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Friday, February 15, 2019

"Total capitulation"

Ann Coulter is beyond furious with President Trump:
Ann Coulter is taking her criticism of President Trump to the next level following his national emergency declaration, with the conservative commentator declaring Friday, "the country is over."

Coulter hammered Trump in a Friday interview with KABC after he announced he would sign Congress' funding deal and declare a national emergency. "The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot," she said, per Mediaite. She also fumed that Trump is just "fooling the rubes" with this national emergency declaration.

The root of Coulter's criticism isn't that Trump is bypassing Congress, as she argued that Trump never needed Congress to build the wall at all. Instead, she suggested the president is actually "hoping" the national emergency declaration will just be blocked by the courts "because for some reason, he really doesn't want to build the wall."

On Twitter, Coulter said that responsibility for the border wall deal, which the president has said he is unhappy with, is "100% his," and she responded to Trump saying in his press conference that he barely knows Coulter by writing, "THANK YOU, Mr. President for admitting that your total capitulation on campaign promises has nothing to do with me."
Maybe he has finally cucked and capitulated. Maybe not. As always with the God-Emperor, wait two days before reaching any conclusions.

It strikes me as more than a little odd that despite the report on Breitbart, no one in the media or in either party establishment is celebrating the President's signing of the funding deal. This tends to lead me to conclude that it is at least possible that he is simply leading them on and that he will not sign it in the end.

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176 Comments:

Blogger mgh February 15, 2019 8:20 PM  

Early reports suggest the hyperventilating over the bill is overstated. And the bottom line is that it is a spending bill, and thus lasts until Sept 30. Next year's spending bill replaces any of the garbage that made it into this bill.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah February 15, 2019 8:22 PM  

Hasn't he already signed the bill?

Blogger DJ | AMDG February 15, 2019 8:25 PM  

Except it’s not just “a spending bill.” It is an omnibus bill which includes many OTHER bills beside those related to appropriations, including now and future amnesty for several classes of illegal immigrants AND codified language that explicitly states no other monies will be used for border security purposes other than those outlined in the bill. IF trump signs it he’ll be agreeing to make illegal actions he’s claiming he’ll do with the national emergency.

Blogger mgh February 15, 2019 8:26 PM  

Read this posted by wahr01 in comments of emergency article: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-official-border-security-bill-does-not-contain-amnesty-poison-pills

Blogger LES February 15, 2019 8:32 PM  

There is apparently no stopping the Zionists from ruling the world from Jerusalem. Maybe the real Messiah is yet to come?

Blogger Billie Anderson February 15, 2019 8:36 PM  

I've about had enough of that skinny self-promoting bimbo...I don't feel that I'm alone in this...

Blogger FUBARwest February 15, 2019 8:36 PM  

"Except it’s not just “a spending bill.” It is an omnibus bill which includes many OTHER bills beside those related to appropriations, including now and future amnesty for several classes of illegal immigrants AND codified language that explicitly states no other monies will be used for border security purposes other than those outlined in the bill. IF trump signs it he’ll be agreeing to make illegal actions he’s claiming he’ll do with the national emergency."

Here's the problem, do I believe you or DHS?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-official-border-security-bill-does-not-contain-amnesty-poison-pills

Blogger GAHCindy February 15, 2019 8:39 PM  

He's not going to cuck. He doesn't have it in him.

Blogger Chris Fieldman February 15, 2019 8:39 PM  

WaPo says he signed it two hours ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-border-emergency-the-president-plans-a-10-am-announcement-in-the-rose-garden/2019/02/15/f0310e62-3110-11e9-86ab-5d02109aeb01_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ab739abbe997
"As part of the national emergency declaration, Trump signed a $333 billion spending bill that funds many government operations through September. This averted a government shutdown that would have begun Saturday."

Not sure how reliable that is though.

Blogger tz February 15, 2019 8:42 PM  

The devil is in the catch and release details.

If MS13 just have to go to a port of entry and say "I have a relative" or take a child with him and be admitted and then disappear, there is no point in having a wall.

To use the GE's example, "there will be a big beautiful door" - and it will be open for illegal chain migration. The worst of all possible options.

Of course, the GE could ignore the 9th short circuit. And apparently Ruthie is clawing her way back.

Compare 2nd Amendment - I wanted reciprocal CCW, but I got a Bump Stock Ban and Red Flag laws.


The Military? Are they going to shoot or engage in catch, spend $30k fixing medical problems, then release?

Blogger Azimus February 15, 2019 8:42 PM  

Waiting for 48hrs per SDL.

Blogger tz February 15, 2019 8:48 PM  

Also the God Emperor has underestimated or simply gotten wrong the "Read my lips", "oh, I had to break my promise" of every President going back to at least Nixon.

He is excellent at persuasion and rhetoric, but eventually Dorothy wants to go home, and you have the Witches Broom, so why not deliver? He can complain all he wants about Paul Ryno, but we've been complaining about him since he was Romneycare's VP choice. Trump should have shut down the Government at the next CR after Ryno announced his exit.

Most of the analysis has concentrated on the immigration in this awful bill, but it probably funds infanticide, building Mosques, having doctors ask everyone "do you have any guns at home", and similar things.

The devil is in the details and Trump has opened the hellhole.

Blogger Dave February 15, 2019 8:51 PM  

"THANK YOU, Mr. President for admitting that your total capitulation on campaign promises has nothing to do with me."

See, Ann is letting her emotions cloud her judgement. She's emotionally attached to particular concepts because she's written books about them. It's common knowledge this president has already fulfilled more campaign promises than anybody ever expected.

Blogger spinoza February 15, 2019 8:52 PM  

The president said he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it and today he funded the wall entirely with confiscated drug money...He is playing his part to a T

Blogger Matt February 15, 2019 8:53 PM  

@Dave

Only 2 of his campaign promises matter. The rest are fumes

Blogger Fozzy Bear February 15, 2019 8:54 PM  

Has anyone actually read the text of H.J. 31? Most of the quotes cited online are deliberately misleading. I go into more detail in comment 151 on the last thread.

Blogger Pioneer Spirit February 15, 2019 8:56 PM  

Rush described the situation today at noon. Neither party wants that wall built. This is a message to Trump supporters that no matter what they want, upstart Trump will not be allowed to succeed.

Blogger Student in Blue February 15, 2019 8:56 PM  

Ann Coulter's basically been taken on a ride by her own emotions ever since Trump came into office. So take whatever she says with a grain of salt, as you would with anyone eyeing up the fainting couch.

Blogger Rick February 15, 2019 8:58 PM  

It just doesn’t add up. Why would he go to all the trouble to sign a bill, at this point, as it’s been described. It doesn’t make sense.
I need a motive.
If it’s to give Ann a fatal heart attack at least that’s a motive.
Going cuck is not a motive.

Blogger FUBARwest February 15, 2019 9:00 PM  

"Has anyone actually read the text of H.J. 31? Most of the quotes cited online are deliberately misleading. I go into more detail in comment 151 on the last thread."

No, they haven't. Everyone is going off of summeries posted by the media and Twitter journos.

Thank you for your clarification on some of the points. I plan on reading it myself later today now that I have a source.

Blogger Dave February 15, 2019 9:03 PM  

Big Bear going to be off the hook tonight.

Blogger Vaughan Williams February 15, 2019 9:08 PM  

@16 Fozzy thank you for doing the heavy lifting and actually reading the thing. Informative comment.

Blogger Lance E February 15, 2019 9:08 PM  

Didn't he already sign the bill? That's what everyone is reporting, in both legacy and alt media.

Not really much to wait for; deal is done, amnesty declared.

Blogger spinoza February 15, 2019 9:09 PM  

It’s his job to sign bills, how the MSM and twitter chamber digest and tell people what to think about them may vary by location.

Blogger Rick February 15, 2019 9:14 PM  

Let’s pay VD to read it. He’s the smartest guy I know + trust.

Blogger Rick February 15, 2019 9:18 PM  

One more thing about motive.
I know the enemies’ motive. I know what they like. Divide and discourage Trump’s base? That sounds just like the MSM, nevertrumps, and otherenemies I know.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 February 15, 2019 9:24 PM  

Went and read your comment - if your assessment is correct, it makes a lot more sense that Trump would sign this.

Blogger Ataraxia February 15, 2019 9:24 PM  

"It strikes me as more than a little odd that despite the report on Breitbart, no one in the media or in either party establishment is celebrating the President's signing of the funding deal"

Oh the Dems are absolutely celebrating tonight.

For the past three weeks (since the shutdown) all we've heard from Pelosi and Schumer is that walls are immoral and Trump wouldn't get a single dollar for border security. Now all of the sudden we have near unanimous support and passage of the bill mostly because of the Democratic House majority. What has changed? By giving Trump a few miles of structure that isn't actually going to be a wall and can be vetoed by local officials, the Dems have completely neutered ICE's ability to arrest illegals already here (reduced beds) and have provided de facto amnesty to any illegal that can possibly be considered a sponsor to an unaccompanied minor either in the US or on the way to the US.

