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Thursday, February 21, 2019

Truth is not a Judeo-Christian value

Dennis Prager projects too much:
Truth is not a left-wing value.

I first discovered this as a graduate student studying the Soviet Union and left-wing ideologies at the Russian Institute of Columbia University School of International Affairs. Everything I have learned since has confirmed this view.

Individuals on both the left and right lie. Individuals on both the left and right tell the truth. And liberalism, unlike leftism, does value truth. But the further left one goes, the more one enters the world of the lie.

Why does the left lie?

There are two main reasons.

One is that leftists deem their goals more important than telling the truth. For example, every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done for the same amount of hours under the same conditions. Yet leftists repeat the lie that women earn 78 cents for every dollar men earn. Why any employers would hire men when they could hire women and get the same amount of work done at the same level of excellence for the same number of hours while saving 20 cents on the dollar is a question only God or the sphinx could answer.

So, when New York Times columnists write this nonsense, do they believe it? The answer is they don’t ask themselves, “Is it true?” They ask themselves, “Does the claim help promote the left-wing doctrine that women are oppressed?” Whatever serves that end is morally justified.

The second reason is leftism is rooted in feelings, not reason or truth. From Karl Marx to Bernie Sanders, left-wing preference for socialism over capitalism is entirely rooted in emotion. Only capitalism creates wealth. Socialism merely spends what capitalism creates. Do leftists not know this? Even if they know it, the emotional pull of socialism prevails.
The Fake Right loves to whine about the Left. It's all they ever talk about. And there is nothing they enjoy doing more than explaining the Left to the Right; that's why this is taken from what is part six of Dennis Prager's opus called Explaining the Left. Of course, if you pay sufficient attention, what you eventually realize is that the Fake Right is a part of the Left. Dennis Prager behaves in exactly the same manner he decries here, because he deems his goals more important than telling the truth and because his loyalty to his people rooted in feelings, not reason or truth.

Truth is not a Judeo-Christian value because Judeo-Christianity itself is a shameless, ahistorical, and anti-Christian lie.

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Blogger JohnofAustria February 21, 2019 5:06 PM  

>And liberalism, unlike leftism, does value truth

What? Liberalism rests on moral claims posing as empirical ones. Pr on ignoring the empirical (aspect of human nature) completely and moralizing.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 21, 2019 5:07 PM  

And Prager talking about the use of an eternal oppression narrative is freaking *rich*

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 21, 2019 5:12 PM  

"Why does the left lie?"

Broadly speaking, because personal freedom is their primary value. Particularly freedoms that should not be had.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 21, 2019 5:15 PM  

They want to be free of God and morality.

Blogger Primus Pilus February 21, 2019 5:15 PM  

"Truth is not a Judeo-Christian value because Judeo-Christianity itself is a shameless, ahistorical, and anti-Christian lie."

I appreciate it every time you mention this, Vox, because it honestly cannot be repeated enough.

Blogger Shamish February 21, 2019 5:20 PM  

Exhibit to a man the knowledge of his own master and the charade goes up in flames. We live in a fragile world after all.

Blogger carnaby February 21, 2019 5:21 PM  

In the same way that revenge must always be taken, irony always prevails. And your tooth beaver knows this.

To be fair, some truths are more difficult than others when they go against your feelings or ability to get or keep employment. I keep many truths to myself when I'm in public on account of I can't afford the truth. Someday...

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 21, 2019 5:32 PM  

Why does the Left Lie?

Because the Leftist gets away with it.

Except in Jussie's case.

Because Idiot.

Blogger Nate73 February 21, 2019 5:36 PM  

One wonders if Jordan Peterson's definition of truth was inspired by a certain middle eastern tribe.

Blogger tz February 21, 2019 5:40 PM  

Jews can't recognize the truth when it is standing right there in front of them. See the Gospels.

Blogger Mark Stoval February 21, 2019 5:50 PM  

Great post. Powerful post.

It is the mark of talent and intelligence to be able to say so much in so few words.

... and it helps that I agree 110% :-)

Blogger NO GOOGLES February 21, 2019 6:02 PM  

Let's see how much Prager loves truth when we start talking about race and IQ differences or how an ethnic group that is less than 2% of the population controls nearly 100% of banking, media, entertainment, AND is the largest lobbyist group in the country.

Something tells me that Prager's love of truth isn't going to be as great as he thinks it is.

