the law applies to the Left and the oligarchs and their minions.

I can't put it any better than Vox did: strike while the iron is hot.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 19, 2019 11:07 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:I take Andrew McCabe going on all the shows to get his part of the story out and point fingers in desperation at Rosenstein as a desperation move.
...
He completely admitted to seditious conspiracy with Rosenstein and that he took tangible action on it, on camera, and he did that just to soften the blow. He must be desperate.


Desperation? Or supreme confidence? After two years of treason without consequence, it looks a lot like he's above the law and just rubbing our noses in it. Trump needs to deal with the traitors and criminal oligarchs soon.

Blogger SPQRCincinnatus February 19, 2019 11:09 PM  

Qanon's *very first* prediction was spectacularly untrue. Hillary Clinton was not arrested and absolutely none of the deep state actors have been punished for their crimes. It was interesting, if not irritating, to watch Qanon's following grow in spite of a litany of specific predictions that repeatedly never actually materialized.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 19, 2019 11:13 PM  

Q was fun for a minute. Very inspiring. Unfortunately, Trump's wearing out now. A shame. He should've staffed his cabinet with friends.

Blogger Glacierman February 19, 2019 11:19 PM  

I'd like to throw this into the mix.

Any thoughts?

Citizen Journalism https://quodverum.com/

Blogger Abyssus Invocat February 19, 2019 11:24 PM  

I think Q does not actually know what game theory is or how it works. Nor do either of the players (Trump and the Democratic leadership) in this scenario.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 19, 2019 11:25 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:If truly a missle was launched to kill the POTUS, where was the military tribunal and hangings? Even if made public after the hangings.

Could this have been an old Stinger re-imported from Afganistan and launched by some covert actors who got away? Or could it just be some kayfabe to heighten suspense?

That's the problem with Q's disinfo: enough is bogus that we can't trust any of it, even though we know some bits have panned out. He's the boy who cried wolf.

Blogger SPQRCincinnatus February 19, 2019 11:26 PM  

Agreed. One of Trump's biggest mistakes thus far has been to not surround himself with utterly loyal, pro-American allies. Instead, he has surrounded himself with a lot of unenthusiastic people who do not share his vision or have America's interest at heart.

Blogger xevious2030 February 19, 2019 11:27 PM  

A military coup. By McMaster, Mattis, and Kelly, waiting to stab Flynn in the back. With Trump still not doing the thing, I have to reassess just what is their fault. The leaks went away with Kelly. And the nonsense of wanting to gouge out the eyeballs of Korea (my spin), stay in Afghanistan, or let ISIS lamppost Assad was dumb. But, again, I have to wonder how much was a convincing of who. As for Q, Q had a whole lot of potential to become, but I don't think it was, in more than limited fashion, and unless Trump starts doing his part, am not sure that it will be. I think the biggest lesson of Trump and Q is that the people that give a s#$t are going to need to stop being spectators of bread and circus, and start being more real. A little less water cooler, and a bit more about had it. Enough bending over backward to be nice to crazies. Perhaps such a change in mood might materialize a substantive Q without question.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 19, 2019 11:29 PM  

Q is not without value but one must always put it in the context of what it is: a psyop. The truly positive value is in the fact that it has awakened a fair number of otherwise clueless people into the profound evil running the show. There is a downside of course - especially if you're one of those who takes the predictions at face value (nobody has been arrested, Epstein is still diddling kids, etc.). As for the ridiculous repetition of the utterly failed and ridiculous DR3 argument, it must be a boomertard thing: both stupid and annoying.

Blogger Jack Ward February 19, 2019 11:29 PM  

I still believe in the Plan because there's little other choice. Just keep in mind. Sun Tzu. If we are confused and mystified think how it must be for our enemies in the deep state. The thought of their discomfort is what really keeps me revved up.

Blogger Jeroth February 19, 2019 11:35 PM  

Something has definitely changed. Everyone knows it and feels it. There used to be a black pill->high energy cycle, where even the whiniest black pillers would get pulled back in. The pre-election birth right citizenship EO talk might have been the straw that broke the camel's back. It's the last time he really energized almost everyone on the right, and it went absolutely nowhere, with no explanation.

The best way to describe his behavior lately is aggressive passivity. Of course, if he wants to fool his enemies into thinking he is weak, he needs to fool most of us as well. So if he keeps projecting weakness, I'm going to have to go ahead and assume he is weak. I want very badly to be proven wrong, though.