Minors are already pouring into the US at record numbers. It is only going to get worse.

Blogger wahr01 February 15, 2019 9:29 PM  

Rick wrote:One more thing about motive.

I know the enemies’ motive. I know what they like. Divide and discourage Trump’s base? That sounds just like the MSM, nevertrumps, and otherenemies I know.



They've certainly done their job well.

They have coulter and cerno black-pilling like i've never seen before, but it's not unusual for either of them to go "fair-weather friend" without full understanding.

Before DHS weighed in, I was erring on the side of "duped Trump", after, not so much.

The DOJ is still a swampy mess thanks to Mueller, but DHS is the most Trump-Converged department in the government at this point. They were "with him" before the election at ground level and he replaced their 7th floor with loyalists because Mueller had no jurisdiction.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-official-border-security-bill-does-not-contain-amnesty-poison-pills

The sleight of hand with rhetorical language in the bills is masterful, but I now trust the DHS that this is a "nothingburger"

Blogger Rick February 15, 2019 9:38 PM  

Thanks Wahro1, we may need to revise our “wait 2 days” policy to “wait 12 hours”.
Things are moving at the speed of Trump.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2019 9:43 PM  

"I've about had enough of that skinny self-promoting bimbo...I don't feel that I'm alone in this..."

Skinny is fine. Hysteria with a big mouth unoccluded by sock is unsightly.

ON topic, Fozzy Bear you are a boss.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2019 9:46 PM  

Hey yo bitches.

Batten down the hatches, lash your hysterical selves to the masts, and ride until you can see clearly.

Blogger Cassie February 15, 2019 9:47 PM  

My husband has been reading the text of the law. Here is a portion of it that relates to immigration:

Sec. 224. (a) None of the funds provided by this Act or any other
Act, or provided from any accounts in the Treasury of the United States
derived by the collection of fees available to the components funded by
this Act, may be used by the Secretary of Homeland Security to place in
detention, remove, refer for a decision whether to initiate removal
proceedings, or initiate removal proceedings against a sponsor,
potential sponsor, or member of a household of a sponsor or potential
sponsor of an unaccompanied alien child (as defined in section 462(g)
of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 279(g))) based on
information shared by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
(b) Subsection (a) shall not apply if a background check of a
sponsor, potential sponsor, or member of a household of a sponsor or
potential sponsor reveals--
(1) a felony conviction or pending felony charge that relates
to--
(A) an aggravated felony (as defined in section 101(a)(43)
of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(43)));
(B) child abuse;
(C) sexual violence or abuse; or
(D) child pornography;
(2) an association with any business that employs a minor who--
(A) is unrelated to the sponsor, potential sponsor, or
member of a household of a sponsor or potential sponsor; and
(B) is--
(i) not paid a legal wage; or
(ii) unable to attend school due to the employment; or
(3) an association with the organization or implementation of
prostitution.

Blogger Cassie February 15, 2019 9:48 PM  

And here is the portion relating to building the wall:

Sec. 232. (a) Prior to use of any funds made available by this Act
for the construction of physical barriers within the city limits of any
city or census designated place described in subsection (c), the
Department of Homeland Security and the local elected officials of such
a city or census designated place shall confer and seek to reach mutual
agreement regarding the design and alignment of physical barriers
within that city or the census designated place (as the case may be).
Such consultations shall continue until September 30, 2019 (or until
agreement is reached, if earlier) and may be extended beyond that date
by agreement of the parties, and no funds made available in this Act
shall be used for such construction while consultations are continuing.
(b) Not later than July 1, 2019, the Secretary shall issue notices
for public comment regarding construction of pedestrian fencing in the
places identified in subsection (c). The notices shall afford the
public not less than 60 days to submit comments on the location of
proposed fencing in the affected areas. Not later than 90 days
following the end of the comment period identified in this subsection,
the Department shall publish in the Federal Register its responses to
the comments received along with its plans for construction in the
areas identified in the notice to which it is responding.
(c) The cities and census designated place described in this
subsection are as follows:
(1) Roma, Texas.
(2) Rio Grande City, Texas.
(3) Escobares, Texas.
(4) La Grulla, Texas.
(5) The census designated place of Salineno, Texas.

Blogger GK Chesterton February 15, 2019 9:49 PM  

She's doing the right thing and calling her "man" into account. And she's always been like that. And she's fun.

Blogger Mag Stuart February 15, 2019 9:51 PM  

At the end of the day, Trump is a Boomer leftist. The fact that his leftism is tempered by the absence of hatred for America and Americans is sufficient to put him at the right wing fringes of the political class in 2019. His advisors are almost all leftists. He has to pursue his agenda through bureaucrats who are a combination of left wing, corrupt and incompetent when they aren't openly treasonous. Then there is his active and open opposition - traitors and foreigners in Congress and the media. Given these realities, I don't think anyone can fault Trump for not accomplishing much.

There was too much optimism after the election and the right became too focused on reforming the existing system. I will judge Trump's performance based on whether he helps get us to a place where America's evil institutions are burnt to the ground and something new can be rebuilt (or at least to the point where the US is crippled to such an extent that it no longer contaminates the rest of the world). By that standard, he has been a success.

TLDR: we aren't voting our way out of this.

Blogger Solon February 15, 2019 9:52 PM  

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Blogger cyrus83 February 15, 2019 9:53 PM  

The reality is Congress had the votes to override it, as it passed the House 300-128 and the Senate 83-16. It does no good for Trump to virtue signal by vetoing something he can't stop, so declaring the emergency and getting on with it is a better move than vetoing and asking Congress to try again, because they weren't ever giving him the wall.

Blogger Innamorato February 15, 2019 9:58 PM  

President Trump has already signed the disaster bill:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-signed-h-j-res-31-law/

Blogger Robert What? February 15, 2019 9:59 PM  

This administration started with such promise, but it seems to have devolved into farce.

Blogger Solon February 15, 2019 10:01 PM  

@cyrus83

It isn't virtue signalling to take a stand against something that you know is crap. If I were president and I thought some bill was crap, I'd veto it EVEN IF Congress would just pass it again. It's not virtue signalling, it's principles.

Thus, there's two possibilities here: either Trump cucked, or the bill isn't that bad. If he cucked, well, we weren't voting our way out of this mess anyway, and if he didn't, we're freaking out over a nothing burger.

It's been, what, twelve hours since this thing was even making it's way through the news?

Not so long ago, doctors used to diagnose what we're seeing now as "hysteria" and the prescription was a good hard slap across the face.

Get it together, boys and girls. Get a friend to slap you across the face, or do it yourself, but save your emotional outbursts.

We're in a war, don'cha know.

Blogger Weak February 15, 2019 10:01 PM  

That is an excellent point Cyrus. This bill is veto proof. And the optics of a Trump veto don't matter. The only thing that matters is if the wall is built or not. If there is no wall, then congratulations President Kamala Harris in 2020.

Blogger wahr01 February 15, 2019 10:06 PM  

Even after I linked the article debunking this shilling around "section 232", they're still shilling it.
Amazing.

Blogger JimR February 15, 2019 10:07 PM  

"Prior to use of any funds made available by this Act ..."

Like I said, has no effect on funding from other sources.

Blogger Lance E February 15, 2019 10:09 PM  

> It does no good for Trump to virtue signal by vetoing something he can't stop

Says who? By that twisted logic, Trump shouldn't attempt any reforms because either Congress or the courts will stop it.

It's not a virtue signal. Vetoing garbage amnesty bills like this at least lets people know whose side he's on and forces our most determined enemies to out themselves.

Doing victory laps over a participation trophy is called posturing, and it's what losers do.

Blogger FUBARwest February 15, 2019 10:13 PM  

"Even after I linked the article debunking this shilling around "section 232", they're still shilling it.
Amazing."

Yeah... eye opening. Times like these are when you learn which names to trust.

Blogger Solon February 15, 2019 10:13 PM  

The optics of a Trump veto matter to his base. He keeps trying to fight for some mythical "centrists" that don't exist anymore, not in any sense that matters anyway. A veto here would signal to his base that he hasn't abandoned them.

So he's either abandoned his base in favor of fighting for the nonexistent center, or the bill isn't that bad/can be lawyered into uselessness.

Support him, or don't, but don't go on about "useless vetoes," that's cuckservative talk, that's loser talk, that's what got us here in the first place: not taking a stand and fighting for what you believe in.

For my part, I will NEVER vote for Kamala Harris, even if demographics guarantee her the win. That's MY veto power. That's MY principles in action.

It's not in me to roll over and accept defeat, even if it's inevitable, because I refuse to be part of Nietsche's "slave/master" morality system.

I'm no cuckservative. I'm going down fighting to the bloody end. You're welcome to cuck out yourself, but there ain't no seats in Valhalla for those without the will to fight. (Incoming drive-by troll from MidnightSun in 3...2...1..)