Blogger Eagle Rock February 21, 2019 6:08 PM  

Does Mr. Prager accept Him who is The Way, The Truth, and The Life? Or is he too a Leftist on the subject of Jesus the Christ?

Blogger Silent Draco February 21, 2019 6:10 PM  

Azure, why does a dog wash itself?

Because it can. Same with leftists.

The end justifies the means. If the end is power and/or social justice, any means is acceptable.

Blogger Verne February 21, 2019 6:12 PM  

In the past, in response to your thought on Ben Shapiro I used to say. He is not that bad. He is an ally not an enemy. Ok it turns out you were right about Ben. Then came Jordan Peterson. I didn't like him as much as Ben, but I wasn't sure he was that bad. Ok you were right about JP. Now its Dennis Prager, I like him most of the time. But my track record sucks.


Blogger Rickaby007 February 21, 2019 6:25 PM  

In the leftist worldview, everything is relative and therefore truth does not exist in it. Umberto Eco actually formulated in this be of his essays that liberalism is actually an eternal war against truth which he defines as fascism.

Blogger My 1 millionth internet profile February 21, 2019 6:30 PM  

I first discovered this as a graduate student studying the Soviet Union and left-wing ideologies at the Russian Institute of Columbia University School of International Affairs.

That's strange, most people with even the slightest connection to the truth don't require time at an Ivy league graduate school to figure these things out. I guess we just can never understand such simple concepts as well as a super smarty-pants like Dennis (he went to COLUMBIA, donchaknow!).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 21, 2019 6:39 PM  

Nate73 wrote:One wonders if Jordan Peterson's definition of truth was inspired by a certain middle eastern tribe.
Peterson's definition of truth was inspired by the fact that he could not tell when he was lying.
Think about that for a minute.

Blogger Primus Pilus February 21, 2019 6:43 PM  

"Let's see how much Prager loves truth when we start talking about race and IQ differences..."

As much as I like John C Wright and much of his writing, even he shies away from this and retreats to IQ-denying race-equalism.

Blogger logosicon February 21, 2019 6:44 PM  

"Dennis Prager behaves in exactly the same manner he decries here, because he deems his goals more important than telling the truth..."

Savage Vox is best Vox, and true.

Blogger Joe Smith February 21, 2019 6:54 PM  

Something I've noticed, and actually it comes into play when Vox talks about SWJs Always Lie, is that the left actually does always lie. Literally always. Even when they tell a specific truth in a given context, it's in service of a greater narrative that is always, at base, a lie. The same thing is true of the controlled opposition right, only the narrative lie is a different one. They can't tell the truth because truths connect, and then they'd have to admit things like, e.g., mean IQs differ between races, and etc. But both the entire left and the controlled opposition right therefore actually out of necessity always lie.

What I meant about SJWs Always Lie is that Vox has said that the title is rhetoric, and I see what he means. But I think it actually is a dialectical statement, because even truths SJWs tell are in furtherance of narratives that are lies. Yes, you can get an SJW (or a leftist) to tell you a specific truth, but only if they think it will cause you to believe something else that isn't true.

Anonymous Anonymous February 21, 2019 7:06 PM  

How many people are gonna be on the ark?

Blogger David The Good February 21, 2019 7:27 PM  

Jay Will wrote:How many people are gonna be on the ark?



It depends on what you mean by ark? And in a body?

Blogger Timmy3 February 21, 2019 7:47 PM  

Well, I do wonder why the Left lies when they can argue for their positions without the lie, but this gives forces the Right to promote the Left’s values. In contrast, the Right can tell the truth and they would not believe it. They’re allergic to truth and justice.

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:02 PM  

Truth is not a Judeo-Christian value because Judeo-Christianity itself is a shameless, ahistorical, and anti-Christian lie.

TRUTH!

Evangelicals need to move beyond the lies of the Scofield Bible and return to the roots of the Geneva Bible.

NO KING! But KINGS!

Let all Kings laws be in harmony with the Commandants of God.

Let the COMMUNITY enforce the laws.

Let every Murderer, Adulterer, Sodomite, Pedophile, be put to death - by the Community.

No more jails or prisons - restitution - indenture - and apprenticeships.

No moar Jooz rulez.

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:11 PM  

Googling YA via Google.....