Blogger IrishFarmer February 19, 2019 11:39 PM  

The main Q achievement is motivating people to hit the streets with moralizing slogans and logos. If he is smart, he will shift to focusing on that since one way or the other the lack of arrests is going to come home to roost.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 19, 2019 11:39 PM  

One of Trump's biggest mistakes thus far has been to not surround himself with utterly loyal, pro-American allies. Instead, he has surrounded himself with a lot of unenthusiastic people who do not share his vision or have America's interest at heart.

This is one of the I really do not get about Trump. Take the recently confirmed William Barr as the perfect example. He's a swamp criminal through and through, cut directly from the greasy Robert Mueller cloth. He wants to abolish the second amendment and even did pro-bono legal work to ensure that Lon Horiuchi got away scot-free with the capital murder of Vicki Weaver. An SES (Soros Employment Service) man all the way. The only proper position of a criminal like Barr is in a prison cell - if we're being particularly charitable.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 19, 2019 11:40 PM  

Glacierman wrote:Any thoughts?

Citizen Journalism https://quodverum.com/


Shadow warriors? Maybe. Why did Trump have to settle for the ``mean life'' of president to do this?

How Trump will win everything? Maybe. Trump's ``Orange Man Bad'' aura is a big part of the Left's auto-beclownment and self destruction, so here we have something that Trump's presidency actually helps with.

I suspect that a big part of Trump's success with N-dimensional chess is that he recognized that the time was right.

Blogger SPQRCincinnatus February 19, 2019 11:43 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:I still believe in the Plan because there's little other choice. Just keep in mind. Sun Tzu. If we are confused and mystified think how it must be for our enemies in the deep state. The thought of their discomfort is what really keeps me revved up.

Why is there little other choice? Why not just take Trump's words and actions at face value? That has proven to be largely reliable thus far. It's irrelevant that our enemies are "confused and mystified" if they are still in power or unpunished. What matters most is their heads need on be atop pikes, or, at the very least, they are doing hard time. No evidence any of that is going to happen in spite of Qanon's many posts and spurious "predictions".

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 19, 2019 11:47 PM  

Jeroth wrote:The best way to describe his behavior lately is aggressive passivity. Of course, if he wants to fool his enemies into thinking he is weak, he needs to fool most of us as well.

I do hope Trump conclusively ends this deceptive appearance of weakness well before the next election.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 19, 2019 11:52 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:One of Trump's biggest mistakes thus far has been to not surround himself with utterly loyal, pro-American allies. Instead, he has surrounded himself with a lot of unenthusiastic people who do not share his vision or have America's interest at heart.

Trump had to choose between outsiders with no experience in DC, or traitors. He chose experienced traitors. So far, it doesn't look like a good choice.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 19, 2019 11:53 PM  

telling the truth about Donald Trump, a lifelong (((New York))) liberal Democrat completly in thrall to the Wall Street Jews is not an expression of "hopelessness".

we on the White hardRight have a substantial chance of winning.

and destroying our globohomo (cf. Trump's latest satanic initiative) enemies.

but it won't be by voting.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 20, 2019 12:10 AM  

There is a downside of course - especially if you're one of those who takes the predictions at face value

Yes, I'm sure it's most demoralizing for those who follow Q obsessively and get caught up in each implied prediction and then let down by them. That also gives the blackpillers ammo to use against those folks, as we can see. For people who just hear Q things second-hand now and then and consider it part of the mix of things beyond their certainty, that's probably less of a problem.

As far as this Q's suggestion that we're being impatient goes: if I keep promising you a cookie, I don't really get to chide you for salivating.

Blogger Jamie-R February 20, 2019 12:21 AM  

Yeah but did Q release your mate's noodz on twitter? Conflict is attention attention is influence influence is penith, lots of gymbro penith.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 20, 2019 12:33 AM  

Hammerli280 wrote:Rhett Butler. Granted that he has the mother of all cases of Oneitis, but Sigma nevertheless.


He got over it.

Blogger Azimus February 20, 2019 12:34 AM  

Did anyone take Nostradamus seriously when he was alive? Q might end up being a prophet - but who cares - if his cryptic messages mean nothing now, they are of no use.