Blogger AdognamedOp February 15, 2019 10:20 PM  

Ot, but that French nigga was talking shit about you tonight on his LS. It was actually funny how he sped up your stream and used MS paint to address it. No wonder he's a retard rapist.

Blogger Some Guy February 15, 2019 10:31 PM  

Ann has to sell the next book. She does this regularly.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 15, 2019 10:34 PM  

She's doing the right thing and calling her "man" into account. And she's always been like that. And she's fun.
I'm old enough to remember when Ann openly supported Romney
And had the nerve to say Clinton was better than McCain.
Is if there was a lesser of two evils in that situation.

Blogger Lazarus February 15, 2019 10:42 PM  

Bane thought Anne was Primo

We will never know how he would react now.

I would think he would be conflicted.

Thank the Lord he is dead, so he doesn't feel the pain.

Blogger mgh February 15, 2019 10:42 PM  

Amazing how many Chicken Littles there are on our side. Even if after 48 hours we all agree this was bad, it is but one battle in the war, and out general is winning more battles than he is losing.

Ann has tried to peel many of us away from Trump so often that I now suspect she is being fed cash to be controlled opposition.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 15, 2019 10:53 PM  

Hasn't he already signed the bill?

The black-pillers really, really, really want us to think he's signed the bill, so they've been acting like he already since even before the Senate passed it. Their desperation makes me think he might not have, or that there's more to it.

Amazing how many Chicken Littles there are on our side.

I no longer wonder why we lose.

Blogger Stilicho February 15, 2019 11:03 PM  

Sec. 224. (a) None of the funds provided by this Act or any other
Act,
(ok, the "or any other Act" language is broad... and bad)

or provided from any accounts in the Treasury of the United States
derived by the collection of fees available to the components funded by
this Act,
(what fees and what "components" funded by this act? Depending on definitions, this could go either way)

may be used by the Secretary of Homeland Security to place in
detention, remove, refer for a decision whether to initiate removal
proceedings, or initiate removal proceedings against a sponsor,
potential sponsor, or member of a household of a sponsor or potential
sponsor of an unaccompanied alien child (as defined in section 462(g)
of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 279(g)))
(ok, simply bad standing alone and this is the source of amnesty talk)

based on
information shared by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

(ha! This is the heart of the matter, any amnesty is limited to those would-be sponsors whose illegal status is discovered by applying to be a sponsor with the secretary of HHS. If ICE learns by other means-deport them. If funds not limited by the early provisions aren't used-depprt them. This is a very narrow path for illegals trying to sponsor an unaccompanied minor to tread.).

A big Meh-burger.

Likewise the limited areas where consultations must occur through September. Use other funds for those areas if needed right away, let street theater commence in others, and build the damned wall via the national emergency declaration or outside it (i.e. It isn't really neede to defend border).

In other words, Trump is free to build the wall.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 15, 2019 11:12 PM  

This bill is veto proof.

That's the interesting thing here to me. They haven't been able to get anywhere near that level before. He was able to keep the Republicans from defecting on things like Kavanaugh and the tax bill, even when there was enormous media and donor pressure on them. And up until a couple days ago, Congress was still having trouble assembling an effective opposition. But suddenly they can get 80% together to pass a terrible, no-good bill that undoes or blocks everything he's been trying to do? What changed? Did the positive response he got from his SOTU scare them into ganging up on him before he could build more popularity? A veto-proof majority could be an impeachment-level majority, so is this a threat, to show they could take him out if they're backed into a corner?

Blogger CoolHand February 15, 2019 11:14 PM  

He signed it, the WH put out a statement this afternoon saying as much, I've read it myself.

That said, having read the actual bill and not just taking the word of fools on twatter about it, I'm much less wound up than I was this morning.

Then I read the DHS release and was somewhat more reassured.

Then I read Trump's signing statement and I smiled real big.

See, he's taken a page right out of old JugEar's playbook and used the signing statement to layout his "understanding" of the law as presented and his intent as to it's enforcement.

Go read it, the thing's a hoot. He basically said that he'll do what existing law and the constitution allow the executive to do, and ignore any and all overreach that congress has attempted here. That means ignoring the "extreme oversight" clauses, the "directed spending" clauses, the "legislative usurpation of executive prerogative" clauses, the "coordinate and seek agreement from local authorities" clauses, etc.

He told 'em he's taking the money and doing whatever the hell he wants with it, regardless of what they say or do, just like Obama did to the GOPe house for six years.

Sauce for the goose being good for the gander and all that.

So slow your roll, take the noose down from the rafters in your garage, and enjoy the show.

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson February 15, 2019 11:14 PM  

The black pilling on this is bill is freaking ridiculous. I read that CuxNews link and there's really nothing particularly bad about the supposed poison pill parts of the bill. They are kind of annoying but hardly a major defeat. Also from reading the actual text of the so-called poison pill portions, you can see that they aren't going to be a huge problem and they might even end up being slightly beneficial because it gives trafficed kids extra incentive to rat on their exploiters.

It looks like the delay in signing this bill was President Trump having his few supporters go over the bill with a fine toothed comb.

The good news is that President Trump can go ahead and spend some money getting this wall started and then he can come back for more money in 6 months.

I'm not going to lie, I really don't see the defeat here. I hate to say it but the people who are still going to be heavily black-pilled on this bill after a few days and all the facts get out are being intentionally disingenuous. I wonder how many of the professional black-pillers are feds, CIA Operation Paper Clip types or just paid leftists LARPing as "hard core conservatives who see through the lies" etc.

Blogger Fozzy Bear February 15, 2019 11:17 PM  

@Stilicho Notice that every website that quotes section 224 cuts it off mid-sentence in paragraph a, even falsely adding a period. Charitably it is simply because none of the reporters understand the HHS reference. Realistically it is because they are trying to demoralize us.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool February 15, 2019 11:25 PM  

Coulter has already spoken to his motivation, folks like Cernovich agree. Trump never gave two shits about building a wall, it was a piece of rhetoric to appeal to the mid western white working class. However he's concerned about the optics so he's signed a bill that explicitly rules out executive action on this issue and at the same time declared an emergency that he knows will be overruled by SCOTUS for the precise reasoning that he's signed away his authority to act. In other words he's cucked out and is now engaged in a gay op to divert attention from his cuckery.

Now that's the assertion, it's wrong, but that's what Coulter is going ape shit over. If this is Trump's brilliant plan then he's gone and fucked himself. In short order people will see through it and the main protection he has against the deep state, his voting base, will desert him. I can't imagine Trump being dumb enough to run something like this, let alone unprincipled.

Blogger wreckage February 15, 2019 11:26 PM  

Why would Trump go this far and then suddenly poop his sheets? When has he ever done that before?

Look, if you wanted a border fence made out of writhing, impaled, dying and crucified illegals you're going to be disappointed. But Trump will get his wall, and that alone will yank the guts out of the open border movement.

That's why they've fought with everything, absolutely everything, they have. It's been unprecedented. This is literally everything they've got, and in fact some of it got out of control and scared them.

They're over-committed and have far more dirt on their hands than they were ever comfortable with; and worse, they begin to suspect Trump will take measured legal revenge for every one of "his" they've blatantly, openly abused.

Things aren't going perfectly, but they're going better than anyone had any right to expect.

Blogger Kristophr February 15, 2019 11:27 PM  

Trump will build the wall. He will find the funding.

Maybe we can start a "Build it now!" subscription fund?

Blogger Kristophr February 15, 2019 11:28 PM  

OIh, and the Texas legislature is kicking around the notion of State funding for their own wall on the Mex border.

Blogger wreckage February 15, 2019 11:28 PM  

As for Trump not wanting the wall, of course he wants it. His entire strategy is based on redressing and reversing the collapse of labour demand in the USA, and he can't do that if he can't control the border.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 15, 2019 11:34 PM  

Why would Trump go this far and then suddenly poop his sheets? When has he ever done that before?

The black-pillers always push it so far that you realize it just makes no sense. If they claimed he miscalculated and made a mistake that would be exploited down the road, that would be plausible. But they go all the way to "OMG he just knowingly threw away everything he fought for and destroyed America and killed his chances in 2020 and legalized puppy-strangling!!1!"

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 15, 2019 11:34 PM  

Trust.

The.

God.

Emperor.

Blogger Jack Ward February 15, 2019 11:37 PM  

Whatever happens the GE is all we've got short of armed rebellion. Personally, I'm not ready for rebellion just yet. He's what we have so what choice, other than the extreme, do we have?
I say the 'wait two days thing' needs some modification. Wait a month; wait until 2020. I will predict that if Kamela is elected we will have Civil War 2.0 within a month or two. Max.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 15, 2019 11:44 PM  

Someone has already gotten fitted for Space Marine power armor.

Blogger lowercaseb February 15, 2019 11:54 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Trust.

The.

God.

Emperor.


This needs to be on a banner...unfurled from the top of the Salesforce tower in San Francisco. It would cause mass panic and suicides...and bring my rent down to a reasonable size again.