Theodore Robert Beale, also known as Vox Day, is an American far-right writer, publisher, video game designer. He has been described as a white supremacist, a misogynist, and alt-right. Wikipedia
Born: August 21, 1968 (age 50 years), Boston, MA
Education: Bucknell University
Music group: Psykosonik (1992 – 1994)
Parents: Rebecca Beale, Robert Beale
Nominations: Hugo Award for Best Novelette, MORE

https://www.google.com/search?q=vox+popoli&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS837US837&oq=vox+popoli&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l3j0l2.5527j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'd follow you into WAR anyday!

Let the Anti-Christs shake in fear - and spew HATE!

Truth stands TALL!

Anonymous Anonymous February 21, 2019 8:15 PM  

It's actually amazing how Judeo-Christian values always end in criminal laws that punish true statements which upset protected identities with years of imprisonment. The latest example is section 97Z of the Crimes Act 1900 NSW. Why are true statements that cause 'psychological violence' punishable by 3 years imprisonment in Australia? Because of the 'Keep NSW safe alliance' led by the Board of Deputies of you know who. It is always the same. The whole world is to be subjected to Noahide laws, thanks to the animals who are more equal then others.

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:18 PM  

Which takes precedence - the 10 simple Commandments - OR -

The convoluted and open to interpretation - the "Living and Breathing" Constitution....

The Constitution of NO AUTHORITY....

From Lysander Spooner:

The Constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago.

NO TREASON!

Legally speaking, therefore, there is, in the Constitution, nothing that professes or attempts to bind the “posterity” of those who establish[ed] it.

http://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm

Blogger Pierre February 21, 2019 8:20 PM  

VD> there is nothing they enjoy doing more than explaining the Left to the Right

I think it's important to understand the left.

The left is an algorithm which aims to maximize power. It works like the theory of evolution. It generates rhetoric and ideologies via mutation, then the fittest form is selected by how successful it is at hacking brains and spreading.

This process is mindless and amoral. Truth is irrelevant to it: SJWs always lie. The only thing that matters is whether what they say is effective. Everything that a leftist writes or says can be summarized by "this is rhetoric meant to convince you to join us" and dismissed.




Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:23 PM  

No King - but KINGS!

Richard Kelly Hoskins - I met the Man -heard him speak - and BELIEVE!

I witness for TRUTH.

And am hated for doing so.

https://youtu.be/JrMo_Kjs_sY

Anonymous Anonymous February 21, 2019 8:28 PM  

TSE wrote:Legally speaking, therefore, there is, in the Constitution, nothing that professes or attempts to bind the “posterity” of those who establish[ed] it.

Except the word 'posterity'....

....

.

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:30 PM  

"The left is an algorithm which aims to maximize power. It works like the theory of evolution. It generates rhetoric and ideologies via mutation, then the fittest form is selected by how successful it is at hacking brains and spreading".....

Jay Hanson already expressed this in his Overshoot Loop Treatise:

Here is a synopsis of the behavioral loop described above:

Step 1. Individuals and groups evolved a bias to maximize fitness by maximizing power, which requires over-reproduction and/or over-consumption of natural resources (overshoot), whenever systemic constraints allow it. Differential power generation and accumulation result in a hierarchical group structure.

Step 2. Energy is always limited, and overshoot eventually leads to decreasing power available to some members of the group, with lower-ranking members suffering first.

Step 3. Diminishing power availability creates divisive subgroups within the original group. Low-rank members will form subgroups and coalitions to demand a greater share of power from higher-ranking individuals, who will resist by forming their own coalitions to maintain power.

Step 4. Violent social strife eventually occurs among subgroups who demand a greater share of the remaining power.

Step 5. The weakest subgroups (high or low rank) are either forced to disperse to a new territory, are killed, enslaved, or imprisoned.

Step 6. Go back to step 1.

http://www.dieoff.org/

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:33 PM  

@31 -

I have no Posterity to admit to....

The end brings the end.

By choice.

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:41 PM  

@27 -

"The whole world is to be subjected to Noahide laws, thanks to the animals who are more equal then others".

Hammer hits nail square on head.

Blogger Monotonous Languor February 21, 2019 8:45 PM  

SJW's Always Lie...

That's what they do, now why do they do it? Subjective truth? Nifty narratives? Christophobia? A conflict of visions? Narcissism and pwecious feewings?

These attempts at explanations amount to just dancing around the totem pole without ever chopping it down. There must be some deeper motivation, some kernel of an assumption that starts them off on the wrong foot in the wrong direction. And the end result is more than just an ideology, because its hard-core adherents dedicate their lives and are sometimes willing to die for it.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” ...some old Chinaman named Sun Tzu

Regarding the damned left, someone better explain something correctly to somebody. If we don't understand the true nature of that enemy, then we'll never be able to defeat her.