Blogger cyrus83 February 20, 2019 12:44 AM  

I keep an eye on it since one thing Q seems rather clear about is being on the president's side, but I don't go much beyond the surface.

I don't dismiss the possibility of Q being genuine, but I also don't dismiss the idea of Q being a Trump means of pumping up the morale of his supporters, Trump is a very good showman. Time and events will eventually prove this out one way or the other.

Blogger Garuna February 20, 2019 12:45 AM  

@Jamie-R

Only low testosterone, noodle-armed, pencilneck, skinnyfat faggots use the word "gymbro".

Go to a gym and sweat that passive aggressive effeminacy out of you.

Blogger Vaughan Williams February 20, 2019 12:51 AM  

@38 it went nowhere because Trump explicitly said he doesn't want to "energize those people". If he is triangulating to the center, then nothing is happening because said center doesn't exist.

Blogger Hari Seldon February 20, 2019 1:01 AM  

Gen. Kong wrote:This is one of the I really do not get about Trump. Take the recently confirmed William Barr as the perfect example.

Or take the recent news that Mark Short, former White House legislative director, is coming back as VP Pence's chief of staff:

"Short is a big reason there is no border wall or progress on the immigration front. He once boasted to Politico how he never pushed Congress to work on Trump’s immigration priorities. Before joining the WH he was the head of a multimillion $ effort by the Kochs to stop Trump"

I'm not blackpilling here, as Trump has accomplished a lot and I'm grateful for that. But I simply do not understand why he has stuffed his administration with so many people who openly hate him and his professed agenda. It just doesn't make sense to me. At all.

Blogger Jack Amok February 20, 2019 1:04 AM  

More arresting, less talking.

Blogger Joeplanet February 20, 2019 1:05 AM  

Less concern for optics.

Blogger Hari Seldon February 20, 2019 1:27 AM  

Following up on my previous comment, I should say that there is one theory of Trump's staffing disaster that sort of makes sense and has the virtue of being simple. As the Derb put it in his latest column:

"I’m also getting the impression of a guy who is lazy and timid. By lazy I mean he hasn’t made much effort to improve his understanding of key issues, or to get properly to grips with staffing chores. By timid I mean reluctant to challenge, to throw down gauntlets—like an executive order ending Birthright Citizenship. Sure, it might fail at last, but at least battle would have been joined."

I don't like to agree with Derbyshire here, but presidential lassitude would explain the creeping advance of the Swamp since 2017 - though it would hardly explain Trump's spectacular early personnel blunders. More and more, I am reminded of the premise of Yes, Minister.

There is always hope. Trump can still turn this around, but he is running out of time fast.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 20, 2019 2:06 AM  

" Per 18 USC Section 2384, this carries a sentence of 20 years imprisonment. And the Federal Government tends not to issue paroles."

I've been pointing out for years that being forced to bake the actual cake the metaphor derives from -- or shut down, was a violation of 18 USC 1589 Forced Labor that should have resulted in thousands of dollars of fines and/or twenty years of imprisonment.

Until the executive starts up the executions, the law results in nothing. These are the people we're dealing with. They have to be physically broken and destroyed.

Blogger Zerokage February 20, 2019 2:15 AM  

Q was either a troll looking for attention or an operation to make those on the right complacent so they wouldn't engage in activism.

Blogger Capital One Business February 20, 2019 2:37 AM  

Too little for too late.

Richard
https://start.me/p/OmXoML

Blogger Vlad Z. February 20, 2019 2:45 AM  

Nate: Q didn't start until October 2017. So the real Q couldn't have been killed in 2016.

Personally the Microchip and Dreamcatcher story has always rung true to me.

So Q was replaced, with the move to 8 Chan being there key hardening of ownership by some board mods.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 20, 2019 2:53 AM  

Q advises thumb twittling.

Blogger Innamorato February 20, 2019 3:10 AM  

Nothing about Trump himself tells me he’s in on some super secret swamp draining mission.

The last hope I have of Q being legit is “future proves past” angle. Maybe they intentionally showed their hand a year early and this year we’ll see the storm.

Blogger wahr01 February 20, 2019 3:15 AM  

@63

Trump is a populist through-and-through.
If he thinks popular support for a position does not exist, he will not pursue it.

Hence the "Q" psyop.
Convince Trump's base there's some "plan" so they don't hold his feet to the fire and make him fight or turn out to enforce their mandate in 2018.