Blogger Stilicho February 15, 2019 11:54 PM  

@fozzy bear yep. This bill provides some talking points for the Dems to try to claim a victory for their base, but the smarter ones will soon figure out that it gives them next to nothing and start demanding scalps of all the Dems who voted for it. Watch how fast the Dem presidential candidates condemn it.

All that is left is for Trump to start building the Wall.

Blogger EIA February 15, 2019 11:56 PM  

Re: #56 @CoolHand - his signing statement:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-by-the-president-28/
See also the Q drop on the DHS not-PP statement:
https://qmap.pub/read/2737
And other interesting voices, like:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1096166627559833602.html
Nah, I am comfy.

Blogger Rhys February 15, 2019 11:59 PM  

In wartime, any actions that are beneficial to the enemy must be considered an extension of the enemy.

#bulletsforblackpillers

Blogger Stilicho February 16, 2019 12:01 AM  

It takes balls to build walls

Blogger David Ray Milton February 16, 2019 12:08 AM  

You’re not. I like Coulter’s books, but unfortunately like most of her gender she is ultimately an attention whore. She speaks from a place of authority that she doesn’t have and when she criticizes Trump she is usually wrong in her predictions.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 16, 2019 12:20 AM  

Jack, we are definitely waiting for '20. In the mean time, we can yell and fuss and hold Trump's feet to the fire. Pressure from us is pressure he can apply to the GOPe.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 16, 2019 12:29 AM  

EIA spreads good content

Blogger Retrenched February 16, 2019 12:50 AM  

The bill Trump signed apparently gives local mayors (the vast majority of whom would be Democrats) the ability to veto any wall building in their areas. So does Trump's emergency rule supersede the bill he just signed?

If not, he should build the wall on the red counties closest to the border, and give everything south of there to Mexico.

Blogger Johnny February 16, 2019 12:57 AM  

For a bill of this sort to get such a big majority in both House and Senate, there has to be something going on in the background. And the something is that the Republicans had to have folded as a party. Otherwise the RINO's would let it pass, but barely. Pretend opposition.

I don't know. Maybe the plan is to create a real mess at the border.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 16, 2019 1:03 AM  

Geez, Coulter was backing Chris Christie for the 2016 run up. Who gives a flip about her useless opinions? Coulter probably gets the screaming thigh sweats like AOC does when anyone mentions that Trump said something about them. Chill out.

Blogger Deep Thought February 16, 2019 1:07 AM  

Coulter is wrong. Bat sh*t crazy.

On the other hand. Trump looked weak and indecisive in his WH announcement.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 16, 2019 1:08 AM  

Coulter is doing what she was asked to do.

Blogger Akuma February 16, 2019 1:08 AM  

Its gotten so bad that I was approached by public safety tonight at the college I access the internet from. Apparently my MAGA Hat, Viking Books, and listening to the Darkstream frightened some THOTs. May God help us all! Deus Vult as well!

Blogger wreckage February 16, 2019 1:12 AM  

@76
"The bill Trump signed apparently gives local mayors (the vast majority of whom would be Democrats) the ability to veto any wall building in their areas."

No, it actually does not. It merely requires that they be included in the consultation process.... not the approval process. In other words Trump will have to tell them he's building a wall when he builds a wall. That's it. Ende. Fin.

Blogger CoolHand February 16, 2019 1:12 AM  

@76 "apparently". . . SMDH.

If you actually read the bill, the locals do NOT have a veto over anything, DHS is supposed to "confer and seek to reach mutual agreement" with the locals (which they already do, as a courtesy), but is in no way obligated to defer to their demands.

DHS is perfectly able to "confer" with the locals and then do whatever the hell they please, and there's not a damned thing the locals can do about it because of this bill that they could not already do (IE sue).

Blogger Mar Go February 16, 2019 1:16 AM  

This bill is essentially a status quo bill. Nothing major will happen. I think a large part of the Trump white working class base is angry though because deep down they hoped Trump would just burn it (DC) all down.

Blogger wahr01 February 16, 2019 1:34 AM  

LOTS of new shills pushing the same messages that have been debunked by Trump's DHS analysis already.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 1:45 AM  

The woman is pushing 60, single, no kids. Of course she's a spiraling lunatic over the Valentine's weekend.

Blogger bobby February 16, 2019 1:59 AM  

Damelon Brinn February 15, 2019 11:12 PM

"But suddenly they can get 80% together to pass a terrible, no-good bill that undoes or blocks everything he's been trying to do? What changed?"


He gave them his blessing to vote for it. He saw his path, knew the vote and the bill would be compatible with his path, and is taking that path.

Might have to wait for a few more days than just two, but this is going to work out. Dems got rolled.

Blogger wreckage February 16, 2019 2:04 AM  

@87 you have to let your enemy withdraw. My bet is Trump gave them room to save face and to scream "WE WUZ TRICKED! OHNOES!" later on. Expect a lot of posturing along the lines of "This wasn't the DEEEEEEAL! (but really we both know it was.)" over the next 6 months, from the Dems, while Trump grinds ahead getting sh** done at leisure.

Blogger Thanks, J. February 16, 2019 2:23 AM  

I have been waiting. OK I will wait some more. But I note that we have been told to wait so many times I cant remember now many times. Eventually, 2020 will come and the election. Can't wait!

Blogger Thanks, J. February 16, 2019 2:24 AM  

I have been waiting. OK I will wait some more. But I note that we have been told to wait so many times I cant remember now many times. Eventually, 2020 will come and the election. Can't wait!

Blogger Akulkis February 16, 2019 2:25 AM  

Remember also -- during the shutdown, WHO was complaining, Republicans and their constituents, or Democrats and their constituents.

It's obvious that Chuck and Nancy feared a shutdown far more than Trump and turtle McConnell.

Odds are, Chuck and Nancy blinked first.

Blogger MJimmy February 16, 2019 2:31 AM  

My money is on the Christian type Q folks, e.g. Blessed to Teach, Craig Mason, X22Report et al. Grimly realistic, ultimately white pilled.

Blogger Matamoros February 16, 2019 3:02 AM  

Anyone have a good link to play Trump's video he posted at: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1096485376087097344

Blogger wahr01 February 16, 2019 3:03 AM  

Akulkis wrote:Remember also -- during the shutdown, WHO was complaining, Republicans and their constituents, or Democrats and their constituents.

It's obvious that Chuck and Nancy feared a shutdown far more than Trump and turtle McConnell.


Trump is using the "art of war"

Appear strong when you are weak, and weak when you are strong.

He's sneaking away with his fiscal victory.

That said, we'll know the GOP is fighting back on the same level as Democrats have been when GOP presidents quietly withdraw all protections from coastal blue cities and make "tours" of islamic terror states the same way Obama did with the borders and Latin America.

Blogger Matamoros February 16, 2019 3:04 AM  

As Jim Stone wrote:

Trump did NOT cave. He had to sign the bill because the Republicans sold him out and passed it above the threshold where he could veto it.

Also, Breitbart reported that Trump signed the bill hours AFTER declaring a national emergency, which nulls all the crap. Trump Wins!

Here's Rush on what's going on: https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/02/15/the-deep-state-message-in-the-budget-deal/

Blogger Matamoros February 16, 2019 3:10 AM  

Actually I'm starting to wonder if Ann Coulter isn't an agent provocateur.

She rants about Trump over things he doesn't control. She criticizes him when he is getting things done while overcoming the massive opposition in spite of no one else ever getting it done.

Either she is deranged (is it true she's a lesbian?) or a provocateur? Jury is out.

Blogger wahr01 February 16, 2019 3:13 AM  

@96

She has "battered conservative syndrome"

She's been stabbed in the back so many times by cuck candidates she is over-sensitive to even the POSSIBILITY of cucking.

It's good for holding feet to fire, but back-fires when they deliver with imperfect optics.

Blogger CoolHand February 16, 2019 3:32 AM  

Matamoros wrote:(is it true she's a lesbian?)

If you'd seen as much east coast Democrat dick as she has, you'd be crazy and a lesbian too.

I've never understood how anyone can take her seriously once they find out the kind of men she sleeps with.

Blogger AdognamedOp February 16, 2019 3:51 AM  

I wanna see Ann dancing on a rooftop.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 16, 2019 3:55 AM  

@95 Trump can veto any bill no matter how many votes it got. All that would mean is that a 2/3 vote could override his veto, but congress would actually have to vote on the thing again. Now, it might not look good for him to have a veto overriden, but he could still veto it.

Blogger birdman February 16, 2019 4:15 AM  

Lol valhalla, so there's a real valhalla?

Blogger Catchthefox February 16, 2019 4:16 AM  

You people will never be satisfied. There's no "victory after victory" for you, no long march. You're all perfect snowflakes and If things don't go exactly as you think they should you abandon ship. One hundred milion fucking """intellectuals""" and no sucker following orders. Then you watch in wonder and ask yourself "How was it possible that THEY won again?". It was possible because you betrayed your cause; That's How.
Enjoy the FEMA camps.