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:50 PM  

While a young, gay, black male has.....



Smollett Bail Set At $100,000; Empire Star Ordered To Surrender Passport

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-21/smollett-under-arrest-empire-star-surrenders-felony-charge-hate-crime-hoax

Blogger TSE February 21, 2019 8:56 PM  

@35 "Regarding the damned left, someone better explain something correctly to somebody. If we don't understand the true nature of that enemy, then we'll never be able to defeat her".

The pronoun is inconsequential - ask yourself instead = how can let understand right when there is a 90 degrees difference - which produces dissension and discord?

Left and Right can never come to terms because they are 90 degrees separated.

So one must rule over the other.

So = what is your choice?

Blogger Living in a Fallen World February 21, 2019 10:28 PM  

I don't say much, but I think there might be something up with these jews.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 21, 2019 10:37 PM  

Whining about leftist double standards only gives the leftists satisfaction. I don't bother to point out their double standards and hypocrisy any more. It's a waste of time. It's like honking the horn on a car instead of swerving to avoid the collision
... or aiming and flooring it

Blogger Robert Pinkerton February 21, 2019 10:46 PM  

@16 Rickaby 007: "In the leftist worldview, everything is relative..."

"When everything is relative, all copulation is incest" - Saint Toad's Aphorism #2

Blogger sammibandit February 21, 2019 11:14 PM  

Ancient Greeks valued the truth and attacked it from various angles: beauty, anatomy, botany, logic, architecture, etc. It's funny to me that Jews, with whom they had not-too-friendly contact for millennia, are not so into it on a cultural level. Perhaps it is a reflection of the Medeterranean temperament and nomadism. I don't find that northern nomads like Plains Natives or the Vikings reject the truth because that would be deadly, nor do I find an advantage in falsehood in ancient city states of the Ancient Greeks.

Blogger Rhys February 22, 2019 12:25 AM  

Classic example of an "intellectual" may pole dancing with his own dick. Prager just explained to us that peoe say things that aren't true be ause they value something other than the truth. Thanks genius!

Blogger APL February 22, 2019 2:16 AM  

Peirre truc: "It works like the theory of evolution."

New around here?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 22, 2019 2:42 AM  

"One wonders if Jordan Peterson's definition of truth was inspired by a certain middle eastern tribe."

It was derived precisely from evolutionary ethics, symptomatic of the continuing usurpation of scientists over priests in the realm of conveying objective truth to the public mind.

Like this:


Philosophical predicate: All that exists came about through material, natural causes -- because these are what science can observe. (Note that in reality scientody is subset of philosophy, thus this is an extreme category error.)

Conclusion: Living things are the result of random change regulated by Natural Selection.

Tier 2 conclusion: Living things have no purpose other than to propagate and change.

Tier 3 conclusion: The human mind is an organ that exists only to aid survival and propagation. Truth is therefore irrelevant if it is not conducive to survival/propagation. It would be best for this misnomer to be repurposed to refer to how the mind really works -- conveniences of survival/propagation.


And there you go. Category error leads into such deep blindness that the blind deny sight could even exist.

Blogger JAG February 22, 2019 3:54 AM  

Timmy3 wrote:Well, I do wonder why the Left lies when they can argue for their positions without the lie, but this gives forces the Right to promote the Left’s values. In contrast, the Right can tell the truth and they would not believe it. They’re allergic to truth and justice.

The left absolutely cannot use the truth to argue for their positions. Very few would support them because their goals are evil for evil's sake. They must lie as their father has taught them.

Blogger Gettimothy February 22, 2019 4:49 AM  

"And your tooth beaver knows this. "


Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 22, 2019 5:47 AM  

IMO Dennis still plays the cultural Marxist game of white guilt from the Jewish perspective. He can play educator to us white gentile second class citizens and make a buck and never be challenging his erstwhile allies in the cultural Marxist swindle.

Blogger Pierre February 22, 2019 6:22 AM  

APL wrote:Peirre truc: "It works like the theory of evolution."
New around here?


VD's argument against the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection (TENS) is based on rate of mutation and I agree with him. However, leftism mutates at a much much faster rate because there is almost no limit to the amount of bullshit that marxist social scientists with no regard for truth will come up with. The damn thing kinda rewrites its entire DNA in every generation: from marxism to critical theory to postmodern garbage to intersectionality...