Worked wonders.

Blogger Matamoros February 20, 2019 3:37 AM  

Walmart vs Amazon - Google backs Walmart source

As you can see, the jaws have closed, albeit mostly driven by the resurgence of Walmart. This spread trade was good for about 25% since June. Amazon was 4.3 times the size of Walmart. Now its about 2.5 times as big.

And this convergence should continue to have legs, not just because of the pressure from Washington on Amazon, but also because of the competitive moves made by Walmart, that may be finally garnering some respect on Wall Street.

Walmart has been aggressively investing in online. They bought Jet.com in 2016, an American online retailer. That same year they took a large stake in the number two online retailer in China, JD.com. Walmart now owns 12% of JD.

JD.com already has a big share of ecommerce in China. They are number two to Alibaba, but gaining ground due to some clear competitive advantages. JD owns and controls its logistics infrastructure, and does quality control from the supplier to delivery. And unlike Alibaba, JD sources product to its warehouses to fight the counterfeit goods risk - a big problem in China. JD has 500+ warehouses around the country, and they now source product and service customers from one of the 433 Walmart stores in China.

So Walmart is positioned well to take advantage of the growth in the middle class in China. Amazon has yet to find its way in China. It has about 1% market share. Add to this, Google came in last year with a $550 million investment to help position JD to challenge Alibaba and Amazon on a global scale.

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Blogger Mark Stoval February 20, 2019 4:18 AM  

I wonder what sort of threats have been made towards President Trump.

The CIA and others killed the Kennedy brothers. I think the deep state has killed or threatened many politicians who they considered a threat to their vision of how the USA should be.

Certainly Trump looked to be a threat to their goal of turning the USA in to a brown stew.

The big question is if Trump will turn to the military for support. A military takeover might be preferable to the state of affairs that exists at present.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile February 20, 2019 4:43 AM  

If we are confused and mystified think how it must be for our enemies in the deep state.

This is assertion is not logical. Why would it be sensible to assume the Deep State knows as little as us plebs? They maybe evil, but they also have ears, eyes and tentacles all over the place.

As utterly shit as W was in every other facet, at least when he came in after the 2000 "New Economy" swindle broke down, some important people actually went to jail. The rule of law has been brutally and publicly degrade ever since, and its return doesn't seem to be in the offing, internet secret squirrels dropping enigmatic acorns notwithstanding.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 20, 2019 4:46 AM  

OT:


"Finally, a Useful Book on Identitarianism"

Robert Hampton, American Renaissance, February 19, 2019
A Portuguese scholar has written a fair account of the movement.

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2019/02/finally-a-useful-book-on-identitarianism/


Interesting book review. He highlights some rays of hope. Worth a look.

Blogger Jamie-R February 20, 2019 5:22 AM  

Only low testosterone, noodle-armed, pencilneck, skinnyfat faggots use the word "gymbro".
Go to a gym and sweat that passive aggressive effeminacy out of you.


There's a few reps to pump you up. Millennials ruined the gym, it's cringe city. Steroids & Instagram is not a healthy lifestyle. None of the guys on the battlefields of WWI were gymbros, they did just fine as men. Try again.

Blogger Matrick February 20, 2019 5:36 AM  

"Q was [...] an operation to make those on the right complacent so they wouldn't engage in activism."

This. Q takes the part of Trump's base that is most likely to exert pressure on Trump and cause in-real-life headaches, and safely keeps them playing secret agent on the Internet. It also keeps them energised and loyal and ready to vote for him again in 2020 as they "trust the plan".

As someone else said, it's a net loss; but after Trump has won a second term, it won't matter to him.
If I'm wrong on this then I'll jump for joy.

Blogger ZhukovG February 20, 2019 6:45 AM  

I have never paid attention to Q. As a common grunt on the front lines, I need advice from the 'General Staff'; not cryptic code phrases from a spook.

IMO, our beloved GE is doing what he can. He is not omnipotent and his list of allies is thin. That I have freedom of initiative within my 'zone of control' is sufficient for now.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Imperator Trump!!

Blogger xevious2030 February 20, 2019 7:26 AM  

Trump does not have staffing problems. Think Vox's recent quote on the Peninsular wars, in terms of intention and choice. Think placeholder, placeholders can put on a show, they continue, but they do not change much.