Blogger artensoll February 16, 2019 4:32 AM  

@80 Doktor Jeep "Coulter is doing what she was asked to do."

As an interested outsider with no dog in this fight, I have had this impression of her for a while. She goes waaaay over the top and GE's base calms itself down by explaining this to each other. She's like an emotional release valve.

Blogger Gettimothy February 16, 2019 4:43 AM  

Did Sun Tzu council keeping your own side guessing ?

Blogger jijijeac February 16, 2019 4:43 AM  

Trump is a globalist snake just as I have predicted him to be from day 1. You have to be a complete and utter moron not to notice that in the first 2 years in office he has done 0 regarding his number 1 topic: immigration. No ending of chain migration, no ending of the visa lottery, no ending of birthright citizenship, no mass deportation of illegals, all of which were core campaign promises that were not mentioned again after the election was over. Instead we get him offering DACA amnesty about 5 times now plus more H1B1 visas. THe guy is just a stereotypical low tax globalist who sometimes tweets nationalist tweets.You have to be insane not to notice that his actions are 100% low tax globalism.

Things such as ending visa lottery(an irrational policy only applied in the usa with 0 popular support) could have been ended by executive order in the first week of coming to office. yet the policies are still in place two years afterwards.

An EO to end visa lottery could have been given in the first 7 days of him coming to office. But alas he did nothin of the sort.

What he did was put his signature on some generic low tax bills already created by the republicans such as the tax bill and the 2 generic supreme court appointees none of which have anything to do with him. It could have been jeb bush or marco rubio in power we would have gotten the same tax bill and the same supreme court appointees.

If you haven't realized by now that trump doesn't plan to keep any of his immigration policies you are a brain dead moron who deserves every illegal alien coming your way.

2 years have been enough for Trump to do something about immigration. Not a single EO has been given in regards to imigration yet we have EO to pardon the sheriff from arizona and dinesh desouza. For me personally I feel no pity over the maga hat idiots attacked by the antifas. they are virtually the same when in comes to globalism.
this entire low tax globalist vs high tax globalist good cop/bad cop game is quite obvious. Anyone standing by Trump is simply supporting low tax globalism. Nothing more nothing else.
What the Trump presidency has made it obviously clear is that to get rid of globalism Democratic elections are not enough.

I am waiting any day now for a Trump speech calling people who who oppose illegal aliens and mass H1B1 visa holders racist. It would be quite reminiscent of another low tax globalist usa president Ronald Reagan, aka Donnie's role model. His pet social policy during the ellections was abortion. Yet when he was governor of california he legalized abortion and argued that after consulting with a high number of christian leaders he could not find anyone who told him that abortion is unchristian!!! I expect a similar speech from low tax globalist Donnie coming very soon.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club February 16, 2019 4:44 AM  

Ann is the original conservathot. She's right about as often as our "intelligence community" is.

Blogger jijijeac February 16, 2019 5:04 AM  

@104

Neah he advocated breaking all of your promises to your own side because that will be forgotten since u sometimes use strong language in the public arena. MAGA 4d art of war chess in a nutshell

Blogger wreckage February 16, 2019 5:10 AM  

@104 actually, yes.

@105 well, now we've gotten the illiterate doombot confirmation. No right-wing victory is assured until it has been decried as a total, universal, cosmic defeat by an illiterate doombot.

So now we know. Trump has won; the wall is going up; we are ascendant.

Blogger Gettimothy February 16, 2019 5:14 AM  

@108 thx. The Art of War includes keeping your own side from turning on you while you keep them alternating between despair and elation.

Blogger Gettimothy February 16, 2019 5:19 AM  

It is a happy thought that the most Nationalist president since Kennedy is devoid of the Burkean pretense.

#AttackGeorgeWillWithWillisms

Blogger Duke Nukem February 16, 2019 5:53 AM  

This idiot needs to be impeached before he does any more damage. God Emperor my ass, more like Amnesty Emperor.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 16, 2019 5:57 AM  

@Vox

I can see why you didn't want to turn the comments back on.

Blogger Innamorato February 16, 2019 6:06 AM  

Trump just wants a deal no matter the concession. Deal and Chill. Nothing else makes sense.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 16, 2019 6:24 AM  

In the mid 1960's the WW2 generation was in charge and gave us the now infamous emigration bill and a vast welfare state. Immigrants, legal and illegal, came in droves.

In the 80s the WW2ers, Boomers and Reagan gave us amnesty for the illegals here in a "compromise" with the left-wing. We were promised that the problems was SOLVED. There would be no more illegal immigration.

in 2019 we have a president, best since Reagan, who looks to have compromised with the left-wing. We will see how that works out.

-----

I was at a school Mass last Thursday where the Marxist priest did a Homily about how all the people who want to come here are our "brothers and sisters". "Why would we want to keep out poor women with their children who just want a place to be safe????"

I sat wondering why God has gates around Heaven and not all are welcome there. As I understand it, the majority of people are probably not going to be welcomed inside and no one will be able to "scale the wall".

On the other hand, this particular priest thinks that "we" will have to build a paradise on earth first and then Jesus will come again. I call that Satanic. (yes, I am a heretic)

Blogger Dire Badger February 16, 2019 6:24 AM  

Gettimothy wrote:Did Sun Tzu council keeping your own side guessing ?

Well, when your own side is stabbing you in the back, you cannot reassure your loyal subjects without also breaking operational security to the traitors.

Blogger Dave February 16, 2019 6:42 AM  

Matamoros wrote:Anyone have a good link to play Trump's video he posted at: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1096485376087097344



https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1096643049394982916

Blogger DJT February 16, 2019 6:49 AM  

The reality is Congress had the votes to override it, as it passed the House 300-128 and the Senate 83-16.

I don't believe many Republicans would have gone directly against the most popular Republican president in decades. I believe an override would have failed.

But if not, at least Trump's hands would be clean and Ann Coulter would be happy.

Vetoing was win-win for Trump.

Blogger DJT February 16, 2019 6:54 AM  

Even after I linked the article debunking this shilling around "section 232", they're still shilling it.

Trusting a single unnamed DHS official who works for (((Neilson))) over everybody on our side?

Blogger DJT February 16, 2019 7:07 AM  

Do you know why the ascendent minorities get everything they want? Because they chimp out when they don't get it.

To quote Howard Beale, our side has to get mad. Getting mad is not blackpilling, so let's stop the shilling against everyone who holds Trump's feet to the fire. He is not ideologically 100% "our guy" so he does not deserve blind trust.

Even if this bill is not the disaster that most believe, it's still bad. I called Congress and the White House many times over this week, and I always got right through. The lines weren't jammed. On Twitter, Trump's tweets were not getting ratioed.

The only way to get what we want is to put the fear of God into politicians that they will lose if they don't. Coping and plan-trusting does not accomplish that. Trust him if you want, but be loud anyway.

He is under immense pressure and will only listen to us if we drown out (((Jared))).

Blogger The Cooler February 16, 2019 7:20 AM  

Ann is defending her archetype, her ideal. Too much of which she's projected onto Trump. She's looked far and wide for her Alpha; he's nowhere to be found.

In another life, she'd have made a fine courtesan.

Blogger Innamorato February 16, 2019 7:36 AM  

It’s foolish to think Trump the reality TV star could have ever accomplished more than he has and lived to tell about it. Revolution comes only to those who fight for it at the grassroots level.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2019 7:57 AM  

"Someone has already gotten fitted for Space Marine power armor."

Commissar Edition.

"Did Sun Tzu council keeping your own side guessing ?"

Yes.

"Trusting a single unnamed DHS official who works for (((Neilson))) over everybody on (((our))) side?"

FIFY. And yes, you pansy.

"Coping and plan-trusting does not accomplish that."

See, there's a difference between feet to the fire in good faith, and fire to the feet in bad faith. You look like the second one.

Blogger jijijeac February 16, 2019 8:17 AM  

@108

yes who can not enjoy the major right wings victories of the past:
Reagan: amnesty for illegal latinos, first black supreme court justice, complete criticism of antisemitism and racism, legalisation of abortion on both state and federal level, involvement with the overthrow of the legitimate white south african government, involvement with overthrowing the government of iran

bush junior: 2 wars+monitoring of white groups

during obama: republican appointed scj flips and makes gay marriage law of the land

trump: promised to end visa lottery, chain migration, kick out illegals, build wall, so far has increased the number of H1b1 visa holders, is beating the war drums with iran and has proposed mass amnesty for dreamers while not doing anything about his other immigration promises

all throughout the above mentioned presidencies: planned parenthood increases in funding and resources

but i am not surprised about the fact that every low tax globalist president from einsenhower to trump has had a steady stream of globalist fanatics who cataloged everything they did as "patriotic" and "american" and "what is right for the country". just as Reagan was continuing to be a symbol of conservativism while legalizing abortion so does Trump continue to be a symbol of antiglobalism and "patriotism" while invading the usa with more latinos, H1B1s and trying his hardest to involve himself in iran and venezuela. But just as his predecessors his stream of fanatics are still here defending the lump of human cells known as Trump until the very end because that is what they do. after trump finishes his second term they would have moved on to the next low tax globaliat mesiah who will definetly save the usa from the evil clutches of "communism" by bringing in more hordes of nonwhite foreigners.