TSE wrote:Jay Hanson already expressed this in his Overshoot Loop Treatise

Nice! This helped. Well, it applies to any lifeform which goes through population booms/crashes as it overshoots the carrying capacity of the environment...

I realized I used the wrong terms to describe the left, "algorithm" isn't accurate. Let me rephrase without using IT terms:

The left is a virus or parasite which infects the mind and aims to spread and maximize its power. It will mutate and generate any rhetoric and ideology to control the behavior of the infected in order to propagate.

And if you view leftism as a lifeform then Jay Hanson's overshoot loop also applies to it. Just replace different population groups trying to spread their genes with different strains of leftism trying to spread their ideologies. Replace energy with people.

The virus/parasite doesn't care about the reproductive fitness or survival of the people it infects as long as it spreads. The rage virus makes the infected drool and bite so it spreads... and the leftism mind-virus's influence on the infected isn't that different! So you get the overshoot loop, leftism first infects everyone and consumes all resources, then people die off (famine, gulag, invasion, Pinochet, etc) and the cycle begins again.

Azure Amaranthine: Jordy's definition of truth is correct in this context... Leftist truth is whatever allows the mind-virus to spread more efficiently. It can be revised when a more efficient one is found.

Blogger Miguel February 22, 2019 6:35 AM  

Dennis Prager is the Neo-Palestinian who claims that the USA was not founded on race but "values". If he can lie on something so obviously false like that, why trust him any further?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 22, 2019 7:48 AM  

"The left absolutely cannot use the truth to argue for their positions."

Often because they don't believe it exists in the first place.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 22, 2019 9:06 AM  

I would say, look at the positions you know to be true, and see what Prager says or omits about them. IQ, Israel, race, etc. Then compare to a known truth-speaker.

Blogger PJW Gent February 22, 2019 9:08 AM  

Monotonous Languor wrote:SJW's Always Lie...

That's what they do, now why do they do it?

It is pretty simple once you understand who it is that controls every aspect of their being: the "Father of Lies" for whom they are willing canon fodder while denying the existence of the one pulling their strings.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 22, 2019 9:16 AM  

The Lord told us: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Vox is simply being logically consistent in his application of truth, while most of us have had to struggle to do so.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 22, 2019 9:19 AM  

We were told: Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 22, 2019 9:20 AM  

I would also argue that they really can't.

Blogger JohnofAustria February 22, 2019 9:21 AM  

John 8:31-59

Blogger JohnofAustria February 22, 2019 9:24 AM  

The Master told us millennia ago: 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 22, 2019 9:56 AM  

"I would also argue that they really can't."

Never know what you had 'till it's gone.

Blogger Steve Rodger February 22, 2019 1:06 PM  

One need to believe in objective reality to find truth. Jesus is the truth because he is the word made flesh, the logos, the divine reason that man can see manifested in the creation, the God of objective reality. The fact that Europeans and not others, created a society that developed the scientific method and most of the technological innovations, can be atributed to the fact that they were a society that was taught by the church that the world follows natural laws that human reason is capable of comprehending and that it is a Christian duty to search for the truth, for Jesus is the truth.
The west is collapsing because relativism is being pushed to the point where people can no longer comprehend or accept objective reality. Science and rule by law are impossible to irrational societies, there can be no logic without the logos.

Blogger SweetieSquad37 February 22, 2019 2:02 PM  

This comment might not be seen but Dennis Prager is coming to speak at my university and I was wondering if there would be any good questions to ask him during a Q&A. Sort of like how Vox has questions to ask JP at the end of Jordanetics.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 22, 2019 2:30 PM  

Unknown wrote:

This comment might not be seen but Dennis Prager is coming to speak at my university and I was wondering if there would be any good questions to ask him during a Q&A. Sort of like how Vox has questions to ask JP at the end of Jordanetics.

Ask him: Who is Judeo-Christ? His response, if given at all, would be entertaining.

Blogger Haxo Angmark February 22, 2019 3:40 PM  

"at the Russian Institute..."

it is to laugh:

both Dennis Prager and myself were were members of Zbig Brzezinski's Comparative Communism graduate seminar @ the Columbia University R.I. c. 1972-73.

of 20 or so meetings, Prager attended no more than 2 or 3. The rest of the time he was tootling around the country with a "Holocaust" exhibit.

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