Blogger peacefulposter February 20, 2019 7:30 AM  

The GE's greatest accomplishment, and there have been many, is that he has boosted morale on the right. While enthusiasm may have taken a slight dip recently, it will rebound again. Regardless of what happens next with Trump, the pendulum is swinging our way.

Still expecting a Trumpslide 2020 but if not, we should all tip our hats and be grateful to the GE. Based on the previous two years alone, he will go down as the greatest president of all time.

Blogger Gettimothy February 20, 2019 7:47 AM  

If Q is an Embrace, Extend, Execute operation against the Nationalists then it us working fairly well.

The wariness of supporters is growing.

Buy more ammo.

Blogger Stilicho February 20, 2019 7:57 AM  

@jack amok: exactly-perp walks, not perp-talks.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2019 8:20 AM  

Zerokage wrote:Q was either a troll looking for attention or an operation to make those on the right complacent so they wouldn't engage in activism.

Q has always, obviously, been an operation. Trump has carefully never denied Q.

wahr01 wrote:Trump is a populist through-and-through.

If he thinks popular support for a position does not exist, he will not pursue it.

Hence the "Q" psyop.

Convince Trump's base there's some "plan" so they don't hold his feet to the fire and make him fight or turn out to enforce their mandate in 2018.


This has always been the worry. We knew from the start that Trump was not one of us, didn't want what we wanted. Q is quite possibly Trump's way of taking off the pressure from his base, whom he finds disagreeable.

Gettimothy wrote:Buy more ammo.

This is the time to take care of logistics. Nobody ever had enough ammo.

Blogger Unknown February 20, 2019 9:06 AM  

I have seen this sort of "NEWS POST" format announcements before, and each time they have been associated with complete bunk.

The easiest examples are NESARA posts and Iraqi Dinar RV posts.

Same formats, same hyperbole... the "BIG MOVES" are always just around the corner (but never happen).

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2019 9:25 AM  

Michael Taylor wrote:I have seen this sort of "NEWS POST" format announcements before, and each time they have been associated with complete bunk.


Q's booms always fizzle.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 20, 2019 9:34 AM  

Q might end up being a prophet

Part of the problem is people really seeing Q in terms of prophet/not-prophet, instead of a possible inside information source, and attributing knowledge to him that Trump himself couldn't know, which is bound to lead to let-downs.

For instance, during the Kavanaugh hearings, Q posted a short message: "53-47". Obviously he was predicting the final vote. I was predicting the same thing, because I was convinced Trump had Flake by the balls, and would probably get one red-state Democrat like McCaskill once it was clear they couldn't stop him. So 53-47 seemed like a good bet. But to KNOW that ahead of time, that would mean the votes had already been decided, and Trump's people knew that. While it might have been settled by then that he would be confirmed, the way things played out with one R going to a wedding and giving the Alaska woman a chance to virtue-signal nay proved that the individual votes hadn't been settled yet.

But I had Q believers telling me afterwards, "You don't know what 53-47 meant. You can't prove he was talking about the vote." As if he was predicting next year's Super Bowl or something and just felt like jerking his followers around. That insistence that he knows all, even the future, makes them look like dopes. If you figure he's someone who works in a field where a lot of information crosses his desk, who uses it to make connections and educated guesses, your emotions won't get jerked around so much.

Blogger mgh February 20, 2019 9:41 AM  

If they had revealed all and let the chips fall already, it would be old news and all we would hear from the media and Dems is the need to move on to the important business of the people. The MSM would be damaged, but not broken. To permanently change things, the MSM credibility must be destroyed with the average citizen and the current Dem party must be decimated. That is what it appears to me that Trump/Q is aiming for. Q contains a lot of psyop so I have no idea if Q is a psyop of diminishing success or if the enemy is about to be overrun in some epic collapse.

Blogger xevious2030 February 20, 2019 9:48 AM  

@76

Check, check, not necessarily literal.

Blogger xevious2030 February 20, 2019 9:58 AM  

To make the best of the situation, Trump and Q need to be considered/treated as a Valley Forge (situation, location), with the need to find and place a George Washington (not in hopes of a messiah, but because that is how people historically organize for effective action).

Blogger tuberman February 20, 2019 10:19 AM  

Peaceful

"Still expecting a Trumpslide 2020 but if not, we should all tip our hats and be grateful to the GE. Based on the previous two years alone, he will go down as the greatest president of all time."