Blogger EIA February 16, 2019 8:29 AM  

People talk about events in isolation, as if there is nothing else going on. But consider these recent Q drops:

https://qmap.pub/read/2731
https://qmap.pub/read/2728
https://qmap.pub/read/2724
https://qmap.pub/read/2718

There are many months to go in the excruciatingly slow roll-out of the Plan before we get to vote on the results. The border fight is only part of the picture, and the events seen a partial manifestation of hidden forces. See also these folks who were banned from twitter for making too much sense:

https://quodverum.com/2019/02/40/how-trump-will-win-everything.html
https://quodverum.com/2019/02/45/shadow-warriors-how-trump-s-praetorian-is-saving-the-republic.html

Blogger FUBARwest February 16, 2019 8:51 AM  

"Even if this bill is not the disaster that most believe, it's still bad."

When you have to retreat to statements like this it's better to calm down and reassess. Not sure how this bill is bad considering the bad parts of it that were circulating are not actually there.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 16, 2019 8:54 AM  

What was accomplished by waiting till Friday to declare the National Emergency and thn signing the omnibus budget bill?

Is not Congress going into a break in about week's time? Why not delay signing the budget bill, pocket veto and let Congress override? In the meantime, expose all th billions of pork fundngs and benefits to foreign nations.

We will see what happnens by the 2020 election ccle.

Blogger Aaron B. February 16, 2019 9:00 AM  

If you're not sure what to think, just look at the names claiming this is a betrayal. How many of them are new? Why do you suppose they're showing up all of a sudden?

Blogger FUBARwest February 16, 2019 9:12 AM  

"What was accomplished by waiting till Friday to declare the National Emergency and thn signing the omnibus budget bill?

Is not Congress going into a break in about week's time? Why not delay signing the budget bill, pocket veto and let Congress override? In the meantime, expose all th billions of pork fundngs and benefits to foreign nations."

The 15th was the deadline for a spending bill otherwise the government shutdown again. Take into account the amazing month the GE has had and take into account the Senate and the House voted for it in Veto override numbers and it would have looked very very badly on Trump if he did not sign it and caused the government to shutdown when his own party supports this bill.

His entire strategy this year has been to make him and his party look reasonable and sensible while the dems are being controlled by a small "radical left" segment of the population. It's difficult to maintain that narrative if he caused the shutdown again.

Blogger Calvin809 February 16, 2019 9:16 AM  

Everyone on the right is used to their leaders being cucks so it's understandable that some think Trump will too. It's going to take a while to get a wall built logistically and construction wise. The question is how much time do we give Trump before we know it's all just political theater instead of real action.

Blogger Trebor Nosemaj February 16, 2019 9:24 AM  

Nobody fighting the public battle on the right is doing it perfectly, the sheer amount of skills and qualities needed at ridiculously high levels to manoeuvre the left's cultural and institutional control would be off the charts & It's impossible do be that public figure without the armour provided by being an attention whore. Nobody on the left is giving right wing figures attention because of their great reasoning critiques. I despise Coulter's past promotion of NeoCon Republican agendas, but she's at least amplifying a few core & vital viewpoints. At least It's not Shapiro level. Apart from Tucker, who else is there consistently pushing talking points that are anywhere near Alt-right positions. As imperfect as she might be, it would be crazy to shoot down someone who isn't an enemy in the camp. People like Shapiro on the other hand should be (metaphorically of course) because his end goal is to side with Neocons and Israel at the expense of USA wishes.

Blogger jijijeac February 16, 2019 9:40 AM  

"His entire strategy this year has been to make him and his party look reasonable and sensible while the dems are being controlled by a small "radical left" segment of the population. It's difficult to maintain that narrative if he caused the shutdown again."

Damn that's exactly why people voted for Trump in the first place: to look reasonable compared to the Dems by giving the globalists whatever they want. aka maintain the current globalist status quo at all costs lol. I prob agree with u that if u give in to globalists they will cause u less trouble but that wasn't the point of electing Trump in the first place was it?

" It's going to take a while to get a wall built logistically and construction wise."

what about cancelling the visa lottery program through EO. Why wasn't that done in the first 1 week of Trump taking office? Doesn't take more than 10 seconds to sign an executive order.

Blogger Timmy3 February 16, 2019 10:33 AM  

There’s no talk about the Continuing Resolution so of course, it seems likely that he signed it. The bill is Open Borders. No president can overcome its poison pill laws.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 10:48 AM  

I have a hunch something is going on behind the scenes and that black pillars are being issued a final warning.

Others upthread have noted that strategic deception guards against traitors on one's own side. Black pills have no tactical advantage and instead confer a tactical disadvantage. If the first posters in a given thread are black pilling en masse they will influence others like them to follow suit and the conversational landscape becomes narrow and shallow like a dried-up, slow river unless moderation is in effect. I'm glad to see the black pillars razed ITT so more eagle-eyed commenters can weigh in. Kudos to those who give no quarter and to those who course corrected away from black pills.

Nate also explained yesterday on another Wall post that black pillars are a security threat. These people may not even know they are causing a security problem by role modeling behavior that is close to counseling others to commit a felony. They're still dangerous of course even if they don't comment because a person who doesn't guard themselves is dangerous. How could they be expected to guard others with a systemic failure to protect the self from nihilism?

Does it occur to Henny Penny black pillars in this thread that this is playing out on this blog for several days? Just the other day comments were turned off, which should have been enough warning itself against anti-morale behaviour. Apparently not.

If warning against morale deflation wasn't enough then there was warning against tarnishing one's reputation and refusing to address real-time reputation loss. Torin, Coulter, JBP serve as examples. Coulter still has a 17-hour old tweet about Kushner up. No doubt she's nursing a bad hangover from last evening's spiral.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 16, 2019 10:57 AM  

@128
Ok. Why not have the Emergency declaration last Monday noon and signed the budget on Saturday 5am?

Blogger FUBARwest February 16, 2019 11:22 AM  

"Ok. Why not have the Emergency declaration last Monday noon and signed the budget on Saturday 5am?"

Why would he sign the emergency before seeing whether or not the wall was funded in the bill?

Blogger Mar Go February 16, 2019 11:29 AM  

@119 The issue is that you need some kind of coherent identity group to pull that off. In the US right now, gays, blacks, jews and even latinos have more coherent group identities than European Americans. In the world right now, maybe aside from anglophone Canadians, European Americans are the most deracinated group of people out there.

Blogger Avalanche February 16, 2019 11:43 AM  

@79 "On the other hand. Trump looked weak and indecisive in his WH announcement."

Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.

Hmmmm, wonder who said said...

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 16, 2019 11:52 AM  

@135
Was it funded?
When was it that the Senate approved the budget?
For how long was it known the fence was not going to be funded?

Blogger ced3914 February 16, 2019 11:53 AM  

h/t
Larry Schweikart
@LarrySchweikart
4 hours ago, 8 tweets, 2 min read Read on Twitter
1) More from Zen Master on a court challenge (this is pretty encouraging).

2) I am no lawyer. Getting this from Zen Master who has yet to be wrong on all things legal. Hope I don't flub the interpretation.

3) As I said yesterday, there are only three circuits who might . . .
3) contd . . . hear a challenge to a Declaration of Emergency, 9th, 5th, and 10th. But a challenge can only start in a state where wall construction is going up (TX). While not unanimous, the 5th Circuit is an R-dominated court.

4) However--and this is where it gets good . . .
4) contd. . . before any court can hear a case it must be "ripe." For ex., DeWine in OH has said he will sign the "Heartbeat Bill" & PP will challenge that, but PP can't challenge until he actually signs it.

NO CASE VS THE DECLARATION IS RIPE UNTIL THE MONEY IS SPENT.
5) Trump has three pools of money: the authorized $1.375b in the money appropriated for the wall. Trump has also invoked two statutes, 31 U.S.C. section 9705 & 10 U.S.C. section 284 to spend about $3.1 billion. These statutes don't require an emergency declaration.
6) The third statute is 10 U.S.C. section 2808 with $3.6b which does require an emergency declaration.

7) This is the only one that can be challenged . . . but only when it's "ripe."
8) That means Trump will first spend the authorized $1.375b, then will spend the statute authorized $3.1b that doesn't require the emergency dec, and ONLY THEN begin to spend the $3.6b. That expenditure might not come for a year!
9) In other words, Trump can build $4.475b worth of wall without the Declaration of Emergency kicking in. Only at that point can DemoKKKrats sue.

10) Of course, they will try. But if this analysis is correct, their challenges will be tossed out because of "ripeness".
11) And, again, no challenges can be brought in the 9th or 10th Circus until wall building actually starts there.

Blogger dh February 16, 2019 12:02 PM  

10) Of course, they will try. But if this analysis is correct, their challenges will be tossed out because of "ripeness".

This analysis is garbage.

Ripeness doctrine defers when future events are contingent - i.e. might not happen. In Abbott Laboratories v. Gardner (1967) the Court established a two part test for ripeness. Essentially, any challenge to a government plan, regulation, action, or agency decision is presumed to be ripe unless the law establishes a delayed right of review.

So this means anyone with standing who claims damage can raise a claim that is presumed to be ripe the moment the government makes or publicizes a plan or process to take an action.

This case is ripe right now. Read more about Ripeness here: http://www.federalpracticemanual.org/chapter3/section2#footnote7_7uzyxsq

I would be very surprised if any Circuit Court declines to hear this case because of ripeness.

Blogger Lazarus February 16, 2019 12:16 PM  

For policy wonks


Today, I have signed into law H.J. Res. 31...

Statement by the President

Sounds like he will ignore or bypass the stupid bits.

Blogger FUBARwest February 16, 2019 12:24 PM  

"Was it funded?
When was it that the Senate approved the budget?
For how long was it known the fence was not going to be funded?"

I suggest you watch the latest darkstream Vox did on either stream.me or YouTube.

Senate approved of an outline on the 13th. The actual written bill was completed on the 14th where it passed both houses of Congress. The apocalypse happens and Trump signs it on the 15th to avert another shutdown.

The bill includes 1.35 billion for the wall and the Dems "stuck it to Trump" by giving 5.3b(close to the amount he wanted for the wall) to isreal and one other foreign country.

So the wall is partially funded, he had less than 24 hours to either sign it or have another shutdown which would be blamed entirely on him and make it appear he is unreasonable to most people outside of this blog considering the bill passed both houses voted in veto overturning numbers when his entire 2019 strategy is to appeal to the middle of the country by showcasing how extreme the left is behaving.

Again, I strongly encourage you watch Box's latest darkstream.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 16, 2019 12:26 PM  

@140
Thank you for the info.
It has been understood for a long time that the wall building best place to start was in Texas to force it into the 5th circuit.

I am still (a little less) hopeful that Texas will declare its welfare system, civilian LEO and courts, overwhelmed and cannot handle the illegal entry, smuggling, sex trade, and organized crime syndicates.

Blogger FUBARwest February 16, 2019 12:28 PM  

"For policy wonks


Today, I have signed into law H.J. Res. 31...

Statement by the President

Sounds like he will ignore or bypass the stupid bits."

On one hand he needs to do this and the precedent was already set for this prior to him. On the other, the executive overreach is disturbing in isolation and reinforces the fact that the USA lifespan is on a guarenteed clock till it dissolves.

Oh well, the Trumpslide cometh

Blogger DonReynolds February 16, 2019 12:31 PM  

The Federal government behaves much like any other large human organization....it does whatever it really wants to and very often that is contrary to the public statements or official policy or campaign promises.

Ah...you need "proof". OK.
You believe that the Democrats want to have Open Borders and give instant citizenship to all the illegal aliens and all their "relatives" and anyone else who bothers to come to our borders. It surely seems that way and sometimes they even say so in public. But when they had firm (Obama Leftist) control of all three branch of the Federal government, they could have done it easily....stepping over all Republican "opposition". So why didn't they? Because they do not want to.

In the last two years, the Republicans controlled the Executive Branch, both houses of Congress, and made progress toward influencing the Judiciary. Did they enforce the immigration laws already on the books? Did they make any progress in deporting the million and a half illegal aliens who have ignored orders of removal (deportation) for years? Did they build the wall or at least fund the wall? Did they change the laws presently on the books to improve the immigration system? So why didn't they? Because they did not want to.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 16, 2019 12:35 PM  

@142
yes, yes.
The point was that it was well understood where evryhting was headed. It was no secret.
POTUS put himself against the wall, pun intended.

I voted for Trump despite me not liking him. He is my attack dog and will support him.
My enthusiasm for Trump has never been great but he has till 2020.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 12:58 PM  

Why would you have an attack dog you've never been greatly impressed with?

Blogger FUBARwest February 16, 2019 1:01 PM  

"yes, yes.
The point was that it was well understood where evryhting was headed. It was no secret."

Really? I didn't know a bill was going to be put together with 1.3b in wall funding. Especially after Pelosi said not one dollar. And I didnt know the bill would pass 83-16 or w/e it was in the Senate.

This is post hoc explanations for a position you have always held about Trump not any actual analysis of the actual bill + how he signed it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 16, 2019 1:12 PM  

My attack dog because he dished it back, during the 2018 campaign, the BS thrown at him.

Who else was there? Who else, other than Rand Paul, that was an affront to GOPe?

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 16, 2019 1:15 PM  

The budget was passed in the House when?

Blogger Unknown February 16, 2019 1:39 PM  

Ann Coulter is just displaying the typical female trait of "HYSTERIA"...

You know, hysteria = Ancient Greek for "WOMB!" How apropos.

Blogger Mar Go February 16, 2019 1:50 PM  

Not liking the Coulter bashing. Honestly, looking at the state of the USA right now, every self proclaimed "nationalist" should be freaking out like her. Trump is obviously 1000x better than clinton or harris but he's not enough to change things and so far aside from some small things he hasn't exactly done anything significant. Legal immigration is also at an all-time high right now.
Honestly the main credit I could give him is that he hasn't directly made things worse. But the situation is still terrible.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 2:03 PM  

What's not to like about criticizing Coulter with rhetoric? Honest question because you didn't elaborate.

Blogger ash February 16, 2019 2:18 PM  

Coulter is right. Good-bye USA.

Blogger Lance E February 16, 2019 2:20 PM  

FUBARwest wrote:...when his entire 2019 strategy is to appeal to the middle of the country by showcasing how extreme the left is behaving.

And that is the problem. We all know precisely where that strategy leads.

FUBARwest wrote:On one hand he needs to do this and the precedent was already set for this prior to him. On the other, the executive overreach is disturbing in isolation and reinforces the fact that the USA lifespan is on a guarenteed clock till it dissolves.

Here I very much disagree. Nothing could make America's future look brighter than the marginalization or even dissolution of Congress. The good-faith interpretation of Trump - that he's reactionary underneath the ridiculous civ-nat facade, but can't govern effectively because of the left's massive institutional domination and/or deep-state - means that the underlying problem with America right now is the lack of a strong executive.

The very phrase "executive overreach" is a contradiction in terms. Individuals who actually have executive power cannot overreach by definition. Executives occupy the highest position in a hierarchy.


Anyway, having read Trump's signature statement, I now agree with the person who said it's a "status quo bill". Meaning that he may choose to ignore some or all of the poison pills, which in turn means that almost everything of import will play out in the courts, as it almost always does and has.

I've been one of the people saying "just do what Obama did and ignore Congress" since late 2016, so I can't in good conscience criticize this latest development. I just hope he has the balls to follow through on it, and that he's either prepared to ignore court rulings or has packed the courts enough to defend against the left's jurisdiction-shopping.

Blogger Mar Go February 16, 2019 2:21 PM  

@153 European Americans are now a minority, immigration is at an all-time high, a massive opioid epidemic is destroying the lives of thousands of Americans and leftists can beat up Trump supporters without any consequences. I'm not American so take my opinion with a grain of salt but I don't understand why you guys aren't pissed off at the fact that Trump is spending more time remembering the holocaust rather than dealing with these things.

Blogger bobby February 16, 2019 2:45 PM  

"Executives occupy the highest position in a hierarchy."

In the business world, an executive executes the instructions of others. He's simply the sharp end of someone else's spear.

In our Constitutional scheme, The Executive is elevated to a co-equal position of power to his instructors in some respects, but he's certainly not higher in the hierarchy.

You're thinking of "dictator", or maybe "king/queen."

As you ponder the dissolution of Congress, think of how much we'd all enjoy the sound of "Queen Hillary."

Blogger Aaron B. February 16, 2019 2:58 PM  

Not liking the Coulter bashing.

She's still not going to sleep with you.

Blogger Balam February 16, 2019 3:11 PM  

There's a lot of unfamiliar names blackpilling here. Did a bunch of trannies put this website on their discord raid list?

I know my words aren't going to be read by them, but in case, you go with the best you got not the '''perfect ideal'''. God can make perfect works with imperfect tools it's the Jewish mindset that perfection can and should exist on Earth. Another example, do you think the NPC leftists want Hillary Clinton as their spokesperson? A bitter bag who fainted at the 9/11 memorial, was so drunk after losing she didn't give her base a concession speech and had a seizure in public. How is it that evil NPCs can stand in unison while you cannot? Lastly, are YOU going to stand up with your own flag and start your own tribe to takeover America? I have my doubts.