According to one MSM outlet there is at least 30 million people following Q now World Wide. But they lie, as it is at least 200 and perhaps 300 million people. So, some get bored, just a drop in a huge bucket.

I admit, I've followed 4Chan first since about 10 days before Q showed, looking at the Pedogate material. I lack patience too, and often wished for a "Night of the Long Knives" answer to these monsters. Yet Q has stated we are now in Phase 3 or Justice Phase to bring back "the rule of law," if that can happen, I'm still for it.

I got involved deeply over Woes material about the young girls in the UK being "groomed" by Muslims several years ago, and much of this child abuse has been stopped WW (although it has not reached the UK Pakis yet), and this is due to Trump. He is shutting down the trafficking.

Good chance he also prevented WWIII with NK and a couple other times.

Blogger Poco February 20, 2019 10:23 AM  

The number one effect of Trump has been the exposure of the lugenpresse in the US. There is no doubt of this.
This alone makes him a great president. All previous presidents spent a lot of time treating the media as if they were an honest and legitimate public institution thus perpetuating the charade. That is over..

Blogger Avalanche February 20, 2019 10:29 AM  

@11 "I am convinced the real Q was killed... and replaced by this new Q sometime in 2016."

There was sure a "personality" change for Q at one point... From the warrior working towards/through the battles to "kumbaya, we are the world, everybody hold hands." Really bothered me. Then that FEELZ guy disappeared for quite a while; but has recently come back... Not a lot of feelz drops; but enough of them to be very jarring! ("Let's stop in the midst of the battle for a required class on inclusivity.... just hope the enemy waits for us to finish!")

This essay certainly offers an interesting spin (and a wee 'lift of hope') in what it offers:

https://quodverum.com/2019/02/45/shadow-warriors-how-trump-s-praetorian-is-saving-the-republic.html

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 20, 2019 10:33 AM  

One of the things about Qanon that makes me suspicious is the push for wara-war-war with Iran.
And then, what is the BS about military intervention in Venezuela?

Blogger OneWingedShark February 20, 2019 10:40 AM  

Jeff aka Orville wrote:@5 While Trump has had his eye on the presidency for years Q and others have said there was a military component working with Trump prior to the election, and that a Trump presidency was a last resort before running a military coup against a corrupt government.

Maybe Trump is being too careful, or maybe there are too many cooks in the Q kitchen, but I'm getting blue balls from this. And I agree with Neon, Q is getting repetitive.

I want a wall AND some hanged traitors.

The really frustrating thing is that it would be very simple to make huge strides here;
Well, here what you do; it's a simple ten-step program:
(1) Deploy troops to the border, with orders to secure it from invasion as per Article 4, Section 4;
(2) Authorize lethal force on the border, which has already been done;
(3) Invite the press for a nice good show/piece, timed to coincide with the next caravan's arrival;
(4) While the press are there, show them to a good vintage point, order A-10s and M-109s to bombard the caravan;
(5) Let the now-horrified press leave;
(6) Wait for the inevitable "He's a Monster!", "Impeach!", and "Our troops are killing harmless refugees!" stories;
(7) Wait for the manufactured outrage to motivate articles of impeachment;
(8) After the vote is cast, have the Army arrest the Aye-voting Reps for their obvious Treason;
(9) Have the Army arrest the newspaper reporters and editors who went to bat for the invaders;
(10) PUBLIC HANGINGS!


Rough Carrigan wrote:No, justice should not be done solely for public relations but justice in secret is worth almost nothing. What if they secretly arrested the entire Clinton/Obama cabal and brought them all down to Gitmo, tried them and executed them. But no one in the public ever knew. What good is that. Justice is not only for the correct result being dispensed to miscreants it's also about the public knowing that. You don't reinforce people doing right and discourage those doing wrong if it's a god damn secret.
Pv. 21:11 - "When a mocker is punished, the simple gain wisdom; by paying attention to the wise they get knowledge."
Ecl 8:11 - "Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed quickly, therefore the hearts of the sons of men among them are given fully to do evil."
Pv 19:29 - "Judgments are prepared for scoffers, And blows for the back of fools."

What could be more of a mockery than the continual thumbing their noses at us, scofflaws using their positions of power and influence to utterly escape punishment and, moreover, typically gain rewards for such?