Blogger bobby February 16, 2019 3:20 PM  

So, Trump gets $1.4 billion from the new omnibus bill to spend on his wall.

He also has, in his pocket, the $2.5 billion that was authorized in 10 U.S.C § 284 - signed by Obama right before leaving office, setting that money out for the exec branch to use to stop drug flow across our borders - which Trump specifically talked about using when he announced that he would sign the new bill and invoke his emergency powers.

See, Congress tried to give the exec branch extra powers when it passed 10 U.S.C § 284 - a gift to Obama and then to Hillary (who was supposed to win.) But they gave those powers (oops!) to Trump, who's going to build a good portion of his wall with them.

Only then - note that in his emergency-powers announcement, he said he was going to be using these monies sequentially - only once he has spent the first $3.9 billion that he already has authorization for will he allocate money under his emergency declaration (which should mean that there's no ripe court action against it yet - it won't exist until then.)

So, yeah, he played them. The wailing will be legendary.

(A better explanation than mine is at https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-congress-and-president-obama-made-trumps-wall-possible ).

Blogger Ransom Smith February 16, 2019 3:36 PM  

Not liking the Coulter bashing.
And yet no one asked you.
Funny thing that.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 3:37 PM  

I specifically asked what is wrong with using rhetoric to criticize Coulter. I didn't ask you to black pill.

Blogger 1st Earl Hardwicke February 16, 2019 3:47 PM  

This whole thing sounds massively convoluted.

Is there anyone who actually knows Trump, as a proxy, to have an idea what's going on. Kind of nosy.

Blogger jijijeac February 16, 2019 4:09 PM  

yes don't believe the blackpillers. Who the hell cares Trump hasn't ended the visa lottery? Who the hell cares Trump hasn't ended chain migration? Who the hell cares Trump has increased the number of H1B1s and abandoned the american worker? Who the hell cares he has done nothing to eliminate the almost 30 million illegal aliens living in the USA? WHo the hell cares he has done nothing about birthright citizenship? Who the hell cares he has offered the DACAs amnesty at least 5 times now?Who the hell cares the wall has yet to be built? Who the hell cares that Trump hasn't fulfilled any of his immigration campaign promises? Who the hell cares that instead of giving EO to end visa lottery he has given EOs to deregulate banks?

Its the blackpillers who are driving away potential Trump supporters. Not the fact that Trump is just a low tax globalist shill who implemented the same policies Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio would have.

The blackpillers need to see the 50D chess that Trump is playing by not enforcing any of his immigration/nationalist policies. See Trump is not a another milktoast right wing globalist. He is just pretending to be one by not doing anything about migration. this will show the globalists what is up. its all part of the god emperor plan. You increase the number of H1B1s, not do anything about the illegal migration and then the FBI will put Hillary in jail like Q predicted.

Blogger The Cooler February 16, 2019 4:24 PM  

We are all very sorry Trump couldn't find your clit, jijijeac.

Blogger Catchthefox February 16, 2019 5:02 PM  

This place is either being raided or it was full unteachable kids in the first place.

Blogger Mar Go February 16, 2019 5:11 PM  

@162 Never said there was anything wrong with it

Blogger Up from the pond February 16, 2019 5:42 PM  

DJT wrote:Do you know why the ascendent minorities get everything they want? Because they chimp out when they don't get it.

Exactly. This.

But you know what the comeback will be.

It will be: "B-but that's not who we are!"

Yeah, silent passivity and a "wait and see" approach. These always win.

Just wait. Wait and trust the plan.

Being loud, rude, pushy, and demanding never got anyone anywhere.

Keep waiting. Don't even call your congressman. Such a mistrustful action would be a betrayal of the God-Emperor.

Mature, reasonable people always sit on their hands.

That's why mature, reasonable people always get what they want in politics.

Pushy people never get anywhere!

Believe and wait.

Wait. WAIT.

Wait...until it's too late.

Because thatz the TruCon way.

Conservatism really is a temperament, as Russell Kirk said, and not an ideology. It's a passive temperament.

That last thing you'll see a conservative do is chimp out, and they're proud of this.They won't raise a fuss--unless it's to oppose someone who is raising a fuss. THEN they will come out of the woodwork to lambaste "orange ignoramuses" "economic illiterates" "blackpillers" "people who have been on this board for less than 10 years" "women on the rag" etc. The only cause that stirs them to be outspoken is the cause of braking movement and turning down the volume on their side. Basically conservatives are a pack of old Reaganauts who don't want their stock market returns or their digestions disturbed. Seventy years of waiting and declining, and their advice is still wait...wait until they're dead, I guess.

Blogger sammibandit February 16, 2019 6:20 PM  

Not liking the Coulter bashing.

I'm honestly curious what's not likable about using rhetoric on her because she clearly thinks it works. She's using rhetoric when she says "the country is over".

Blogger OneWingedShark February 16, 2019 6:49 PM  

1st Earl Hardwicke wrote:This whole thing sounds massively convoluted.
This.

And that's what makes it so disturbing; the whole issue is astoundingly simple, with a simple solution: use the Army to uphold the requirement of the Constitution to protect the States from invasion (A4, S4). Sure, there'll be bad press -- but if the military isn't for protecting our own borders, what is it for? Dying in the middle east? -- and very likely an attempt at impeachment. But such an attempt, that of removing the Commander in Chief for executing Constitutionally mandated duties, would be an absurdly easy Treason (A3, S3) case… and don't forget that Treason is one of the crimes that Congressmen are not immune from arrest over.

Yes, I get that this would be "strong arm" and a lot of people would say "Dictator!" -- but here's the real questions:
(1) Would the President be a dictator if he did this, and then allowed the States to elect new Senators and the people to elect new Representatives?
(2) How is it possible to win without destroying the Traitors who are killing you from within?

It looks to me like Trump is very unwilling to really rip the mask off and expose the enemies of the country. Well, other than the MSM, he was spot-on with that.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2019 7:44 PM  

"Being loud, rude, pushy, and demanding never got anyone anywhere."

Please. You're just a wet bitch bitching to the choir. Either lead by example and also go away, or just go away. No one likes you, no one's listening to you.

"Mature, reasonable people always sit on their hands."

Assumption in bad faith number 87097967869875866. Seriously, just shut up and sit down you hysterical little blackpill-whore.

If you actually cared about doing anything you'd be out doing it instead of in complaining to us.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 16, 2019 10:31 PM  

It looks to me like Trump is very unwilling to really rip the mask off and expose the enemies of the country.

It looks to me as if he thinks he can bring many of them on board. If he were correct, it wouldn't make sense to hang them. If.

Blogger DonReynolds February 17, 2019 2:26 AM  

OneWingedShark

"-- and very likely an attempt at impeachment. But such an attempt, that of removing the Commander in Chief for executing Constitutionally mandated duties, would be an absurdly easy Treason case… and don't forget that Treason is one of the crimes that Congressmen are not immune from arrest over."

Very good. I thought I had been teleported back to the time of Andrew Johnson. He was the only president to be tried in the Senate and spared removal by a single vote. That single vote was not denied the majority but the two-thirds required by the Constitution. The vote to convict Johnson was 35 to 19 on the most important of the twelve counts.

For those interested in interesting times, I would suggest a review of the life and times of former president Andrew Johnson. All of his virtues and achievements and causes have been ignored as he is vilified and defamed for having stood in the way of the radical extremists. A fight he initially won. His defense of the Constitution, and loyalty to the Union, set him apart from many in those troubled times in America history. Johnson should not be admired as anything other than a worthy extension of Abraham Lincoln, whose policies he tried to continue after the end of the civil war. It is entirely appropriate in the Trump era to revisit the Andrew Johnson administration, not as a guide, but as a cautionary tale of just how things have happened in the past.

Blogger DonReynolds February 17, 2019 2:49 AM  

We are not doomed to repeat history nor are we here to re-enact historical events. We are provided with the facts as they were at the time and given the benefit of hindsight to judge for ourselves whether decisions were wise or prudent.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 17, 2019 7:08 AM  

Signing Statement on Omnibus

Anybody else getting a Jacksonian vibe from this?

Blogger Rough Carrigan February 17, 2019 6:54 PM  

Trump wins again.
He issued a statement essentially pointing out that spending bills are just that and nothing more. He's going to take the money allotted and spend it. The other crazy provisions tacked on are just wasted ink.

I quote from Qanon:

These phrases below imply that Trump plans on following his constitutional rights no matter what he signed iin the “Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2019” (the “Act”), which authorizes appropriations to fund the operation of a number of agencies in the Federal Government through September 30, 2019.
“My Administration will treat each of these provisions consistent with the President’s constitutional authorities with respect to foreign relations.”
And
“my Administration will continue the practice of treating provisions like these as advisory and non-binding.”
And
“My Administration will make appropriate efforts to notify the relevant committees before taking the specified actions and will accord the recommendations of such committees all appropriate and serious consideration, but it will not treat spending decisions as dependent on the approval of congressional committees.”

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