Before Trump shitcanned Sessions, if you criticized southern Magoo's apparent lack of any progress whatsoever someone would invariably jump in and tell you that he was doing tons of stuff behind the scenes. I doubted then and now that the people saying so had no idea what was going on behind the scenes. But what good is it if re-establishment of a semblance of the rule of law is only a rumor? I'd have prosecuted John Podesta for an unpaid parking ticket. Do they really think that it's going to be a surprise to someone like him or Brennan that the justice department is after him?

If I'm this frustrated I can only imagine how some of the lukewarmish supporters feel.

I knew Sessions was a bad choice before he was confirmed. The Iran Deal showed exactly the sort of person he was.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 20, 2019 10:40 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:Q was fun for a minute. Very inspiring. Unfortunately, Trump's wearing out now. A shame. He should've staffed his cabinet with friends.
This.
Hell, even people who "don't particularly care for Trump" but love the US would be much better. Enthusiastic, but inexperienced, perhaps with a touch of idealism would be far better than those he's surrounded himself with.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Gen. Kong wrote:One of Trump's biggest mistakes thus far has been to not surround himself with utterly loyal, pro-American allies. Instead, he has surrounded himself with a lot of unenthusiastic people who do not share his vision or have America's interest at heart.
Trump had to choose between outsiders with no experience in DC, or traitors. He chose experienced traitors. So far, it doesn't look like a good choice.

Agreed. It really looks like a "too big to fail"-type excuse.

Zerokage wrote:Q was either a troll looking for attention or an operation to make those on the right complacent so they wouldn't engage in activism.
I'm inclined to think the latter, but then I tend to veer toward the cynical a bit… so take it with a grain of salt.

Blogger Anonymous White Male February 20, 2019 10:58 AM  

I never really believed in Q. If what we perceive him/it to be is engaged in taking down the swamp, the swamp would have had their best operatives tracking him/it and taking him/it out. If it was Trump, the Fake News Network would have revealed it and claimed it was proof of Trump's yada yada yada.

Blogger Andrew February 20, 2019 11:01 AM  

One of the things about Qanon that makes me suspicious is the push for wara-war-war with Iran.
And then, what is the BS about military intervention in Venezuela?


Because, according to Q, Iran is not a sovereign nation but a major base of operations for the Deep State to implement their long term goal of one world government and religion. Ditto Venezuela.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 20, 2019 11:15 AM  

So Q was replaced, with the move to 8 Chan being there key hardening of ownership by some board mods.

The move/replacement to 8ch was when this "this message will SELF-DESTRUCT" style started. I think there have been three fairly distinct Q styles since the first one, who didn't even call himself Q. That doesn't say much about which ones if any are "legit," though, whatever that means.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 20, 2019 11:21 AM  

@90
Where in the world is not a Cabal base of operation being claimed?

Blogger tuberman February 20, 2019 11:30 AM  

90. Andrew

Of course, you're correct. JamesInIgnorance checks out nothing, and merely rants.

If PDJT had not done the Sword Dance alliance with the Saudis to go against the DS Iran, we would still be dealing with the old Saudi regime that gave us BHO, and bribed 75% of our Congress. That all fell apart in a week after that deal, along with the Saudi's being the center of about 60% of the child trafficking in the World. The new Saudi government has stopped that. The money that has dried up from the old regime taken down was a major blow to the DS WW.

Iran as the DS puppet represents a large percent of the terrorist funding especially in the middle east.

What would happen if we had clueless ranters, who check out nothing running this country?

Oh, and BTW, Trump threatened to invade NK too, more than once, and what happened with that distraction?

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 20, 2019 11:42 AM  

@93
And here we have proof of why so many people call the GOP-Dems the uniparty.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 20, 2019 12:30 PM  

I only check once a month, or so. But it's part of my philosophy: I want the President to do his job, while I do mine. I know the media lies, and even under the best circumstances public information is not complete. Teddy Roosevelt sent Alice Roosevelt on a trip to Japan, catnip for the media, to distract everyone from the serious diplomacy carried out by serious men on the same ship. GHWBush starts his biography paralleling what the media was talking about with what was going on inside the White House in diplomacy with China. So, I know I don't know, even if I read the paper.

Second: I compare what we want: a leader reads the list of enemies and they get escorted out of the ruling chamber to never be seen again- with what is good long-term for America- keeping the rules in place. When you pull a dictator move, you have to stay dictatoring for life, and then plan for a reaction from the out of power party. If you follow the rules of law and evidence and procedure, then nothing has been broken.

I think the analysis is that the Dem party is weak- few voter, and weak- only money from a few bad actors, mostly outside of the USA. The conspiracy types keep pointing to the very successful destabilizations in small countries populating the Balkans- and that the people who pulled these coups off now have a great deal of experience, and can be quite efficient in their destabilize then plunder then oppress plans. So what I think I'm seeing is a game of Jenga: who donates to a losing party? Who donates to disgraced officials?

Third off: I'm inclined to believe there is something there, Qwise, in that the starting premises are being published, but not all of them. Children are trafficked from foster care,for instance. Media people are sexually depraved, and this is used to compromise their reporting. Trump does need our help to pressure reluctant senators to do the right thing- Q asks people to call their reps to ask for wall funding.

The more elaborate stuff: who knows? I don't. It's not out of the realm of the possible, but it's not something I would testify to. I am mostly curious why these sorts of horrors are plot points in hardbound, nyt/London bestseller author's books, but now they walk them back, insist that it's all a fiction.

Blogger Frank Brady February 20, 2019 12:59 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:

When Trump won anyway, they turned the illegal wiretap operation into a seditious conspiracy. Tried to overthrow the legitimately elected Government of the United States. Per 18 USC Section 2384, this carries a sentence of 20 years imprisonment. And the Federal Government tends not to issue paroles.


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Hamerli280 has it nailed. Trump should prosecute all concerned. If he doesn't, he doesn't deserve people's trust and is not worthy to occupy the office.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 20, 2019 4:04 PM  

according to Q's flim-flam

and the hasbara called "Tuberman",

"Iran is a Deep State operation" which

"funds a large part of the Terrorism in the Middle East".

these are brazen lies:

the DS is 100% Zionist, and intends to attack and destroy shi'ite Iran (and shi'ite Hezbollah) because they stand in the way of the Greater Israel Project.

while the principle terrorists in the M.E. are Isramerica's pet Sunni thugs - ISIS, Al-Q et al. - and Sunni regimes: principally, Saudi Arabia.

Blogger Avalanche February 20, 2019 5:20 PM  

@22 " It's ridiculous that there hasn't been SOMEone arrested yet. Even just a midlevel nothing like Podesta as mentioned by another commenter. Very complex cases can be put together in less than two years."

Okay, let's say we've got a SHIT-TON of video proof: let's say, we've got SEVEN videos of attacks with a titanium bike lock at seven different events on seven different folks with MAGA hats. Let's say there is no question whatsoever about who the the assailant is and what he did. Let's say the guy gets charged with SEVEN counts of attempted murder/aggravated assault and is taken to court "right away" to help 'Trump's base" feel better about the waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting...

And the effing damned idiot-liberal jury LETS HIM OFF! How's THAT work out for our side?!

All those disaffected libs and independents who held their noses and voted Trump -- as WE have been doing for decades with GOPe trash-candidates -- now join the walkaway movement by walking AWAY from Trump, because clearly HE was unable to stop this travesty. (And don't forget - MOST of the people are MPAIs! Says so, right on the tin!)

As much as I have wailed and wrung my hands about "DO SOMETHING!"; until our God Emperor has a USABLE justice system -- there is NO POINT in wasting time with a corrupt just-us system!

So, yeah, insanely frustrating, knife's edge of a chance, but Trust the Plan includes HOLD TO the Plan... That's our chance at success.

No 'very complex cases' going before liberal swamp courts!!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 20, 2019 6:22 PM  

@97, Avalanche, there are 70,000+ sealed indictments. Do you really think there aren't any in the 5th Circuit where a conviction would be trivially obtainable? Federal prosecutors have a near-100 percent conviction rate, so getting a few hundred carefully selected small fish convicted should be child's play.

Blogger damaris.tighe February 21, 2019 6:20 AM  

Q released his riddles into a community where codes are like catnip - suspicious.
People said it was good for morale and lines of research and that may be so - but what a time and attention suck.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 21, 2019 10:13 AM  

@99, a whole lot of people found a whole lot of turds in punch bowls. The people obsessing over that stuff weren't resources that the Central Scrutinizer could have allocated elsewhere, so it may have been productive, and couldn't have been wasted.

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